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  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Anonymous discussion page!  Oh how you’ve been missed!  1000 Thanks to Civilian’s “Code Ninja”!

  • Gaijin

    I found this site today while doing research for a memoir project, and I must say I’m very impressed. I’ve been out for over eight years now, and it amazes me that some of these comments still have the power to resonate the way that they do. Once I get a little free time I’d like to register and post some full length articles: everything from the psychological effects of losing personal identity, to American rites of passage, to a healthy dose of personal experience I’m sure.

    Thanks to all my brothers and sister who posted, those of you who haven’t because it’s still too blasphemous, and even those of you who disagree because you are trying to stand up for what you feel is right.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Welcome to the site, I look forward to reading your articles!

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Welcome! And thank you! This will really help the site out and contribute to informing young men and women for years to come.

  • swizzlestik

    Glad this discussion thread is back!

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Me too! 

  • PerfectScapegoat

    The EAS Song

    No doubt many of you have seen this clip, which I believe is recognized as a fitting homage for many thousands of discharged Marines. I’ve been out for about 5 years now, but when this character sings, “. . . and last of all we got one more left it’s the most important one, it’s the EAS . . .” I think of the relief I felt while driving out the front gate with my DD-214. It was almost euphoric. The lyrics are so simple, the song a concise encapsulation of his time in the Corps. There is bullshit everywhere and acronyms for everything. And hiding beneath the veneer of this highly lofted institution are the symptoms of confusion and mediocrity: on-duty Marines sleeping, favoritism, politics, avoiding responsibility, etc. Keep in mind, this young man is not singing about your local mechanic in coveralls finishing a beer when he should be repairing your car- he’s talking about the United States Marine Corps. As always, I am excluding those combat-tested Marines and the ones who have paid the ultimate price. The rest of you (including me) deserve no special recognition for just doing our jobs.  

    Motivators love to say, “Well there’s always a share of both love and hate for the Corps.” Just what part of, “Fuck USMC you can suck my cock” in that song conveys love for the Marine Corps? I personally reserve those sentiments for organizations (and the people in them) for which I harbor no affection. You can even tell your girlfriend, “Fuck you” in an argument, as well as “You can suck my cock” in a different setting when both of you are feeling decadent. But you cannot tell your girlfriend, “Fuck you, you can suck my cock.” She just won’t do it. It’s your way of saying, “I think we’re done” in the most undiplomatic way. But I don’t hate the Marine Corps. I won’t waste my time and energy hating it. My relationship with the USMC is a lot like the estrangement you have for that ex-lover who just isn’t right in the head. You pity and sometimes humor her, you know she (or he, for you ladies) is insane, and you can’t help her. And no matter how many times you explain that her negative traits far outweigh her good ones, she’s still going to believe that she made your life richer and more worthwhile. That’s the fallacy many motivators believe, that somewhere in one of the chambers of our hearts we still love and miss the Corps. So you just have to laugh, shake your head, and stay away. Hate is not healthy. I personally prefer expressing my awe and amazement toward these delusions of grandeur, followed by amusement.

    When you compare the happiness level of your graduation from boot camp to your EAS, you will find that the former is grounded upon a belief system that had no or little substance in the first place. And little by little, you learn that the EGAs woven into your uniforms and pinned to your collars take on a different meaning than when you first coveted them. In the beginning, they were symbolic of being the ultimate badass and the consummate professional. But over time, the environment and the resources at your disposal began to reflect the inadequacy of the training protocol and superficial aesthetic of the Corps. Shall I quote Tyler Durden? “Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.” Likewise strutting, yelling and marching in formation does not make you formidable, tougher, or organized. It only makes you more obedient and susceptible to further indoctrination.  Ultimately, your graduation from basic training pales in comparison to your EAS celebration. This is the case 9 times out of 10.

    Perhaps a Marine and/or poolee (those naive, sorry bastards) will argue that if the USMC mentality failed to take hold, we just “didn’t do it right.” Something went awry. We weren’t Marine material. But being Marine material isn’t prestigious at all. The necessary components for being one are really reduced to two main factors: 1. a healthy body (which isn’t at all reflective of your character), and 2. the willingness to obey (like a child). Anything beyond that is derived from the individual. So this whole misconception that Marines somehow acquire admirable abilities and traits that are otherwise inherent is one of the biggest crocks perpetuating the Marine Corps myth.

    If you’re one of those people who knows that had it not been for the Corps, you would’ve been incarcerated, committing felonies and/or just been an overall ineffectual human being, you’re among that alarmingly growing percentage who truly needs such draconian levels of discipline just to function. The Corps has attempted unsuccessfully to correlate the word “discipline” with the words “practical, useful, and efficient.” In other words, a Marine’s ability to do the right thing, to just be DECENT, requires drug tests, structured exercise sessions, and accountability formations to keep him that way. The definition for excellence in the Marine Corps is synonymous with maintaining the status quo in the private sector. Talk about lowering the bar. Those civilians and [few] Marines that have reached or transcended the standards of excellence do so individually, simply because USMC policy is designed as a blueprint for ordinariness. So without equivocation, there are far more excellent people in the civilian world than there ever were in the Corps. Hands down. No question about it. Aside from them being able to run for long periods of time, Marines work very hard in order to become very average.             

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      I hope you don’t mind that I found this to be so awesome that I decided to post it in the blog and then pimp it out via facebook… :D

      • PerfectScapegoat

        That’s great, thanks!        

    • Madmike19682003

      when you get out of the corps have a plan and goals and stick to them. it’s not all rosy out here but on the bright side you have way more freedom and don’t have to put up with aabuse while being told you can’t fight back. nothing good is gonna come to you, you are gonna have to work hard for it. that being said i tell people if you get a civilian job at any company that mandates 2 things 1)you must have a high school diploma or greater to work here 2)you can’t be a convicted felon and work here, than i guarantee you that you will be working with a vastly superior class of people than what you served with in the corps. see for yourself. what you had in the corps was NOT discipline it was a show of discipline. it takes way more real discipline to go to college and get good grades than it does to be a marine. so get ready,work hard,be smart,always look at the bright side and you will do fine.

      • PerfectScapegoat

        Right on Madmike, especially about the more mature dynamics that exist between superior and subordinate in the private sector. The chain of command exists in every job, but in the USMC there is no option to quit immediately if your boss is incompetent or sadistic.             

      • Cocoabchfungirl

        My son is set to go to Parris Island bootcamp in 25 days.  I just stumbled on this site today. I’m scared to death for him.  He has a college degree; he chose Infantry and got it.  He could have applied as an officer but it would be a year before he could get in.  He is 27, very bright and talented at so many things, but he now feels like this is his calling…to serve and protect. He scored extremely high on the ASVAB and he far surpasses the physical requirements of a recruit.  My brain is spinning. He lost his father to cancer at age 17 and I think it really did a job on his psyche.  When my husband (his stepfather) learned that he was going to be a recruit, his jaw dropped. He is a very successful attorney and tried to talk him out of it and to consider other viable options, it didn’t matter. All of this talk about hazing is infuriating me. What the hell is the truth? 

        • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

          And i thought me enlisting at 21 was a horrible decision, you cant let him throw his life away like this! He is an attorney? Obviously college time and lots of money spent right? He will have no time to retain his skills, to practice, imagine losing all of that. He will be treated like the scum of the earth and because of his age he will be a target for the DIs. His athletic abilities? He will most likely get joint problems within his first year, ive been in a year and a half and my joints are already tormenting me. He will lose a large amount of his strength.

          He has a career, he has a life, he has something guys like me in my platoon dream of. I wish i could go to school like my lying recruiter said i could. I wish i could use the gym like my lying recruiter said i could. I wish my body wasnt already falling apart. I wish i didnt do this to myself or my family.

          He will be kept up for hours on end for nothing more than the amusement of the leadership, he will be treated like dirt. If he enlists he needs to go navy or air force where his skills wont be cast aside and everything he has learned lost, if he goes marine corps, the only way he should go is officer. Enlisted is not worth it. There is no war, the troops in afganistan are sitting in bases and going on patrols getting blown up.

          Dont let him do this to himself, this is my second biggest regret in life, my first? That i stopped going to college.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          First of all, let me say that if you had to pick the one MOS where hazing was absolutely guaranteed it would be infantry.  Being an infantry Private First Class, is worse than being a Recruit.

          I was fortunate in not being infantry, however I trained and deployed with them and got a good taste of their way of life.  The best way that I can describe it is that the infantry Marines feel that they need to be the biggest, baddest, toughest dog in the ring, and for some reason, the marine corps’ idea of “tough” is the Drill Instructor.  So the infantry feel the need to yell and scream and impose ridiculous punishments for imaginary infractions on their junior marines in the same way that a Drill Instructor would, except that, rather than being in a semi-controlled environment, (Ihatedis89′s story being a clear demonstration that rules are only followed when they think they might get caught) infantry Marines take their men out to “the field” where there’s no one else present and they can impose their insane demands on the junior Marines with impunity.

          Furthermore, at age 27, he’s too old to be joining the enlisted side of things.  I realize that 27 is young to the majority of the world, but let me stress to you that 27 is too old for your son to be putting his body through 4 years of the physical stress of the marine corps.  Being an officer is one thing, he can go to the gym, go run, do whatever he needs to do to stay in shape, and then go do a job that doesn’t require as much physical effort.  I can’t stress enough that the enlisted side takes a serious physical toll on your body, and being 27 at the beginning gives him a nasty disadvantage.

          On top of all this, he will be seriously wasting his college degree, and his mental prowess by enlisting.  I myself scored a 93 on the ASVAB, so I can tell you for a fact that being in the enlisted side of the marine corps requires you to effectively “shut off your brain.”  Basically, in order to cope with the demands put upon you, you need to just put on the blinders, don’t think about the ramifications for doing what you’ve been ordered, and just push through and do it.  Those of us who actually stop and think about what we’re doing, and realize that we’re accomplishing very little, tend to end up on this site.

          To summarize, it is my sincere belief that it would be an enormous waste of your son’s intelligence and ambition for him to enlist in the marine corps.  Furthermore, the corps is cutting Lieutenants left and right because the corps is downsizing.  So, while becoming an officer would be an significantly better fit for your son, the marine corps isn’t making that an option.  If your son is truly driven to “serve and protect”, as you put it, I would strongly recommend that he do it as an officer in a branch other than the marine corps.

          I hope that this has been helpful.  If you have any further questions please don’t hesitate to ask.

          Safety and Peace

        • Madmike19682003

          i am on this site not to bash the corps but to make it better. i am also here to try and help people as best as i can,to try and give them a heads up on what the corps is really like and what they will be facing when they hit the fleet(the real marine corps.where you go after boot camp and mos school). i may be at a disadvantage compared to some other marines like ninja punch because while he is still in i got honorably discharged about 20 years back and now have a good civilian job. a lot of what i know is obsolete compared to the younger guys on this site so please bear with me and feel free to get a second opinion. i spent 4 years in the infantry and what ninja punch said is true there is hazing and then there is infantry hazing. a 27 year old man will have a very hard time saluting officers younger than him and getting yelled at by nco’s way younger than him and substantially stupider than him. as for hazing..1)don’t take shit off anyone2)if they won’t do it you don’t do it3)only take orders from people in your chain of command4)don’t loan money or items to anybody..you ain’t getting paid back5)never allow yourself to be hazed,if they threaten you fight back and scream to base legal afterwards6)educate yourself…knowledge is power..learn what marines can do to you and what they can’t.. i’m amazed to this day all the crap they do that is technically illegal. i joined at 19 after a year of college and they looked at me like a one eyed four armed circus freak so your son is in for a shock. most marines do not join primarily to defend america…they join mostly for mercenary reasons so being patriotic can put him at odds with other marines like it did me. the  best advice i can give if  he joins is to do whatever it takes to get commissioned because being a enlisted grunt absolutely sucked for me at least even though i toughed it out in the end.

          • Madmike19682003

            one other thing that also comes to mind is most enlisted marines are very blue collar working class type people. many hate people who in their minds grew up up in nicer neighborhoods and went to better schools. the corps is very class conscious and coming from the upper middle class will put you on a lotta radar screens..and not in a good way. my dad was a doctor and my mother a lawyer and telling the other marines what they did for a living was a mistake that caused me no small amount of grief. i shoulda said they both worked in a car factory or steel mill. he might not want to volunteer his background unless it’s required.

          • Cocoabchfungirl

            Thank you so much.  It’s not too late to turn back for my son, right?  He is not an attorney.  My husband (his stepfather) is an attorney.  I’m not sure who thought on this site that my son was an attorney. Maybe I didn’t word it right.  My son has a degree in recording arts from Full Sail in Orlando,  He has so many gifts, I can’t even begin to tell you how gifted he his. Do you think it was coincidence that this site just “happened” to show up on my google search?  no.  me either.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            “Do you think it was coincidence that this site just “happened” to show up on my google search? no. me either.”

            tears :)

        • Brak

          Your son is goin to get ficked with. Getting woke up at 3 am to DD some dumb senior around town. Lots of picking up trash. Getting yelled at for no reason. Getting snatched for calling a corpral a lance. Getting pinched kicked and having shit thrown at you. Hellish field days. It’s going to suck hard. No one on this site is blowing smoke when they talk about how bad it is…

    • swizzlestik

      Outstanding.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian
  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    I organized my pantry. Very ninja like.  
    Now I can grab any single food item out of my pantry in less than a second. 

    Just an FYI

  • anonymous

    great post from perfectscapegoat! I came across this site and got to reading and Im glad to see there are people who feel similar to the way I do. I’ve been in for a year but realized on the bus to Parris Island that I screwed up, LOL. I can’t wait to EAS. They got me good….I came in expecting the brotherhood that was advertised, boy was I wrong. Getting paid to be turned into a badass seemed pretty enticing, in addition to getting in great shape. Took me about 5 seconds to realize that nobody in this world can push me harder than I can push myself. I run 300 PFT and CFTs but I was in better shape before I joined, go figure. the hypocrisy and politics in this organization are mind boggling. It’s built around hazing. the changes that would have to be made to make this what it’s advertised as would take a life time. 

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Just a heads up to anyone who may be interested, I’m still working on my post on “How to get out of the marine corps”.  Unfortunately at the moment I’m at a stand still as I wait for the date of my final physical and also until I can get my checkout sheet some time next week.  Once that happens you should start seeing some updates again.

    http://ihatetheusmc.com/archives/691

  • Billycraft123

    I was motivated to join the Marine Corps, I was, my dad was a Marine, my uncle a Marine and grandfather also, a Marine.  So I was pretty much motivated as fuck before going to bootcamp, I was thinking like, oh wait until they see me, just wait, it will be the greatest thing ever being a Marine, and I was motivated until i got to Parris island, and realized how much bootcamp sucked and how brutal it was, like everyone else, and after the crucible, I was motto as hell, and was pumped, and it only kind of hit me that week, prior to crucible, on the way to church, I talked to another recruit, thinking, wow, I kind of just endured these past 12 weeks, and really, I kind of want to be a civillian again.  So i realized I satisfied that urge of wanting and being a Marine down in parris island, and I wanted to be a civillian again, until the reality set it, that I was fucking locked in, for the next 6 years of my life….
    Back to what I was saying before, so after the crucible, i was motto as fuck, couldn’t wait to come home and show off to the girlfriend and to all those scumfucks i graduated highschool with.  So I get home on bootleave, half way through, and fucking realize I want to be a civillian again, and I did not want to leave, I realized how fucking awesome the civllian life is, how much I took for granted.  Because In Parris Island I learned everything i needed to learn, I realized you have to a complete piece of shit to not be sucessful inthe civillian world, and hard work is easy, you just gotta fucking do it.  Thats what I got out of the Marine Corps, and thats really all I wanted out of it, I joined becuase i felt i was a screwup who was lazy, i felt I needed a change, an appiphany so to speak, and I got one, and now thats its all said and done, I want out becuase I fufilled and learaned everything I wanted from the Marine Corps when I was in the parris Island, now i just want to live my life and leave the Marine Corps behind, but I can’t and I’m stuck with it the next 6 years of my life.  Okay, so I’m reserve you say, not too bad right?  Wrong.  I have a Sergeant who just came off of active duty, who was only his second drill last month (as it was for me too) and he was basically telling me how much he hated it as well.  Ill tell you why.
    So, I get a taste of civllian life during my month off right?  Well heres why it sucks, because the reserve in a sense, is like teasing an animal, they constantly feel like they’re gonna get the thing they want, but the reality is, they’re not gonna get that fucking dog bone.  ANd that’s the reserve, I’m teased with, ‘oh you can go to school’  ‘oh you can work’, but the reality is every fucking month I have to sacrifice a weekend, and report for this bullshit, how can I accomidate a school scheudale, what if i have a final the monday after the weekend, and with my major, being finance, how can I work as a corporate banker, with crazy hours, and say they need me to come in on a saturday, oh wait, cant cause of reserve, all the reserve does it get your enjoying and becoming comfortable with civillian life making you feel free for a little why, and then all of a sudden the carpet is pulled out from underneath  you, pretty much saying “JK YEAH RIGHT LOLOLOL, YOU’RE MINE THE NEXT 6 YEARS BITCH”.  And thats what makes it suck, it could be a weekend needed for work, vacation, a wedding, nope, gotta sacrifice it.
    So this is my 3rd drill coming up, and I just fucking hate it, a lot of what has to do with it are these power insane, unintelligent douche bags that are your fellow Marines.  Everytime  I go, there are in particular these 2 douche bags I have to put up with, who I went to MOS school with and were such assholes to me, and I thought i’d never have to see them again, but of course they end up at my unit, and they make my life suck, so my entire month I just dread going back to drill, and while I’m there I just feel like shit, and just knowing that this will be my life the 6 years makes me want to get the fuck out, I hate it, it does nothing for me except get in the way of pursuing my civillian career and life with my girlfriend, and it just fucking urks me, living month to month, dreading each month, because of the upcoming drill dates, and just having that in the back of my head, the whole month makes me anxious, depressed and shitty, and knowing that im going to have to put up with this fucking emotional drain for the next 6 years of my life, makes me want to go to drastic measures to get the fuck out, if there is anyway for 6 years to pass quickly, please, someone let me in on it, because i fucking hate the way my life looks right now.

    • Madmike19682003

      maybe drag school out so you graduate when you get out of the reserves that way isn’t does not conflict with your post college career. you can volunteer for active duty deployments and that will earn some brownie points with guys in your reserve unit as well as alter the schedule of when you graduate school and give you a break from the normal routine. and no matter how much it sucks now it is better than active duty. remember you are only a slave 2 days a week while we were slaves 7 days a week. also in my experience reservists are a better class of people on average than active duty jarheads.

      • Madmike19682003

        i mean you are only a slave 2 or 3 days a month plus summer camp.

        • spook

          I just want to point out that after my deployment, the week on either side of drill renders me useless and filled with uncontrollable anxiety and rage.

          Yep, we only lose a weekend!  And you guys only lose 4 years, it doesn’t follow you afterwards!  Oh wait, that’s an asinine way to look at it.
          These are two different lifestyles that manage to have the exact same symptoms because they’re two facets of an extremely broken organization.

    • anonymous

      Do you have any idea what I’d do to have the next 4 years on my contract be as a reservist? I know it sucks, but the things you’re bitching about are trivial compared to what people on active duty might be dealing with. so it’s a slight inconvenience to schedule school/work around it (it absolutely can be done) and 2-3 days out of your month suck. so what, enjoy the fact that you can lead an almost normal life still. the number of days that suck in my month depends on how many days there are in that month. I hear you on “getting what you wanted out of it at boot camp.” thats exactly how I felt. keep your head up

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Dude, I get it man.  While I agree that active duty has it worse just because they have to live it every frickin day, I know quite a few reservists who have some pretty legitimate gripes about their units.  Frankly, from what I’ve been told about weekend drill, it sounds like they squeeze about a weeks worth of bullshit into that one weekend a month.

      So all in all, yeah active duty is probably worse, but I have no doubts that the reserves sucks pretty bad too.

      Safety and Peace

    • Lou

      Just quit! Simply don’t show up for your weekend duties a few times, tell them you don’t want to play anymore and they will let you out of your contract. They’ll tell you all kinds of things are going to happen to you but that’s just to scare you to stay in. They will get the hint after a few times. Good luck Mr. Used to be a Marine…sounds good don’t you think.

      • Egfmark

         Lou, that would be an excellent way to lower or lose your benefits.  A contract is a contract, and no showing isn’t the way to get out.  They WILL catch you one day courtesy of renewing your drivers license. FAFSA, applying for a gun permit, etc.  Suck it up, and do your time honorably like everyone else.  You should also keep in mind that some of the most valuable experiences aren’t always the fun ones.  I sure as hell hated my life while I was in, but I was raised to not go back on your commitments even when you’re faced with adversity.

    • Jizzle1414

      Stop bitchin im active duty wit a five year contract

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        Dude, come on, no need to have a dick measuring contest over who hates their life more.  I’m active duty approaching the end of my 4 years, but that’s not what he’s writing about.  
        What we all need to realize is that it’s not about how many days out of our months are a living hell for us, it’s about the simple fact that any day spent in the marine corps is a living hell.  Whether you’re active duty or reservist, the marine corps will take your will to live, by any means necessary, and infighting about active duty vs reserves gets us nowhere.

    • anonymous

      NINJA PUNCH I wasn’t trying to tell him to fuck off because I or others have it worse by being active. I was trying to get the point across that he’s in a position where he can make the very best of his situation whereas those on active duty really can’t. If I was a reservist there’s no way I’d give the corps the time of day to get on the internet and talk about it. I’d forget it existed 28 days of the month. I know it sucks but make the best of it bro.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

        Dude who cares, let the man say what he wants to say.  This guy came here with a problem that effects his life. Telling him his problem is nothing compared to yours does not get anywhere. It just makes you look like a dick.Let’s try to be helpful instead being ass backwards.

  • Lance For Life

    A good friend and former senior drill instructor was on deck when that happened. That drill instructor had just been left my his wife. Recruits are not the only ones who get stressed out. I dont hate the Marine Corps. I loved it. But 99 percent of what im reading is real as it gets.

    Lance For Life
    2005-2009
    1st. Bn Alpha Co.

  • Fuckthiscorps

    this is the most amazing website i have ever seen. iv been in the marine corps about a year now and can’t wait to get the fuck out. if your a poolie of thinking about it, donttttt do it. if your that set on the military then go air force. you may think you won’t make it in life because you “drink to much and smoke to much weed” well i thought so to. about a month before i left for boot i decided i didn’t want to go but let people talk me back into to. i should have followed my gut and lived a happy life

    • Madmike19682003

      i know it sucks but just do your duty,do the time honorably,hold your head high,do the job better than any motard and get out at your eas. don’t desert or anything stupid like that. the time will also go by faster if you have a hobby. don’t turn to alcohol or drugs to escape the misery,that just makes it worse. hang tough and you’ll do fine.

  • Fart

    Hey motivators, have a question for you.  Do you guys miss that smell.  I mean really miss that sweet smell.  Well, we need the fart dude to come back.  ‘This is my fart, there are many like it but this one is’.  Man I love farts and farting on motivators.  So who wants to come back and fart with me?  And then I can fart on you so hard your chevrons fly off!

  • Jizzle1414

    Iam a lance corporal currently stationed in japan. I have been in for two and a half years. I hate ky life. Any poolees dont do it. Join the air force or the army. I have an ex girlfriend in the army and she loves it. Dont do it. I have a five year contract and im halfway done. I hate my life.

  • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

    My recruiter lied. We are treated as though we are less than human every day, we are disredpected on a personal and professional level every day. We are made to stay outside in the cold for no reason, made to stay up late for no reason. Field day is nothing more than something tedious and annoying they do just to prove they are in charge. This is no brotherhood, my platoonmates would lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead with no regard for anyone else. They will single people out and attack them verbally and constantly for no reason. Cleaning weapons lasts just like field day, you clean until they cant find a speck of dust, and when they find dust 3 hours in they got it out of their own pocket. Even now these children are pelting me with rocks at the rifle range for no reason.

    The marine corps put me in my MOS and didnt even give me the chance to be screened for the MOS I signed for. If there is a possibility to get out of the infantry side or the entire marine corps which wont destroy my future i will find it and take it. Dis honor and discouragement. I have no comittment. The marine corps took all the pride i had and took it from me. I am ashamed every time i wear these cammies. I represent the adulterers, murders, cowards, and weaklings that feed off their rank wearing this dishonorable uniform. The list i have of wrongs, of disrespect, of all the things done to me alone is unacceptable.

    NEVER FI

    • Egfmark

       I doubt your recruiter lied so much as you only paid attention to what you wanted to hear.  I don’t like the Marine Corps, but you are just whining because you were either too stupid or lazy to do any objective research.

      • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

        Wow idiot, i knew what my job i enlisted for was, the job i got i was told i had to volunteer for. I dont get why everyone feels sorry for those lying scumbags. I did my research, i didnt want this job, thats why i didnt pick it.

        • Egfmark

           You wouldn’t take a college recruiter or car salesman at face value, so why would the military be any different?  You didn’t have to sign this particular MOS contract, nor did you have to ship with it.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

             Why are you comparing purchasing a car with enlisting into the military? They are nothing alike! lol are you serious right now?

          • Egfmark

            It all comes down to you shopping for a product.  A car dealer will tell you whatever to get you to buy from them, and once you’re saddled with the obligation it’s difficult as hell to get yourself out of the situation.  The onus is on you to do the research, and verify the claims be it anything from cars to medical treatment.

          • Madmike19682003

            in the civilian world if you sign a contract and the other party screws you than you can sue them. try that in the service. can you imagine treating employees at a civilian company the way marine corps enlisted men are treated? imagine the lawsuits! i did the time honestly but seriously in the contract it says “you will be treated with dignity and respect at all time”..yeah right,what a sick joke. the corps doesen’t live up to it’s hype and that’s what this site is for, it’s to tell people thinking of joining what the corps is really like. you know the stuff that would get a recruiter demoted to the rank below private if he told it to potential recruits.

          • Egfmark

             I agree with you there.  The dignity and respect bit is a bunch of crap.  I’m not passing judgement on your situation, I just get irritated when people harp about how they were lied to when it’s often more that they accepted everything they were told at face value.

          • Madmike19682003

            i tell people the recruiter didn’t lie to me(i got the mos i wanted)it was the marine corps that lied. they said it was a elite unit,that i would get kick ass training and that i would serve with a band of brothers. none of that was really true. plus when i was in the internet wasn’t around so i didn’t have access to the info you did. but finally i also like to point out that i didn’t join…the 18 year old version of me did. a kid who legally couldn’t drink a beer who only knew the marine corps you see in movies and recruiting commercials.

  • Franko

    What a bunch of crying bitches.

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      Well looks like we got a green weenie loving motard troll in here. GTFO, you either have the most skate job you could get or you sucked enough dick to get to a high enough rank or billet that you can skate through that job and make junior marines lives miserable. You cheat on your wife too?

      NEVER FI

      • Franko

        Hahahaha being a marine is to hard For you whiny bitches. God forbid we gave a war with a real power and we got these bitches defending us. But these guys are the bottom 10% of the Corp. Your parents must be so proud.

        • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

          This is the kind of dirtbag that has destroyed what brotherhood the marine corps once was, from the stories ny grandfather tells. Fuckin troll motard

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

          Actually being a Marine is stupidly easy.  Seriously the easiest job I ever had. But also the worst.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          So the people who will actually say something about all of the stupidity are the bitches?  So basically you’re saying that when the marine corps tries to fuck you that you just lay there and take it.  Now who was the bitch in this situation again?

          But no, being a marine isn’t hard, doing almost nothing in garrison or in Afghanistan, (in a combat MOS) is not difficult.  Actually doing nothing except repeatedly wiping down already clean surfaces must be the easiest job in the world.
          Having to put up with the marine corps acting like this constant janitorial work will somehow make us better war-fighters is the hard part.  Maybe if we had a real war, that forced the marine corps to clean up all of the bureaucratic deadwood of garrison life and actually train to fight a war with something other than dust it would be more tolerable.

        • Madmike19682003

          ww2 was won by draftees not volunteers,one term enlistees not lifers and by citizen soldiers who just wanted to win and go home not semen guzzling motards. 38 percent of marines don’t last one year and well over half don’t get out with a honorable but i did as well as most of the others here. it’s not that we couldn’t hack it it’s that we just hated it.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

             Well said brother.

        • Brak

          Your parents must be proud to know their son is a faggot.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Thank you for the announcement. Nobody cares.

  • Henry

    I take my final physical on monday is there any concrete order that says I have to continue PT or BCP???

    • 5150niners

       No. Tell them to go fuck themselves.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      No, it is actually generally discouraged because it will create a considerable hassle for the military if you injure yourself after your final physical.

    • I HATE BOOTS

      YES YOU SHOULD PT YOU FAT ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Brak

        Fucking drill instructor Sgt. Cock sucker here. How bout you chill?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      One thing I should mention, per the order (Link below) you can still be required to run your final PFT/CFT after you’ve completed your final physical.  So they do have you in that respect.

      http://navyrotc.berkeley.edu/docs/MCO6100.pdf

  • I HATE BOOTS

    I HATE YOU BOOTS CRYING ABOUT EVERYTHING. GO TO THE CHOW HALL GET A STRAW AND SUCK IT THE  FUCK UP… YOU COCK LOVING FAGS YOU’RE SO LUCKY THAT IM NOT YOUR LEADERSHIP I WOULD HAZE THE FUCK OUT OF YOU.. I HOPE YOU ALL DIE

    RS
    YO MOMMA

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Thank you so much for this prime example of marine corps thinking!  Some select people join the marine corps, and don’t buy into the lies that it hands out to the public, then when someone senior to them finds out that these people hold these views, you get the above comment.  To sum up: “You should all just deal with it, but since you’re not going to, I’m going to haze the living hell out of you, and hopefully you die.”  And this is what the marine corps calls “Leadership”.

      Oh, and “I hate boots”, just so you know, even if you were in my chain of command, look it up some time, and you’ll find out that you still don’t rate the term “Leadership”.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

         Yeah this guy is a total rock.

      • Cocoabchfungirl

        what? omg.  I hear you.

    • Madmike19682003

      more than a few of us have way more time in the moron corps than you. and some are out as civilians so suck on that.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      Being that I have been a civilian for a year and a half now, I find the whole “boot” comment hilarious.
      I have not been called a boot in… I don’t know, lets say 4 years?

      4 years active duty 0811, countless artillery field ops, combat deployment to Iraq in 07, honorable discharge.

      Now go home and tell your parents how you killed 50 Taliban and shot Osama Bin Laden, you pansy lol.

    • Kevinbrakhage

      Ten bucks says this guy is a motarded POG lifer.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    A nice little something to lighten the mood:

    I would rather ________ than reenlist.

    Ready, go!

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Pay one million dollars.

    • Brak

      Nail my dick to a table

  • SEMPER HUH?

    I HATE BOOTS why don’t you shut the fuck up! I hate brain washed morons like you who are so dumb that they can’t think for yourselfs.  It’s your kind of thinking that is screwing up this Corps of mine.  Why don’t you read your Marine Corps principles and traits and if you don’t understand then maybe I can explain them to you.  YES there are some winers on this site but maybe you need to also read the MCMP and look up the word empathy. Anothers words quit thinking with your balls all the time and try thinking thinking with your brain every once in a while.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    ‎1. When you work hard at something you become good at it.

    2. When you become good at doing something, you will enjoy it more.

    3. When you enjoy doing something, there is a very good chance you will become passionate or more passionate about it

    4. When you are good at something, passionate and work even harder to excel and be the best at it, good things happen.

    Don’t follow your passions, follow your effort. It will lead you to your passions and to success, however you define it.

  • Djj_252

    Should we as men submit to something even if we truly believe that it is wrong? I understand I took an oath and signed a contract but I was under the assumption it was to defend the people I love in this country. To fight terrorism. To make. Difference in the world. The only war I fight is against germs. The only person I defend is myself against the waves of insults and belittling gestures. Like letting you spit in face, literaly at times, and still having to respect you based solely on what you wear on your collar. I am not what is on my collar.

    • Cocoabchfungirl

      That is so wrong….if someone spit in my son’s face, I would jump through the Universe and take him out.  I’m so sorry and I’m very proud of you. I don’t want my son to join now.

      • Cocoabchfungirl

        The power of God is with you. And with us.  :-)

  • Fuckilluminati

    INFOWARS.com

  • Just Another Stupid Boot

    FML!

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    More info on the guy who slaughtered all those Afghans not too long ago. His name is 
    Staff Sgt. Robert Bales   - 
    http://tinyurl.com/6pzgrsq

  • Pooli

    Hey Guys, I’m right around the corner from my ship date. What’s a boot? 

    • Chase2allen

      You.

      • Pooli

        When does the “boot” stage fade away?

        • Madmike19682003

          whenever you start fighting back and stop falling for all the stupid practical jokes the marines who are senior to you will try to pull. also whenever a group of marines newer than you arrive at the unit.

          • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

            They may not hit on it but its not too late to pull the plug. Tell your lying recruiter to piss off and go with the air force or navy. They have funding, educational opportunities, the possibility of a family if youre in for the long term, youll get treated like a human, and you may get to experience common sense. In the marine corps its nothing but drinking, hazing, adultery, lying, and childish games.

            Today our platoon got a nice little haze PT cause an NCO couldnt keep accountability of his weapons and gear, so they turned around and blamed us, making the platoon do this haze pt when we should have been off, then went and lied to us saying it was supposed to be a “squad pt” first one in weeks?

            The marine corps is not worth it, if you do decide you want to experience this hell, make sure you know you can get out within…. i think its your first 180 days, you can leave at any time during boot camp, WITHOUT REPERCUSSIONS. Ive heard of contracts with less time like 2 years where you arent trapped into the four or five.

            Talk to the air force and navy, find out about potential careers, find out about college, you are not trapped in the marine corps yet like i mistakenly thought a week before boot camp. Do it for yourself and any future you may dream of having.

          • Pooli

            Wait, so I can leave boot camp whenever I want, within the 180 day period?

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            Yes, but they will not make it easy.  You will have to have a pair of balls and just realize that all those men that yell are just that. Men that tell.  You can tell them to go fuck off, you quit, at any time.

            Recruiters need to tell recruits this kind of stuff. 

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Yes, it’s called an Entry-Level Separation.  You should also know that it doesn’t negatively affect you after you leave (except it may be harder for you to join another branch).  But in the civilian world it basically equates to “He signed up, he gave it a shot, and it turned out he wasn’t a good fit for our institution, so we let him go.”

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            Not to mention that you do not have to ever tell an employer that you ever served in the military. Or even that you gave bootcamp a try.  

            Basically, don’t put that you quit bootcamp on a resume.

          • Pooli

            I just finished watching revolver. Are you trying to say most people who are in the USMC do it because there egos are constantly hungry>? They want to prove a point? 

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Basically, yes.  A lot of them need that “pride of belonging” because they don’t have any pride in themselves.  So once the marine corps gives them a fancy uniform and a rank to wear to make them feel important, they’ll then go to any lengths to make sure everyone is aware of just how important the institution that gave them that rank and uniform is.  

            Simply put, they base their entire sense of self-worth on the fact that they belong to the marine corps.  So if they stopped constantly stressing the importance of the institution, and how noble and honorable it is to be a part of it, then they would lose their entire sense of self-confidence, and their entire ego would collapse.  So they will turn the blind eye to any sins the institution may commit, in favor of maintaining their own ego, and their own sense of self-importance.

          • Pooli

            Does it apply to reservists as well?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            I’m not sure about reservists, but I can’t imagine that it wouldn’t.  I mean, they have new guys too.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

           Madmike covered it pretty well so I will just explain my boot experience. 

          I did not really get treated like a boot until I hit the fleet. Everything before that was just training stuffs.

          When myself and 10 other “boots” arrived at my unit everyone started cheering and making remarks about fuck fuck games after work was over.  Fortunately I had a pretty cool Lance Corporal as a roommate and he was not a “boot”, he was “salty”.  He did not want any ruckus going on in his room so he told everyone to leave me alone.  He gave me the lowdown on the MC and told me about all the bullshit I was going to get to be a part of for the next 3 and a half years.
           He then forced me to drink a whole bottle of liquor with him. I had never really drank before then, so I puked my brains out for the rest of the night. 

          So that was my first day in the fleet. No bruises or anything, just a lot of forced binge drinking.

          Anytime I left my room after that night, I got fucked with by someone senior to me.
          Getting fucked with usually entails cleaning, but there is always some new way of fucking with someone that they come up with. Sometimes it can become violent, but when that happens, fight like you have never fought before.  Don’t let anyone put their fucking hands on you, I never did. And it usually gets them to back the fuck off.

          Eventually I deployed to Iraq and I was still a boot.  I had to do all the shit work and got all the shit equipment.  In my unit, they always said that if it is your first time in country, you are going to be a gunner a lot.  Being a gunner sucks because it is boring, uncomfortable, hot, and scary.  They make you watch all those videos of Marines getting popped in the head by a sniper, and that makes being a gunner much more frightening, but also less complacent.

          After enduring what seemed like a lifetime in Iraq. I came back to the states and was magically not considered a boot anymore and got respect from all the guys that used to fuck with me.  To be honest that was one of the best feelings i ever had in the Marines.  Graduating bootcamp felt pretty good. But over time I realized that bootcamp was a sinch and no bit deal.  It was gaining the respect of my peers that I value as my most emotional experience in the MC.  Besides getting cheated on while in Iraq by a former fiance.

          When I was not a boot anymore, we got in like 25 new guys.  I did the same thing to them that happened to me, and I loved it.  But then I realized that that was part of the cause of a lot of the unnecessary bullshit in the MC. People get a big head after they accomplish something in the MC and gain some respect and then they mistreat others. 

          Most people cannot come to that realization and stop fucking with other Marines. 

          The few that have, are on this website trying to help people.

          Thanks for the opportunity to write this, it felt good to say it.

          Please consider all options before deciding to join the Marines.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Yeah Civilian Pretty much hit the nail on the head.  I wouldn’t recommend joining to you, in fact I would advise quite the opposite.  

            However if you still decide to join, pay attention to all of the stuff that you feel is pointless and isn’t doing anything to help you.  I’ve watched plenty of people pick up a rank, or go on a deployment, and then all of a sudden forget that they were ever the junior guy.When you get to be that more senior guy help out the junior guys any way that you can.  The people who are senior to you will most likely hate you for it, but just because they don’t like it doesn’t mean that it’s wrong.

            Safety and Peace

          • Cocoabchfungirl

            The fact that he forced you to drink was bullshit.  Are you kidding me!!?? My son is not even in bootcamp yet.  Holy shit.

          • Cocoabchfungirl

            I don’t like this.  Thank you for being so honest.

          • Egfmark

             Getting boots trashed until they’re sick is a common ‘initiation’ tactic.  I will say I never saw anyone (myself included) endangered, it was just unpleasant.

    • Tamili

       New guys who get mistreated.

      • Cocoabchfungirl

        WHY do they get mistreated?

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          They get mistreated because they just spent 3 months in boot camp, learning that they are the very bottom of the totem pole, and that they have no choice but to obey every order that’s given to them.  So for most the temptation to abuse that power that the senior marines feel they have by virtue of their seniority is too much for them.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    It turns out that the Soldier that murdered 16 Afghan people joined the Army to get away from a million dollar judgement against him. http://news.yahoo.com/afghan-murder-suspect-bales-took-life-savings-says-223934030–abc-news.html

    • Madmike19682003

      it seems in my experience that pretty much every marine i served with who joined as a active duty enlisted man in his late twenties was a loser who totally failed at life up to that point. when i heard he joined at 27 years old i said to myself “well that explains a lot”. every good person i met who joined at that age was either a officer or a reservist. of course i was in before the war on terror so a few good men might have joined during ww2 or something but i never met  someone who joined at that age that i respected.

      • Cocoabchfungirl

        Please tell me more.  My son is 27.  I am so concerned.  He could’ve waited to be an officer, but he is so naive (I think) because he wanted to be a grunt first…so he could.  whatever.  I don’t understand his brain. He is so smart and he can do so much with his life.  Have you ever heard of “crystal child”??  …I feel like he is doing this because he is destined to be a warrior and protector….in the future.

        • ihateDIs89

          M’am,   PLEASE read my story here: http://ihatetheusmc.com/archives/614 

          My allegations are currently being investigated by the Commandant of the Marine Corps, The Secretary of the Navy and the Inspector General.

          My story is the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God.

        • SuzyQ

          I understand this mentality. He believes that he is destined to make a difference, do something great with his life. The Marine Corps convinces people that they embody “honor, courage, commitment” so your son thinks that this is the best place for him. 

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian
  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    Humanoid Robots are getting drafted into the military.  What say you?
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57401144-1/firefighting-humanoid-robot-gets-drafted-into-the-navy/

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I’m not gonna lie, that’s pretty frickin’ sweet.  However I doubt that they’ll actually have them on ship by the end of next year.  The military loves to raise it’s own hopes like that.

  • Notevenmad

    Can a snco force u to do a specific type of pt, when his lazy ass won’t even show up for any sessions?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      It kind of depends, because there is the whole “following a lawful order” bs that you have to abide by.  However there are some exceptions.  Gas Mask PT for example is strictly forbidden.  Being ordered to do a gas mask run is considered hazing and should be immediately reported. But other than that, there’s a lot of gray area, it’s possible that since he’s not performing the exercises that he’s ordering for you to perform, that he could also face hazing charges for attempting to I.T. his Marines.

      In case you’d like some further reading, here’s the order: http://navyrotc.berkeley.edu/docs/MCO6100.pdf

      I hope this is somewhat helpful.

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      As far as i know, if you alone are doing it then it is most definitely hazing. However for a group thing, id go with the first comment.

  • shitbag

    I’m the guy who doesn’t like to get pushed around. I’m the guy that likes to stand for what he believes in. I’m the guy that doesn’t follow the crowd. I’m the guy that has morals, that believes belittling someone is not only wrong, but is an example of horrible leadership. I’m a shit bag.

    Yesterday, a fellow Lance Corporal of mine, and a very good friend, caught his rifle on his trouser pocket during the middle of drill and ended up dropping it. Of course, every person there went straight to drill instructor mode after seeing it. “Push, bitch! Push!!” “Follow it.” “Oh good mother fucker. Just drop your fuckin rifle, too,” as if he meant to do it on purpose. So today, our dumb ass SNCOIC decided it would be a great idea for him to carry one of those rubber rifles around all day to “make sure he can properly handle a rifle like a man.” As soon as I saw this, I went up to my buddy and mentioned that he should probably say something considering this could very well be a case of hazing. He didn’t think he should bring it up because of the ramifications that that particular word would bring up. I decided if he wasn’t gonna bring it up then I was gonna help out a friend and talk to his Corporal, which by the way is an easy going person. She listened to me and was unsure if she should bring it up, mainly because she doesn’t have a set of kohonas (spell chk). If she wasn’t gonna do anything then I was gonna go to a buddy of mine that was just recently promoted to Corporal (Notice I’m going to nobody at all in my immediate chain of command). He believed the same thing I did about the lance and decided to go talk to his NCOs, something I wish I could do only this whole rank thing was the difference in me being a child and an adult. As good of a lance as I am, I of course eavesdropped on them. His Sgt went on saying that he believed that he was being hazed as well but was gonna wait until the next work day to say something, which makes no sense to me at all. He also went on saying that what he was afraid of was that if it was in fact brought up to their SNCO that he would find some loophole sayin that it was “extra military instruction.” So nothing came of that until about 20 mins later. I passed his SNCO in the hall and he stopped me and proceded to call me every name in the book because I am getting the idea of hazing in the head of his Lance Corporal. He then asked me if I even knew the order on hazing. Of course I told him the correct order, which in essence caught him off guard. Once he gathered himself, he then went on asking how I knew it and I told him that I looked it up earlier on my phone. He took that and ran with it, saying that I never do anything at all but play on my phone yadda yadda yadda. I knew I had him beat and it felt great. He then told me that I need to go check out a rifle at supply as well (notice he didn’t say what I needed it for, though we all knew). Of course I did cause it was a lawful order to check it out. I couldn’t wait to get back to the shop so the second he told me that I needed to carry it around all day, I could request mast on his ass in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I really didn’t see him the rest of the day, considering at this point it was closing time. 

    Moral of the story, don’t be afraid of standing up to some washed up, stick-in-their-ass SNCO’s because they might yell at you. If you believe that you are in the right and they are in the wrong, go for it. The way I looked at it, if for some reason this were to back fire on me, it wouldn’t phase me for two reasons: 1) He had way more to lose than I did and 2) I’m not making the same mistake twice. Remember, friends don’t let friends reenlist.

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      Awesome post, im the same kind of shitbag, fortunately for me, my whole platoon gives the chain of command just as much shit as they give us hahaha

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      This is a great post! I am going to add it to our stories section to see if we can get people talking about this.  Really man, great post!

      http://ihatetheusmc.com/archives/840 

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    I know the Onion is fake news, but at the same time this is eerily accurate.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/marine-never-knew-what-freedom-was-until-he-left-t,1413/

  • shitbag

    When we assumed the Soldier, we did not lay aside the Citizen.- George Washington

  • ScarheadtheJarhead

    Well shit, I don’t know if this is the place to put this or not, but I’ve gotta get it out somewhere, might as well be here right? I joined this disgusting disorganization around a year ago. I was a stupid, motivated(aka retarded) and signed my life away to the corps for the next 6 years of my life. Yes I’m a reservist. I was motivated and ready to serve my country. So far, I haven’t done jack shit. I would hardly call any “Training ops” we do credible. We go to a camp in the middle of Cali, set up tents, and patrol them for two to three days. Yeah, way to serve and protect right? What a waste of taxpayers hard earned dollars! Hell, I haven’t been paid for this bullshit for the last three months, and when i DO get paid, It’s a VERY small amount! It takes me three hours to get to my unit, so I have to fill up my tank twice to get there and back, which takes up all of my drill pay anyways. This last October, right before the Marine corps ball, they asked us who was planning on not going. I raised my hand, explaining that I had no money to go ( i was borrowing money from my dad at that point just to GET to drill) and also had an important interview that I had to go to that could not be rescheduled. They said that was all good to go and what not. Then, the next time I see them at drill, my Ssgt starts spewing all this shit about how I HAVE to go, that it’s required and that I never told him shit about not going. Well I tried to be tactful and explain to him that this was already resolved during last drill, but he wasn’t having any of it. So I got to spend the whole drill being called a shitbag marine, getting extra pt, rifle duty, etc, all because I didn’t have a job and couldn’t afford to go to this stupid ball. Then when we’re all in formation, he starts telling the platoon that he doesn’t care if we’re underage, EVERYONE ill drink at the ball, and have sex. Well I was the only person who raised my hand and said. “Excuse me Ssgt, but I respectfully refuse to partake in either of those activities.” Well apparently standing up for your morals is a huge no no in the corps, as I was once again screamed at like I was a recruit, given extra duty, and was mistreated for talking back to an SNCOIC. This is only the start though ladies and gents. Ever since I’ve been in the corps, I’ve developed chronic depression and anxiety disorder. I’ve NEVER had these symptoms before last year! I went to my doc and am still currently getting help for them both. My unit doc has been helpful, taking me to a military health facility to get checked on and such. But this is the part where I have some questions for anyone who’s ever been in a similar situation. If I do get discharged, what kind of discharge will I get? I’ve been reading up some and from what I can gather, If i get a medical discharge for psychiatric problems, that’s a kiss goodbye to ever getting a job in the civilian world, as well as not allowing me to purchase weapons ever again. (I do love my guns) Is there a way out of this? I’m getting pretty deseperate at this point.

    • Madmike19682003

      i say if you refuse to obey a order they have no moral authority to give you and they complain or retaliate than file charges. how can they make you drink or go to the ball? i did 4 years ACTIVE and i flat out refused to go to a single ball my entire enlistment. i dared them to do something about it and they never did. that being said no offense but how can being a reservist be so tough? you only have to put up with the dumb shit for 2 days at a stretch once a month.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

        Just because he is a “reservist Marine” does not mean that his problem is not a problem.  Please stop picking on the reservists. This defeats the purpose of the site. I want this to be a place that is open for everyone.

        • Madmike19682003

          i am not picking on reservists i just question relative to active marines how hard can reserve duty be? but i appreciate his commuting problem even though he shoulda seen that coming when he joined. maybe he could transfer to a closer unit to home i dunno.

      • ScarheadtheJarhead

         I’m not saying that it’s so terribly hard to go put up with bs for one weekend a month, but the amount of crap they’ve been putting on me has been ridiculous. There’s very little to no communication whatsoever, so if a decision is made, it isn’t passed down the chain, and every e-3 and below gets screwed over because the higher ups don’t want to pass word. And they CAN’T make me do anything unlawful, which is why I stood up and said hell no. Also, to add insult to injury, any package or paperwork I have tried to put through never has, it stops completely or “gets lost.” I get txt messages all the time changing things around like orders, times, dates and such and it’s just a gigantic gaggle fuck when the time comes to “train.”

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Damn… First of all let me tell you that this is a great place for you to make this post, plenty of people have come to this site to share their stories and ask questions or advice.  I’m not entirely sure about what your options are at this point (I’ve never been in a situation like this), however I’ll try to do some research and see what I can find for you.

      Safety and Peace

      • ScarheadtheJarhead

         Thank you for anything you can gather, it would be much appreciated!

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Alright, I have a few options for you… Granted a few of them are just grasping at straws so bear with me…

          Before we begin, the source for my info is MCO P1900.16F (http://www.woundedwarriorregiment.org/documents/MCOP190016FWCH12.pdf) so please feel free to double check my work.

          My best idea would be to try to be discharged under Paragraph 6203 of MCO P1900.16F.  In particular you could try for the “Condition not a Disability”, or the “Personality Disorder” sections.  I know you’ve already mentioned that the possibility of getting a medical discharge for psychiatric problems is a major concern of yours.  However, per the order “If separation can be based on another basis, including another basis under Convenience of the Government, misconduct, or unsatisfactory performance, use one of those bases in spite of the existence of personality disorder.” So it would appear that your chances of your discharge being based on your current mental problems is somewhat small (or it would look like that on paper anyways).It’s also possible that you could attempt to get Conscientious Objector status (kind of grasping at straws here, but it could work).  To do this you will need to meet the qualifications of MCO 1306.16E (http://objector.org/files/35627366.pdf ).  If you do decide to go that route, I would recommend telling them that you recently read the book “The Kingdom of God is Within You” by Leo Tolstoy (the text can be found online at: http://www.online-literature.com/tolstoy/kingdom-of-god/0/ ), and have decided that it is strictly against the teachings of Christ to serve in the military.  (Like I said, kind of grasping at straws, but if you can play the part unwaveringly, it could possibly work for you.)Finally, as a last ditch effort, you could try for a “Hardship Discharge” Per Paragraph 6407 of MCO P1900.16F.  Although, when I read that portion, it seems like it’s referring primarily to financial hardships.  But if you’re to this point then what do you really have to lose?

          Furthermore, I just want you to know that I’m not admin, or legal or any kind of MOS that routinely deals with paperwork, so I’m not making any promises to you regarding my answers, hopefully someone who is a bit more knowledgeable than I am in this respect will be able to help you further.  If you have any more questions please feel free to ask, I may not be an expert, but I’ll do my level best to get some info for you.

          Safety and Peace

          • ScarheadtheJarhead

             Thank you for all the information! I’m not sure if I can afford one right now, but I’ve also thought about consulting a lawyer to help me if I get screwed in the process.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            Your question has been posted on the sites blog as well. http://ihatetheusmc.com/archives/842

          • Jared

            I’ve been stationed at a reserve unit for the past 7 years. 5 of them active the others reserve. You can MOST DEFINITELY get an administrative discharge that will not go against any record that will prevent you from getting a job in the future. I have seen this done personally buy several reservists at our unit. Some of them did it because they lost money coming to drill and others did it because they just didn’t want to deal with the MC anymore. Either way, it is possible. I am sure you will get a lot of shit and push back from the senior enlisted for doing it, but if you press the issue and put your foot down, you can get out. 

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            Getting administratively discharged will most likely cause you to lose all post enlisted benefits. Getting an admin separation is not the answer to your problems.

  • Guest

    Civillian, you know the quote “the harder the battle, the sweeter the victory”? Was that what it was like when your enlistment finished?

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      Honestly I have never heard of that quote before and I did a quick google search and came up with nothing.  Due t this, I am unable to answer your question.

  • shitbag

    Anyone here know the easiest way to claim disability out of the Marine Corps without actually being disabled? Figured I’d get what I can since they got everything else these 5 years.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      My best advice is to drop that thought entirely. If you were to try that and get busted, it would be far worse for you than the MC ever has been.  What I would do is think long and hard of every little tiny thing that you think could be considered something “disability worthy”.  You can claim all kinds of things, even scars. If you have anything wrong with you, ANYTHING that was not recorded when you joined, it is considered service related.  Claim everything you can think of. This is not only your best chance, but the most honorable one.

      When you get disability, you get it every month until you die.  If you were getting paid all that money because of a lie (stealing hard earned tax dollars from the people), that is one of the most unpatriotic things that you could do. At least imo.

      I please ask that no one give advice on how to “cheat disability” because that is not what this site is about. 

      Shitbag, I am glad you asked this question though, because honestly, it probably crosses a lot of Marines minds, and it gave me a chance to address it appropriately so other people can read and know this as well.  Sorry that we cannot help you any further with this.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Saw this facebook ad, and just couldn’t help but laugh at the irony of it.

  • 0621

    Marine Corps was allright did eight years before I got out. Just got tired of all the bs yeah I sucked it up doing duty when I wasnt scheduled for it, although if I ever went UA for duty or showed up late for formation I would prob be bitched at and busted down.  To many nco’s not doing a thing when they heavily outnumbered the new guys and btw when I picked up nco I worked not just “supervising.”  Remembered one time our unit had an alphas inspection done everything when I was sick and passed with no problem but our nco’s were all jacked up, so the next day on a saturday we had another inspection just the non-ncos because heaven forbid another snco told our ssgt his boys were fucked up.
     
      Dont know how many times I was passed by for promotion for some bs like lack of leadership when I was a corporal working under two sergeants a snco and officer even when noone had to tell me what to do and within weight requirements.  Even then when I was passed over for alot of stuff like my first unit, my nco’s said I dont know nothing but I have had air officers and even the unit Sgt Maj and Colonel wanting me to work for them because I did my job.  Btw I was a radio operator which means I had to do my job plus do the grunt stuff as well but when I got out of the field I was cleaning equipment all night while everyone was off by three or four in the afternoon going out or chilling playing games.
     
      Final kicker for me to get out was to many damn lifers (lazy ignorant fucks expecting retirement) in my last unit, I was in charge of a section until we got some bi-polar cook that somehow made sgt couldnt pass the tests in other units to work in those jobs since he couldnt do his MOS, so we got stuck with him to be manual labour if we needed him.  Eventually I try to get him to do something he whines alot and tries to act like my boss then goes crying to our gysgt that he is in charge and I disobeyed him, even when the gysgt said I made the decisions and I was supposed to tell him what to do the day he got there.  Likely to say since my gysgt and his top heavy brothas was afraid to make waves I barely dodged a court martial for failure to obey a direct order and assault, because  he was bi-polar he liked to jump in your face spitting and crap so I put my hand out to stop him.

      All I can say is if you want to go into the MC go ahead its for some people and isnt great for others, I have no problem with authority but when the hypocrits in charge bitch at you for no reason because they got in trouble or tell you to shut up and tough it out even tho they are sliming through the system its better to be a civilian so you can look into finding another job and quit your old one and leave before they screw up your life.

  • Guest

    What’s the best way of getting out if my ship ate is in one week?

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Tell them that you changed your mind.  That’s it! They will tell you that it is too late, but that is an absolute 100% BIG FAT LIE!!!!!!  You can even leave bootcamp if you wanted to. Zero repercussions. 

      If you decide to do this, please keep us updated on the situation. 

      • Guest

        what if i just don’t go?

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

           I am not sure about that one. I would really recommend telling them that you are no longer interested. You refuse to go no matter what. They only way they can make you go is if they tie you up and drag you.  That should get your point across.  If you have parents that can help, you should tell them what your thoughts are about this. Maybe you can show them this site so they can get an idea of WHY you do not want to go, maybe they can help you.

          But just not going is a really really really bad idea. 

          • Guest

            I have a feeling i’m going to be threatened…

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            Don’t you think that is a much better price to pay? A threat is just words, there is nothing they can do except say words.  They cannot effect your quality of life AT ALL.

            Only if you decide to go or just ignore it.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            I am reaching out to as many people as I can right now to get you some of the best advice you can possibly get, period.  Please hang out or check back often to see what else has been posted.  Thank you so much for taking the time to seek help from us, it is what we are here for.

          • Guest

            thanks

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            Of course man!  This is the whole purpose for the existence of this site.  People like you with the questions they have are what keeps this site up and running.  People like you are the life of this site, and it sure does make me feel fucking good to help people out FOR FREE.  This site has been been helping people for two years now and has not made a single penny. I am on track to keep it that way.

            This site is 100% at your service and disposal.

          • Jesus

            Don’t show up.  

            You win.

      • lvestobwyked

        I dont know about that one…. I seriously dont think that you can leave boot camp any time you want….

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          You can, Ihatedis89 did it quite admirably.  All you have to do is steadfastly refuse to train.  You may not get to leave on your own time table (they have to do the paperwork to process you out) but they will let you go.

    • Liv2ridezzr6

      Hey man they can’t threaten u if they do tell them u want to speak to his OIC in person push it up as high as u can tell them you have changed your mind and it shouldnt be that big of a deal because they are down sizing.

    • Liv2ridezzr6

      Also my Ssgt just come from being a recruiter I will ask him. He is pretty chill and won’t lie to me

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

        Thank you so much!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Alright, here’s what I have for you, 

      For starters, DoD Directive 1332.14 (http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/133214p.pdf ) Page 17 has the process for being discharged from the DEP, so it can be done, and it appears that it is DoD policy to allow these separations.

      Furthermore, this link: http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/joiningup/a/dep.htm has states that, while technically, legal action could be taken for someone who decides not to follow through with a military contract, it has not been done in AT LEAST the past 27 years.

      I would strongly recommend calling your recruiter, telling him you’re no longer interested.  At this point, he’s either gonna get upset with you, he’s gonna try to tell you that you it’s not possible, or he’s going to spill some candy-coated vision of how awesome the marine corps is.  If he gets mad, who cares, there are greater problems in the world than if one recruiter is mad at you.  If he says it’s not possible, call him out and tell him that DoD Directive 1332.14 says that it is possible (if you do your homework, a recruiter can’t lie to you).  And if he tries to paint a pretty picture of the marine corps to motivate you, don’t buy in.

      You CAN be excused from your contract, so as soon as you contact your recruiter, I would recommend that you refuse to ship out for boot camp on the grounds that you now have a pending request for discharge.

      I’ll continue to look into this and if I find anything more solid I’ll be sure to let you know

      Safety and Peace

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        To elaborate on the DoD Directive, it seems like Page 17 has the instructions for if the military wants to void your contract, however it also states that you can be separated “Upon his or her request” so once again contact your recruiter and tell him that you’re requesting discharge from the DEP in accordance with DoD Directive 1332.14.  You’ll blow his mind.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

           Ninja, as always, you are the fuckin man. Thanks!!!

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Well thank you kindly my good sir! It’s a pleasure!

    • anonymous

      tell him you changed your mind and cite the article ninja punch posted. if he bitches tell him to pound sand, LOL.

    • Brettwood71

      Walk into your recruiters office and tell them you want out…thats all you have to do…in 30 days you’ll get a discharge letter in the mail and that will be that…If at a later date you wish to enlist you will not be able too because you will be black listed but you’ve thought about it that far ahead i’m sure…

  • Anon

    Look coming from a guy who has been through the process and shipped to basic and was let go due to an injury, You have 180 days from the time you sign your active duty contract to get out, if you want out you can do a couple of things.  Go down to your recruiting station and tell them you changed your mind, be prepared for some bullshit lies about how you will go to jail, how you signed up and there is no backing out and also some shit they are going to give you about how you are less of a man or what not. Remember recruiters have quotas to meet and they WILL say anything to get you to ship to bct even if its a blatant lie. Now option two is just simply don’t ship, don’t go to meps on ship day, don’t answer any calls from them and  just all together disappear for a little while, they will void your contract and you are done. Just remember that if you do NOT ship nothing bad will happen to you but you may have trouble rejoining if you change your mind later, the government is more and more using us who volunteer to defend their friend and family from the evils in the world as toys that they can throw in any country and have killed off at a whim. I chose to join for my own reasons but was let go. If you do not want to go and fight and or willing to die in some country then do NOT ship.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Thank you so much

  • Carlitovtec

    im a poole, after reading all this shit all i have to say is wow..insane. my mos will be 3521 as a reservist. i was told i could switch to active duity once i get to my reserve station. probly a lie now that i read all this….

    • Madmike19682003

      you can volunteer for deeployments and i know 1 guy(combat engineer) who was a reservist who didn’t like it and went active but i was told it took a lotta paperwork.

      • Carlitovtec

        is the corps really that bad? my sister and brother are both in but ive never heard stories like the ones i just read. for some reason tho (ignorance i guess you can say) i still want this. it has been my dream to be a Marine since i was a sophmore in high school.

        • GreenDazzle86

           It is fucking bad. Don’t do it.

          • Carlitovtec

            are you still in?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            I’m still in for a couple of months yet.

          • Carlitovtec

            so do you regret it?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            In a sense.  My time in the marine corps, and especially my Afghanistan deployment allowed me to help support my family when my father lost his job.  Had I not been in the military I probably wouldn’t have been in a financial position to do that, so from a purely financial aspect I’m grateful.

            But I hate what I’ve gone through, and what I’ve done to earn that money, I’m not proud of what I’ve done, and if I had a chance to go back, all things considered I wouldn’t do it over again, I’m not sure what I would’ve done with regards to supporting my family, but I’m sure I would’ve figured something out.

            If you’re interested, you can read my story here: http://www.fleetmarinelife.com/?p=589

            Safety and Peace

          • Carlitovtec

            dude youre the man. thank you for your service. i look up to guys like you. ima read up on your story.

        • Uhwhat?

           Everything that is being said here is pretty damn true.  Sure there are a couple of woosies here and there, but for the most part, real life every day Marine Corps stuff

          • Carlitovtec

            you still in?

        • Madmike19682003

          most people hate it when they are in but a few people like it. different strokes for different folks i guess. many of the things people complain on this site are dead right. the training is not nearly as good as the corps claims unless your special forces. most of the marines you serve with you will not get along with and you will serve with some total morons in most units. the corps is obsessed with it’s appearance to the point everything else is irrelevant. the way things look are way more important than how they work. most people find the corps a very depressing soul killing place and the turnover is very high. 38 percent of marines don’t last one year though a lot of them don’t belong in the service. the average marine has a 5 year career,the average soldier 7 years,for the navy it’s 8 and air force it’s 9. that should tell you something. a few years ago i saw a report that had the marines list 1,500 deserters. and how many did the air force have???????the answer is 15! the AF had 1/100th the deserters despite being a bigger branch. what makes the corps suck is not higher standards or tougher training but how poorly marines are treated by the chain of command and your fellow marines. the hazing for a new guy especially in the infantry is brutal. the marine corps has a strange need to make military life way nastier than it has to be. the training is built to make slaves not warriors.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Madmike has said all that really needs to be said.  I second his post entirely.

          • Carlitovtec

            thanks for the reply bro. i honestly have alo.t to think about. but then again its a little to late. my mid is prity much set and i already depD in. i dont want to be that guy that is extra motto, gets there, and deserts. that would suck ass…why did i have to find this website nowww haha. its cool though. i needed to see the ugly side that my recruiter never told me about. i have alot of questions to ask but i dont want to get anoying

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Hey ask away man, that’s why this site exists.

            I’ll say this much, you shouldn’t decide that you’re going to go just because you’re already in the DEP, but you shouldn’t necessarily not go just because a lot of people tell you not to.  We can offer our experiences, but in the end you need to make your own decision on this.

            Also remember, you have up until 180 days from the day you ship for boot camp, to change your mind and get out on Entry Level Separation, so just because your mind is pretty much set right now, doesn’t mean that you can’t change your mind later.

          • Carlitovtec

            your cool as shit man thanks for your honesty and the info and for the truth. right now i have so many questions i dont even know where to start. alot of them refer to boot camp. noone ever explains how hard it really is.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            The thing about boot camp is that it’s not nearly so physically challenging as they try to make it sound, I know plenty of people who left boot camp in worse physical shape than when they went in, simply because they couldn’t work out as intensely as they used to.

            The difficulty is almost purely mental, having a D.I. yell for you to run to the left, going for three steps, then being told to stop and run to the right, and repeat until you’ve done it fast enough for his likings.  If you expect to leave boot camp as a trained warrior, you’ll be very disappointed, boot camp is really more about programming you to mindlessly obey orders by creating a fear of what will happen if you don’t.

            That’s boot camp in a nut shell, if you have questions please feel free to ask.  I check this site more often than my own Facebook, so I’m usually on several times a day.

            Safety and Peace

          • Madmike19682003

            boot camp is easy just annoying. just be in good shape i wasn’t and i paid a price for it(couldn’t do pullups to save my life) but i toughed it out and graduated. just don’t quit and you’ll do fine. don’t take the drill instructors b.s. personally and intellectually it’s easier than middle school. NEVER go in open contract you WILL get fucked. don’t ship unless you have the mos you want in writing. another piece of advice i love to give is this DO NOT SERVE WITH STUPID PEOPLE!!!!!! this cannot be emphasised enough. do not take a mos that can be done with anyone who has a i.q. under 100. also do not serve in a unit that allows people with i.q. scores under 100. this cannot be stressed adequately enough. you do not want to be serving with shitheads who can barely read and write and you damn sure don’t want them as nco’s or snco’s telling you what to do.

          • lvestobwyked

            Act like a tool get treated like a tool….

          • Madmike19682003

            no it’s get picked on ’cause you don’t drink booze to get drunk,won’t put up with getting hazed,don’t use tobacco,come from a upper middle class background while a lot of the people around you are from the wrong side of the tracks and are jealous of it and had parents who taught me right from wrong while a lot of marines had the moral fibre of sex offenders.

          • dmoto Marine

            omg brother you coulnt have said that any better. I feel like im surrounded by complete morons and that the Marines i like actually were raised with good morals. Since ive been in i’ve met so much alcholics so much ex druggies gangmembers, things that disgusted me in civilian world.

          • 76g

            Do the ones with good morals outnumber the other ones or other way around?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            The scum bags with the morals of a crack whore vastly outnumber the morally sound marines.  It makes sense really, the scum bags know that they can continue to behave as they do with minimal repercussions, while in the civilian world they would most likely be on the receiving end of a beat down on a daily basis for the way they behave.

            Meanwhile, the decent human beings, who know that they can leave and be around other decent human beings, do so as soon as they can.

          • Madmike19682003

            there have been studies on people who get out versus the ones who reenlist and every such study has shown that people who get out of the military after the first enlistment have substantial higher i.q. test scores than the ones who reenlist on average.

          • youarealier

            Bullshit

          • Madmike19682003

            check it out if you dare. i’m talking about people who complete the initial enlistment not those who drop out because of stupid shit like drugs or deserting. don’t blame me for the study blame the pentagon.

    • anonymous

      “How bad it really is” I think i depends on what type of person you are and what you want to get out of your life. me personally, I hate it. but there are people who love it, and people who fall in the middle as well. I’m not gonna tell you it’s impossible to switch to active, but it’s extremely unlikely that will happen.

    • lvestobwyked

      You can switch but it hard…reason being is your filling a line number that is accounted for…if you switch to the active duty side then that line number oyur leaving will be “gapped” as well…

  • FutureMarine, maybe? ;D

    Damn after reading some of the comments made me think about enlisting into to MC, but should I become a Marine because I see people’s facebook as marines and they seem happy and what not. I NEED help guys.

    • AA

      I sense a troll

      • FutureMarine, maybe? ;D

        I sense your mom on my bed

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      In reality no one is going to put up a facebook pic of themselves looking absolutely miserable.  It just doesn’t make sense.  So of course people are going to put pics of themselves looking happy, and they know that if they put up pics of them in uniform then they can get a pat on the back from everyone in the facebook community for “serving their country” etc.

      I would recommend going through the “Stories” tab, read a few of them, learn about the things that people consistently bring up as being problems.  Then if you have any questions, come back over here to Anonymous Discussion and ask away!

      Safety and Peace

      • Devanteg594237

        What exactly made you join the Marine Corps?

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Honestly, I had no idea what I wanted to do after High School.  I’d looked around different colleges, and went to different programs to try to figure out what I wanted to do with my life, and nothing seemed to really attract my interest.  Honestly I started looking into the military just because I saw an Army commercial and though “eh why not?”

          I don’t rightly remember why, but at some point I decided it was either Army or marines.  I got in contact over with a recruiter from each branch, and the Army recruiter had to cancel and the marine recruiter didn’t, so I started considering the marines.

          I did some research over the internet, but I never found anything that even mentioned that there was a downside to the marine corps, I think I found one site that made a passing reference to “field day” and then I looked up the term, found out its meaning and never encountered the term again until boot camp.  Looking back I always found it strange that, given the ridiculous amount of janitorial work that we do, there was almost no mention of field day anywhere.  But I digress.

          I can’t remember what it was, whether it was something my recruiter said, or just a lack of a better idea, but at the time joining the marine corps really seemed like the thing to do.   Worst mistake of my life up to this point.

          Let me just add one thing, my recruiter only lied to me once.  I will always remember this lie.  He said “I used to really like this song [referring to "You Can Take This Job and Shove It" by Johnny Paycheck], but ever since I joined the marine corps, I just can’t relate to it anymore.”  I saw my recruiter again about 3 years later in the fleet, and after 5 minutes of talking to him, it was obvious that he could relate to that song just fine.

          Anyways, it’s been a long enlistment and I’m really fuzzy on the details of how I got myself into this mess, but  I hope this was somewhat helpful.

          Safety and Peace

    • Lifer

      If you are a needy entitled punk then don’t come in, but if you want to work hard and be part of something larger than yourself then come on in.

      Honor to SERVE

      • Madmike19682003

        i think i speak for most people here when i say it was a honor to serve my country and it was also my duty. but it wasn’t a honor to serve a government agency no different from FEMA or the TSA or help one useless lifer suck another useless lifer off for a promotion.

  • Nco89

    anyone get discharged for lieing about having asthma

    • RegoadanceProtocol

      I know a dude that that happened to. But he was in the ARMY reserves.

      • Nco89

        did he get out on honorable terms?

        • RegiadanceProtocol

          No.

          • Nco89

            i was told to keep my mouth shut about it if i never used an inhaler after the age of 13

    • lvestobwyked

      That is liying on your enlistment….Would you think that you would get a honorable discharge?!?!

    • Dmoto

      lol i have a friend has no shit documents of asthma went to a civi doctor and medical told him go fuck himself heres an inhaler haha my homie, bear first Marine with proof of asthma and to be given an inhaler.

  • Briz

    I have a Oct 20th, 2012 EAS date and my jammer just told me to go pound sand because I don’t fall within the FY12 VEERP. I hate my fucking life here in Camp LeJURN…it’s fucking Lejeune. No fucking R’s that I can tell…Corps logic at its finest again. I dunno, I wake up and dread the day…I go home and hate the night. I need out of this fucking circus. It’s literally fucking destroyed me.

    • HappytobeMarine

      General Lejeune’s family pronounces it that way, perhaps we should change your last name and see how fond of it you are.  Can’t wait for you to get out, you sound like a cancer

  • Briz

    This site is amazing. It’s full of no-shit knowledge. I thank anyone who has posted anything useful. Brought my mood up a bit too. E.A.S. Out the game.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      I am glad we were able to help

  • CantWait2BFree

    hows everyone doing? this site is pretty legit i like it. Im in right now been in for 6 years now and after my last deployment to Afghan i got selected to the great job of RECRUTING. and now i go to sleep every night dreaming of the day i get out. i think one of the worse things about recruiting and there are alot haha is that you are around normal people all the time and see how “free” they are. 3 more yrs and im out cant wait.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      Thanks for stopping by! tell your friends lol

      • CantWait2BFree

        you know what is sad? is that every night when i come home i tell my wife i cant wait to get out and i think about it everyday haha. but i have to talk to kids everyday and try and get them to join and go into the very thing that i cant wait to leave haha.

        • Madmike19682003

          out of curiosity do you no if there is any official marine corps concern over this website and others like it? have you been briefed on it? are marines ordered not to go to these sites?

          • CantWait2BFree

            not that i know of. i mean im on the website from my Gov. computer in the recruitng office right now. so they dont even block the website. but i cant go to NFL.com haha.

          • FutureJarhead

            what town are you in

    • Ant989

      If you could give me some feedback I would appreciate it. My Son passed the asvab but they could not find it but he has a copy. He is now 21. He was in possession of a half a joint when he was 17. He was denied because of not passing the test and as a whole he could not get a waiver. He has grown to be a very responsible young man. He can’t except not getting the opportunity to become a Marine and will not give up at this point. As a Father I can not lead him down another path. Its the Marines. He stated he is going to contact his politicians for help. Is this a waste of time? Will he ever get an opportunity to become a Marine? Thank you.

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        If he’s going to contact a congressman or something like that, then it’s really up in the air.  The marine corps is a big political machine these days anyway so there’s really no telling what happens if a politician gets involved.  However I would be remiss not to advise you to have your son look elsewhere for somewhere where his drive and determination will be rewarded instead of penalized.  The marine corps is no place for someone with morals and a sense of personal responsibility.

  • 76g

    Did anyone else stop eating before they shipped?

    • anonymous

      if you mean did anyone have a sick to their stomach type feel and not feel like eating, yeah I did.

      • 76g

        How close to the ship date?

        • anonymous

          like a week. that week was probably worse than any week i’ve had in the marines, lol. I realized prior to shipping that it was a bunch of BS but didn’t have the courage to say F it.

  • Aaaaa

    I’m in the usmc right now and I have to say this. I’m very greatful that the usmc gave me the opportunity to earn a steady paycheck and buy my first car while also taking care of my family. I’m also greatful to have developed some good leadership skills. that was the positive part… Here are the negatives. I have wasted the last 3 years of my life in the usmc. I have gained no experience at all sitting behind my computer at ipac I have never deployed never did any real training and I constantly get fucked daily. When I get out the usmc I will be a qualified custodian/janitor. The only reason I have learned such good leadership in the usmc is because i have witnessed so much bad leadership. It’s ridiculous! As an enlisted personnel it’s a shame really to see the stuff that we go through. I have 11 months left to go in this hell hole and I will be getting out to go back to school. The stuff that I have had to deal with in the usmc will be more than enough motivation to get a degree and actually be something in life…

    • 76g

      Can you elaborate ”getting constantly fucked daily”?

      • Aaaaaa

        Let’s just say that if you r planning on joining as an enlisted personnel then don’t do it. Seriously go to school n get a degree or a trade. U will be way better off.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      Great post. Thank you for sharing

    • Pooli

      Did the shit you have to deal with motivate you to become something better than what you could have been or just be someone? Where were you when you joined?

  • Briz

    Alright so I have one that I’ve never ran into before. Basically, I’ve been on light duty on and off now for about 2-3 months. Been going to physical therapy, X-ray, MRI, yada yada. Here’s the question: If these fuckers decide that I’m fat, which is most likely going to happen…and I get thrown on the BCP program (which I’ve never been on) will I still be able to EAS if I don’t meet height and weight? Or do I HAVE to meet the standards in order to get out? Also, I heard you need at least a 4.2/4.2 for an honorable. BCP I have a feeling will reduce that to general. I have 6 months left on contract so that’s 6 months of BCP plus final checkout and physical/ VA. Some truth would help, mot-dogs ’cause nobody in my chain seems to know what the fuck. Also, the PFT is around the corner which there is no way in hell in my current physical health I’ll be able to take b/c of light duty or possible Limdu.

    • Oneofthem

      Warrior, you will be fine, if you EAS in 6 months, they most likely will not put you on BCP, however if they do, you can still EAS on BCP.  This will effect your Pro/Con however as long as you don’t have too many NJP’s (which would cause your Pro/Con to be lower) you should be fine, all you need ins 4.0/4.0

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      Whoever told you that needs to be put down.  You can EAS and be as far as you want to be.  I am racking my brain here, but I think that if you are fat when you EAS you get an RE3 reinlistment code.  It is an honorable discharge, but it means that you were fat. It also means that if you wanted to re join the military, you would have to lose weight to get back in. But that’s it.

      My source is me.  I was fat when I EAS’d. 

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Honorable discharge requires your pros and cons to be 3.0/4.0.  So it takes some effort to not get an honorable discharge, especially this late in the game.  But other than that Civilian and Oneofthem have you covered.

  • Livefree

    Anybody here  a MOTOR T reservist? Whats it like?

  • Devanteg594237

    I am 14 years old and I planned on joining in 4 years but now I’m not very sure now, because what you guys say sounds like the truth. I may just go Army instead.

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      DO NOT, DO NOT enlist in the marine corps. You have far better options! If you are athletically inclined and have scholarships to college take them! If you get scholarships at all go to college! If you want to do the military at all and want to enlist, go air force or navy. If you want to go to college then serve in the military do OCS for any branch EXCEPT the marine corps. Anything you do as enlisted in another branch is ten times better than here. In the marine corps you are treated as less than human, you will learn nothing but janitorial duties, and you will participate in the most ignorant and incompetent ways of thinking you cant even begin to imagine.

      • Potential

        How old were you when you joined?

        • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

          How old was i? 21. Thought i had the information id need, thought i had the contract i signed, thought i was ready to finish maturing becoming a full blown out on my own adult with a career. This? I had no idea what i was getting myself in to. This is no career, i wont sacrifice myself as a man for this disgusting disgrace of a branch and become the screaming motard, green wienie loving, self destructive idiot they tried to make me.

          Dishonored and disgraced by the usmc.

          “Forgive me Father, for I am sin, I wear the uniform of a marine.”

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Pardon my curiosity, but were you quoting my piece on paying off the Taliban at the end there?  Or did you get that “Forgive me Father” from somewhere else?

          • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

            Yeah I was quoting you, that quote really stuck cause its so true, i am embarrassed and ashamed every day that im in this branch, ive thanked my parents for not disowning me or being ashamed of me, ive prayed to God to forgive me for most likely screwing up his plan.

            The second biggest regret i have ever had. The first? The one that got me in this position, stopping going to college so i could work…

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            I know the feeling, believe me…

          • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

            So i have a question, is there a way to change your contract from 5 years to 4 years? Are there any other ways to get out early other than the VEERP?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Unfortunately none that end in an honorable discharge.  I know that wasn’t the answer is you were hoping for, but there’s just nothing for it.  Just remember that it will come to an end, I’m not 75 days from EAS and I remember a year ago it felt like the day would never come.

            I wish I had better advice then “suck it up and push through” but at this point that’s all that you can really do.

          • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

            Owell i didnt have my hopes too high up haha. Thanks though, it does seem like time is flying at least.

            One more question, are you getting out on the VEERP?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            No I’m not. I have some financial obligations that I need to make sure get taken care of, so for me the last 3 months of this place was worth it for the paychecks and to make sure I had all of my ducks in a row.

  • Briz

    Hey I appreciate the input. Got anything in black and white that I can use as ammunition? I have a lone Cpl that has my back out here. Anything I can use would benefit myself and have at least an NCO in my corner.

  • Anonymous

    Is MMA popular in the corps?

  • Devanteg594237

    Wow thanks outta control, I may just go Army or Air force even though Im not really athletic. If I do go into the Army I’d want to become a Sapper. But, is the Marine Corps really full of bullcrap, The way how I see they always intentionally screw people over a little bit too conservative is what I say.

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      Screw people over? Did you want to bury it under a pound of sugar? Thats a nice way of saying it. If they can screw you they can, for either appearance or money are the top two reasons. Many times the NCOs just tell you to do stupid stuff just cause they can, many times out of laziness. Leaders arent supposed to tell their subordinates to do things they wouldnt do themselves, right? Wrong.

      Youd be disrespected every day for no reason, one of the key things i loathe this branch for. Another key reason? They can choose to honor their end of the contract or not. They completely ignored my contract, i didnt even get so much as the screening id need for my job i signed for.

      • Devanteg594237

        Wow, that makes a lot of sense now thanks.

        • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

          I just hope you get out of what im saying is that the marine corps is an absolutely horrible decision youll regret. If you need any other examples of common sense being defeated, stupidity, or just straight dishonor to solidify a decision to not go marine corps just let me know, i have lists.

  • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

    We are rooming in the basic security guard barracks, we are in the advanced urban combat course, we leave at least a half hour before the class on the other side of bay, so the gunny on this shithole base decides to blame us for the trash not being taken out by the bsg boots and took the trash and dumped it all along the squad bay inbetween our racks. Thats the maturity and sensibility of the marine corps.

    Now the NCOs have to live in the squad bay with us since all of us are too incompetent to live on our own. Fuck the fact we all have rooms at out regular shithole base.

    NEVER FI

    • Guest

      Sounds like camp

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    When I was in Iraq, our Gunny lost his NVG’s (night vision goggles). Guess who got in trouble? Everyone below the rank of Gunny…  In the middle of the desert, everyone had to dump their gear and wait for hours while SNCO’s searched our belongings.  All operations were halted.  The NVG’s were never found. Everyone continued to get fucked with for the next couple of days. The gunny “Gunnery Sergeant Alston” (also involved in the drowning at MCRD Camp Pendlton a few years back” was never punished. 

    It is my belief he should not only be punished for losing his equipment, but also be punished for abusing his authority and blaming his WHOLE ENTIRE UNIT instead of taking responsibility for his own actions. 

    As far as I have seen, this is what the majority of the leadership in the Marine Corps consists of.

  • The Transmogriofer

    I am Vietnam ERA veteran, I was drafted to “serve” my country. I was warned repeated by older friends about the hateful loathsome nature of all military. In my two years in the “green machine” I never once heard anything about the Constitution that I was FORCED to swear to. Nor was anything but hate preached  and absolutely nothing about “defending” our country. The military is an amoral organization of bullying and lies.
    I was forced in, and draftees were used to ease the casualty of career “lifers.”  How anyone with a conscience can take part in such an obviously pathological kill-fest and chronic ass sucking subservience is the most important issue for Americans to ponder.

  • shitbag

    Any hopes of the VEERP program getting expanded past 3 months here in the near future?

  • FRUSTRATED!

    My advise to everyone here thinking about going into the Marine Corps……..DONT!  Join the Army or the Air Force.  I’ve learned in my years in the Corps that most leaders are all about them selfs, not about the Corps.  They may use the Corps as an excuse as to why they do a lot of the stupid things they do; but the fact is that most leadership, mostly SNCO’s and maybe a few officers care more about them selfs than anything else.

    Some of the dumbest people I’ve ever known are Marines.  And what’s worse is that all of these MOTARDS lead Marines.  I work with one right now who is about the dumbest SNCO I’ve ever seen in my life. He’s all ego and very little common sense.  I work with another one who has no initive.  These are the kind of people that are getting promoted even with bad paper work on them.  If you have a good PFT/CFT, done some PME that no one really does any way and look sexy in your promotion picture, you will get promoted.  I’ve known some terds that have made rank that way.  This is because the promotion boards are selecting people for too much of the wrong reasons.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian
    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      Wow people really cant take the truth about their precious corps. (Judging by the responses)

    • Madmike19682003

      i’m not ashamed i joined the corps in fact i’m proud i served my country(even though the marine corps wants you to serve them first) in fact everyone should have to do something. but i do regret the way i did it. shoulda just done the 2 year army deal. that being said most employers don’t give a flip if you were in the service or not. i’ve filled out numerous job applications that don’t even ask if you were in. or if they do it’s just asking what branch. besides aren’t employers technically not even supposed to ask if you were in unless it somehow has a direct tie to the civilian job?

  • Devanteg594237

    I have a comparison to make, if anyone here knows about the My Lai massacre in Vietnam in 1968 some people realized that what Army did was one of the worst U.S military massacres in history. But, the veterans were commemorated 30 years later, but is was based on speculation of the people working with the Viet Cong and at least 347 people were killed men, women, and children. Now, the Haditha killings to which 24 people died men, women, and children. In revenge for a IED that killed Lance Corporal Miguel Terrazas, but what did those people have to do with the killing of that man, and there are supported accusations of the U.S marines deliberately shot civilians and they were unarmed. So, whose the worse criminal, the soldiers who killed 347 civilians based on their belief as supporters/ Viet Cong fighters of the Viet Cong, but who knows if they were, or the marines who deliberately killed unarmed civilians who had nothing to do with an IED explosive that killed a Lance Corporal. THIS IS NOT A BASH!!!! and I’m not saying all marines are psychotic either as I deeply support the U.S military, I’m just making a comparison to two events that happened in separate time periods in the stage of war.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Where do I begin about today… today I found out that I had been roped into a battalion change of command ceremony, which wouldn’t have been so bad, except that a full two-thirds of my shop had to perform in the ceremony.  What’s more, when we got to the parade deck, the company gunny had the nerve to ask where the rest of the shop was!  I just wanted to scream out “They’re doing their fucking job you pompous prick!  I’m sorry that you seem to think that one old man leaving and another old man showing up is so important that the entire unit should just drop whatever it’s doing to come down here and goose-step around a damned parking lot!”  But, being as close to EAS as I am, I decided to hold my tongue, and let someone else from the shop answer.

    Then when we’re going through the rifle manual part, we realized that the only people who remembered any of it were the PFCs and a couple of LCpls, so this bitch-ass MSgt puts on his D.I. act and starts running up and down the squads yelling and screaming “Tight elbows” and all of that ridiculous boot camp nonsense, and threatening to take people who messed it up to the I.T. pit.  I was just standing there hoping he would actually follow through with that threat, I wanted to personally bash his face in with my rifle butt stock BEFORE, I got him charged with hazing.  But of course, his threats were entirely impotent, (much like the man himself) and we continued on our ridiculous little practice.

    At one point I actually started listening to what the speaker was saying over the speaker system.  She was going on about how the parade that the audience was witnessing had a historical basis in the days of muzzle loaded muskets, so that firepower could be grouped in a small area.  Then at the end the SgtMaj came up to us, to stress the importance of “customs and courtesies”.  These two instances really reinforced to me just how much the marine corps refuses to modernize itself.  It’s like the Generals just came together one day and said “Well if we can’t win a war like this, then we’ll make it a ceremony, because it would be just horrible if we took this outdated form of warfare out of the books entirely!

    But that’s the marine corps, everyone is so afraid that the asinine, self-important pissant who outranks them might get butt-hurt if they don’t validate his existence by dropping everything that they have to do, and put on a lavish ceremony in commemoration of him before he leaves.

    For those of you who’ve read the stuff I’ve posted, I hope you can tell that I really try to maintain a balanced point of view.  I don’t want to come across as someone who’s just here with a personal axe to grind.  But then the corps does something like this, and I just lose it.  I can’t stand all of the inefficiency, and the staggering lack of ability to prioritize what is important over what isn’t as important and can take a back seat, or what is so unimportant that there’s not even room in the car for it so it has to get left behind.  The marine corps won’t accept these as possibilities, everything has to fit in the front seat, and nothing can be left behind.  And then they wonder why we become disgruntled and get out.

    Alright, I’ll step off my little soap box now, thanks for listening, and a special thanks to Civilian for creating the site.  It feels good to get this all off of my chest.

    Safety and Peace

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      This is a great post man. You should add it to the blog!

    • Madmike19682003

      just hold on for a few more months and then one moment you will say this is the happiest day of my life. the day your sitting in the airport waiting for your flight to board. the one that takes you home. it’s sad the day you get out is the happiest day of your life, military life shouldn’t be that depressing but it often is. i can remember sitting in the charlotte airport like it was yesterday, thinking now i’m a free man..not government property.

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        Thanks, yeah I know I’m almost done.  It’s just that now I’m so close I want it to be there already.  I can’t wait to be sitting in that airport knowing that I’m never coming back again.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

          Just wait until you spend a whole day at sep. Every minute feels like an hour, and every hour feels like a day.  But as soon as you get that DD2-14 in your hand. You feel invincible.  When I got mine, I almost told every NCO and above to go fuck himself.  But instead I said by to my friends, and drove home. I sat in horrible traffic, but it was the best traffic I had ever seen :D

        • Madmike19682003

          right before i got out we had a base commander change of command ceremony at camp lejeune. they tried to make guys from every damn unit march in this elaborate parade from hell but the dumbasses never considered that it’s A BIG FUCKING GRASSY FIELD in front of the building with ankle breaker gopher holes laid out in mine field formation. so no matter how much they cried and screamed like DI’s we looked stupid trying to drill. and of course the general only came out and talked for like half a second during the ceremony we practiced a month for.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       You should add this post to the blog. 

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        Good idea.  I’ll get on that soon.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

           So how much time do you have left?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            70 days.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            So close!   Are the days dragging by?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Not as bad as you might think. Fortunately I have some things around the shop to keep me busy, and before I know it the days over.

          • FloridaFishingLife

            I felt just as you did getting out…Its nice to be out. You will miss your fellow Marines not the Gunny’s and above but civilian life is nice. Every weekend off in the Florida sun fishing!

  • Ki11erBeers69

    I will say that your argument is sound and just. There are some things that happen nowadays that make no sense at all. All I do is envision my family and it pushes my through. I am one of those Marines that believes once “WORK” is done and I leave the confines of that place I report to, I am free to be me. I can relate come rely with almost everyone’s sentiment, thusly I placed myself into a position to be able to one day break these chains that subdue me and throw this yoke from my back. I shan’t regret my times nor will I comprimise that of of the ideals of the Corps; what I will do is say “It’s the people that are in the Corps, that are destroying what it once may have been”.

  • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

    Its sunday… we are working… where is one squad leader, platoon sergeant and platoon commander? O yeah they think they rate to stay at home while the rest of us are losing our weekend to unnecessary “training”.

    • FloridaFishingLife

      God some things I dont miss

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      Wow this just brought back a flood of memories.  I remember one day a fellow unit in our battalion decided to poke some fun at how much our unit stood in formation.  The ended up calculating that we spend about 2 1/2 hours in formation daily and then decided to figure out how much time that equaled to in a year. 

      After getting the math problem wrong like 3 times lol, they came up with 38 days.

      My unit spent 38 days out of the year in formation… Guess what the higher ups do during while we are waiting in formation?

  • shitbag

    791 days.. 

    • G_tyler_04

       1569 here :(

      • Mescan3000

        215 days

        • Communiskater

          2190 down, 730 to go.

          • tactfully_beligerent

            suckered into a 5 year contract, wasn’t this bitter until the final year, fuck this shit 12 days left

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian
  • Kylebush123

    i eas april 16th and i got seps and taps april 30th, my gunnery sergeant isnt signing my shit for checking out. and my platton sergeant is telling me i can leave until im done with the class. can they legally hold me until after the class or can i just up and leave and finish the class when that time comes. what can i do. 1/9 fucking sucks green weenies lol

    • Madmike19682003

      this info is WAY OLD but they didn’t let me check out until 1 week before i went on terminal leave. also i had 67 leave days saved up but they only let me take 60 so i have 7 unused leave days on my dd214.

      • Was3521now0111

         you might have to redo your septs data  sheet and then take it to ipac to sell back ur days

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Attending TAPS class is DoD mandated, they’re not allowed to let you EAS until you have it done.  It blows, but you have to do it.

  • FRUSTRATED!

    You don’t need to do shit.!  Once your contract is up you are out!  They have to honer that.

  • Devanteg594237

    Sometimes I think the Marine Corps makes reckless choices and not realize the extent of the damage, as they are supposed to be front line fighters with the FIDDLE WIDDLE DOWN THE MIDDLE tactics. Those kind of tactics are the kind of things that get people killed when there was a easier way around the problem without having the costs of many lives, when those people had families and they’re going to wonder if they’re blinded by arrogance just to die for something that’s nothing more than a branch of the military, or just poor and bad leadership overall they’re more of the fight harder not smarter kind of people. I’m not being bias nor am I bashing, I’m learning what other people learned through their services in the USMC. Some of it good, some of it bad, the way I see it I would compare them to a sort of fascistic organization. Not saying they’re fascist, they use propaganda and their image to lure people in not telling them how it really is. They break you down from your former civilian self to that of building up to a Marine, but some people can be so dug into the myth and some lies behind the USMC they only do it the Marine Corps way as seeing a civilian life not tasteful. You realize that when it’s EAS time you have to go, believe in the USMC but don’t put it into your everyday life. If you still compare them to fascism “Pride comes before fall”. The way I see it, it would be the death of the USMC  

    • anonymous

      Work harder not smarter would be a great moto for the marines

      • Devanteg594237

        That does like a good motto. 

    • Madmike19682003

      less than %9 of americans are veterans and even fewer are former marines so very few people know what it’s really about. most americans only know the propaganda not the reality. when i tell people that the number one thing that gets people to join is money they look at me like i’m some unamerican traitor even though i served and they never did. i mean come on guys admit it how many people would have served if they won the lottery the day before they were supposed to talk to the recruiter? the answer is damn few. i served 4 years in the grunts with mostly working class schmoes and damn few upper class people. i never would have done 4 years in the corps but i would have done rotc or maybe 2 years in the army because i do think everyone should have to do something. the difference between the corps and the other branches is that we are the most expendable branch. we are the one branch this country does not need and everyone knows it. that is why the corps is obsessed with the whole “elite unit” thing. it MUST convince naive civilians that is capable of some kind of magic the other branches aren’t even though the corps isn’t elite at all. the corps is a government agency no different from the TSA,FEMA,DMV or the post office. it’s primary job is to protect itself not america.

      • Devanteg594237

        I can agree with that, my brother was in the USMC and he kinda only really cares about himself. He always says the Army sucks even though he was discharged four weeks into training it seems to have left its propaganda and lies within and upon him. Pride does come before fall just look at Hitler, and Mussolini.

  • ScarheadtheJarhead

    Hey all, I had a question I wanted to ask. I figured here would be a good place seeing as how I get legitimate answers. Since the last time I posted, life’s gotten better. I now have a full time job at the local Veteran’s Hospital, so my financial situation has improved dramatically. But the status of my mental health has yet to be discussed by the corps in detail. That is to say, I don’t know what they’re doing about it or what they plan on doing. I am having another appointment this coming week, and had a question about it. I don’t mean to sound paranoid or anything, but does the military have any right to put me in some kind of mental hospital or institution if they feel I am unfit to perform my duties?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I had a roommate with a severe alcohol program and they put him in a month long live-in program at point loma.  I’m not sure if they have a similar program for mental health, or not, but if they do, then they would probably be able to send you there to “recover” or whatever term they would use for it.  But I sincerely doubt you would be permanently locked up on the “looney bin” or anything like that.

  • ihateDIs89

    :))

  • ihateDIs89

    I think the picture/cartoon speaks for itself.

  • Jeff Oklahoma

    Just wanted to stop by and vent my frustration I had in the corp….What a load of shit..You see all the nice commercials and the fags they have as recruiters are just liars, Once your on the inside you see whats its really all about..I just felt it was a big competition of who does this best and which platoon could pt the hardest..Once i was in i realized i didnt want to fight for the shithole…all a bunch of bs, Your not defending your family, more like money for the country.

  • Semper HUH?

    Good one ihateDIs89! lol!

  • Devanteg594237

    Why does the USMC rely on the Navy for their paychecks to come through for other marines, they’re supposed to be a conservative organization that relies on itself to pay what it owes to fellow marines. That’s why they always try to say that you will learn honor, discipline, and self reliance when they are just hypocrites because they have to use the Navy for paychecks, the Army for combat training, and the Air Force I have no idea what for. They are becoming insufficient to keep up with the other branches in many things, the Army was first into Iraq, but they always try to take credit for that, the Army did much of the fighting in the Pacific and the USMC was mainly the support of the Army and Navy on the other islands. Truthfully they were backup and support for the Army in the Pacific. They are failing to keep up with the future and stuck living in the past, still stuck in WWI tactics. The Marine Corps should be reorganized into a Naval Maneuvering Force just only a naval infantry force for the Navy. Because, that’s what they originally were, Now everyone can see why Harry S.Truman tried to disband them in the Korean War. This is not a bash. 

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      That’s exactly why I laugh every time I hear someone crying that “it should be called The Department of the Navy and marine corps.”  It’s like hearing some say “it should be called the Department of the Army and Infantry.”  marines aren’t supposed to be “the tip of the spear” or whatever, they’re supposed to quell mutinies and defend against the marines of opposing navies and pirates.  That’s all.

      • Devanteg594237

        They are just the Navy’s police force, and so far the Army is beating the Marines with the Air Force.

  • KFleetMarineLife

    USMC policies in a nutshell.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Scarily accurate.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Wow this is like spot on.  It is a perfect representation of Marine Corps culture and policies.

  • YATYAS

    I agree that many aspects of the Corps are flawed, but too many of you guys sound like whiney bitches and lose any and all credibility in doing so. Sounds to me that most of your pussy ass comments are coming from guys getting booted for being fuck ups.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      You are incorrect. Most of the active users on this site have served 4 or more years and have received honorable discharges.

      You have lost credibility in your own statement with the way you conducted it. Also know as, contradiction. I try to encourage everyone that uses this site to think before they post, I am not giving this advice to you.

    • Madmike19682003

      sure there are some whiners here but most did the time honorably in fact more honorably than most motards and lifers. i for one am trying to make the corps better by getting rid of the dumb shit that makes life harder than it has to be and weakens our fighting ability(crap like spit and polish,hazing,the insane emphasis on looking good rather than being good and how promotions are based on looks and ass kissing ability).

  • Semper HUH?

    NO YATYAS!  Most of our comments are coming from Marines like you who have no common sense in the way you do business.  So its people like you who have lost credibility and trust from the soboardinates because of the piss poor way you think!  But its easy to blame junior Marines for what leadership is causing!  Marines would not complain if leadership would get up and lead and not dictate or micromanage!  Read and understand the creed of a NCO or SNCO!  Try not to misinterpret what it’s saying.  If you need help understanding it just ask and I’ll explain it to you!

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian
  • Shinanigans

    That dude that started the anti obama page is getting the boot.  Why is a facebook page against obama worse than this website?  i sense bullshit – http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/showthread.php?1592374-Marine-says-Corps-kicking-him-out-for-criticism

    • Madmike19682003

      because that sgt is still in the corps while we are civilians. even the ones who aren’t are not insulting a particular individual just the bullshit and incompetence of the marine corps.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

        I started a facebook page back in 2008 (I was 2 years in at that point) called “Obam(a) is a Retard”.  I even told everyone about it, I did not hide or anything.  I never got punished.

        Here it is – http://www.facebook.com/pages/Obama-is-a-Retard/105575248245

        • Madmike19682003

          wow. but i still think you got lucky. of course intentionally spelling it wrong might have helped from a legal standpoint. but more than likely the site either never attracted enough of the wrong kind of attention or this sgt pissed off a superior for something else.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            Makes sense, still bullshit in my opinion.  I think that this guy is totally getting picked on.

  • EPennington0311

    I know most people here coming to discuss a point aren’t very well spoken, so I’m going to do it right in hopes you all can get through it.
    Opinions like these have been given for 236th years. If not through media, through people and stories. The Corps, the violence, the system, the money, the reputations, the stories – anything you name, it’s been talked about. Before this site was created and before any of you joined the Corps.

    So why did you join? Are you one of those Marines that gets into it then says “this isn’t what I signed up for!” or “I had no idea it would be like THIS”. None of us did. But you had heard about it, we’d all heard about it. So now you joined, you changed your mind. My mother always taught me that as a man if you make a decision, you stick to it. But when you don’t feel it’s right, she said, then you stick UP to it.

    It’s great that y’all have a place to let your “experiences” out without being chewed out and recognized. You need a place to “share”…But why anonymously? Talk to upcoming Marines, tell them that even though you heard the stories you were NOT prepared. Those who agree probably didn’t deserve to be in the Corps anyhow and they’d probably just get int he way of those who have thought about it all and are ready.

    Marines are suppose to be honorable men who are ready for everything thrown at them. Anything to defend this country. And sometimes you eat a lot of shit, but you all knew that before you joined. You ended up just losing your last name by signing it on a sheet of paper that now you’re wiping your ass with because you didn’t think enough about the possibilities.

    By this point, I’m sounding like a fucking Air Force CMSAF being all nice and shit in my tone. And I’m doing it because I know at the sound of a Marine saying “GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS, YOU RETARDS” some of you are going to jump up and freak out about “THIS IS WHY I HATE THE CORPS”. Like the articles here…”Some of the dumbest people I’ve ever known are Marines”. Well, none of them pointed an M16 to your head when your sassy ass pranced into that recruiters office, huh?

    Man up, Marines. Semper fi to my brothers who agree. For those who don’t, name or no name, you’re no brother of mine.
    OORAH!

    • Guest

      You are entitled to your OWN opinion as well.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       You are entitled to your own opinion as well. 

    • Madmike19682003

      just because “this is the way it’s been since 1775″ does not make it  right. black people couldn’t join until ww2 and it was only because the civilians forced the issue. the commandant himself said he’d rather have 1 white marine than 10 black ones. victor “the brute” krulack told everyone he was protestant when in fact he was jewish. he did it because of the marine corps anti semitism. “shitbags” like us are the reason the military can’t do stuff like that anymore because when we saw abuse and bullshit we didn’t take like a bitch which is what motards do. hell no we fought back like men and made the military better. the problem with “i never knew it was gonna be like this” is simple. who here was told about the abuse we’d face as boot marines in the fleet? field days? getting promoted based on ass kissing not ass kicking ability? when i was in we had cg and ig inspections that took months to prepare for and also required each marine to pony up about $200 to pass. we had wall locker and junk on the bunk inspections that i believe have since been outlawed. but i could be wrong on that. when i was in boots had to be shined and cami’s had to be pressed. those have also gone the way of the dodo bird. and why was that? because the corps came to it’s senses? no it was because people complained and voted with our feet. but i think it was also because of the rise of the internet. when i joined i did not have access to the amount of info a site like this provides and i wish i did as i would have been able to make a much more informed decision that would have benefited me and the military both. when i got out i told everyone about the dumb shit and kept a number of people from making some bad decisions. if everyone saw this site and knew what we know as honorably discharged marines than no one would sign up for this stupid shit and the marine corps and maybe the other branches would reform themselves and give this country and it’s servicemen the military we deserve.

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        I would love to see that quote, about rather having one white marine than 10 black ones.  I assume based on your timeline that that would have been Gen. Thomas Holcomb who said it?

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Nevermind, just found it.

          “If it were a question of having a Marine Corps of 5,000 whites or 250,000 Negroes, I would rather have the whites.” ~ General Thomas Holcomb, 17th Commandant of the marine corps.

          • Devanteg594237

            I can’t believe how racist and anti Semitic the USMC was back in WWII. They said that blacks who joined were given the crappiest qualities of life possible, getting beat down by drill instructors everyday, and sleeping on cots made of wood. The only reason they started to allow blacks is because the US government made them do it, other wise they would cut off spending to the USMC and throw them to the wolves. In the end it proved they only allowed it out of fear of being dishonored and disbanded, 235 years worth of lies and deceit, and forced labor, and poor leadership and planning. No wonder there were so many deserters in the USMC during the Vietnam war. They were sick of being sent to die for nothing, to be drafted and forced to erase what they had in their past lives and replace it with USMC lies and dogma. The people were enslaved by dogma just waiting to break away from it then they realize their hopes and dreams to become something and succeed in life is destroyed, because now lies, dogma, arrogance, and deceit are all they know now. Because they really never pay for your college, If they did it would come out of the Navy’s wallet. They honestly don’t know how to help themselves instead of relying on the other branches for support. There are many people who were once marines that are now homeless and have no job, or certain jobs won’t take them because they don’t know what they specialize in, which is only killing people. And pissing on their bodies second. FYI This isn’t a bash, nor racist since I’m black and white. 

        • Madmike19682003

          the actual quote is something like “i’d rather have 5,000 white marines than 100,000 black marines” or something to that effect. but it’s still pretty bad. that’s why almost all black servicemen of ww2 went to the army and air force. they had the most experience with them and were more accepting. and the story about victor krulak is also true. he was so fearful of being found out he went out of his way to tell friends and family not to join the corps for fear one might out him. he would say it was to tough and they couldn’t hack it(something that alienated his cousin)or he would just say the corps sucked and you should join the army instead.

  • F_M_L

    It’s been a while since I posted something, last time I posted some troll came out saying that I’ll always take pride in being a Marine or something to that effect…I did not dignify that with a response, just laughed. Here I sit 2 months before I get out and still just as sick of all of it. Some people become these emotional zombies ignoring all the bullshit, some live with this flame of resentment at all the uncommon stupidity that is a common virtue. I’m the latter, I will not become a zombie and just look the other way.At this point I’m just tired of dealing with the kind of “men” the Marine Corps produces and celebrates. These self-righteous, self-important, narcissistic, judgemental, conceited assholes that seem to find their way to the top by a combination of ass-kissing and dick sucking. The Marine Corps when you get down to it, is this dick measuring contest, with this macho, idiotic posturing and judging, validating themselves in these stupid ways that in no way, shape,or form pertain to the life of an average intelligent person, stupid crap like running, the ability to put one leg in front of the other in a quick manner, become these sources of pride that allow men judge and seperate themselves and allow some to feel superior to others. All these Marines, running off at the mouth saying shit that would get them in trouble in regular society, like “kill bodies” and “I hate fucking fat people, they’re disgusting, their pieces of shit,etc..”, not even stopping to think, what would normal people think about people that say “kill bodies” or what could happen if I went into a civilian job saying “I hate fat people”. Self-righteous, self-important, judgemental, conceited men, trying to validate the size of their dicks, saying dumb shit, brainwashed, and they stroke their egos by calling themselves “grown ass men” even though they’ve been babysat for the last couple of years. I’ll leave you with this last thought, then I might not post for another while. If, IF!!, we in fact are to supposed to be “grown ass men”, this cliche that gets thrown around in the Marine Corps alot, especially during a safety brief, then why is it, that every time I go home, I have to fill out a little piece of paper saying how far is it from the base to my house with exact milage and of course, give them step by step directions on how to get to my house, and then say how I’m going to check the weather, wear condoms and use helmets or some shit. They are basically telling you, you are too stupid to live with the freedom of going to your home without me holding your hand, you are too stupid to live with alot of the freedoms that an average human has without question. And that, I do not, and will not accept.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       This is a great post F_M_L, you should post more often ;)

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

         oh and trolls, if a troll is bothering you and causes you not to come back for a while, please let myself or ninja_punch know.  Trolls causing people not to come back is ass backwards. We want the people who like this site to continue to come back, not the trolls. We ban trolls, forever.

        So just let us know.  Usually we catch them ourselves because we read every comment that pops up.  Ninja punch said that he checks this site more often than his facebook, I do as well :) 

    • Devanteg594237

      The Marine corps can be so immature, that it is unbelievable. They act like 4 year old children when the don’t get what they want. 

  • KFleetMarineLife

    USMC =
    Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children
    Uncomplicated Shit Made Complicated
    Uncle Sam’s Mountain Climbers
    Unlawful Slavery Made Constitutional
    U Suck Mad Cock
    U Signed the Motherfucking Contract
    Uncle Sams Marijuana Club
    Urine Samples Make Civilians
    under-paid sex machine co-operators

    • Madmike19682003

      you forgot Uncle Sam’s Molested Children

  • Devanteg594237

    So, does this all make the USMC socialist because of the idea giving up your individuality to the Marine Corps, but socialism is giving your freedom to work as a whole. Not many people can talk crap/truth about the Marine Corps without someone having to get lectured or beat down or a dishonorable discharge. That’s basically being forced to give up the freedom of speech and many other leisure’s that make us American. It is individualism over collectivism, another example the Nazis. They were National Socialistic movement they believed everyone should share the hate of the Jews, surprisingly those who didn’t were looked down upon by everyone else and maybe taken to concentration camps themselves. Now the Scout sniper team only a few months back were posing with a SS symbol, and they were so dumb as to not knowing what it meant as if they never paid attention in history class in school. That explains why they can be so anti Semitic, and yet they just let the incident go as if it were nothing.

    • Madmike19682003

      i’d say they are dumbasses but in they’re defense i betcha they saw those ss lightning bolts on a rock music logo and that’s what gave them the idea. naive… yes evil… no

      • Devanteg594237

        Hmmmm… Okay agreeable, that maybe the case but the marine corps has had a lot of white supremacy issues over the years. Almost as bad as the Army, but if you take a close look you don’t see any blacks in the picture, close to supporting the fact maybe. No bash intended.

        • Madmike19682003

          true but in my experience the really “elite” units have very few minorities in them. not trying to be rude but thats the way it is. well over 90% of special forces and fighter pilots are white.

          • Devanteg594237

            What about the other 10%?

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

             They are orange

          • Madmike19682003

            i read a story in usa today that broke down the number of black people in special forces units and the numbers are miniscule. of course there are asians and hispanics. i read that 98% of rated  aviators are white. and now that i think of it every navy seal,green beret or air force spec ops guy i saw while i was in the corps was white. i’m sure there are some minorities but i just never saw them.

          • Devanteg594237

            Makes sense.

  • Name Here

    Any statement made here about the USMC can also be true about any other branch in the US. They decided to sign a deal with the devil and sell their freedom away. They do what the government tells them to do or else they’ll be sent to prison for not obeying. I guess this means if their little drill instructor tells them to suck his dick they have to do it.

    • Madmike19682003

      first off you only have to obey legal orders. second the difference between the marine corps and the other branches is that it is the one branch we don’t need to defend this country. we must have a army,navy and air force. so to justify it’s existence the marine corps is built on a lie. that lie is that it is elite and can do things the other branches can’t. it’s all bullshit. the marine corps lacks any single attribute of a true elite unit. there are elite units in the marines but the corps itself is nothing more than a bitchy little army that speaks navy lingo. in the marine corps we are trained and conditioned for the primary mission of defending the corps not america. the marine corps is style over substance. it must present this facade of being a “elite” unit so everything is geared to it’s appearance and the image it presents to the public.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      There is something to your statement “They decided to sign a deal with the devil”.  In a 2008 government study, 77% of military members were found to be self-professed Christians.  

      Yet the obvious contradiction between Christ’s teachings of “Turn the other cheek,” and the military’s purpose of killing those who offend the government, never seems to register in their minds.  They even have Chaplains who offer the blessings of Christ upon these actions which are completely against his teachings.

      What’s more, Jesus also said “But I say to you do not swear at all… But let your ‘yes’ be ‘yes,’ and your ‘no’, ‘no’.  For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.”

      So if there is such a thing as making a deal with the devil, the oath of enlistment is the closest thing in this world to it.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    Interesting article about the V-22 Osprey crash.   Why does the MC need to be so shady about this? http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/04/v-22-crash/

    • Devanteg594237

      They are trying not to ruin their image to the public they’re the kind of people that care to much about their image and to try and not to ruin it because of a incident, that’s all they care is their image.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    If the only thing that runs through your mind when you run into a Marine is
    what you can do to him as opposed to what you should do for him then you
    are right; there is indeed a leadership problem. That leadership problem is you.

    LtCol Mike Grice

  • Devanteg594237

    Can anyone compare the 1960′s Marine Corps to the modern day Russian Army. Back then The marine corps always would train someone to the point of breaking down, and included the use of hazing to believe to make the recruits stronger men. It doesn’t work it only leans toward fear and resentment to that group they train them to not hold mercy against the people they kill, related to the Haditha massacre, improper treatment of the people in the Haiti occupation June 28th of 1915, pissing on dead bodies??? that’s only giving the people in Afghanistan to hate us more. They may see us as liberators but that incident is what the Taliban would use as propaganda to recruit more people in through their ranks. Comparing to the Russian Army which has always used brutality against its recruits even rape as a way to break them of their past life and let them know who owns them. If you take a look at their history the mass rape of Germans in WWII, the mass murder and rape of civilians during the Soviet- Afghan war (1979-1989) it would be pretty obvious that the fear and anger that they had in their basic training or boot camp they would take it out on the civilians. Which only led to the civilians feeling the same oppression that they felt. Brutality is linked to people who think they want the best for someone but don’t crap about what they think is best for themselves, they would only become a mindless drone who can’t think for themselves and when leadership is gone, then what? They relied on leadership but even the leader doesn’t know what to do as if murder and rape is a answer to any question, they would make things too simple with no detail and even if someone asked for detail they would accused of questioning orders and be called out a traitor. Even if it was to get a better perspective, the Marine Corps can never learn to get their head out of their ass and look at reality it’s grim their are to stuck up in their own image and so concerned about defending their image it would basically blind them of any tactical choice in the matter risking many casualties and trying to go back for dead men. When they can’t learn the lesson “When someone’s dead they’re dead, going back out for them is just going to be any dead person on the team and the numbers will vastly build up”.  

    • Madmike19682003

      i know that in 1969 over 42% percent of new marines were high school dropouts. the training is not to produce warriors…it’s to make slaves. it’s not to make men….it’s to make sheep. how much combat training did you get in boot camp and mct? very little it was all working parties,close order drill and brain washing. the marine corps had no boot camp prior to 1911. training was done ojt at your first unit. in ww1 boot camp was 6 weeks long. in ww2 it fluctuated between 4 and 8 weeks. yeah it’s true check it out. in 1966 boot camp was cut to 8 weeks plus a 2 week infantry school after that.

      • Devanteg594237

        They’re always in such a hurry to prove themselves to everyone, but it never works out in the end, because of the their so called “Warrior tradition” psshhh neanderthals. 

  • mowedyourmomslawn

    Pretty sure I took the first orders available out of Japan to escape the infamous liberty policy, but of course the Marine Corps always gets the last laugh. Insert the new MCAS Miramar MAG11 Force Protection Policy. Different words, but same old shit.

  • Terminal Lance

    It’s not the Marine Corps Policy’s that are bad it’s the little cool kid clicks that get together and haze and insult the said un-cool kids into not careing therefore weaking unity and combat strength

  • Terminal Lance

    Now on the other side of the coin the boots we got when i was geting out were unbeliveble they talk shit to senior combat marines saying I’ll call hazing you can’t touch me. It was crazy when i was a boot i only talked when spoke to and did everything i was told and still got fucked with hazed and beat-down there has to be fear and respect of leadership but it has to exist in a middle ground not for no reason but dulled out to one shit head boot so the others fall in line

    • Madmike19682003

      “fear leadership”? fuck that. i joined to defend america not serve some pathetic old man. i can’t respect you if you don’t respect me. it has to be a 2 way street. plus the discipline should revolve around doing your duty not mindless obedience to a government bureaucrat in uniform. that being sad most of the bullshit hazing and abuse i saw was at the hands of other non rates.

      • Terminal Lance

        I agree that respect should be a 2 way street all the way but respecting leadership should exist not telling them to fuck off im not gonna do that ill call hazing thats bullshit the new BooTs don’t fear the Hammer cause it doen’t exist anymore thats what i was trying to say and yes clicks rule the USMC and it’s bullshit

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NSBFIM7D63F2HQCLHXW2KSPBLY Maxwell

        testing

  • Maxspen

    aadsasdasasd

  • Maxspen

    that’s crazy

  • Semper HUH?

    To ihateDIs89
    No one will be charge with perjury.  Don’t let movies like “A Few good men” blind you or anyone else on this web sight.  The military doesn’t have that much power.  One thing I’ve learned since I’ve been in (the Marines) is that leadership tries to keep things down at the lowest level.  Why do you think that is?  It doesn’t matter if you are in the military, you stil have rights as a U.S citizen.  The chain of command is something that military personnel doesn’t have to use.  You can go stright to congress if you wanted to with no retribution.  If anyone tries to punish you or even says anything, then they are wrong.  People like this need to be reported.

    We were told the other day by our C.O. that the Marine Corps is in big trouble with congress.  This is because of all the stupid shit like what you went through  has been going on throughout the Marine Corps.  I knew at some point that the Marine Corps would step on it’s own dick.  If the Marine Corps doesn’t change its ways, I don’t see it lasting to the end of this century.

    • Dtyjdtj

      semper fi dumb ass

  • Dra_king

    get a life marines are the best..it sperate men from boys

    • Madmike19682003

      learn to spell. and the men say “fuck this stupid shit” and leave while the boys get motarded and stay.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      are you serious right now? ‘face palm’

    • ihateDIs89

      It’ll do some separating all right…it will separate you from any scintilla of self esteem you ever had.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    I took this picture on Thursday at the aquarium.  Me thinks it is funny :)

    • ihateDIs89

      Funny and weird.

  • Chyco893

    Marine Corps seems so cliche’. Maybe because of movies etc.

    I know im late with this, since i barely watch tv( alot of dumb crap on television ) but i recently seen the Katy Perry video and i had to chuckle to myself. I started to feel a little pissed and upset because i felt and thought to myself ” Are there gonna be a bunch of females wanting to enlist allbof a sudden, falling for the B.S”.
    The video seems very suspect to me. A lot more than a coincidence. I really wonder if it’s USMC propoganda to get females to enlist.

    Plus you guys were right. I met this marine in the barbarshop about not too long ago. The guy seemed like a jerk. Calling the other service branches gay n all this other crap.
    but just had to let that out.

    I keep getting told the airforce is my best option. I feel so. Ima gona stick to that.

    I also, went to the V.A hospital in baltimore with my.moms bf who was also a marine and it was kinda sad. Some ov em were a F’ed up. Some of those guys can’t stand the government. Saying they screwed with their veterans assistance or sumthin of that nature. Their war stories are interesting too.

    Thnkx for the info, on the story i posted. It helped a lot. Kept me from making a big mistake. I was jus going thru a phase n not thinking things through.

    • Veteran2011

      if u think the air force is way easier yes there is some perks on living conditions but its still the military there will be bad leaders in the air force it depends on ur job if ur going to be a desk monkey u probably have a cake career if u keep ur nose clean just letting u know from an airforce veteran oh and dont believe the hype you dont have to be SMART TO JOIN AIRFORCE i have meet plenty of low scoring asvab ppl in the air force they become either MPs(SFS in air force terms) or Cooks flipping burgers(Services) i have meet a couple that were great workers just scored low in differnt career fields. EVERYTHING DEPENDS ON YOUR JOB AND BASE AND MANAGMENT if your not 100%percent commited to military stay out you will be much happier if not prepare to be a drunk thats always pissed but you signed the contract

  • Devanteg594237

    Has anyone seen Jarhead or Full Metal Jacket? Those movies display most of the reality of the Marine Corps, but from the narrators perspective he believed that the Marine Corps command in the Gulf war was screwed up. Then those people who served with him called him mental because they believed war was getting to him, no one was sure what to believe. Then Full Metal Jacket, an accurate representation of the 1960′s Marine Corps, everyone was constantly hazed especially Pvt. Pyle. It got so bad it just lead to him committing suicide and killing the drill instructor. Belittling and beating your troops is not going to make them tougher, it’s only a clear example of poor leadership as if someone would actually enjoy it. 

  • Awesomolimone

    Where is the similitude for the corps? in what other way of life, hobby or profession do you get screamed at by men with raspy voices and expect to learn something? does this somehow make you tougher? i cant imagine my judo teacher doing to this to me and thinking i am going to get better or understand him. In a war the screams will not sound like those raspy morons, so if they really want to simulate war, then why not hire some people to act injured and go through scenarios and learn something rather than stand on line for hours at a time holding a footlocker expecting to be motionless for hours or doing some useless drill and facing movements for hours and hours but very little actual wartime techniques.

  • Aafgare

    fuck u all the marines rock

  • Gimmethablunt

    I fuken hate firewatch! It serves absolutely no purpose other then to waste my time! Honestly, what duz walking in circles for 4 hours accomplish?!

  • Astucky

    I have waited three fucking months to get my admin Sep through and I finally get my ten day letter and my command has their head so packed full of green shit that they don’t have any of my shit straight, I go to ipac only to find out that I have to go back to s1 so I can tell those admin pog ass bitches to send my shit, I’m scrambleing around like a chicken with my fucking head cut off trying to basically do my commands job for them so I can just be set free and be a normal person again. I would love to completely fuck over my whole command. They are like a bunch of corrupt mob bosses in Cammies… Hopefully I successfully do their job for them so I can go home on my normal date FUSMC

  • Sergemeister

    I served in the MC for 4 years, during that time I was assigned to a CPAC as an 0121 – I was assigned a goddamned cubicle… “fine” I says. “I’ll just work my ass off and someone will notice that I belong somewhere else”. One day my time to shine came – there needed to be audits done, pay rectified, incentives calculated, awards typed and payments disbursed. I took care of all of that shit with one other Marine overnight. OVER-FUCKING-NIGHT. So I received a NAM – that’s right a Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal. Jealousy and general hatred was exhibited by all in the CPAC. God forbid that anyone be rewarded for their hard work and dedication. I guess I should have just went to the barracks and fucked off the night drinking beer and what-have-you instead of taking care of the things that are most important to Marines that are on the front lines like their leave, awards and especially PAY. 

    So like all other shops in the Corps, where one Devil Dog gets the pat on the back deservedly enough, the rest turn that Marine into the black sheep. The black sheep is now given extra duties like going to Squadron and Shop to conduct audits all by himself. One Colonel sees the true grit and determination of this black sheep and makes a change. He makes this one Marine the liason between the CPAC and the MAG. Meaning that I took the bullshit before it hit the fan. 

    Where CPAC would fuck you out of days, weeks and even months of pay – I would hold you back. I would make the change seem so fucking minimal that you never knew that they were taking the pay back. They’re the ones that overpaid you right? Fuck them. 

    You rate an award but your gunny says no? Fuck your gunny I run it anyways and when your gunny comes to complain I tell the SgtMaj. That’s how I roll.  

    You’ve got leave and you want to use it? Check. Go on leave. Enjoy yourself. When you get back I’ll only charge your leave balance half of what you actually took. Maybe less if I feel good that day. 

    Can’t get out of your shitty lease? I’ve got you covered. You’re going TAD next week for 5 days but hey! you’re out of your lease. 

    When it came to standing duty, I would stand duty for Marines on holidays; Christmas? check, Thanksgiving 96? Check. I did it all. Go have your fun Marines! Terminal Lance has this shit. 

    Who’s assigned to transporting prisoners? Marines? I’ll fucking do it – and I’ll treat them like human-fucking-beings too! 

    Taking Marines to the hospital a state away? I’ll drive them – and I’ll do it so fucking fast that they’ll have the rest of the day to just fuck about.

    Got into a car crash somewhere in Mexico and now you’re scared that the unit will find out and NJP the shit out of both of you because you deploy in 2 days? I’ve got you covered. I pick you up myself and take you to a city hospital where you’re checked out- no harm no foul. 

    This system is put in place as a control, it runs like a business, they don’t care what you have done. 

    They don’t care that your cheating bitch of a wife left you and your kids the day you came back from a 18 month deployment after depleting your accounts and maxing out your credit cards with some asshole. 

    They don’t care that you won’t be able to pay your bills on time. 
    They don’t care that your shit will be repo-ed.
    They don’t care that your credit will be fucked. 
    They don’t care what you did in Iraq or Afghanistan.
    They don’t care that you are missing that leg or other appendage.
    They don’t care that you’re missing friends. 
    They don’t give two-shits that Marines have died.All they care about is the bottom line. Having the system working.They take awards and leave days away that they accidentally gave you.They do it without wondering how it will affect you. Well for 3 years I abused the system through every loophole and Maradmin that I could. 
    However shady, it was legal enough. I knew my shit better than most.
    I was under constant attack from the CO and XO. Constant attack from the CPAC.But I had a SgtMaj and a 1stSgt that knew I did it for one reason and one reason only;I did it for the Marines. 

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      Thts fuckin awesome, its nice seeing a man who fought this corrupt corporation and could actually do something about it! I applaud you!

    • Rickboy77

      TELL IT REVEREND! I served 12 yrs in the Marine Corps and finally said enough is enough. I miss the good times, err uh, what I miss is the illusion that is
      Driven in your skull since T-1 at boot camp. Webwill call them “they”. Well “they” want you to believe that the USMC is this big happy hunky dory family where life is sweet and everyone has each others back because we have this unspoken code of “core values”. Even my 12 yr old daughter can smell bull shit on that one. When I left I was was completely fed up from everything I saw and put up with, not to mention what was swept under the rug while I was on recruiting duty.

      However,(pause for effect) the only thing I would change is that I would have never gotten married. It’s not perfect and we all know this.

  • Madmike19682003

    give me a “HELL YEAH”!!!! if you love trolling motards on youtube.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      HELL YEAH
      I do it all the time, then I tell them to come here lol

      • Madmike19682003

        lol!! but most motards are either pogues or they were never in at all. that last group is kinda weird.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          That’s my FAVORITE group!  It’s even better when someone believes they’re an expert on the military because their (insert family member here) was in (insert branch here).  This makes them competent to speak on any and all military related matters.

          • Madmike19682003

            i think the idiots who are gonna go in the marines but are still in high school or college are the most delusional and militant when you say something unflatering about the marines.

  • Devanteg594237

    You know the Marine Corps is all image and they always like putting down the Army. Since when was the last time the Marine Corps pulled a successful operation that didn’t fail, besides WWII in the Pacific. The U.S Army 3rd infantry division had to wait 6 days for the USMC to arrive into Baghdad but by that time Saddam Hussein had already escaped. And there was a river they were supposed to cross and I believed it was the river into Nasiriyah. And with there amphibious assault vehicles they weren’t able to even cross the river which led to the self named town. Why were they spending 24hrs just trying to lay out a bridge, and the battle of Fallujah guess what? They lost it the first time and waited half a year to retake it back and when they did they had to call the Army to take it back for them. Then afterwards everyone gave credit to the Marines and barely mention the Army. The USMC always try to blame half of their issues on the Army just because the Army had more successful operations of tearing down the enemy and making sure they can’t come back. The USMC is made of nothing but narcissists that always blame the Army, when the Army always protects the nation and they actually treat the recruits like men instead of little kids. So, always give some credit to the Army they actually do more than the Marines and they have the audacity to say that the Army doesn’t do crap.  

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      If what you say is true about all these things the army did and the marine corp screwed up is true, id love to see references! Not an attempt to disregard your post but i want even more ammunition to use against all the brainwashed motards in my platoon.

      NEVER FI

      • Devanteg594237

        My various sources is experience from veterans, watching the Iraq war, sites on the internet, old war films, my great uncle who was in Vietnam said the Marines screwed up bad, not as disrespect but they let Khe Sanh fall into the hands of the NVA  . Somehow I just knew the Marine Corps was acting like they took all the credit, It was like the Marine Corps shit don’t stink when everyone’s does. Also watch the video on Youtube Semper lie, it will tell the complete truth about what the USMC is.  

        • Madmike19682003

          there was a popular joke during the vietnam war. “what is the best weapon the communist’s have for killing young american men? answer:the marine corps”

          • Devanteg594237

            Really? Never heard that before I could look it up.

        • SgtFury

           A friend who is now a warrant officer in the Army and did 12 years in the Marines related how the Corps royally fucked up during the 1st wave into Iraq in ’03. I already knew about the tank they lost (!), and some other BS, but to think the retards in Quantico thought just in time delivery for supplies would work in a war zone is the icing on the cake. It’s the main reason why the Army was waiting on the Marines outside Baghdad. In typical blowhard Marine fashion two colonels were relieved of command because they wouldn’t take some bridge or whatever. Turns out they didn’t have the supplies to get there, but were punished for it, anyway. 

          There’s a Military.com article about a Reserve TOW platoon from Miami who were given shitty equipment in Kuwait before the 1st wave went in; they little time to prepare and no time to scrounge up needed parts, etc. Two or so days into it they dropped their M-16′s due to the fact they ran out of ammo, and picked up whatever weapons they could find like AK’s and the like. I think they even got some Iraqi vehicles but can’t remember. What they did was nothing short of heroic but it’s a black eye on the Corps. They couldn’t even supply their own troops during what was (initially) a fairly easy invasion of a foreign country.

          JIT delivery, you gotta be kiddin’ me.   

  • Essence501

    I’m a Lcpl, almost about to hit my 1st year mark out of 5. I’ve come to this site a few times and it’s helped greatly. At times, I feel that the MC is actually the the institution I was looking for when I see some Marines that are actually great leaders, who don’t fuck with you and actually cares what you think. Other times we have the usual motard, or marine that just fucks others or fucks with others. I joined for the brotherhood, self-improvement, and overall experience of being “A Marine.” but all I got was petty chores, a narcissistic leader, and no freedom. Why is this?

    • Madmike19682003

      becuse down deep the usmc is just another government agency. it’s no different from the tsa,post office,fema or dmv. it’s not about protecting america it’s about protecting itself.

      • Essence501

         That’s so messed up. Hopefully someday it’ll change for what it truly should be.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          It would be nice, but the corps resists change with every ounce of strength it has.  Change requires admitting that something is less than perfect.  And of course the marine corps will never admit that it is anything less than the elite-est of the elite, and therefore anything that it does is the pinnacle of perfection.  Or so it would like to believe anyway.

  • Coach1013

    Ok, I’ve come here every once and awhile and read to get a laugh because all that i read is true now i wanna let you guys in on what is going on with me. I was told i am being ad-sep in January and just now got my 10 letter and i tried to plead with the XO to let me stay in for little bit longer because my wife is due in May no sorry so i sucked it up some more and started looking for a job and guess what i found one and it started out at 70Gs a year but since it’s a general discharge under honorable conditionsthey couldnt hire me but i reenlistedbut that made no difference that just made me more angry, now i started to check out and i had to hit up Tricare to check out my wife is due in 3 weeks and all im worried about is her and my kids being covered and i was told today that it depends on what my command gave to me as a code. so tomorow im going to S-1 and find out what the sitution is going to be and i swear to god that if they can not help me out im gonna burn this place down to the fucking ground my first enlistment was great hence the reenlistment but i had to lat move to something else and i had no sort of backing everyone was out for them selfs so i say FUCK YOU MALS 29 FUCK YOU GSE

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      The marine corp is the most selfish and dishonorable thing i have ever dealt with. I truly am sorry they are going to screw you and your wife over, i hate that kind of stuff the most, how this corrupt branch destroys families, marriages, and relationships.

    • Quicksilver2006

      i just have one question what did u do to get an admin sep lol

  • anonymous

    so the 2nd weekend in a row has been cancelled due to lack of time to haze marines during the week. the marines who live in the barracks are on stand by until the bgw comes at 6 o’clock. at which time we’ll turn to field day for inspection at 6 am saturday. marines who don’t live in the barracks turned to libo at 2 in the afternoon. so it’s mass punishment but only if you live in the barracks, LOL. same story last weekend. also I had plans for this weekend that were formed in march. this is the kind of BS you can expect.

    • Madmike19682003

      if anyone should be getting screwed it’s the married dorks who live off base. i mean seriously think how much less money the bachelors are costing the taxpayer. we are talking ten plus thousand dollars a year extra in taxpayer dollars for married people.

      • anonymous

        some of the comments from the “guy in charge” after we “fell out and formed a school circle.” 

        “you can suck my dick”
        “It’s getting hotter. we’ll stand out here til motherfuckers fall out. don’t give a fuck. you ever hear a face hit concrete? sweet sound, it’s pretty funny.”
        “we can’t haze you motherfuckers anymore. so i’ll stand up here and talk all night. don’t give a fuck”
        “we’re not gonna clean to clean. we’re cleaning to learn to do the right thing.”
        “you think i’m gonna field day? you think i’m gonna take trash out? my office would be full of trash if it weren’t for you motherfuckers.”

        a guy was recording it with a device in his breast pocket, LOL. (we new it’d be good because we heard it last week) it cut off at 30 minutes and missed a ton of stuff

        • Hdjdj

          You should put up his speech on YouTube, then give us the name of the video.

        • Madmike19682003

          we need to start getting marines to film hazing,field days,police calls,getting yelled at,abused,libo briefed and all the other dumb shit and start putting that on youtube instead of a buncha dildo’s throwing puppies off cliffs. let young kids see the real marine corps.

        • KFleetMarineLife

           Hey, buddy. Want to give some of that stuff up for us to listen to?

      • Alajdljfkajldfj

        E-5′s and below with no dependents (depending on the command) will not be able to do that anymore.

    • SgtFury

       Field day was such a joke. In MOS school the loser SNCO’s we had had nothing better to do but fuck with us about field day. One friend of mine’s sister drove from 3 states away to see him one weekend, but the mouth breathing SNCO’s at MOS school wouldn’t let him go on libo to see his sister.

      THAT is what you get to look forward to in the Corps, folks, and that happened in early ’95.

  • Devanteg594237

    Speaking a lot about about the Marine Corps, but people tell me what do you think of the Army. Please leave your opinions.

    • SgtFury

       Don’t have a clue, really, other than what two former Marines told me in ’95 at a base in Virgina. They said they’d been buddies in the Corps, got out, then joined the Army and hated it.

      From personal experience having recently lived mere feet from an Army base’s main gate, I can assure you there are more, not less, dirtbags, careerists, etc., in the Army. Not taking away from my Army friends (used to go fishing and exercising with some great Army folks who were drill sergeants on base), but the Army is even more bureaucratic than the Corps. Can’t imagine they’re bigger blowhards, but, who knows. 

      • Devanteg594237

        Yeah kinda true. Heard the Army’s leadership is just as worse as the Marine Corps, I’d almost find that a little not hard to believe. It just seems like that they’ll allow anyone into the Army, but it shouldn’t be that easy. But it does seem like in the Army that they’ll help you with your college degree’s and stuff and better equipment. The thing about the Army is they are to reliant on tech if it breaks down in a nuclear war or something then what are they going to have, what are they going to do “throw boots at the enemy”. The Marines seem to know a little better on improvising their equipment if it breaks down I’ll give them credit for that.

        • Madmike19682003

          tell that to the national guard. they take our hand me down gear when we don’t want it. lol

          • Devanteg594237

            Haha, the national guard is for people who couldn’t make the cut in the Army. But the national guard serves its purpose. 

          • Madmike19682003

            depends on the unit. the army and air guard have special units too that are a cut above. but to be honest when people ask me “whose tougher marines or soldiers?” i say neither. it’s a stupid question and the best answer is it’s all up to the INDIVIDUAL man or women. i spent 4 years in the corps and worked with all branches and i met a helluva lotta soldiers i’d rather have backing me up in combat than a lotta marines i served with. and people join the reserves for many reasons. one of those reasons is they don’t need the regular military for anything. they want to serve but they are a success in civilian life and don’t want to put it on hold. personally i have a soft spot in my heart for reservists and guardsmen as i feel they often are a better class of people than active duty guys. remember it takes way the fuck more discipline to be a success in college than the marines. what you see in the recruiting commercials and boot camp is not real discipline it is a show of discipline.

          • Devanteg594237

            A least they don’t try to brainwash you into something you’re not in the Army. There are more opportunities in the Army than the Marine Corps, they at least allow you to succeed above everyone else in the Army. In the Marine Corps it seems like they just like keeping people in one position. I heard that a non commissioned officer after a twenty year contract would only come out as a Gunny. 

          • SgtFury

            You guys bring up some great points. Some of the ‘tards who re-enlisted when I was in tried doing lateral MOS moves (lat moves). It has to be in the contract, though, and not once did I meet someone who was allowed to do it who was active duty. Basically, you’re stuck after primary MOS school, and right through to retirement, unless you get a secondary MOS that’s worth something. Besides the sundry reasons why I didn’t stay in, that was a huge one for me. The Corps wants you stuck in an MOS, and they want you to be miserable.

            I met active and reserve Army folks who were proficient in their jobs and pretty sharp in their own right, and the same holds for the Corps, but I hate to say it, the majority of people I met in the service really weren’t all that great at their jobs, in fact by ’98 it seemed like fewer and fewer people had a clue, and it was chronic throughout the ranks. The general attitude was if you met the bare minimum requirements, you got promoted on time, etc. So proficiency in a job doesn’t matter much in a lot of the units in the Corps, and probably most of the MOS’s.

            Somebody brought up reliance on technology. In the grand scheme of things the Corps was stuck in the dark ages when I was in. All of the Humvees were hand me downs from the Army, and were crappy (besides the fact they’re a crappy design to begin with, mainly that junk engines). The 900 series 5 tons didn’t even have air dryers on them, costing the Corps thousands of man hours in repairs on brake systems. The repair equipment for the vehicles was stuck in about 1960. My unit overseas was so retarded they didn’t even have air/impact wrenches, meaning everything had to be done by hand and with brute strength. The “leadership” were OK with this, to include the two boot lieutenants we had. The so-called shop chief wouldn’t allow the mechanics to use air tools (the ones which worked before they finally broke). That outstanding example of Corps leadership is now a warrant officer.

            Very few people knew how to do spreadsheets on the computer, how to manipulate them, create them, etc. Things were just terribly inefficient. Simple stuff like spreadsheets would have made my job easier, but as usual Corps bureaucracy and the “leadership” always got in the way. We were allowed to use one computer in our work section, and it was only for ordering parts. Outside maybe 04xx MOS folks few people cared about any training related to computers, or how things could be run better and more efficient using programs like Word and Excel. The few within my MOS who were computer literate had the “keys to the kingdom” attitude, meaning they wouldn’t allow anyone outside their little crew of career ‘tards learn anything about the computers, create an account, etc. That type of control freak mentality is common in the Marines.

          • Devanteg594237

            Wow you make a good point, but still the Army does a good job. They just accept anyone in the Army, at least in the Marine Corps they put a limit on who can join.

          • Madmike19682003

            that limit is cosmetic and literally matches the army step by step. it is always just a tiny bit above army standards. the difference is miniscule but it always lets the corps brag that the marine corps has higher standards.

          • Devanteg594237

            If I had to put them on a political spctrum: Marine Corps- Left wing, Army- Right wing

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Madmike definitely has that right, some of these “higher standards” include: “Meet exacting physical, mental and moral standards.” While in reality most marines have no moral standards at all, and their “exacting” mental standard is to score at least a 32 on the ASVAB, beating the armies minimum score of 31.

            Their higher standards are pretty much just for show.

          • Devanteg594237

            I heard that if someone with a GED takes the ASVAB in the Army they have to score a 50, in the Marines it’s the same score standard of 32.

          • Veteran2010

            dont forget the AGR guys they get the same benefits as active duty but arnt moving every five seconds to somewhere else must be nice i meet a bunch of puerto rican AGR soldiers they enjoy  living in paradise all the time

  • alcoholism101

    Looking for some insight gents, My friend from back home has been in almost 3 years stationed in the asshole of the Marine Corps Okinawa, Japan. He’s within my 2-3 month window of PCS’ing and was involved in a alcohol incident out in town, mainly just breaking the libo policy. He got NJP’d for that and following the thing out in town his command got him for being UA because he was late to work a couple months prior. He has some sort of a sleeping problem but medical hasn’t been able to find out what it is, now they’re trying to AdSep him for a pattern of misconduct with an OTH. When he was late he was put on 24hr post every Saturday for 2 months, technically hazing right?(Duty can’t be used as a punishment, and there has been some other shady shit too) He told me he is writing a letter to his Congressman and Senator and is requesting mast to the CG. What is the likely hood that he will stay in? The unit he is with has gone on a rampage and have had like 10 NJP’s in 2 months 6 or more pending AdSep’s and is in my mind fucking him sideways. Any advice?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      It’s true that there’s a legitimate hazing charge there, since as you said, duty can’t be used as a punishment.  Right now it’s kind of a toss up, because they do have paperwork on issues that he is guilty of, but there’s also evidence that the command was out to get him and treating him unfairly.

      I would recommend that you get on Skype with him, and work out exactly what he’s going to say to the CG, and go over what he’s going to say to his Congressman and Senator.  A lot of the time what you say isn’t as important as how you say it.  Make sure that you mention that the unit has been been using NJP and turning to AdSeps considerably more often than usual to reinforce that this isn’t just one marine whining.

      Safety and Peace

  • Kyle_baggett3000

     It’s not the Marine Corps and if we are honest with ourselves a lot of
    us will realize that we actually love the Marine Corps.  How could we
    not?  We chose her and then we earned her, and no one who has ever been
    to Parris Island or San Diego and gotten even just a small taste of the
    Marine Corps will ever be the same.  We will be better.

    The Marine Corps image is strong (physically, mentally, and emotionally)
    men, and even women.  That is also the type of place it is supposed to
    be and unfortunately too few people in the Corps make her that way.  The
    Marine Corps isn’t supposed to be a place where you go and are
    successful because you are good at PT, success in the Corps is supposed
    to be measured by how you carry yourself and how well you lead. 
    Leadership is very vital to the Marine Corps.  Leadership is also what
    is currently stinking up the Marine Corps, and the other branches as
    well.  The Army has never been what the Corps is, no branch has and this
    is why the Corps is special, but the Army’s honor has been marred by
    the retards that run her today.  She used to be beautiful, I’m not sure
    what went wrong with the Army I am not there so it’s really not for me
    to say.  That was just a side note, back to the Corps and what’s
    stinking it up.

    Let’s start at the beginning with the Recruiters.  Recruiters are liars,
    plain and simple.  They have a quota to reach.  This was not the case
    with me, I called the recruiter and they didn’t even have to try to
    persuade me.  It was what I wanted and I regret that now but I can make
    no excuses or blame anyone for my decision.

    Then you move on to boot camp.  Boot camp is awesome.  I mean it sucks,
    and it’s miserable, but some of the finest men become Drill Instructors
    and they will inspire you.  I didn’t say they will motivate you, I said
    they will inspire you.  Some shit bags slip through the cracks and
    become Drill Instructors, and really it’s probably not fair to call them
    shit bags for several reasons.  For one boot camp is a high stress
    environment so Drill Instructors can crack, too, resulting in a black
    and blue recruit, but they are only human beings and they can only take
    so much.  For another reason your typical Drill Instructor LOVES the
    Marine Corps and they would never do anything to taint her.  Some,
    though, get caught banging people they shouldn’t be banging.  Again, I
    would never judge them for that personally, but in the Marine Corps
    there are standards and those strong men and women they want simply
    would not be sticking stuff where it doesn’t belong.  Is that too high
    of a standard?  Yes.  Is it impossible to reach?  No.  But drill
    instructors are not liars, and ultimately they believe what they teach recruits.  Recruits believe in it, too.  And so they should, because the Drill Instructors have it right, and they are the ones who know exactly what the Marine Corps should be and what it is not.  Drill Instructors, more than anybody, see the Corps as their “beloved Corps.”

    Boot Camp was long and miserable but you’re a better man, or woman, because of it.  Now it’s time to move on to MCT.

    MCT was cold and miserable and you hated your life.  If you went in the summer time then it was hot, but at least you can feel your toes two months after the fact.  MCT instructors have a lot of heart since they’ve done a lot of deployments and still reenlisted and it means a lot to them to teach young Marines how to survive in combat.  They’ve also lost a number of friends so them being an asshole is justified, the harder they are on you the more likely you are to get it right and do it right if that crucial life or death moment ever comes across your path.  Love them or hate them, if you listened to them you will survive.

    By now MOS school rolls around.  It’s a whole lot calmer than anything you’ve done so far but you still have a few instructors who are moto as fuck for some reason and blast your ass when you don’t stand at parade rest.  You also have asshole instructors.  You also have cool instructors.  Everything is cheery the first week, you are meeting people, laughing, talking, cussin, buying smokes, dip, chew, candy, new clothes at the mall.  Then Thursday comes around and you get introduced to field day.  Field day = WTF.  Cleaning your room isn’t that bad, but cleaning for five hours and still having someone come in your room and fail you and take your Saturday morning away from you?  Whoa, hold a sec.  Was this in the contract?

    I’ve taken you through each phase so far except for the fleet.  I’ve done this mainly because I’ve ran into a majority of my problems in the fleet.  I actually ran into them sooner since I was in Com school first and that lasted about six months, so I already had a pretty good idea of the bull shit and the dick heads before I failed out and got a new MOS and ultimately joined the fleet Marine Corps.  Actually to be perfectly honest as an adept I could see through the recruiters bull shit.  I asked why he sat the way he did, with his back straight and his shoulders rolled back.  He said that this is confidence and that the Marine Corps teaches confidence and how men sit, and do other things I’m sure.  Bad definition of confidence, but maybe he didn’t have confidence before he joined.  But fuck it I thought, I don’t have to be like that, and military people aren’t generally bright anyways.  I realized as an adept at MEPS sitting in a Gunny’s office being told by said Gunny that I couldn’t go to boot camp open contract, right before I got on a van to boot camp that had two or three recruits open contract from the same MEPS as me, that no body in the Marine Corps gives a fuck about you.  I also re-experienced this on 29 Palms when a Master Sergeant more or less belittled me (tried to, but I have thick skin so fuck him) for failing out of Com School after I put on the table that I’m really bad with school and had a hard time in college before I joined the Corps.  Now, this mighty Marine Corps that stresses leadership is tainted by arrogance.  Arrogance isn’t a leadership trait.  This arrogant prick, instead of taking my position into account, gave me a fuck you.  In the end I was still assigned a new MOS, the Master Sergeant told me I don’t have the mental aptitude for electronics and was willing to bet I hadn’t even read a dozen books in my life time.  He also told me he thinks I’m a dreamer.  He also characterized me with the qualities of one who has ADD while arguing against my claim that I have ADD and that I’m having a hard time in the class room because of it.  Now, this is coming from a student who would go back to the class room during his chow break, and stay late when it wasn’t required, trying to learn his MOS.  Either I don’t rate sympathy in the Marine Corps, or it’s leaders need to be given a reality check.

    About the fleet.  Never have I seen a more miserable group of people.  A female said, “It never gets better, you just get used to it.”  Tou-fucking-che, sister.  And really I’m not used to it, and given my activities outside of work I have definitely “failed to adapt” to the Marine Corps’ ways.  But the Marine Corps is perfect the way she is, she shouldn’t waver or change, people should change for her.  I said at the beginning, if we are honest with ourselves most of us love her.  But when you take this equation and add people, flawed and fallible, it’s a complete game changer.  You signed your name in ink, may as well have been in blood.  In the fleet, you still field day, have retarded formations, that never goes away.  I do paper work, I signed a contract for a paperwork job in the Marine Corps thinking I was about to start a great career.  I didn’t wanna go to school but I didn’t wanna work at McDonalds, or dig ditches, or paint houses.  I’ve painted my work building inside and out.  I’ve dug holes, planted trees, done tons of shit I signed up to avoid doing.  I have nightmares about sandbags (not literally).  NCO (Non Commissioned Officer) = Power trip from hell.  And the worst part is, you can’t say no, you are just stuck, in a void or a purgatory, or God forbid an abyss, and a deep one at that.  You will do the stupidest shit in the Marine Corps and all because someone with power and authority they don’t know how to use says so.  And don’t for one second think that they are out there helping, hellllll no.  They are inside, every now and then poking their head out telling you it looks like shit.

    Your Staff NCO will yell at you, your Sergeant will yell at you, they will belittle you (but not if you have thick skin like me, in which case shit just pisses me off), you can never be as good as they are.  When you fuck up it’s, “What the fuck?” or something to that nature, but when they fuck up it’s, “Hey we all fuck up.  You fuck up, I fuck up, the people over me fuck up, no one is perfect.”  Along with arrogance, the Corps has been tainted with excuses.   If you have rank you can get away with being a jack ass because they have developed a form of back wards logic that bends around taking responsibility for their actions.  And they still don’t give a fuck about you.  People in the military are self absorbed.  Either they hate the shit and do the bare minimum or care only about their next rank.  No one.  Gives a fuck.  About you.  That’s the way the whole world works, but in the Marine Corps you are at mercy of someone’s, a someone who doesn’t give a fuck about you, will.

    The hardest thing, though, is knowing that I am not maximizing on my time long term.  I’m at a stalemate.  I can take college courses and inch my way to a degree, but when I get out I won’t be much closer than I was before I joined.  I can’t go out and do whatever the fuck I want every night.  When I “clock out” I’m still working because you’re a Marine 24/7 and I live in the barracks where I have to carry myself as a Marine would.  It isn’t like I thought it would be, Marines getting along in the office, joking, being men when the women are away, and then going home to your normal life.  No.  Being a Marine 24/7 doesn’t mean your Marine morals, it means that at any point of any day something may come up i.e. formations at 2 am on a Saturday morning.

    We did this to ourselves, gents.  I know that’s not what people wanna hear, and I fucking hate hearing it, too, but it’s time I face the truth.  I did this shit to myself.  Had I known then, what I know now, I wouldn’t have but that doesn’t change anything.  What’s done is done.  Just stick it out, get your post 9/11 which has some AMAZING benefits to it and at the end of your term if you still hate it get out and don’t look back.  But we must endure, because if we can endure the “prison term” that we volunteered for we can endure anything that life throws at us.  Do it for you, and don’t hate the Corps, don’t even hate the people, just hate the fact that people are fallible and arrogant and people ruin things because of it.

    You owe it to yourself to adapt and overcome.  Whether you adapt to the ways of the Corps, or just develop some sort of moonlight life on the side when you are away from work, do what you gotta do.  And if you are a motivator, stay motivated, Devil Dog.

    Semper Fidelis

    • Kyle_baggett3000

       I meant to cover one other point.

      I have been in my unit nine months and no one at work, especially those appointed over me, know anything about me as a person outside of work.  No one has asked me about myself or what makes me tick or what I think about the Marine Corps and about the command.  Simply, I do not matter to these men, and neither does my opinion.  No one has attempted to “better me,” and this is okay because the more the Marine Corps teaches me about leadership the more I realize I’m not learning anything I didn’t already know before I joined.  I will continue to do my part, it just sucks a large cock knowing that I could be doing so much more were I not so limited by the military I joined thinking I could help expand and expand as a person.

      • veteran2010

        damn u joined wishing u got that much out of the military and them caring about u lol they care if u dont show up or are failing them cuz then ur not working thats about it man u might make a couple friends here and there but  remember in the military ur just a number 

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I had a long night last night, and I’m still kinda tired, so I might be missing something entirely, and if I am I apologize in advance; but it seems to me that you’ve countered every point you’ve tried to make.

      You’ve mentioned how the marine corps is perfect the way it is and shouldn’t change, and then gone through a list of things that are wrong with it.  As you said, “I could be doing so much more were I not so limited by the military”.  That line by itself shows that there is room for the military to correct itself and improve itself.  You say you love the corps, but then you say “Had I known then, what I know know, I wouldn’t have [joined]“.

      I’m sorry but it seems to me that you’re trying to draw some imaginary line between the marine corps and the people that comprise it that simply does not exist.  Furthermore, it feels like you’re trying to in some way validate your own service while not agreeing with multiple aspects of the marine corps.  If I’m off in left field somewhere please let me know, but that’s essentially what I got out of your post.

      Safety and Peace

    • Devanteg594237

      Agreeable the Army used to be great, now it’s only a mere shadow of its former self. It’s like anyone can get into the Army, so easy a caveman could do it. But tell me whose leadership is better the Army or the Marine Corps? I’ve never figured since they both have their ups and downs.

      • Madmike19682003

        i guess that would depend on the individual c.o.

        • Devanteg594237

          It could, I just hear about the what you guys say about the Marine Corps is true. But I’d want to join the branch that has better leadership, so that I feel like my life is going somewhere instead of nowhere.

    • Lemuschristian

      funny i got out of the military in late november 2011 differnt branch but your experience sounds similar to mind minus failing school but u get good leaders u get bad ones and i met alot of bad leaders theres bad ones in the outside too but the thing is less power over your actual life part of me misses the military life the other part doesnt miss all the bs and unpaid overtime lol it gets better man do what most military do drink the pain away or find shit to do moving to a differnt station/post/base is good too

  • Devanteg594237

    Has anyone here seen combat in the Marine Corps? If you have, please tell me about it.

    • Madmike19682003

      desert storm. we had one guy die. he was a mortarman ironically. i joined in peace time and a lot of marines thought we would never see combat so when saddam invaded kuwait and we got orders to go there was a stampede of jarheads headed for the career planner to reenlist in a attempt to get out of the grunts. we even had a guy punch a brickwall to shatter his hand to get out of going. we went thinking it was gonna be like the korean war except in the desert but only saw a few weeks of combat including getting attacked twice by allied troops.

      • Devanteg594237

        Oh, that man must’ve been crazy enough to try to break his hand on a brickwall. Is it really that bad?

        • Madmike19682003

          i wouldn’t hurt myself for the corps because it’s not worth it. that guy did it because he was a coward.

  • Devanteg594237

    Actually I just going to say it. Does anyone know who has better leadership, Army, or Marine Corps. Yeah they both are equally stupid, but in some way their branch leadership has to surpass one another it’s like tug of war for me. I’m being pulled on both sides. And remember LEADERSHIP, which is the ability to lead. If people are getting promoted too early and don’t know what to do if they are attacked that’s bad leadership.

    • Madmike19682003

      the best advice i can give you is this “do not serve with dumbasses”. don’t serve in any unit that allows people with GT scores under 100. do not pick a mos that allows people with GT scores under 100. only serve with smart people. there is no such thing as a elite branch only elite people. don’t look at the branch look at the unit. serve in small units with tough standards.

      • Devanteg594237

        And the Marine Corps call themselves elite, that actually is very helpful thank you. I wonder how females are treated in the Marine Corps?

        • Madmike19682003

          what kind of “elite unit” allows people with i.q.’s around 80 to join? how about people who did time in prison for felonies? people with obvious mental issues? last year the marine corps granted 350 waivers for felons,16 were sex offenders. the marines are not elite by any reasonable military standard, it’s all hype.

          • Devanteg594237

            They allow waivers for sex offenders? WTF!!!! What kind of organization like that allows sex offenders. Well, if they die in combat nobody will miss them.

  • Dylan Harnish

    i want out asap how do i do it

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      That’s kind of a difficult question.  If all you want is out, there are a number of illegal things you can do that will get you kicked out, but you risk a lot of benefits, and you also risk making finding employment more difficult because of your discharge.

      If you’re in the first 180 days of your contract you’re eligible for an entry level discharge, where basically you just quit (If you qualify let me know and I’ll explain further).If you somehow manage to become injured badly you can get a medical discharge (It’s pretty hard to fake this one, it seems like if you try to injure yourself you won’t get discharged out of spite.)

      There’s also such a thing as a “hardship discharge”.  One example of this would be say, if you’re family were to suffer some tragic accident leaving you as the only person to care for your 5 year old brother.  Because this hardship didn’t exist prior to joining, and can’t reasonably be resolved while you’re in the marines, the corps could choose to release you from your contract to allow you to care for your brother.  This one is also near impossible to fake, but should (God forbid) such a thing befall you, I would like you to know it exists.

      Short of all of these things, the main way out is to finish your contract, and try to convince anyone you know back home who may be interested, not to join.  I hope this has been helpful.

      Safety and Peace

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian
  • Iansallas

    you guys are pathetic how about you guys stop wasting your time on people who are putting their life on the line just to protect you and ur rights and grow the fuck up all of you who would even considering disrespecting any branch of the military needs to realize that just cuz you cant see what  their doing doesint mean their not helping your sorry asses

    • Madmike19682003

      i’ve never insulted the people whom put their life on the line to defend this country,hell i was one of those marines. but i will take the time to insult the bureaucracy,incompetence and stupidity of the military as well as self serving lifer careerists who care more about themselves than defending america. and i will speak out against customs and traditions that are as obsolete as the catapult and detract from the armed forces role of protecting america. and in my spare time i will gladly help give advice to young people who need and ask for it.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      You are wrong. Stop doing that. It’s embarrassing.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I have to agree with Civilian, you’re just embarrassing yourself.  You see, over 95% of the people on this site are Active Duty, Reservist, or Veteran marines.  It’s not that we “Can’t see what [they're] doing” it’s that we know that they aren’t doing anything!

  • Alajdljfkajldfj

    Serious Advice for those considering to join. This is coming from my experience in both the USMC (EAS 3 days ago and now a reservist) and civilian world. When you join, know that you will have to put up with some bullshit (if you are unlucky, you’re S.O.L). Don’t expect things to be handed to you just because you were in the military. Yes you do get some benefits but it is up to you to research them and use them. Get your education on your free time while in the USMC and prepare for the civilian world while you’re in. As my 1st Sgt says, ‘Once you leave the USMC, the USMC won’t give two shits about you.’  
    Don’t be the dumbass that tells a recruiter ‘I want to be a Marine first’ and go into some random MOS. If you do, then you will hate life. Lastly, joining the USMC is like playing Russian Roulette, you may go into a shitty unit with shitty leaders or you may get lucky. Don’t count on the best scenarios to happen. 

  • Dnavy89

    THIS FORMER “MARINE” IS TEACHING JROTC AT A HIGH SCHOOL IN NEW JERSEY, THE FUNNY THING IS THAT THERE IS NO RECORD OF HIM SERVING IN THE MARINES. NO DD214, NADA LETS PUT THIS FRAUD ON THE SPOTLIGHT. ALERT ALL VETERAN ORGANIZATIONS AND LET SHINE SOME LIGHT ON THIS IMPOSTOR

  • Dnavy89

    this is a pictur of the cocksucker

  • Mcknmars

    I got out in 2010, got married and first kid on the way, I got out cuz I wanted to choose my wife
    And not be assigned one! Now I want back in!!! I thought getting out was going to be great but it sucks
    Balls!!! Civilian life is horrible, traffic everywhere and grocery stores always packed, it’s a good thing I’m
    Not back in the turret!! Hopefully here soon I’ll be going from irr to active 03 again!

    • Thedude

      “traffic everywhere and grocery stores always packed,” those are your bitches? ROFL I hope they dump you in lejeune

      • Madmike19682003

        i once flew into san diego and almost went postal when the boot marines near me were crying about how tough it was to be stationed at camp pendleton. any marine caught crying like a pussy about being stationed at pendleton deserves a immediate transfer to lejeune that will shut them the fuck up in record time!

    • Madmike19682003

      go to school. there’s this new thing called the post 9/11 gi bill. maybe you have heard of it. seriously take courses that look interesting and fun that will make you feel better and more confident.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    People!  I got my checkout sheet today!  My work on how to get out of the marine corps, will be recommencing shortly!  Stand by to stand by!

    http://ihatetheusmc.com/how-to-get-out-of-the-marine-corps/

    Safety and Peace

    • Madmike19682003

      savor every moment. man that was the funnest week i had in the corps when i got my checkout sheet. i never stood a formation or did shit for a week. lol . but i did help my roommate with field day.

    • anonymous

      congrats! I am jealous and I hope everything goes smoothly for you.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      When you enter the civilian world, do not ever forgot what it was like when you were in.  I remember when I was in, myself and every other guy complained about the bullshit and wanted nothing but to get out.   It has been a couple years since then, and a lot of those guys are talking about how much they loved it and they magically became motivators now that they are out.  A few of them have actually reenlisted, and they were the ones who hated it the most.   Funny how that works out.

      Anyways,  do not be intimidated by the civilian world.  There is so much more for you here to accomplish, go to school (if you want to), start a business or become self employed (if I can do it, you can do it lol). 
        
      I was never a motivator, and I will not become one so I can brag to my family and friends.

      Semper Pi

    • Madmike19682003

      remember what i said on this site earlier. take every government benefit you can because going from the corps back to civvy street is hard just like first showing up at boot camp is hard. going back to school is a chore as it’s like you have not been exercising your brain academically for 4 years. trust me you’ll see when you go to school.

  • Devanteg594237

    How are Atheists treated in the Marine Corps? I ask because I am one.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I think like 77% of marines have “Christian” on their dog tags, but if you go to chapel on sundays you’ll pretty much be alone.  You won’t have any additional problems as an Atheist as long as you don’t make a big deal over the Chaplain doing his job to pray over the troops.

      • Devanteg594237

        I’d try and not to, I have pretty much have scientific beliefs.

  • NJP_Help

    Hi Guys.  I’m having a problem with my Gunny that I hope you can help with.  I’ve been in for a little under 2 years and I’m not a shitbag but also not the best marine either.  Thing is last week I made one mistake and now my Gunny is all over me.  I was outside in smoke pit and I thought no one was around.  Since I just came back from lunch my stomach wasn’t feeling that good.  So I ripped a massive fart.  I mean it went on for like over 10 seconds and actually hurt a little bit.  But anyway my Gunny was actually behind me.  He got the full brunt of my ass gas.  Both chevrons came flying off and his high and tight was blown away.  Now he is going for a battalion level NJP – is this fair to get a njp for accidentelty farting on a snco?  Thanks for the hekp guys.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      When the 1st Sgt or Sgt Maj reads you your rights, and he asks if you would like a lawyer, say yes, then when he asks if you would like to refuse NJP, say yes again.  They don’t have a thing on you that they can charge you for.

      I would also be prepared to pull the hazing card if the Gunny tries to pull some more stupid stuff after you get off the hook for the NJP

      • PerfectScapegoat

        Ninja- anytime someone mentions a fart on a site like this, it’s a troll. This guy is the only one who finds it funny, and it’s invariably the same guy. He did it on Scott Olsen’s site when it was still operating, and he’s been on here a few times. My advice, if you’re still a moderator, is to delete his posts ASAP. Then he’ll go away. He may come back with a different theme, like puking or shitting or something juvenile and just not funny. Not even Three Stooges funny. Just dumb shit like this. If it’s something implausible, it’s this guy.  

        • PerfectScapegoat

          Or am I missing your sense of irony? Is the joke on me?

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            I think you might be right.  It’s the fart guy. I really must express that I am truly impressed with how persistent this guy is. He has been doing this for so long that people know him as “the fart guy”. I think it is funny, it adds to the story of this site.

            “Yeah during the early years of iHateTheUSMC, we used to have this dude that spoke of farts… A lot…”

            lol I am laughing right now just thinking about it

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Thanks for the heads up Scapegoat, I’m not a regular on sites other than this one so I wasn’t familiar with the seemingly infamous fart guy.

  • Dnavy89

    this cocksucker is an impostor

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       I never thought iHateTheUSMC would become a place for people to point out fakers.  This is awesome!  If this dude is indeed an imposter, I hope he gets the boot.  Also, his stach is out of regs lol.

  • Dnavy89

    the cocksucking faggot is a fake marine. He calls himself gunny but all he is is an impostor, a liar, and he should be arrested under the stolen valor act. you cant see it too clearly but he is wearing charlies with a navy cross ribbon. come on, the navy cross, and no dd214

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       All I can see is his face

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

     So I just realized that the Blog,Stories, and FleetMarineLife links at the top of the page are not working properly.  This has been corrected.

    Sorry for the inconvenience.

  • Coach1013

    ok I got my 214 today and i have a question about it if you guys can help! what is my seperation code mean i googled the code but it just beat around the bush just like everything else in the cream corps. 

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      We need to know what the code is to help you.

  • Dnavy89

    here is another picture of this fucking asswipe. he claims to be a former reconnaissance marine and he said he fought with navy seals in the gulf war. lets shine some light on this motherfucker

    • KFleetMarineLife

      It looks like he has a mix of anodized and non-anodized medals. There’s no navy cross on this guy. Any more proof that he’s a phony?

      • dnavy89

        yeah the funny thing is that he only wore the navy cross once, ill see if i can scour his facebook to find the picture

        • KFleetMarineLife

           What”s his name?

          • dnavy89

            i dont know his first name but people call him gunny reyes. this guy even went as far as to claim he was deployed with the seals teams in the gulf war. i asked him for som e proof and he got mad when i asked him to show me a cac card 

          • KFleetMarineLife

             Tell me more

  • dnavy89

    oh and another picture, guess he didn’t feel like wearing his wings today, if he evr earned them. come on all former marines including myself shoud literally fuck this shit out of posers like this guy

    • Coach1013

      whats this dudes name?

    • Thedude

      He rolled better sleeves than most gunnys I knew, guess thats why they did away with rolling sleeves?

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Hey if this guy is REALLY is a fake, we need evidence. So far there is zero evidence to support your claim.

      • Dnavy89

        if he was reitred, he would have some kind of memorablia or pictures at least something. well he doesn’t. i know that its difficult to make a claim without evidence but he basically got mad when I asked him questions about his marine corps career. ill see what else i can find but no former marine would get mad at another marine for simply asking to see some pictures of his corps day.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

          I am sorry to say, but that is just not enough.   Without evidence, you don’t have much on this guy.

        • Madmike19682003

          the best advice i can think of is to complain to the school board and say you have bad feelings about this guy. point out the safety factor…..if he’s lying about this…what else is he lying about? if the school board has any doubts about the guy you know they can damn well find out whats true or not. i am sure headquarters marine corps might help verify his identity.

  • dnavy89

    i dont knwo his first name but people call him gunny reys, he is some kind of celebrity in my town. i approached him at a vet’s day parade and told him i’m a marine as well and he started telling me all these bullshit stories and any marine can sniff out a bullshit story about the corps. i went to the high school where he mentors young kids and asked him to show me pictures of his deployments and time in service and when I did he got mad and told me to leave.

    • Madmike19682003

      i would alert the local media and tell them about your suspicions. also try the local school board.

  • dnavy89

    he told me how one time he yelled at a battalion commander for not promoting a lance corporal and how he got into a fist fight with his company commander after some of the recon guys got into a fight with the regualr 03s. now that to me sounds a lot like heartbreak ridge, just saying

  • Madmike19682003

    so now they want to put women in combat units. man there is gonna be some heavy duty sexual assaults going on! imagine the new initiations for 03′s. a lot of grunts i served with weren’t much better than common criminals.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Isn’t that the truth… but really there are some things you just have to learn for your self, and the marine corps seems set in its desire to have women in the infantry, so until they learn first hand that it’s a bad idea, there’s really nothing we can do except watch and wait for the blowback.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

        never know, it might cause everyone to shape up a little bit too.  we shall see

  • Livefromkhills
    • AngryBoot

      this is fucking hilarious 5/5

  • AngryBoot

    that should be the new female recruitng ad. think of how many katy perrys would join

  • Fuck1stSgt

    How does this website make money?

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       It doesnt

  • Okinawa Inmate

    Hey guys its me, Okinawa inmate. I hope I’m putting this in the right place bc I really want some feed back. So as you know I was incarcerated on okitraz and last month I left that God forsaken place. Well now I’m here in pendleton and I’ve realized that freakin motards are every where you go. The first day I got to my unit I could tell I was gonna hate it. Well life smiled on me and they sent me to camp guard the day I got there. Thank God..its a miracle..Well anyways life is much better. I live with my wife, drive a car, have actual internet and many other things. Only one problem and thats that I’m still in. I want out so damn bad. So I have a few questions I was hoping some of you guys that are out can help me with. Heres some info about myself. My actual EAS date is set for AUG of 2013 so I’ll be under FY13. I wanna put in for 3 months VEERP  and 1 month of terminal leave. So I wanna be out by may 1st of next year.

    How far out from my EAS can I start my out process?
    When can I apply for the VEERP?
    What are the chances I’ll be approved for the VEERP?
    What are some ways I can skate while checking out?
    Do I get any money for med problems caused by the corps?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Hey man, long time no hear,

      I’ve been working on a little piece for the site on how to EAS.  ( http://ihatetheusmc.com/how-to-get-out-of-the-marine-corps/ )

      You can start attending TAPS class anytime within 1 year of getting out, final physicals can be done 6 months out, and Checkout sheets depend upon the unit.

      My SSgt is taking VEERP, I’ll see if I can get a hold of a copy of his VEERP paper, so I can give you an idea for what it needs to look like (I remember it was an exceedingly simple document).  But I’m pretty sure you just need to talk to the Career Planner to get it started.

      From knowing quite a few people who took VEERP, I’m reasonably certain that you’ll be approved.

      Medical problems caused by the corps falls under the VA.  They’ll walk you through the VA disability process during the TAPS brief.  So VEERP doesn’t affect your disability claim.

      As for Skating, I’m sure you’ll figure something out. You’ve had a few years in Oki to sharpen those Skates.

      Safety and Peace

      • Okinawa Inmate

         Hey man thanks for the info. That helps a lot. I can’t wait to see a copy of the VEERP. I like to study things and learn all about them ahead of time. Makes life easier. I was told on oki that I couldn’t leave a month early using leave. Even admin told me that. But with a little digging and research I proved them all wrong and here I sit, in America, 1 month early lol. It was nice leaving there. So I only did a total of 23 months. Thanks again

        • SgtFury

          OI, where were you staioned over there? I was on Hansen 15 years ago and it sucked being so far away from everything, plus the place was full of retards.

          Just curious.

          Oh, and is the standard tour 2 years, now?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Padraig-J-Omeara/1679989090 Padraig J Omeara

       put in for a disablity NOW. go to the doc and complain about your hip your arm whatever hurts. they will give you shit and act like your a pussy and fuck them its your life. If you wait till you get out your fucked. start complaining NOW . you will get rejected probably more than oncce but if you keep working  at it youll get money for the rest of your life.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Hey Civilian, on the stories section, some of the links to related stories still have broken links.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      I reindexed all related posts last night.  Hopefully that solves the problem.

      Thanks for the heads up man!

  • ihateDIs89

    Just dropping by to let everyone know I am STILL waiting on the final outcome/decision on my allegations.  I do know that Washington, DC is now in possession of that decision and is said to be ‘sorting’ through over 300 pages of investigative reports, etc.

    I also know, because I have copies of the investigation, that several more recruits, now Marines, have come forward and told the truth about the abuse delivered by the hands of the DI’s.

    Once again, I want to thank those of you how have supported me during this time.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Thanks for stopping by man! I will add this update to your article for you

  • SemperHopeful

    Hey guys. I am a new Cpl of Marines and just wanted to say that on the behalf of the NCO’s that caused you guys to become demotivated I am very sorry. Also I wanted your input on what your leadership did that made you guys demotivated. Obviously every marine was motivated at one point of their enlistment or they wouldn’t have made it out of boot camp. Just trying to make sure that I take care of my Marines the right way…    

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Welcome to the site

    • Madmike19682003

      for me it was being hazed as a boot marine. it was also being fucked with because i came from a upper middle class background and didn’t drink alcohol or brag about sexual conquests. yeah i told them a few good college stories but i feel it’s wrong to name names and that set a few of them off. i would imagine the corps is probably better know than when i was in because of individual rooms and a drinking age of 21. the rest is stuff above your paygrade like inspections,spit and polish,bureaucratic dumbshit,etc,etc.

    • anonymous

      don’t be a dick. 

    • Sergemeister

      The biggest problem for me was having older Marines trampling new ideas. You have long-standing ways of doing things and they are not always the most efficient. Listen to your Marines; they know more about what’s going on than you think. At least some of them do. They can teach you a thing or two. It took me a very long time before I had enough clout to show higher-ups that my methods were better than the old way of doing things. After they realized how much simpler and better my methods were, I was placed in charge of re-analyzing turnover and other teaching materials.

      Regardless there are still those who will not listen to reason, there are people that don’t see themselves at Marines but rather the “idea” of a Marine. They act like assholes because they feel that’s what they have to do. It’s like the whole PT thing. If you don’t do it better than most you’re less of a Marine? I don’t believe so. Each Marine is a Marine regardless. Like you said we all got through Boot Camp. We all serve a purpose and a good NCO will take his Marines and put them in positions where their talents are best used. 

    • EASorBust

      I was an NCO and i hate the Marine Corps as much as the next guy, and it’s not because of demotivation asshole its because the entire organization is a joke. And i’m sure all the motards who read this have the initial thought of me being some shit bag who had a hard time while i was a slave in camo, but not the case at all. I was an extremely good Marine because i had common sense and its probably fair to say a solid 80-90% of the Marine Corps doesn’t:easy for me. However that’s not my point, my point is that you are a motivated little devil dog right now and feel empowered now that you have another stripe on your collar. Do everyone a favor (and I’m talking about the people you work with who are going to have to put up with your motardedness day in and out) realize that you are a brainwashed puppet for some old bastard sitting behind a desk and have a little more self respect. Now i completely understand that it is a job you are getting paid to do and you should always do your best at your job wether you like it or not (thats life and it isn’t going to change outside of the Marine Corps) but take a look around you, realize the absolute idiocy that takes place every day and quit being so fucking MOTIVATED. It is sickening to the people around you who aren’t so easily molded into someone/something they aren’t. Now with that all being said, good luck to you and your Marines I hope this gets through to you.

  • Maxspen

    my first night they came in my room and shot me with a pelllet gun point blank

  • Maxspen

    I was as called a faggot in front of my family by NCO’s

  • Maxspen

    they dump the garbage ben on my rack several times during the deployment

  • Maxspen

    basically treat them as Marines and equals and stop that stupied ass frat boy shit it ruined it for me and about 90% of my friends the list litterally goes on and fucking on awful experance would never do it again in a million year IHate USMC

  • Fartdude123

    Man.  I sure miss farting on the other websitem “I hate the Marine Corps.com” that that dude Olsen made.

  • asianwannabemarine

    motorcycle and active duty? is it even possible?

    • Terminal Lance

      yes but you have to take a special class first

  • Maxspen

    Has anybody ever watched The Green Monster It’s a great Documentary about the way the USMC really is it’s fantasic

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I have not.  Where would I find such a documentary?

      • Madmike19682003

        youtube.com

  • ScarheadtheJarhead

    Hello all, I have a recent update with my medical status and had a couple questions that I don’t feel comfortable asking my unit, out of fear of being ridiculed and/or harassed by them. I’m going to rant a bit beforehand though, just to get a few things off my chest. My medical standing is that I have been sent to see a military psychiatrist about my symptoms, and it has been decided that I should be separated from the military for failure to adapt and for hardship. In a way, I almost feel like I failed at doing something, but on the other hand, just hearing those words feels like a giant weight is being lifted off of my shoulders. I know people are criticized and looked down upon for military separation, and It is my personal belief that this kind of ideology is flat out stupid. I used to think the same way, anyone who was being booted out was an absolute horrible person and what not. But now, being on the opposite end of all that, I can see that the lifestyle just isn’t meant for everyone, and you never know what kind of hardships that person may be going through. I find it funny how we punish those who strive high and fail more than we do those who don’t strive for anything in the first place. I’m sick and tired of hearing all the motards trying to motivate me to be a better Marine, when, in my case, being a better marine goes against who I am. I suppose IN have a bit of a non conformist nature, and that is probably part of the reason I can’t adjust to having someone I don’t respect, let alone even like telling me not only what to do, but how to think and act. So whatever happens for me in the future regarding the military, I plan on making the best of it, no matter what anyone thinks of me. Ok, rant over, here are my questions for you all. How long does the separation process usually take? I believe it’s an admin sep, but i could be wrong. Also, will this affect me getting a job in the civilian sector at all? That’s pretty much it, thank you all for listening.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      That’s a hard one to say for certain.  I know a guy I went to Afghan with who was out on a hardship discharge less than 6 months after we got back, then again I have a cousin who was hit by a hmmwv, and last time I checked she was still on medical hold a couple years after the incident.  So I think it really depends on how long it takes for the medical staff to go from “we can treat that” to “he needs to be separated”.  But above and beyond that, I’m fairly clueless, I’ve never been MedSeped before…

      However, I can’t imagine that this would negatively impact your civilian life, especially considering that you were separated for a medical condition.  As long as the condition doesn’t affect your ability to do your job, it shouldn’t be a problem.Safety and Peace

      • ScarheadtheJarhead

         Thank you for all the advice and information. It’s funny to me how no one, not even my unit’s doc knows how long medsep or admin sep takes. But knowing my unit, it’ll drag on and on for as long as they feel obliged to not do any paperwork.

    • HASHonPOST

      ya dooood the sooner out the better, this is a VERY unhealthy life style.To help answer your question I know a guy who is currently being seperated medically. For him, the whole process as of right now should take around two months. He started complaing about his back and going to medical in october of last year, and was told last week that he will be seperated and out by july, but ya man hard to say. Hopefully all the cut backs will hurry the process up for you.

      • ScarheadtheJarhead

         two months sounds about right. And I agree, the lifestyle is VERY unhealthy for both the mind and the body.

  • shitbag

    Has anyone here thought about possibly switching to another branch of service? It’s crossed my mind a few times due to the fact that I would like to make my GI Bil benefits readily available to transfer to my kids.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I was briefly thinking about going to the Army.  However with all of the downsizing going around, they’re only interested in prior service members if you’re interested in going special forces.  Frankly, trading one pseudo-elite unit for another just didn’t sound like something I would be interested in.  However, depending on when your contract ends the Army may be hiring prior service again.

    • Madmike19682003

      try the reserves or guard and if you like it go active. my advice to people is become a officer.

    • shitbag

      Yea I’m stuck in this shit until 2014. Maybe either the Army or Air Force will be looking again for prior service by the time I punch in my last time card.

    • FuckNalcomis

      Different branch, same bullshit.

  • DistressedAsian

    Sup everyone, I am currently in the dep and want to switch to the army after coming upon this site and advice on not to do it from a close marine friend. Does anyone know how long this process could take? And how to go about this process?

    • FuckNalcomis

      Smoke spice and get made an example of. Synthetic marijuana carries a higher punishment than the good ol’ natural greenery. “NOT IN MY CORPS!”

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Call up your recruiter and tell him “In accordance with DoD Directive 1332.14, I am requesting discharge from the Delayed Entry Program.”  By rattling off the official order, you’ll completely counter any argument like “you can’t do that”, “you signed the paperwork” etc etc.

      Of course your recruiter will still probably get upset and try to get you to change your mind by telling you about how it’s a brotherhood and blah blah blah… You know, the standard recruiting rhetoric.  Just stand your ground, tell him you’re done, you’re not enlisting.  If he tries to get you to come down to the recruiting station to fill out some discharge papers: don’t go. It’s just a last ditch effort to see you in person and try to change your mind.

      This link has some more info and a letter that you can fill out with your info and send to your recruiter if you don’t feel like talking to him over the phone: http://rcnv.org/programs/mil/dep

      If you have any further questions please feel free to ask.

      Safety and Peace

    • Snake091102

      Knowing both the Army and the Marines.  Both branches experence the same Bull&hit.  you should not go by what other;s say. but really make a deceision for yourself.  If you chose the Marines from the begining then go with that.  its like when you change your answere on a test from A to B.  then at the end of it all you keep telling yourself i should have stayed with A my first answere.  The Marines is tough but you’ll will learn so much about yourself.  and at the end of it all. If you do the Marines and decide you don’t like it, you can always switch to the army with out doing their Basic Training.  Where if you join the army and don’t like it you will have to start from the very start. 

    • Sgt_jones21

       I’d go Air Force if I were you. I was a Marine for 10 years and got medically retired or I would still be in. To be blunt though, you sound like you are not the type that wants to be the best and that wants to be in combat situations. If that is you, then enjoy the comfy life the Air Force has to offer. If you want to be the best, then you got to endure the worst the Marine Corps has to offer. Yes, the Marine Corps is full of bullshit. Yes, you get worked to the bone. And YES it will transform you into a bad-ass mother if you commit to it. For all of those who are complaining, they should have joined the Army of Air Force. Please get out of my Marine Corps and make room for the ones that want to stay in.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

         That would be most of them dude. 

      • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

        Wow brainwashed motard alert. I hate morons like you that can’t keep your mouth shut and blurt out BS propaganda and brainwashing crap. Your precious corp can go to hell. Its an unnecessary waste of money and a place for the worst humanity has to offer to breed. You take all your “honorable” marines who rape, steal, commit adultery, commit war crimes, disgrace good men that enlist believing they’d make a difference like me, that make young mens lives miserable for their own enjoyment, and can’t survive anywhere but this filth of a beaurocratic corpoation. You and the pigs like you are a dishonor to men with morals, values, families, and all the Marines, soldiers, sailor, and airmen that all fought for the people of america and the innocent murdered and slaughtered because of tyrants in the past. Tyrants like you STUPID FUCKIN NCOs, staff NCOs and up in this “honorable” corp. NEVER FI.

        • Sgt_jones21

           You know that you are one of those brainwashed people you speak of right? You are the brainwashed anti-usmc people that use terms like “motard”. You are just like all the other sheep, try having an independent thought for once. As for the Marines who commit crimes, you will always have that in any human society. Name one group of people who have never committed a crime.  And grouping everyone as “pigs that dishonor…” really? “Tyrants”? really?  You are obviously a LCpl or lower (Private is my guess) who doesn’t know shit about anything. You want to talk war crimes? Look into American history. Hell, look into any countries history. It happens. You think that anyone is immune to it? Well, maybe the Swiss… If you have such a big problem with your NCOs and staff NCOs and you are so smart that you got it all figured out, why not do something to enlighten them? Use all that negative energy to make a positive change and make the Marine Corps something you can be proud of. Because right now you just sound like a whiny bitch that has a problem with authority and blames other people for all of his problems.

      • Madmike19682003

        if you are gonna be the best be special forces. the marine corps is just a bitchy little army that speaks navy lingo. you don’t need the corps to be the best at anything you just need yourself and i got more out of college judo than boot camp.

  • 30days!!!!!

    distressedasian, even though i am anxiously waiting to get out of the marines, i would never tell you not to do it, and neither should anyone else. it wasn’t for me is all it was, i had some great times and made some really tight friendships, i’ve grown up and im now a pretty responsible person, all thanks to the marines and my experiences therein. decide what you want for and out of yourself. i think the corps is the best choice if you want the challenge to become better through work. if some other reason, look at the pros and cons of each. honestly ask your “buddies” if they had good times in the marines, or only horrible ones like all marines say. like someone told me when i joined, “it isnt easy and there will be some really shitty experiences, but at the end of the day you can call yourself a marine and youll look back at all of it and laugh about all the dumb shit you went through, in the end its all worth it” and as im getting out i look back on it and it is perfectly true, ill never regret my time here. by the way, does you friend happen to be a grunt? just asking cause i am and most of my buddies say the same things as your friend, and everyone of them is the pos’s you dont want to be. if your a good marine, I.E- you dont get yelled at constantly for fucking up, its different than being a kiss ass. either way, if you join the service, thanks

    • FuckNalcomis

      Couldn’t have said it better. There’s the good, and there’s the bad. It’s all how you make of it.

  • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

    I would throw every physical possession I own in a furnace and be homeless if I could be out of this fuck up tomorrow. Every day there is at least one new reason or another person that proves to me this is the worst decision I have ever made. God damn the marine corps. Never fi.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    The weekends are always a slow day for ihatetheusmc. I think it is because everyone gets the fuck off base so they can be somewhat normal for a couple days. No reason to come here lol

  • Devanteg594237

    I know this is off topic, but have you people ever noticed that if you ever played Halo, Warhammer 40,000k, or have seen the film Aliens that they always have the Marines in there but not the Army. They say that because the Navy will start navigating ships in space taking the Marine Corps with them and the Army will get left on the ground for garrison and defense and keeping colonies in line. Why can’t the Army fight on other planets like how the Marines would do it, the Army would use Airborne units to do it because of their forcible entry. Why does it always have to be centered around the Marines, can someone please tell me would the Army take the Marine Corps role of fighting on other planets. PS: I know the question sounds stupid but this is related to video games with Marines and the Army getting outcasted.

    • Madmike19682003

      it’s all about the service that advertises it’s self the most. and that would be the jarhead corps. 91.3 percent of all americans have never served in the military so they are gonna go with what they know from tv and movies. if you watch old war movies they are usually about the army while the newer ones are about the corps. the difference is back in the 50′s and 60′s almost all adult men had been in the service and looked at the military different from how people do now. today people love the troops and support them but around 1988 when i was in most americans were ambivalent at best. “oh you were in the service”? yawn big effing deal so was a huge percentage of the civilians walking around.

      • Devanteg594237

        The Marine Corps= Moochers of the military. They should just train troops at their own bases.

        • Madmike19682003

          if i had my way the air force would handle everything that flies,the navy would handle everything that sails and the army would handle everything that moves on the ground.

          • Devanteg594237

            Madmike19682003, was that how long you were in the Marine Corps 1968 to 2003? And sometimes trying to mash all of them together you end you with the Marine Corps and that sounds like too much for them.

          • Madmike19682003

            1988 to 1992 was whenn i was in the corps. i was a 0311 in 2nd mar div. and camp lejeune sucks dick!! i was one of the last marines to not have to do MCT. it kicked in a few months after i got out of parris island.

          • Devanteg594237

            Oh, Isn’t Camp Lejune and Camp Pendelton the only Marine Corps bases in the U.S even though I know there’s Camp Geiger, but isn’t that like a MCT?

          • Madmike19682003

            actually when i did it camp geiger was where you had mct and infantry school. it was also the home to UNITAS and the 6th marines. when i graduated from infantry school i got orders to go across the street to 6th marines. i was one pissed off boot.

          • FoxtrotTangoNovember

            Madmike, I think that’s the way to go, although I think the Army and Navy should have aviation assets to support their own missions. The USN has their MA’s and other units to provide security, so they don’t need the USMC for anything. The Navy can expand their own Special Warfare Forces if they want to retain an MEU/SOC capability. The Navy doesn’t need the Corps, so I would either get rid of the USMC altogether or make it a specialized part of the Army, It would save a shitload of money for the Navy, and there wouldn’t be all this needless and wasteful duplication with separate Army and Marine schools for infantry, armor, etc.

          • Madmike19682003

            the way i described it is how it’s done in Israel,Great Britain and most other countries. the RAF has special squadrons for naval duty on aircraft carriers and all helicopter pilots are considered air force. for the royal marines all ground support personnell are army troops who go through extra training. for aviation support they are all royal air force.

        • Sgt_jones21

           Yeah, that makes sense. Lets create a school for a few Marines to train in per year. You need to look at the big picture. Marines go to other bases to train in a few fields, and the other services go to Marine bases for a few fields. Its to save tax-payer money instead of creating needless instructor jobs and schools.

          • Devanteg594237

            Oh sorry no insult intended.

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      To me anyway, I see the propaganda and all the garbage it really is of the marine corp justifying its existence every day. Think about it, the most common thing about the marine corp? Devil dog. Belleau wood. Iwo jimas flag raising. Because of some crazy mother fuckers in world war two everyone thinks all marines are like them. the marine corp spews its bullshit propaganda all over the magazines, tv, websites so no one knows the truth about it. I went to go see the avengers and the propaganda ad they currently run about the guys running out of the osprey was so cheesy. I was covering my mouth loudly saying “its noooot realllll”.

      Essentially because of propaganda, cgi, and the put down of anyone who tells the truth the marines are the most badass soldiers ever to game developers. Luckily though we have cool guys like the ODSTs from halo who are even more badass than the wimpy bitch marines in the game haha. The marine corp was created to protect ships, as described before on this site even, prevent mutinies, that type of security stuff. If we ever got to space, the army would control the ground engagements and the marine corp will probably be annexed into the navy as nothing more than a security element.

      • Devanteg594237

        Yeah probably, oh just so you know ODST’s are like Marine Force recon in case you didn’t already know. So the Army would deploy from a dropship in space and continue the fight on the ground sounds like something the marines would do, but knock them out of the equation Army Airborne would take their role which would be better hopefully.

        • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

          haha well since getting to experience this “honorable” corp i dont like to think of any troops i like as marines in those sci fi stories.  cause as i get to experience firsthand, i have met less than a handful that are real badasses, less than a handful that have actually done anything worth talking about, and very few i know have any honor, and i mean real honor of morals and values, not marine “honor”

          • Devanteg594237

            The way how I see it.

            Army: Used for garrison and defense of planets, patrolling colony worlds and making sure to quell insurrections almost like a police force for colony planets. Unless they commit a Normandy sized landing on other worlds which will take a lot of time and very unlikely to happen anytime soon. Army Airborne are shock troops. 

            Marine Corps: Role with a Space Navy, providing naval security and seizing territory on colony worlds or to quickly suppress an out of control rebellion elsewhere, exploring planets that have yet to be explored. Also would be used for ship boarding action and providing additional support on the ground. Marines are shock troops.

            So which will be at an advantage? 

          • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

            But then again im curious, why do you need two separate types of troops to do those jobs? Easily with some more advance training you could use one type of troop to do both jobs. If they are called marines, the pencil pusher motards win the petty battle of a label, life goes on, if they are army then life goes on anyway.

            The only reason the term Marine sounds more intimidating is because of the overly advertised propaganda and the continued retelling of the crazy guys in belleau wood and iwo jima. It also doesn’t help that the majority of marines accept the brainwashing like its holy and they get the ego boost to think they are demigods.

  • Tsquared903

    I heard this one marine say
    No matter what job you pick, 90% of your time will be spent doing menial crap (pick up trash, landscaping, cleaning stuff that has already been cleaned, flipping over rocks, etc).

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      Spot on.

    • FuckNalcomis

      I’m in the air wing side of the USMC, 90% of my job is unfucking stuff that someone else fucked up and cant do their job, i work 10-12 hour days, deployed on the boat we worked 14 hour days, month at a time before stopping anywhere for libbo, but, having libbo int the Phillippines or Indonesia is nice, even if it is from 6am-midnight and only for 2-3 days, and one of those days you have shore duty, its all how you deal with the mental shit, some people mentally are pussies, and some are brain dead, to each his own

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Hey Civilian, looks like the link to the “Cancelled Weekend. Again” story is broken.  Just a heads up.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      I took it down upon request.  Thanks for keeping an eye out though!

      • Madmike19682003

        why?

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

          The guy who wrote it wanted it taken down. I did not ask why

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Fair enough.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150381830861995&set=a.469868946994.283115.319694416994&type=1&theater

    Just stumbled across this Facebook page.  It seems we have a kindred spirit.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    http://www.facebook.com/toolsofwar

    Just stumbled across this Facebook page.  It seems we have a kindred spirit.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Oh nice! I will drop them a comment about iHateTheUSMC ;)

    • Madmike19682003

      i think that’s a little too disrespectful of veterans. i mean yeah sure we all served with a lotta mercenaries who where primarily in uniform to learn a trade or get money for school or because the judge said so. but some of us joined because we thought we were doing something honorable. at least i did.

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        I did too.  But the longer I’m in this place the more I realize that the road to hell really is paved with good intentions.  I don’t think the page is really saying that military service makes you immediately evil and once you’ve served you’re cursed, it seems like it really is addressing the lifers and mercenaries who cannot imagine any higher purpose than being called upon to kill random people whom they’ve never met simply to appease their government’s blood-thirst.

        • Madmike19682003

          oh sure. in the grunts i served with some guys who would sell their own sister or mother to a pimp but it does come down to why did YOU join. i joined out of a sense of civic duty mostly but also for adventure and to learn all the “cool” warrior stuff. i certainly didn’t join to be a war criminal. that being said i wish this country would just go back to being like switzerland as the founding fathers intended. no overseas commitments,bases,no war to spread democracy(to countries that don’t want it),etc.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

         I understand your point entirely. I even agree with it mostly.  But at the same time I remember when I was in Iraq, everyone in my unit pretty much would have commited murder had they been able to do it and get away with it.  Maybe one of them did and I just do not know about it. I will tell you what I do know though.  My fellow Marines pissed and beat on Iraqi detainees.  We would go out and call for ileum arty over houses just to fuck with Iraqi people. We would go out and destroy peoples homes.   Why????
        I think it all starts in bootcamp when they show you all the moto videos of marines kicking ass and not taking any names.   Every Marine wants to kill someone, even if they are innocent.   It’s a trending problem, and I think that facebook page is one way addressing the issue.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

           All those same people went home and bragged to their families on how they are war heroes and this and that.  All they did was terrorize innocent people because they were too bored.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    Off topic.  This is for all you final fantasy 7 fans out there – FAN REMAKE – http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB3794695EC5A2382

  • Tsquared903

    I can’t stop thinking about this guy im friends with on Facebook. He’s 19 or so and I’ve seen his DEP Pictures for the USMC. I eember reading something like ” 4 more weeks (until he’s shipped out) until i get turned into a beast”. I kinda shook my head but he has his mind directed on that. Then he talks about how he runs miles and miles almost everyday and drinking the protein shakes like he’s getting ready for a triathalon but only if he knew. But I don’t know. To each his own. Plus i keep hearing that they’re supposed to be downsizing our military. Correct me if I’m wrong but… it doesn’t seem so. I’ve seen more USMC recruiting commericals more than ever and military commercials in general. Plus the katy perry video…I guess you get your heart broken and then enlist.
    From what I’ve read I think the government is planning wars in the future.
    Well of course, How many wars have we been in for the past 100 years?
    What are you guys thoughts on this?

    Plus this one special forces guy said, The ME never threatened our consitution in the first place.
    If you’re thinking about joining the Miliary especially the marines and you think you’re gonna be kickin down doors and training all day …you are highly mistaken.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I can promise you to a moral certainty that once Obama gets reelected, it’s only a matter of time before Iran gets invaded.  The CIA (the only real terrorist threat in the world) and the rest of the intel community has been releasing report after report about how dangerous Iran is and how it plays a “destabilizing role” in the world.  

      Apparently in the U.S. invading random countries, toppling their governments, and then spending trillions of dollars installing puppet governments isn’t considered to be playing a “destabilizing role” at all… Actually now that I think about it, I once saw a video from the 1930′s about doing exactly that, and what a great thing it is… of course it was hard for me to understand because everyone was speaking GERMAN!!!

      The other big thing going on right now is the “Sequester law” which is going to take something in the neighborhood of 10% of the cash from each departments budget to try to make the U.S. more fiscally solvent (frankly I like the idea if the feds having less money).  The law takes effect Jan 1. of 2013, and all of the Generals are trying desperately to change it because if they don’t get it they might have to adjust their spending habits.  The marine corps times is saying that the corps may have to cancel as many as 18,000 contracts (on top of the already planned drawdown) if congress doesn’t change its mind and alter the Sequester law.

      What’s even worse is that if the military loses all of that money, the Generals might even have to start making contracts with companies that are selling quality supplies instead of going with the companies that they hold stock in!  Horror of horrors!

      I’m not really sure what to say about your friend, tell him to take a look at this page, tell him he’s naive for joining, tell him whatever you will.  But whatever he does, the corps is getting smaller, it just doesn’t have the funds to stay at it’s current size, and be so fiscally irresponsible at the same time.

      Safety and Peace

      • FoxtrotTangoNovember

        You are right on target, NP. I guarantee you the green light has already been given, they’re just waiting until the election is over. Our overlords in Tel Aviv want to rule the Middle East without any uppity “ragheads” interfering, and no American politician is going to go against AIPAC and the Israeli lobby. Ah, the good old USSA. This should be our national anthem:

        Ever notice how commie propaganda sounds exactly like American propaganda? Freedom, democracy, will of the people … Well, we see how that shit really works. Whenever “we, the people” vote against DC, some commie federal judge overrules the vote and rubber stamps whatever the Beltway bandits want. And this is the broken, corrupt system we are imposing on the rest of the world at gunpoint. Bombardment and genocide in the name of “liberation.” No wonder we’re so cozy with China. They’re commies just like us. It is glorious, comrades!

        • SgtFury

           Glad I stopped by here, tonight.

          “Will of the People” is one of the most haunting and scary phrases I’ve heard, Hitler and other totalitarians used it, as well as Milosevic, GWB, and Obama.

          The international banking cartels control us, and want us in a constant state of war against “enemies”, while at the same time they can degrade our way of life in America such that the few get the rewards. Enough of the wars, already, and I’m starting to to think Ron Paul has most of his ducks lined up well, it’s just that he’s too old to make a difference, any more.    

  • Weje

    Ooh rah I love this job!

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      lol sarcasm noted hahahahaha

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Found this on Facebook today.  Had to share.  Enjoy!

    • SgtFury

      Holy sh*t that’s hilarious.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

     You have to start thinking for yourself sometime.

    Frankly, at some point you don’t have a choice. Life forces you.
    Maybe it’s when you take your first step as a toddler. Or maybe it’s
    when you take the SAT test as a young adult.

    At some point, you realize that even though information is being
    thrown at you, it is up to you to interpret what you hear, to make your
    own opinions, and to do something about it.

    Over time this becomes second nature.

    It’s subconscious. You make decisions without even thinking much at
    all about what you are doing. Based on experience and memorable life
    instances, you apply judgment in real-time. As circumstances present
    themselves, you decide how to react.

    And that is a tremendously exhausting experience. It demands
    emotional commitment.  You have to pick a side. You have to make hard
    choices. You have to filter truth from hyperbole.  So it is always
    easier is to stop the pain. To stop thinking on your own. To just let
    other people’s opinions become your own. To accept anger and frustration
    as fact and excuse.

    And even though you’re not investing the emotional effort that you
    used to exert, you’ll find yourself just as confused, and perhaps more
    frustrated.

    The answer is to do it the hard way.

    You have to think for yourself.

    It’s tiring. It demands focus. At times you’re frustrated and unsure.
    But it’s the key to breakthrough. When you stop thinking for yourself,
    who you could be gets lost in the mimicry of everyone else’s
    opinion.Simply, you lose your way unless you’re focused on finding it.
    Unless you deliberately decide to make the right choice, right now.It
    all comes down to a few simple uncompromising outlooks:

    Challenge everything.Trust your gut instinct.Pursue creativity.Look for what’s not there.Decry mediocrity.Focus on what’s important.Keep trying.Fight through the confusion.Learn hard lessons the first time.Don’t give in to peer pressure.

    Demand more than implication and inference.

    Think for yourself. 

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Just an observation tonight.  Have you ever noticed how people will show you who they really are when you put them in a bad spot?  For instance the tough guy who’s all big and bad until he upsets someone who’s actually a tough guy, then he’s all about being friends?  Or the guy who has the hottest girl ever, but he very conveniently has no pictures of her, is never on the phone with her, and gets very defensive whenever you bring her up in a conversation?  

    Anyways, you get the picture.  Lately I’ve been noticing how much the marine corps loves to tell people about their “honor, courage, and commitment” and how “our marines are our most valuable asset” and all such assorted nonsense, yet the moment a marine does something that would be embarrassing to the corps, they’re thrown right under the bus.  One of my personal favorites is the part where someone (usually a 1st Sgt) tells you how “you don’t even deserve the title of marine!”  I was always particularly fond of that one because I always wanted to ask “1st Sgt, isn’t the title ‘earned never given’?  So then apparently I earned it didn’t I?  So then how can I not deserve something that I earned?”  By this point I figured the 1st Sgt’s head would probably have exploded so I never really thought it out past that point.  But I digress…

    But it’s something you’ll notice a lot over 4 years, how they always want to tell you how “the marine corps will always be there for you” until you screw up and everyone all of a sudden wants nothing to do with you because you’re a horrible marine who should never have been allowed to pass boot camp, and every SNCO and Officer who said they had your back is now going around telling people what a horrible marine they got stuck with, and how they knew he was trouble from day 1 etc etc…

    I guess if there’s one thing I would like for you all to take away from this little rant of mine, it would have to be the marine corps’ real core values: “Dishonor, Discourage, and Disavow.”

    Safety and Peace

    • Madmike19682003

      Semper Fi….fuck the other guy!!!

    • ForsakenGrunt

      HAH, like when i came down with a tumor popping up in my leg and the wrote me off with an uncharacterized discharge and now i have hospital bills up the ass? Now i don’t hesitate to let a motard know where the score is at. 

      Or what about that one time, a staff sergeant went to the brig for 15 years, because his wife(YES his wife) cried rape? 

      They busted him down to private, threw away the key, and let him out fifteen years later after finding out she was a lying bitch. (Pardon my language.)

      And here is the punchline… WERE in no hurry to give him back pay.. or reinstate his rank. Last i heard the poor guy is still duking it in court, and it was two years ago he got out. Oh but they don’t abandon their Marines. :D

  • oh yeah

    I know this is a taboo subject, but since everyone here appears to be open minded, I figured I’d ask.  Are there a lot of guys on the DL in the Marine Corps (or any of the branches for that matter)?  I’m referring to guys who self-identify as hetero/straight, but who also hook-up with other guys (presumably on deployment or in situations where females are not present for an extended period of time).  Peace!

    • Madmike19682003

      i was in a long time ago so i never saw any homosexual activity in the service. there were a few guys that definately seemed gay but i never saw them do anything. when i was in i would fear for the safety of any homosexual who was found out. most marines weren’t homophobes but enough were that being gay would be dangerous. plus it was a crime to be gay when i was in.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I haven’t seen or heard of any guys who falsely denied being gay since the DADT repeal.  And I don’t know of anyone who has hooked up with another guy during a deployment (then again I also haven’t deployed since prior to the DADT repeal

  • fernando
  • GrimReaper

    Did everyone die?

    • Madmike19682003

      slow news day i guess. maybe we should start trolling leatherneck.com.

      • GrimReaper

        i hate that website

        • Madmike19682003

          well than there are a huge number of motarded losers on youtube. the dumbest ones are the acne faced high school geeks and college age virgins still living with mom and dad who play video games and talk of joining “after school”. lol

          • GrimReaper

             that site would prolly ban me just for looking at it

    • Anonymous

      Still here hating every day. Voluntold for Drill Instructor duty. Wish I had denied orders,

  • Guest Speaker

    Scott Olsen’s interview w/Russia Today

    good video

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Thank you for sharing

  • GrimReaper

    I dont want to go in tomorrow :(

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    Freedom of speech and freedom of action are meaningless without freedom to think. And there is no freedom of thought without doubt. -Bergen Evans

  • FoxtrotTangoNovember
    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      Seems like a pretty legit website

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    I saw this picture and had a big LOL moment.  Notice anything strange about the Marine in the back?

    http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17o5mk1nr3963jpg/xlarge.jpg

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    The Stash
     http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17o8nw8ddxkg7jpg/original.jpg

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      is that some sort of sticker that is sold?

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

        If it is, I wouldnt buy it. I would just use paint lol

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Just wanted to let everyone know that I just got through updating my post on How to get out of the marine corps.  It now has a section on the checkout sheet.  Feedback would be greatly appreciated.

    http://ihatetheusmc.com/how-to-get-out-of-the-marine-corps/

    Safety and Peace

    • Madmike19682003

      grab every government bennie you can because going from the corps to civvie street is as hard as doing the opposite and you are gonna appreciate the help. school may be uncomfortably tough as you haven’t been using your brain as much as you were in high school these past few years.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Forum troubles?

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      Yup

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

        Things are not looking good.  We might be gone completely

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          How do you mean that?

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            It looks like I will not be able to save any information from the forum. I might have to start it over again… FUCK

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            So I take it the Code Ninja who saved the Anonymous Discussion page isn’t having any luck…  that sucks.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

             I am going to keep trying

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    So here’s the diagram of the event that started these last 11 years of war.  

    Now let me see if I have this straight: Random “terrorists” flew a couple of planes into the two tallest towers, at different heights, causing the buildings to fall in their own footprints.  A feat that only a handful of demolition companies will even ATTEMPT was accomplished by a few pilots crashing planes randomly into the towers 2 out of 2 times?  Actually more than that!  Because Tower 7 fell later that afternoon, supposedly from fire (completely ignoring the fact that no skyscrapers have ever collapsed from fire besides the 9/11 towers) even though it wasn’t hit by a plane!  So a couple of Terrorist pilots who were moments away from death, had the sheer skill to accomplish a feat worthy of a master demolitions expert 3 out of 2 times!  

    Dang… it’s no wonder we’re still at war with these guys, we’re clearly outmatched by their skills…

    http://www.simnews.com.br/images/thumb_558_420/wtc1.jpg

    • SS

      Excellent post! 
      Tower 7 is without a doubt a smoking gun. The video of the collapse clearly shows a controlled demolition. I don’t know the whole story, but in my opinion “the system” cannot be trusted.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Has anyone here ever even met an “enemy of the Constitution”?  I mean besides politicians, and SNCO’s…

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      police officers are next in line I think

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    Due to my frustrations with the forum troubles here at ihatetheusmc.com (they are forever lost…), I am going to take a break from this site for a bit and work on one of my other projects.  I actually got a lot of work done late last night and this morning.

    It’s a live internet radio broadcast run from my house, check it out. http://www.RadioRebel.net

    I will come to the site and check the comments as usual though.  If there are any site problems or issues, you know to just post it on the site. I will take care of them.

    Side note, if you or anyone you know of is looking to promote their indie music, send them to http://www.RadioRebel.net. That is what we want to play!

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    What a great idea – Give the soldier the option to be less deadly if need be. - 
    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/06/socom-scaleable/

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    We will be getting this update.  If you want to know about the new features in the comment system, go here –  http://blog.disqus.com/post/22325598158/try-out-disqus-2012

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    This smart guy explains the work of an even smarter guy in a way that any dumbass can understand.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I like it.

  • CoolStoryBro

    I’m so sick of the motivated tools on this site. I’m only gonna troll them from now on.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

     Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge. – Isaac Asimov

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    Who is ready for the new internet to be turned on at midnight?

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    The comment system is lagging. Sorry guys

  • jerz

    hey guys, im currently working on a med board i got diagnosed with a muscular disease a few months ago, ive been hospitalized twice and have alot of limitations to follow..my command isnt helping out with letting me go to appts. and they want me to go to mojave viper next month, im trying to get tad pool, smp, wwr, anything like that any suggestions? im trying to get normal-ish hours so i can start school early

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    So, a question for all of the guys who’ve already gotten out.  Some reservist gunny at TAP class told the class that if we receive muster orders, and don’t go, then we lose our honorable discharge and thus the G.I. Bill.  Now it doesn’t make sense to me that they can take away an honorable discharge AFTER you’re out (although I know that not making sense is not a disqualifying factor in the corps).  Is there any truth to this at all?  Because as much as I hate the idea of going to some stupid “muster” but I hate the idea of losing my G.I. Bill even more.  So anyone who can give me the scoop on this would me more than welcome to.

    Safety and Peace

    • Alphonzo

       If you are still on IRR, then the military can technically take action against you, however, there is a fat loop hole. Has it happened? Not really. IRR guys are not subjected to the UCMJ unless they go for activation. Your active duty discharge and IRR discharge are different. It WILL NOT affect you active duty discharge that is needed for VA benefits and veteran preferences for jobs. However, you IRR discharge may impact certain government jobs should you apply for them, such as those in the FBI. I hope this helped. 

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        Thanks man.

    • Madmike19682003

      hey ninja i know i have been out for a loooong time but those irr musters are a serious joke and waste of taxpayer dollars. they call you in one day a year.,you can show up in civilian clothes(at least i did), then they ask you to update basic personal info like adress and education. after which thet promptly begin kissing your ass like a recruiter and telling you about good opportunities in the corps. you then laugh in the officers face and they send you home and you get paid some money(i got about 90 bucks after taxes). basically once they realise you are NEVER gonna reup they give up on you and never call you again. in 4 years of irr i was called up 2 times. it’s a joke…don’t sweat it. once they realise you would rather be dragged by your testicles across 20 miles of broken glass than sign a re-enlistment contract they just write you off.

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        You know… compared to reenlisting… that actually doesn’t sound all that bad.

        • Madmike19682003

          when i did we were subject to the ucmj but not grooming standards or height and weight standards. there were fat guys with beards and everything. the getting dragged by your testicles thing came from a army vet friend of mine. the guy did 3 years in a NBC platoon in germany and when he got out the army called him for his first yearly irr muster and he gave them that line after saying he’d also eat a bottle of pain pills and wash it down with a bottle of drain cleaner. the officer on the phone told him he didn’t have to show up for the muster and in 5 years irr that crazy fucker didn’t do a single drill. of course the corps may not be as amused. i just told them how much fun i was having in college and how i had a great job lined up afterwards. once they figure out that you are a straight up civilian shitbag who has gone totally native and is NEVER gonna re-up they just write you off.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      I have yet to go to one. I have yet to hear anything from anyone about not showing up.  Don’t let that dumb ass fill your head with crap. What does he know? The only thing he has ever accomplished is…. being a dumb gunny.

      • Madmike19682003

        i’m telling ya…it’s a scam. it’s just basically a way to force you to sit down and talk to a recruiter or career planner. the 2 times i did i had a full bird colonel calling me by my first name and being nice to me. once they figure out you ain’t signing back up they stop talking to you. also i have heard if you have a kick ass reenlistment code like i did you more than likely will do 1 but if your code sucked and you had njp’s and shit they ignore you.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Thanks all, just wanted to make sure I wasn’t about to screw myself out of my education benefits later on down the road.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            You have nothing to worry about. There is nothing they will do.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    I heard my old CO checked out this site (maybe he is a regular (o__0).  He said he likes it, and he thinks that it is definitely a good thing to have.  :D

    This is fucking awesome!

    • Madmike19682003

      yeah but i wanna hear the commandants opinion.

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        I second that!

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

        Me too

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Happy 68th Anniversary of D-Day!  I got you all a present…

    http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/262036

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    I launched the new comment system. If you want to learn more about it’s feature, please visit
    http://blog.disqus.com/post/22325598158/try-out-disqus-2012

  • phrogs4ever

    SNCO’s What are you talking about? I don’t know, well i do know most SNCO’s are dumb as fuck! But not all of the SNCO’s are like that. On top of that, im getting fucked over so bad after 23 years in the corps. After I am out if anyone where to aske me what I did before getting to where I am going I am going to reply “I was homeless or in jail’ but i will never tell anyone I was ever a Marine.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    It was really more of a cheap shot at ignorant/dumbass SNCOs than a well thought-out point.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Leaving Camp Pendleton, DD-214 in hand! Happiest day of my life!

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    Enjoy :)

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Thank you kindly. By the way, is there a way to upload a photo onto Anonymous Discussion? I have something I’d like to share with the class but I’m not sure I could do a worthwhile blog post about it.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    It seems uploading photos is not enabled yet with the new comment system. We are actually testing this system out for Disqus so we can give them feedback. Hopefully that ability is enabled soon.

    In the meantime, everyone that would like to share photos here anonymously can do so via
    http://imgur.com/ for free.

  • madmike19682003

    i guarantee you would be happier leaving camp lejeune. man what a shithole. lol

  • okinawa inmate

    oh dude man congrats..Im so happy for you..here i am, in pendleton on duty, reading this..you truly are lucky..my time will come..unfortunately i am some what boot..i still got a year left:( enjoy freedom for me

  • fumc

    My wife is sick and I got bills that is the only reason why I’m staying in till I eas. Here at 1/1 have not heard one good thing about this unit its the bastard child of the usmc I love it when they send boot ass butter bars and pog’s to run a grunt unit funny how I have the same amount of ribbons as a 1st sgt or my 1st sgt that came from a reserve unit a co that’s getting forced out yea just love thpeople I have to deal with love how I get stuck on all the working parties when everyone else is a fucking drug pop seriously fucking done with this shit Fuck the 1/1 and the marine corps can’t beleive this is how this is ran.

  • Fuck Nalcomis

    So, every now and then i get a little motivation and think of reenlisting into 0211, counter intel, but thank god i smacked the shit out of myself today and realized wtf i was about to do. I’m a slave to no one, and if i waste 15-20 yrs of my life on this shit, what fun will i have had? That’s right, none.

  • Calma Lou Miller

    Between Generals Mundy, Boomer and Livingston I served. They suck. All of em. They parade that we are better than others attitude until I about vomit every time I think of them. It seriously makes me ill. They really should do something about the Marine Corps and it’s generational output of low life men. It can’t smell it’s own shit. It will deny that it even shits. LoL

  • thats_pretty_brutal

    I will be doing the same at Camp Lejeune on the 29th of this month. Medical retirement baby!

  • Deb

    My husband is an injured Marine. He had a Vasectomy done but the stuiped navy doc f…ked it up. So now he has nerve damage. He is in Pain all the time. He has to use a cane to walk, he can’t drive, he can’t Pt, f…k he has to sit to take a piss. He command is giving him such a hard time. They have to know what he is doing very second. He is a Sgt. And they are making him report to a Cpl. They will not take him to his appts. or take him to the hospital so he can gets his meds. He is over weight because of his meds, and they are trying to put him on BCP. His on limited duty. When he comes home he never leaves the house, and he tried to kill him self 2 times because he is in so much pain. He can’t play with he’s 3 kids any more. I don’t know what to do about he’s command. They are stressing my family out. I just don’t know who I can’t talk to. Any info will help.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    The last year went pretty fast for me. Well, the last 6 months went fast anyways, don’t worry man you’ll get there.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Some people would say “go talk to his command”. This CAN be a good idea, but you have to be careful if you go that route. If you tell them that he’s tried committing suicide, they’ll just post a guard on him at all times, to “follow him around and make sure he doesn’t kill himself”. For some reason the marine corps thinks that that will solve the situation, and can’t seem to grasp that the embarrassment of having some guy follow you around because he’s on “suicide watch” is actually likely to exacerbate the problem.

    I would personally try the Chaplain first. I know that generally seems kind of lame, but the Chaps has a confidentiality clause, and he’s usually a O-3 or O-4 so he has a little bit of weight with the other officers in the unit. So you could try to see if he would try to intervene on his behalf. That would be my starting point.

    If you do choose to go to the command, tell them only what YOU feel, complain that YOU think he’s being treated unfairly etc. etc. DO NOT, I SAY AGAIN, DO NOT tell them that he complained about ANYTHING! All that will do is come down on him for being “whiny”. It might come down on him because you complained anyways, because some commands realize they can’t do anything about the spouse so they take it out on the marine, so it would be good to know the command a bit before you try taking anything to them. The Chaplain should be pretty safe though so that could be a good place to start. I hope this is helpful.

    Safety and Peace

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    I was there for about 3 months for my school. Glad I never had to go back.

  • swizzlestik

    This makes me want to blow a gasket. This is some screwed up shit. I’m not military but had 3 weeks of the crap thru my son’s experience and believe it or not, it was enough for me and definitely an eye-opener.
    I’m the kind of gal that grabs the proverbial bull by the horns. I’d try Ninja’s advice first because he knows more about the inner workings of the corps.
    HOWEVER, if you cannot get satisfaction this way, go ballistic like i did. We went straight to our congressman. I would also consult a private attorney who is familiar with the military as well for plan B. Plan C would be to contact major media and let them run with it. I am THE PUBLIC and when the PUBLIC hears about this kind of bullshit pertaining to OUR GUYS, they get pissed. Trust me.
    I let a few four, five, six and twenty letter words fly all the way up the ladder to a Colonel.
    Whatever you do, don’t give up and don’t give in. Get exactly what you want. You guys have EARNED it.

  • swizzlestik

    Hey Ninja. I’ve been reading some of the posts through notifications that come to my e-mail. Been meaning to say CONGRATS and HAUL ASS! LOL
    When I read this I felt like I just gave birth to a bouncing Ninja! LOL

  • swizzlestik

    Was blind but now I see what the Marines do! These guys look like they could defintely use a break…NOT!

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Umm… thanks? lol

  • swizzlestik

    Ha! You know I have a warped sense of humor plus I’m a double-bubble off right now (pain meds after surgery) so just go along with it. LOL

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Very well.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    How is freedom so far?

  • op

    I’ll be out in a few monthes, otherwise I’m playing with the idea of putting in a package for MSG duty as re-up incentive. The people I’ve talked to tell me it was the best time of their lives, but I don’t trust the USMC at all. Whats the catch of MSG duty?

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    The people you talked to also made the mistake of reenlisting. Get the fuck out, ASAP. Don’t reenlist like a fuck nut. Go actually do something with your life man. The Marines will do nothing but put your life on pause.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    I know a girl who is in MSG school right now, so I’m not sure what the all of the catches are, but I know the catch they tell you about is that you’ll spend at least one of your years of MSG guarding an embassy in some shit-hole of a third world country. It’s even referred to as a “Hardship duty station”, so at least one of those years will probably not be the greatest time of your life.

    I kind of wish she was already at her station so I could ask her, but unfortunately that’s all I know at the moment.

    Safety and Peace

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Everything I dreamt it would be! I’ve had a couple of days where I sat on the couch and done nothing, and a couple of days where I go out to my grandparents house, and help them with all of the things that they’re too old for, a I get more stuff done in six hours than I did in a week in the marines. But yeah, I’m loving it!

  • outtacontrol.is.incontrol

    Any new news on the VEERP? is there a website with all the details and news about VEERPs and getting the hell out?

  • outtacontrol.is.incontrol

    Is there a web page for the VEERP? One that has up to date information?

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    I would like to know as well so I can put the info up here on the site.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Haven’t found anything yet.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    A new documentary by Oscar-nominated filmmaker Kirby Dick attempts to
    shed light on what’s becoming known as America’s best kept secret: the
    epidemic of rape in the military.

    Inspired by a 2007 Salon story by journalist Helen Benedict,
    “The Invisible War” tells the stories of both female and male
    servicemembers who were raped by their peers and commanders. In most
    cases the military did nothing to prosecute the perpetrators and in some
    cases actually punished the victims.

    These are some of the staggering statistics revealed in the film (all sources come from U.S. government studies):

    An estimated 500,000 men and women in the military have been sexually assaulted since WWII
    In 2009, an estimated 20,000 men were victims of military sexual assault
    Prosecution rates are extremely low: in 2011, officials received
    more than 3,000 reports of sexual assault and less than 200 military
    members were convicted
    An estimated 15 percent of recruits attempted or committed rape
    before entering service—which is double the rate in civilian society
    Twenty-five percent of women didn’t report an incident because their commander was their rapist

    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta watched the film on April 14. Two days
    later he ordered that sexual assault investigations be moved to a
    higher ranking colonel. He also announced that each branch of the armed
    forces would establish a Special Victims Unit.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-invisible-war-reveals-sexual-assault-in-military-2012-6

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    A Veteran’s Apology.

    I write this Veteran’s day to apologize.

    I swore to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and I failed that oath.

    I failed to stand against a government who passed the PATRIOT act in violation of the 4th Amendment.

    I failed by deploying without a formal declaration of war in violation of Article 1 section 8.

    I failed to liberate people held indefinitely without charges in violation of Article 1, section 9, and the 5th Amendment.

    I failed to stand against digitally strip searching, or enhanced pat-downs without probable cause or warrant in violation of the 4th Amendment.

    I failed to defend Farmers from being raided by FDA agents for selling Fresh milk.

    I failed to stand against assassinating American citizens on an accusation in violation of the 5th, 6th, and 14th Amendments.

    I can’t name all the constitutional violations the federal government has taken. There are other violations by state and local governments such as the murder and cover-up of a deaf man by Seattle Police, or the violations from before I took my oath.

    Victimless laws classified as crimes against government are what Thomas Jefferson defined as Tyranny, or that which is illegal for the people, but legal for the government.

    I failed because I haven’t stood up. I am a coward, caring more for my career than for American’s liberty. I failed my duty, and I’ve no honor on Veteran’s day. America is not the land of the free because I haven’t been brave.

    CPT Jack. R. T.
    US Army Resigned – Iraq Vet.
    Level III MACP instructor, USYKA/WYKKO sensei
    Professional Hunter/Trapper/Country living survivalist.

    http://www.facebook.com/toolsofwar

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Found this on Facebook, and had to share.

  • A Canadian Civilian

    How I almost enlisted, Thank God I researched it and did not.

    THIS IS HOW SELL IT!
    —————————–

    I am a 32 year old male and a Canadian. Our Canadian Forces is almost the same as the Marine Corp. We do not have multiple divisions like the American counter parts, (army, marines, green berets, delta force) 13 weeks of boot camp, minimum contract length of 3 years, and trade specialization.

    Once you sign on the dotted line. The Canadian government now own your ass. Here they pitch the education aspects to get people to enroll. How you can be proud for serving your country, help the world. A regiment of combat engineers was sent to Haiti after the massive earthquake. It sounds good. Comes with a pension and full medical benefits.

    The army will pay for relocating expenses, and the education aspect never stops forever furthering your education and Morales of the highest values. There is even a television series titled basic up that shows the good and bad in the military for the recruit boot camp aspect.

    REALITY OF CANADIAN FORCES WITH RESEARCH!
    ——————————————————————-

    Above is the sales pitch, the reality is much different. What appears to be and what is are two different things. I recently need to purchase new ear bud head phones. The electronic store has a set for $30 and waterproof. The specs look good, I bought them, plug it in, worse pair I ever had. Pissed off I chucked them, picked up another pair made by Sony at Walmart for $10, Best bloody sound coming out of them I ever heard, for a ear bud style headset.

    Our army, like the Marine Corp, is dressed in a nice little package, put under the Christmas tree gets you all excited, even has $30 wrapping paper on it. But when you open it up you find out it’s a box of air, the guy beside you who got the $10 wrapping paper gift end up with the working headset.

    Canadian Forces gives you all kinda of education; yes true. Education that useless in the civilian world. Canadian forces gives you morals; false. They exploit your morals in order to encourage you to submit to their will. Boot camp forces the break up of family ties. No contact for first 5 weeks (except one phone call to tell them not to send gifts via mail) Then you are likely not to see one family member or friend for 13 weeks.

    Military provides help for wives of the men in arms. True, they do help you get a job packing bags at a grocery store. Military does not tell you that, Military wife’s are notoriously miserable. I cannot find one military wife and I say military wife, cause that’s who she married. The military is her husband, the guy is a private with no first name.

    The only compliment I heard from a Military wife is the medical benefits is good. That’s it, no serving the country, helping others, it’s respectable. Just the medical benefits are good… What she doesn’t say I believe they keep to themselves out of loyalty to their spouse.

    That shit aside, you earn less than minimum wage. Yup. Minimum wage in my area is about $10.45 I believe, could be almost $11, for argument sake lets assume $10.45 is correct. A new private pay according the the Canadian Forces official website is $2663 and you are taxed on it.

    Based on 167 work hours per month, (40 hour weeks) You start off at $16.94 per hour, but we all know you really are at work for 5am to 6pm almost daily. Lets say you work 6 days a week at 13 hours per day, more realistic. Which is 312 hours plus 4.4% which is 326 hours per month. I am using 4.4% for rounding purposes to compensate that you don’t work exactly 4 weeks per month. It means you are now earning $8.17 per hour. Well below our legal civilian minimum standards. If I did that you as a employer I could be jailed for it.

    This is from the Canadian forces website on housing. I quote:
    —————————————————————————-

    “CF personnel don’t have to live in ‘military barracks’ except
    temporarily while conducting training courses. Many members of the
    Canadian Forces rent apartments or buy houses in nearby towns; and our
    pay rates can make it possible for you to buy that house sooner than you
    might think.”

    The average house in Canada Is just over $300,000 when you use the 1 to 3 ratio for calculating a mortgage, your income before tax must be a 1/3 of the value of the house, then you take a typical 20 year loan. Therefore to buy a house you must earn $100,000 before taxes to qualify.

    No NCM’s earn enough money to buy a house, unless it’s a shit hole. Only a 4th year Major and up for a officer, or a first year Lieutenant-Colonial and up.

    Lets say you a are married, and your wife gets a full time job packing bags, at minimum wage. She’ll make $20,000 a year. It still means you need to earn $80,000 in the army to buy that house. A 5th year Captain and up can buy the house. Or a NCM at the rank of Master Warrant officer 3rd year specialist pay and up can buy the house.

    Basically, If you are lucky and have worked your whole life, you can earn enough to buy a average priced house by the time you retire.

    All this tucked underneath the guise of a “volunteer military” A civilian associates the word volunteer with doing something nice and good for others. Canadian Forces associates the word with submission through indoctrination.

    I do feel sorry for all you soldiers. You enlisted with a good heart. I almost enlisted for the same reason. I feel even more sorry for the neglected familes, the ruined iraqi familes and the soldiers who have killed Iraqi’s because they were following orders. The pain that American soldiers feel after they leave the armed forces and go back to civilian life and wake up from the mental indoctrination of Basic training then try to go back on to normal civilian life. On the books there is a 1 tour 15% PTSD rate from IRAQ. and a 30% PTSD rate for 2 tours. Those are on the books, i can only wonder how many suffer mental anguish off the books.

    I wish you all the best.

  • madmike1968

    that is true but your not supposed to join for pay and benefits. it’s supposed to be about serving your country. it is your civic duty no different from jury duty or paying taxes. what makes military life more miserable than it needs to be is spit and polish,keep the troops busy working parties,mindless cleaning of stuff that’s already clean,hazing and degrading initiations and other forms of dumb shit. that’s what we need to get rid of.

  • outtacontrol.is.incontrol

    BCP question, I by no means am out of shape, the Navy personnel at the hospital were laughing their asses off when they saw me roll up with a Body Composition Paper to be signed to say my thyroid is ok. They straight up said, you don’t need to be on this program. I throw around 50 cals easy and I’m a SAW gunner, plus I love the gym and to swim. So here’s my questions.
    Assuming i “fail” marine corp standards and get admin seperated, what is the discharge? After 6 months with a job does it change to an honorable discharge? If that is the case, and even if it isn’t will I still get the GI bill?
    I only feel the need to explain what I look like because this needs to be a conversation about my questions, not some attack on my physical look because some motards think that Im bsing it to make myself look good online.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    http://www.marines.mil/unit/29palms/SJA/pages/ds_adminsep.aspx

    Here’s some of the basics on Admin Seps, but apparently you have the right to appear before a separations board to present your case, and this can affect your discharge. Because Admin Seps are not punitive, you can only receive an Honorable, General, or OTH from them. But once your discharge has been characterized, it stays that way.

    Also http://www.marines.mil/news/publications/Documents/MCO%206110.3.pdf
    Section 8: Exemptions and Waivers, has the procedure for requesting a BCP waiver. If you have a good PFT & CFT score (which I would expect from someone who loves gym) it’s quite possible that you can get a waiver despite your being “out of regs”.

    I hope this is helpful

    Safety and Peace

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    This country doesn’t need to be served anything but a restraining order from the rest of the world.

  • outtacontrol.is.incontrol

    Thank you for the info, but apparently after the 120 days after notification, if they try to put me on the BCP program, the CO has to see me first, then decide if I need to be on the program or not. At which time he will see me and ask me why the hell i even have these papers and request a waiver saying i look fine in uniform and this will all go away. So much for my hopes of an admin sep…..

  • miserablemom

    My son just finished his first year as a Marine. He is absolutley miserable. I dont know what to tell him or what I can do……he was so proud after boot camp and it has been down hill ever since!

  • madmike196820003

    If I had my way this country would be like Switzerland. you would get several months of good training and then you would be in the reserves or guard. But we would never go anywhere other than maybe a few peacekeeping or humanitarian missions. Let’s sit back and let the rest of the planet police itself. Of course they will come crawling back shortly, but screw them!

  • nco

    Where is he right now? There are times when he’s gonna be miserable. If he is in the fleet, new Marines in many units are treated like crap- especially the infantry units. Some leaders are basically PFC’s with a blood stripe who abuse their authority like a popular high school jock. There is not much he can do- if he rants, just listen. Encourage him to communicate back home when he can: to his family, and friends he trusts.

  • outtacontrol.is.incontrol

    I am in the exact same situation, except when i want to say anything about how im treated or some other crap going on I get the whole “you signed [the deceitful and lie filled] the contract so you must honor it” from my mom. Dont do that to him. All of us were lied to. All we want is someone to be on our side. Luckily my girl wants me out asap, but at the same time it’d be nice to have my mom’s support too…

  • madmike19682003

    I’m sorry but the best advice I can give is for him to just tough it out. If he quits I’m afraid he’ll hate himself the rest of his life. DO NOT turn to drugs or alcohol like so many other Marines foolishly do. Try to get a hobby so that will keep his mind occupied and make time go by faster. One of the things that I despised about being in was it seemed like such a waste of time. While my high scholl friends were going to college I was basically a slave. If he can try to learn or accomplish something new every day it won’t seem like such a waste. When you are a new or “boot” Marine your day to day life can be very miserable, but on the bright side as time goes by and he gains seniority he won’t be messed with as much. He must also educate himself and learn how to game the system. Service members have suprisingly more rights than people often think. If he is being abused or messed with he needs to start requesting mast or begin talking to base legal.

  • 36yellowfin

    How did you manage that

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    4 years are up. Honorable Discharge with 4.5/4.5. Not bad for a shit-bag eh?

    I documented my entire check-out process so if you’re interested here it is:
    http://ihatetheusmc.com/how-to-get-out-of-the-marine-corps/

  • BeenThereDoneThat

    MadMike is absolutely right. It sucked being a junior Marine; hell, it sucked being an NCO at times but his enlistment will only seem long if he continues to dwell on the negatives (which there are a lot of). Advise him to pick a hobby or do something productive. Drinking isn’t a hobby and can only hurt him. I know because that’s all I did my first two years.

    Then it finally dawned on me to just utilize everything that was available to me. The Marine Corps is going to use him for all he’s worth so he may as well as return the favor. I maxed out my Tuition Assistance, had the Marine Corps pay for me taking the SATs, tried to get them to pay for my laser eye surgery (but didn’t have enough time before I got out), let them pay for my gas if they made me go somewhere local and I had to use my own car, used the heck out of the SIngle Marine Program, etc. He can do all these things and more and it’s all fair and legal.

    There is a hobby shop on base (for auto body, wood shop, etc.), library, or just get the hell off base and get away from Marines in general. Depending on where he’s stationed, he can always get away from the drunk idiots that makes his life hell.

    I wish you and your son the best of luck. I’m sure he’ll find his groove and be able to take advantage of everything that’s available to him. Everyday is a day closer to EAS and if he plays his cards correctly, he’ll come out with a good chunk of savings, some sort of degree or certification, and plenty of experience for his resume.

  • madmike

    I am curious as to exactly what combat in Iraq or Afghanistan was like for you guys. Was there a lot of fighting or was it basically driving around waiting to hit a IED? How many times did you actually see the enemy? I was in Desert Storm but that was mostly artillery,tank and rocket duals along with dodging mines and booby traps with very little infantry on infantry combat.

  • dextterous

    Hello there sir, I’m 26yrs old I want to join the marines(infantry) thinking of taking asvab next month, I currently have 1year left college but the thing is I cant afford anymore…its 18,000 per semester. Anyhow benefits are not my main reason for enlisting, I just wanted to become respected marine eversince few years back and later become police officer. My question is are there gonna be big differences between with diploma and without diploma? And if I do enlist this year would I be able to see combat? probably not huh? it would suck if just stay in boots till end of contract.This may sound immature but thats how i feel yea so what are your recommendation? thankyou!!

  • Seriously?

    I think most of the people who are going to respond to you are not going to answer your exact question. They are going to answer with, if you are an intelligent being, do NOT join the Marines…

  • BF2142

    Noooo dont do it! Get a job instead. Only lazy dumb pricks join the Marines

  • Frustrated

    Im in Afghanistan right now with 8 months left in the corps. Once I return back to my base I will have less than 2 months left until eas. Yay!!!!

  • Frustrated

    I’m sorry for ya son. I was the same like him all proud to be a marine and as soon as I hit the fleet it all went away. Unfortunately I decided to drink it away until I finally got njp for underage drinking… That was my turning point to never be friends with marines and to only care about myself… Since then I’ve progressed through my contract and made corporal but it still sucks. Just patiently for it to be over…

    Take my advice don’t be friends with marines they will stab you in the back and just do things on your own and be smart n quiet… Do a lot sucking shit up… There is nothing u can do… Request mast is not that much power becuz u r still in the marine corps n everyone knows each other so u will be stabbed in the back everywhere u go. I’m an nco n I see first hand how that is purely the intention of sncos. They have no respect for marines in general.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Alright, first of all, at 26 years old, I wouldn’t going the marines and especially the infantry. I realize that 26 isn’t that old in the civilian world, but in the military (and pro football) 26 is getting old. Plus, your age won’t count for anything and you’ll be stuck as a brand new Pvt or PFC taking orders from a 19 or 20 year old LCpl.

    Also, a lot of people in the infantry join specifically so they can play dumb. Grunts have a tendency to break things and say “Well I didn’t know, I’m just a dumb grunt.” I’m not saying that they’re all dumb because I did meet one or two smart Grunts, but there’s definitely an unexplainable sense of pride in being stupid (It’s present everywhere in the marine corps but it’s definitely more pronounced in the infantry).

    Now if you can somehow get the cash to finish college and get your degree (I wouldn’t recommend entering the military at all with a degree. But if you do:) I would go in as an officer. You could still be an infantry officer (if the infantry is really what you think you want to do) so you’d basically be just as qualified for a police job after your time is up, and you’d be making more money just starting than a Sgt who’s been in for 8 years.

    If you enlist, it’s actually very unlikely that you’ll see combat, Iraq is over, and (even though we’ll be there until 2024) Afghanistan is pretty much over as well, so combat is highly unlikely.

    My parting message to you: I wasted 4 years of my life in this fucked up institution, and yes now I have benefits for school, but I would rather not have wasted my life and just applied for scholarships and financial aid. I wouldn’t wish the marine corps on anyone. If I can steal a line from another post on this site: http://ihatetheusmc.com/f-m-l/

    “[Recruiters] acknowledge the shit is there, but what they do is they try to cover it up, they talk about benefits, country, school, steady paycheck, medical care, duty to something greater than yourself, all this moto, psuedo-patriotic, and at times, self-interested bullshit.. But really what they’re really doing is trying to cover up the shit, basically, if you read between the lines, they’re saying ‘Yes, I know it’s a shit sandwich, but check it out, we put some tomatoes on it, some pickles, some ranch, some onions, some bacon, a little ketchup and mustard.. it can’t taste that bad after all this awesome stuff that comes with it.’ and then, you sign the contract and there you are, just eating this disgusting shit sandwich, and all the topping’s in the world can’t and won’t make this shit sandwich taste better.”

    Safety and Peace

  • miserablemom

    Thank you all for the great advice. He is in an infantry unit and one of his dissapointments is the heavy drinking by his peers. Since he does not drink, he is automatically not part of the “team”. I know if he could find one other kid as miserable as he is…life might be better. But he feels he is the only one that does not belong. And you are correct his “team leader” is the biggest asshole of the bunch, and they are the same rank! Don’t worry, I am not pushing him to stay in….but I also dont want him to make any rash decisons that will effect him the rest of his life…..my father loved his 30 years in the Marines….I was hoping my son would find the same pride my dad felt.

  • madmike

    That is exactly one of the biggest problems I had. I am also a non drinker and being so will definately put a young marine outside the norm and anything that makes you stick out is gonna get you in trouble. But I was able to tough it out so he can also but it will be a hard,tough road to follow. Sorry but it’s gonna be hard and he will have to stick up for himself since these assholes will damn near try to physically force you to drink. But I did it and won.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    Thank you so much for taking the time to come here and ask for help. This is the whole point of the sites existence. I wish your son the best of luck. All he needs to do is keep his head on his shoulders, and gtfo when his time is up. There are no real positive ways for him to get out early, unfortunately. Stay strong! If things get tough, come on by and ask for help. The community here is always willing to help people in need. Again, thank you for sharing with us.

  • souldofjoindaaiforce

    so i joined the corps in 2010 wanting to be the best and all that bs well i signed a active duty contract in march sometime before high was over i called my recruiter to ask when was i leaving for boot there was no ship date on my contract well he tells me you are not leaving till dec so just sit back and wait. i did not want to wait almost 6 months to go pi especially not in the winter wtf well i made a big deal about it and the gunny tells me no worries i will put you as a reservist and send you to boot in july and i wil change your mos to 0621 that’s radio operator for you who dont know what i like to call the walking dead well he told me dont worry i know you want active but just do this for now and when you come back from mos school in 29 palms i will help you go active duty it will only take a week and you will be on your way to the fleet so i believed him i didnt know he was giving me a bunch of bs so i sign i didnt no any better that once i was at boot there was no turning back i was stuck in the reserves for the next 8 years i have tried all i can to go active and now i am at the point i hate the fact that i even joined dont get me wrong i love the corps i just hate does Marines who make it miserable for everyone else so now i have to balance to life the civilian and the military keep up with all standers and mci and all that bs and also try to work 50 a week and go to school because the Marines happen to be the only branch who does not give the reserves 100 for school just 40 and if you want 100. then do 3 back to back tours or receive 3 concussions and you will be set with school or get a purple heart thats what i was told so guess what my hurt my back while doing a training with army special ops and my last unit i was climbing a tree to put a antenna to get better signal and guess what a ass tap the radio and i was shock and feel off and now i have the worst back and shoulder problems . iam so sick of the reserves its just a waste of my time and the money i loss going to drill from my real job . because what i get paid to go only covers gas well i am don with my rant i could go on for days.

  • thats_pretty_brutal

    Leaving Camp Lejeune with my DD214 in hand.

  • empprizalBach

    Congratulations!!!

  • Wetback

    Can a command/unit deny terminal leave?

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Congrats! I’ve been out for 2 weeks now, it’s been amazing.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Technically they can, because they’re allowed to deny leave for training purposes, etc. However since it’s terminal leave, you obviously won’t be doing any kind of training to speak of. So you should be able to request mast one person higher and get it approved very easily.

  • neglectedE3

    I have a question, ive done 2 deployemnts (combat both OEF) 1 with 3/4 then volunteered for another with 3/7, as soon as we came back my 1st Sgt wouldnt let me go back to 3/4, and said i wouldnt go anywhere, my plt sgt suggest msg so i filled out all my paper work when it got to 1st sgts desk to give the signature the papers “mysteriously” disappeared without a trace, i got a suggestion from my xo to get a hold of the monitor, only 1 problem monitor never answers his phone any one have any suggestions? All i want to do is redeploy thats it just redeploy. I guess i forgot to mention im an 0311

  • neglectedE3

    Another reason i think i might be having problems is Gunny Bennet the 03 monitor used to be in 3/7 fml.

  • Deanosaur

    I known this may sound mean but you’ve got to understand infantrymen drink hard and heavy during wars because of the nature of the job plain and simple. Your Son obviously hasn’t been there yet or he’d have a clue whats really going on around him because they’re all miserable and they’re all drinking hard together because misery likes company. As for you Ma’am I most strongly encourage you to live your own life because if you get caught up in your Son’s life your own personal misery will grow far beyond what you’re feeling now to be sure. While the Marine above wants his Mother’s support, he doesn’t realize shes truly giving it by telling him to suck it up and make it work because in war all this touchy feely sentiment doesn’t exist as Marines go into shutdown in order to emotionally survive which is exactly what the Marines in your Son’s infantry unit are doing. This ain’t the boyscouts and your Son has to learn to adapt otherwise he’ll come home bitter and defeated when it doesn’t have to happen. It’s tough to say the least so advise your Son to either get with God or find something comparable because he’s going to need it otherwise he’s going to become just another hard drinking hard charger who doesn’t care what happens anymore as we deals with the aftermath of his war service. It is what it is because it is what it is Ma’am and it hasn’t changed in the forty years since I left Marine Infantry after Vietnam and I’m still current because my career Seabee Wife just got out and she and all the Seabees and Marines we’ve known very well since before the war are all experiencing the exact same things after their multiple tours. Good luck and God bless you all.

  • Deanosaur

    Devil you might want to get your head in the game and concentrate more on sharpening your skills because you’re going to deploy against some pretty hostile hajis who are hell bent on taking your tender young life. You enlisted during a shooting war so what did you think you were getting yourself into??? Of course everyone is screwed up in the head because a lot of good Marines have died in some pretty stupid ways and everyone is wondering if they’ll be next so don’t you think shit flows down hill where you fresh young faces are catching hell because your been there – done that peers can’t throw the real shit uphill where they really want to??? Right now you’re not seeing it but your Mother is telling you totally straight because if you quit now you’re quitting on yourself and she knows this while your Girl is just being your Honey who is reacting to what you’re telling her and sadly you’re buying into the one with no real life experience to have a truly informed opinion on what the hell she’s talking about. You ain’t the first nor will you be the last Devil to experience this bullshit from young knucleheads too proud to admit they’re reacting out of fear instead of using their common sense so when the time comes and you become an NCO remember all this and lead your Marines the way you want to be led now and it’ll make all of this worth it. Life is a learning curve Champ, raise the bar my young Brother. God bless and good luck. Stay safe.

  • Deanosaur

    Time for you junior Marines to wake up and realize you’re new boots so of course you’re going to get all the shit details and treated like crap because your peers can’t take their real frustrations out on their superiors anymore than you can. It’s all part of your right of passage just like boot camp so suck it up, learn how to improvise, adapt and overcome and use these life lessons as learning tools to always lead the way you want to be led for the rest of your professional lives. You’re in the Corps that’s drawing down and still fighting a shooting war so naturally everyone feels an uncertain future and they’re acting out with all the heavy drinking and us vs. them mentaility. Find your own way. If someone is totally picking on you just to make themselves look good and feel better at your expense you can always practice your fighting skills, pull the sucker aside in private, tell them to knock it off or else and if they get in your face then call them out and beat the sucker down in private so there’s not witnesses. Believe their attitude adjustment and bruises will be noticed and your life will become much easier as others back off as well. Sometimes you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do just don’t use this drastic technique simply because you’re going through what everyone else has because again, you’re just new and it’s all part of the process of truly becoming a Marine. God bless and good luck to you all. Stay safe.

  • PuttingShitSTR8

    Actually this is false. Men are not allowed to drink alcohol while they are in country, zero.

  • weekend_dinner

    You forgot to mention that fighting is not allowed either. This guy is blind to the fact the he, himself is contributing to the overall problem. As long as there are men like this, there will be a corrupt Corps…

  • swizzlestik

    I have and still DO support my son. Ninja Punch, Civilian and a few others can attest to that fact. It doesn’t mean the guy is a pussy because his MOTHER stands behind or beside of him…pure and simple. What kind of parent would turn their back on their own child?
    I don’t give a hot damn if he’s 2 years old or 72 years old…he is STILL his or her son.
    I can understand her encouragement to bear with it and do the best you can. However, I also understand the amount of smoke that was blown up your ass as well as hers by the recruiter(s). At the end of the day, YOU are the one who ha to live with YOUR own decisions/regrets/successes.

  • swizzlestik

    UPDATE: My son received word from the Marine Corps in D.C. They admitted that his allegations WERE indeed substantiated by others and the ‘proper’ administrative steps were taken to rectify the situation.
    HOWEVER, they still told him he had to go through miles of red-tape-bullshit to get his separation code and re-enlistment code changed…blah, blah, blah. To this I said, “Awww HELL NO!” And everyone knows you never get a southern mom spouting those words…end of story.

    So I get on the phone and call directly to Amos’s office and demanded an appt to see him personally. I related the entire story to a MSgt who assures me that all my infomation (I e-mailed him all of the documentation of both investigations, etc) will be given directly to Amos himself. He asked that I allow him at least two weeks to complete this.

    Two weeks, he has. After that, my son and I will personally be on the steps of Amos’s office if the outcome isn’t conducive to our definition of justice. I’m not blowing smoke out of my ass.
    I’ve done this before in D.C. many years ago, but it was the US Army I took on and WON. So this ain’t my first rodeo wading through military bullshit.

    I can prove this any damned day of the week.

    So stay tuned boys and girls…this should be interesting to say the very least!
    And to any of the morons that want to say I should stay out of this…my son was always there for me…ALWAYS even through my darkest times beginning when he was only 6 years old. He was my rock. So you’re damned skippy, I’m gonna be there for him. Like it, lump it, stump it, hump it or bump it.
    I am not your ordinary southern belle. I am more.

  • outtacontrol.is.incontrol

    Exactly, boot camp is the rite of passage or whatever you want to call it. people with this warped mindset are just as much of a problem as the jackasses making it hell for the rest of us. YOUR corp is corrupt. When I EAS I am never looking back, this is the biggest waste of time and biggest mistake one could ever make in their lives.

  • outtacontrol.is.incontrol

    Dont do it to yourself, it’s not worth it at all. There is no more war, its some politicians trying to keep controlling a big minefield. Go air force or navy, this is the wrong branch for anyone who wants a future beyond liquor, getting physical disabilities, or being a slave

  • outtacontrol.is.incontrol

    Please do whatever you can to hurt the marine corp.

  • swizzlestik

    LOL. Thanks for your support. I can certainly feel your pain.
    My son and I are not out to ‘hurt’ the Corps. We are however, calling them on the carpet to fess up, man up and live up to their own creeds, mottos, oaths and regulations…period.
    I can most assuredly tell you that we will NOT give up nor give in. We are determined to prove to them what REAL HONOR, COURAGE and COMMITTMENT are by showing them from the ground up.
    I have NO QUALMS sitting face-to-face with James Amos or anyone else for that matter. I demanded proof from Amos himself that he IS aware of our allegations and complaints and I will expect and except nothing less.
    Stay Tuned!

    BTW, there is always an ACE up my sleeve babe. I’ve got this covered…trust me.

  • FoxtrotTangoNovember

    I concur, except join the Air Force, if you absolutely, positively have to enlist. Don’t join the Corps and don’t join the Navy, either. Take my word for it, the Navy is 100% fucked. You’ll hate it just like you’ll hate the Marine Corps. If you want to be a GI, go Air Force. It’s a great way of life.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gary.winstead.3 Gary Winstead

    sorry for this but it is a test i am trying to figure out how to post here

  • swizzlestik

    This is a confirmation. You succeeded! LOL

  • http://www.facebook.com/gary.winstead.3 Gary Winstead

    ok, trying again to post. can’t figure it out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gary.winstead.3 Gary Winstead

    ok if that worked and others are reading this i need information. i am writing a book about my experience in the corps from 67-71. from reading here it sounds like it could be worse now than when i was in.
    all input would be anonomous
    if anyone or all would like to share please contact me.
    my editor feels it would make a good afterward to my book.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    I’ve been known to dabble in writing from time to time. What kind of info are you looking for?

  • judgewestenn

    I have a question; why is it easier for someone to get out for getting in trouble than for a legitimate medical reason?!? I’ve been trying to go to mental health for a while now and all my shop has done is chew me out and take away my liberty and put me on suicide watch. But someone with three NJPs has to go, but for me, as they all firmly believe, “I’m just making it up,” and, “I need to suck it up.” I have some really serious mental issues and they keep trying to stop me and make things worse. The only thing I can do is keep getting kicked on the ground and hope for the best…it’s complete bullshit that people get treated this way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gary.winstead.3 Gary Winstead

    ninja-punch, i am seeking specific details about verbal and physical abuse, out right lies told to someone, deceit, etc, the because i i said so and i out rank you,
    as an example. someone forgot to put hydrolic fluid in one of our phantoms back in 68 and since i
    was low man the sergeant in charge wrote me up and told the commanding officer i was to blame. fortunately for me the sign off required a special stamp of approval for the work done and when i mentioned i never had one i was let off with no punishment.
    because i would not comform to the status quo it took me 42 months to make e4 and then only after i got married.
    my book is rife with these kind of abuses,
    too many to list here
    all information would be anonomous as this would be an afterward to the book about how not much has changed.
    thank you for considering this.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    I’ll see what I can do for you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gary.winstead.3 Gary Winstead

    thankyou

  • scum

    dropped out of the dep program today. seems like a good choice.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Congrats!

  • scum

    what do i do now though ?

  • FoxtrotTangoNovember

    Ninja, I’m working on a similar project. I’d really like to get your thoughts. I’ve already run it by Civilian via e-mail. If we can hook up by e-mail or IM, I’d like to talk to you about it. I’d prefer not to discuss it publicly on the board.

  • name

    Start living your life. Get a job, go to school, change the world. The beauty of your current situation is that you have nobody telling you what to do. You are now free to do anything! No go forth, and do something awesome. Tell yourself what to do. If you rely on some idiot to tell you what to do, you will end up doing something stupid.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Have to agree. Go to school if you can, there’s all sorts of financial aid programs out there to help you pay for it. You can literally do whatever you like

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    I got your email from the moderator panel. I’ll be emailing you shortly.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian
  • http://www.facebook.com/gary.winstead.3 Gary Winstead

    that will certainly help in my quest

  • madmike

    look into ROTC or the reserves so you can serve and go to school at the same time. as for scholarships i’ve learned some of the best are those little 2 or 3 hundred dollar ones since they are easy to get. they hand them out to anyone who asks basically. if you can get a couple dozen of those it will really help. you might wanna do the first 2 years of school in a community college since they are cheaper than traditional colleges and they are built for working adults not just kids living off mommy and daddy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gary.winstead.3 Gary Winstead

    Ninja, any thougts and i too would prefer this via email if possible. thank you for your help.

  • Rugrat

    Ninja punch,if you get hit with an njp do you lose your tuition assistance for the year?

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Short Answer: No you do not.

    Long Answer: The marine corps Tuition Assistance Funding Policy ( http://www.marines.mil/news/messages/Pages/2005/MARINE%20CORPS%20TUITION%20ASSISTANCE%20(TA)%20FUNDING%20POLICY.aspx ) Section 3, Bullet K, states that the only marines who are not eligible for TA are those who are receiving an Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, or Dishonorable Discharge,or are pending AdSep instead of one of those discharges, or those who’ve been convicted by foreign courts or are serving time in a foreign prison.

    So no NJP does not affect your eligibility for TA. HOWEVER, (pause for effect) it may have a negative influence on your Commanding Officer when it comes time for him to sign your TA request papers. So it may make things more difficult for you, but you don’t lose your TA for the year.

    Safety and Peace

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Of course, I’ve begun typing a draft of some of my personal experiences. When I feel I have something decent I’ll be sure to send it to you.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Hey Civilian, I don’t think anyone has thanked you for creating this site recently. So I just wanted to say thanks for providing a place where everyone can gather and realize that they’re not the only ones who despise the marine corps, and where we can all learn from each other’s experiences.

    So from one free man to another: Thanks.

    Safety and Peace

  • FoxtrotTangoNovember

    Thanks for the link, Ninja.

  • FoxtrotTangoNovember

    I second that. This is a great resource. You are to be commended for all you do. Bravo Zulu!

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    That was Civilian’s link, but you’re welcome. lol

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    Hey thanks man! I am pretty sure this is the first thank you, ever. I will not forget!

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    Thank you!

  • swizzlestik

    Civilian, I’m ashamed that I have not thanked you. So THANK YOU!!!
    And big thanks to Ninja_Punch for reminding us to be grateful for all things. :))

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    Thank you, mucho appreciation

  • swizzlestik

    In spite of what any of us feel about the Marine Corps, the military or our country in general, I still want to wish everyone a safe and Happy 4th of July. Many lives were sacrificed over a couple hundred years to make our country free. And even though she isn’t perfect, I can’t think of any place I’d rather call home. Thanks to ALL who have served or are serving. God Bless the U.S.A.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    I second this notion! Although the Nordic territories seem quite appealing these days lol.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    I realize that this is somewhat off topic, but does anyone have any legitimate info on the National Guard as opposed to the marines?

    I have a friend who’s looking in to the National Guard to help her pay for college (she already has a degree but she wants to continue to further her education). My initial reaction was “Don’t do it!” but to be fair to her, I want to be able to present a fair and balanced idea of what the guard is actually like. Basically I don’t want to be painting her a picture of the marines, if the guard is entirely different.

    Safety and Peace

  • madmike

    Ninja Punch. i have never been in the guard and reserves but in my experience reservists do seem like a better class of people than active duty marines,etc. one trick i would recommend is join a unit that is filled with college kids. i went to a college that had 2 different army reserve units on campus property. and those guys were way more impressive than marines because of intelligence,education and middle class values. it also goes without saying that the air force is the most intellectual branch so she might lean that way.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Interesting thought… I’ll have to do some research and bring that up to her the next time I see her. Thanks

  • Carter

    What are you guys talking about? Seriously? War is the answer. Always has been, always will be.

    “No one in their right mind would tame a tiger the way you would a house cat, and expect it to work out well, yet people try to do the same thing with 18 year olds packing billions in ordnance. The moral of the lesson, quit trying to tame a wild animal, you fucking can’t.”

    You say that like you know what you’re talking about. You have no clue what military training does. It makes you better than civilian. Honestly, they’re the animals. People are stupid, ignorant and self- righteous. A person alone is an intelligent being. Training makes that group, those people, into intelligent beings that can function together. You don;t know a goddamn thing.

    Immorality doesn’t matter when you are fighting for your life, the lives of the soldiers around you, and your country. You just do what you need. but you wouldn’t know a fucking thing about that.

    You’re right. People are naive. They are stupid. Especially civilians. You and I can see eye to eye on that, at least. But you know what? You are a person too. All of you are. And that’s why you’re too stupid, too ignorant, too arrogant, too blind to see the honor in the men that fight and die for you. You need training. You need a fucking lesson in respect. You can;t blame the Marine Corps for something that happened. Soldiers enlist willing to fight and die. It’s their choice. It’s a volunteer military for a reason. Know that. Look at the men inside, not the organization you so un-intellectually judge.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      Upset.

    • hooyut

      Spoken like a true indoctrinated slave, bravo pawn, bravo. Now let’s step back from the propaganda for a few moments, shall we?

      When was the last time an armed conflict was fought to protect the freedoms of Americans? I’ll let you run in circles screaming 1775, chesty puller, and 2 marines, two medals of honor to try to come up with the answer. But, then again, I won’t wait that long for you to process reality. The last armed conflict to protect American freedom was the Battle of 1812 when the British tried to take back over.

      Read Major General Smedley Butler’s book, “War is a Racket”. That is what a man with 2 Medals of Honor thought about war. As he states, “To Hell with War!”

      I just spoke to a Vietnam vet a few days ago, he found out when he was there, lo and behold the First Lady had an oil rig right off the coast, but let’s not forget about the False Flag attack of the Gulf of Tonkin.

      Iraq maybe? Let’s see… WMDs they knew weren’t there…. or maybe because they began to sell oil in euros rather than the petrodollar? The deal American made back a few decades was that oil could only be sold in dollars aka federal reserve notes. Looks like it was time for an invasion.

      What about the uprising in Libya, for the dictator Gadhafi right? But wait, he was working with other North African countries to build a gold backed currency that would have devalued the dollar, so who comes rolling in to scream democracy? None other than the CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC of the United States.

      Democracy is the last step before tyranny we must not forget.

      But Afghanistan! Those terrorist harboring monsters! Or perhaps the poppy field growers and untapped mineral resources? Was that army general supposed to mention the mineral resources to the public? No, he got shut up fast.

      Let’s not delve into the vast numbers of combat vets from the last decade’s war of terror who agree it was pointless and did nothing to protect America. If you truly believe the official story like the lemming the government wants you to be, then the terrorists won.

      The whole point of terror is to psychologically destroy a country. Look what happened here: Unconstitutional laws are abundant, the troops have been maimed and demoralized, and the police state is in full swing, there has been such a loss of freedom to say the terrorists didn’t win just sounds ignorant!

      But then again you would have to deny the facts, reality, and visual footage to say that 9/11 was not staged in some part by the US government. But by all means, put on a wool coat and dance in the streets saying the government will protect you.

      The military of this government is nothing more than a tyrannical, corporate, imperialistic monstrosity that has terrorized the world for the last decade. To not realize that is to be too arrogant, ignorant, and blind.

      The institution follows the criminal orders of a criminal and corrupt government, the problem is not entirely the men who believe they are joining a righteous cause, but in a large part the fault of an institution who knows how to propagandize, brainwash, and indoctrinate a very weak-minded people.

      I could go on, but unless you wake up it will be nothing more than words on a computer screen to you.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      The vast majority (like 95+%) of people who are frequent users of this site are either active duty marines or marine veterans. We know what military training does. We know it attempts to make you a stupid, mindless, slave who is incapable of functioning in the real world without your master to give you constant instructions. Military training does not make the group “intelligent”, it attempts to make them all equally stupid.

      Do you know what I love about your line about “fighting for your life, the lives of the soldiers around you, and your country”. Is that is actually a tacit admission of guilt. The idea of fighting for your country is patently false. You cannot show me a freedom gained (or prevented from being lost) as a result of these wars. So if you are “fighting for your life, the lives of the soldiers around you” you admit that – if none of you went in the first place – there would be no reason for any of you to go, so these wars are pointless slaughter!

      Frankly there is no honor in “the men that fight and die for [us]“. They can believe with every ounce of their being that they are fighting for freedom, and that doesn’t make it any less untrue. We’ve been there. We’ve seen it. And we know it’s a lie. You need to break out of the chains of your training and learn a lesson in global politics and what’s really going on.

      Lastly, yes, yes we can blame the marine corps as a institution. People may join voluntarily, but as Truman once said, the marine corps has “a propaganda machine that is almost equal to Stalin’s”. The marine corps expends countless energy painting a picture of itself as an elite and professional force, that in no way reflects the reality. Recruiters – as part of the propaganda machine – are tasked with harvesting the children who have been duped by the propaganda that they have been fed since the first time they saw a marine kill a lava monster. This doesn’t exonerate the people in the institution, but it does show that we can blame the institution and its polices as well.

      I think Hooyut has covered everything else already, so I’ll leave you with that.

      Safety and Peace

    • Knob_Gaudy

      I also used to think that I was so much superior to all these civilians that had no intention to join and “defend their country”. I thought that America was better than all other countries, because I was born there and thats what I was told all my life, not for any actual logical, tangible reason.

      Like Ninja and Hooyut said, at the end of the day you are not fighting for anybody’s freedom. Freedom, country, patriotism, its all a crock of shit and lies, to manipulate you into approving of your government’s actions, to stop you from realizing that by being in the military uniform, there is very little differentiating you from a gang member, murdering people for turf, money, and the pure hell of it. A war between “countries” is just a gang war on a larger scale.

      I also see that you didn’t really object to what I said about the morality in war, or claim the opposite, that we can somehow restrain people fighting from unnecessary killing, raping, stealing and destruction. As you put it, you just do what you need to do. Thats a copout and a rationalization for the bad behavior elicited by war. Criminals and and worse say the same thing to justify their actions.

      I don’t understand your objection to criticizing the institution over individuals( Although my post was solely about war, not any military organization). Seems that most “patriotic” types that aren’t complete idiots find it acceptable to criticize the government and its foreign policy, but never the troops themselves, yet you’re essentially telling me to put the troops on blast, the “men inside” rather than the organization? huh.

  • joeshome

    people who hate the USMC or any of the branches of military is stupid. if they hate military then they hate america its people like this that make these stupid ass websites that are ruining our amazing country. W need people to defend our country and i respect the people who do and making a website that clearly states ihatetheusmc.com is just plain fucking rude and unjust. People gave their live just to protect your asses and now your bashing them and calling them stupid for protecting your ass. It is just disrespectful to the families and the people who serve this amazing country and gave their lives for us.

    • Knob_Gaudy

      You come on here spouting this military worship, yet I guarantee you are one of those sunshine patriots who haven’t enlisted and never will. That or you are a poolee.Put your money where your mouth is, we’ll be here when you figure it out. I thought just like you until I got to wear the uniform for a bit and see that its all a big LIE. Read a few of these articles on here and see what its really like to be in the military. Most of this community is in the Corps or a vet, others like me did time in NROTC and at military colleges.

    • hooyut

      Ok anonymous and unintelligent poster, never once have we ever bashed a Continental Marine, George Washington or any of the guys who fought off the British in the Revolution or the Battle of 1812.

      The only guys who can come under fire are the guys who have fought in any other war. But not all the blame can be placed on them, many of them cannot break free of the chains of brainwashing and propaganda.

      There is a huge difference between hating the iron fist of a tyrannical and imperialistic government and hating the Constitutional Republic built using the Constitution that once was a great nation.

      On one hand we have the standing armies that the founders knew weren’t a good idea and on the other hand we have the Constitution, the single most freedom protecting document chaining a government ever created.

      As a country when referencing society, if you think what it’s becoming is amazing, you have your head buried in the sand and think with your emotions, not your brain.

      If you are referencing the war culture in the 3 branches and the Navy’s USMC then you obviously have never been able to think beyond the thought processes of pawn.

      The idea of what this country once was and could have been I cherish deeply, but what it is now? To not despise it IS un-American.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Three comments from people who don’t realize that virtually every person who frequently visits this site is either an active duty marine or a marine veteran? Did you three get together and say “We don’t have a clue what we’re talking about, but by god we will be heard!”? Is that how it happened, or is this just a wacky coincidence?

      So according to you, if I hate physical and psychological abuse, sexual assault, murder, wrongful imprisonment/imprisonment without charges, and torture, then I hate america. Well if that’s what america is then I must plead guilty, although I think you would find

      Now then, consider this:

      The U.S. is:
      46th in Press Freedom

      21st in Democracy

      19th in Government Corruption

      35th in Math

      18th in Reading

      29th in Science

      1st in the number of incarcerated citizens

      And has the 2nd highest child poverty rate of any developed country.

      So, where’s that “amazing country” that we’re “ruining” by “rudely” and “unjustly” telling people the truth about the marine corps? I keep looking for that “amazing country” that you keep talking about, but I can’t seem to find it… maybe America’s in the way?

      I would absolutely respect anyone who is defending freedom; however, the troops that you’re worshipping are not performing this function in any way shape or form. In fact, I would argue that it is you who exalts the foolish “sacrifices” of troops, who disrespects and does disservice to those same troops and their families. To that end, I present the following video for your consideration.

      Safety and Peace

  • Knob_Gaudy

    It’s absurd to me that people talk about how lucky and grateful we are to have free speech, then tell us not to exercise our free speech in the same sentence, all because we criticize their sacred cows and expose their idols.

    • FailedToAdapt

      Poetic irony.

  • madmike

    I’m curious. When I was in we were always told that “militaries are reflections of the societies that they serve”. Has anyone here ever heard the same thing or are people now trained to think you are better than civilians? I was in from 1988 – 1992 so things were a lot different. There was absolutely no troop worship and no one EVER thanked me for my service. We were like garbage collectors…people were glad we existed but no one really thought about us. I believe in a military to defend America but I don’t believe in this expeditionary, go overseas, war on terror crap. I’m not anti military but I am anti how we run the military. How many people here would have still joined but just done it differently?

    • hooyut

      In my current stage of thinking I would never have joined up, read major general Smedley Butler’s book, “War is a Racket”. it takes about 20 minutes max and is 14 pages long.

      War is nothing but the poor dying and the rich getting richer, blood for money.

      A standing army is a bad thing, like the founders said, look what it is used for. Power and money corrupts most men and it attracts them the most. To have a standing army would only lead to the outcome we currently have.

      When I look at the actual effect my service had on the people of the country I directly affected I feel humiliated. I did not do one thing to protect the Constitution or any American. I made it so people could be slaughtered in the most brutal ways in another country I would never live in.

      Of course to not have war would require moral men to be in power and humanity cannot handle that kind of honor. Why this guy wasn’t elected of course.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      In boot camp in 2008, my DI’s were very clear that the only thing more disgusting that a recruit was a civilian. I guess from a strange sort of “marketing” standpoint I could understand that, trying to make recruits think of getting sent home as a failure, instead of a restoration of their rights. But my DI’s went far beyond what would’ve been needed to instill that fear of failure. As I said, it was blatant that civilians were the only thing lower than a recruit.

      As for your question about joining if the military were different… I suppose it would depend on how different it was. I’ve actually advocated for reforming all branches of military into “national guard” style units. If you look at the numbers, the Army national guard has about 1/3 of the army’s total operational capabilities, but operates on 10% of the budget (the Air national guard has similar proportions). Based on this I say let’s reform all of the branches into national guard type units, and cut the DoD’s budget to around 35%-50% of what it currently is.

      I would suspect that that would cut down on “careerism” in the military, since a guardsman’s pay/retirement is pretty modest, and virtually everyone in the guard needs a job outside of the military to support him/herself. Further, I would suspect that this could reduce the instances of/increase the reporting of hazing, sexual assault and any number of other problems. In active duty life, the people you report (and their buddies) have all sorts of opportunities to make every moment of your life a living hell for years. In the reserves, they have 2 days out of the month to try to take reprisals. Granted there would still need to be efforts to prevent reprisals, but the threat of reprisal would carry less weight in convincing people not to report problems.

      So I suppose, depending on the nature and extent of the changes, I might consider joining a national-guard-style, defense-oriented military, but there would need to be some very extensive, and radical changes that I don’t foresee ever occurring.

      Safety and Peace

    • free_bird

      Air Force

    • Bubba

      I was in boot in 2006-07. My DIs didn’t really bash civilians as much but held us to a ‘higher’ standard. Our SDI was more humble and preached us to be ‘silent’ professionals- something I learned in the Marines. One thing I would have done differently was waiting for my first choice mos to open up.

      I was a reservist by contract so I pretty much blend in with civilians and I had no regrets. I did some active duty tours here and there and the only time people thank me was when I was conducting funeral details or doing Toys 4 Tots events while in uniform while on I&I duty. I seldom where Marine shirts. A lady I dated for a bit didn’t even know I was a Marine until she overheard me talking to another Marine.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    I have some good ideas that I want everyone to try out to help people who come here to talk down to us about the site understand our purpose.

    1. Remember, one trick you can use is to always compliment first. This warms them up and will make them more likely to listen to what follows more closely. Find the best thing in their comment and commend them for their insight. Trust me, this works like a charm.

    2. When you address their negative statements, let them know that you understand how they feel since they are very proud and protective of their service and branch. Then follow up with some questions that they should answer in the head. It’s clear to me, that when you attack someones position, they will do whatever they can to defend it, even if they know they are wrong. People hate being wrong. And when you call them out, they resent you and will not be likely to listen to what you have to say next. Try to be gentle as if you would like to them really just take a step back and think for a moment. Then follow up with the question “does that help you understand our position a bit better?” or something along those lines.

    3. Basic rule of sales. The yes yes yes technique. Ask them questions that they must say yes to. The rule of thumb is three, but more is always better right? This really warms them up and leads them to be more objective with your proposals. Example: “Would you agree that there is problems with hazing in some units?”. Would you agree that there are those in the military that have rank and do not always do the right thing and abuse their position a bit? Would you agree that troops are often tasked with pointless tasks for many dumb reasons, including but not limited to incompetence, trying to look like your marines are productive and busywork. Would you agree that marines often get fucked by the green weenie?”

    4. If all else fails, you could always use the argument of authority and point them to the marine corps times article that explains the origins and purpose of this website. I think that article represents us well and many will most likely form a new opinion of our operation.

    I can go on and on, but I think these basic fundamentals will help some people who are upset about this website understand. Obviously many of them are not willing to read through the content and form an informed opinion, so in order to make them understand we must guide them. Lets give it a shot and see how it goes. Also, these techniques work very well in every day life. Especially if you are trying to get people to like and look up to you.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I will stand behind this proposal whole-heartedly. I know about as well as anyone on this site that repeating the same few talking points over and over again is annoying (i.e. telling people that most of us actually are marines/veterans, not kids who don’t know anything about the military). I know that listening to people spout marine corps propaganda can be infuriating at times.

      That said, I have to agree with S. We can handle that better than we have in the past.

      Safety and Peace

      • VssVintorez

        Good life advice right there!

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    Wounded soldiers told to sign form agreeing not to criticize military for their own good: senior officer. Disclaimer, this is Canadian.

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/04/02/wounded-soldiers-given-guidance-on-public-statements-for-their-own-good-senior-officer-says/

  • Knob_Gaudy

    looked at the Marine Corps time article again, S youre 2 years older than me, ninja is only a year older than me. Thats interesting

    • FailedToAdapt

      Holy cock-sucking Mary, you are older than me. I was under the impression you were a year younger than I.

  • hooyut

    Gun Control Works

  • free_bird

    Have any of you guys ran into people that claim they were Marines but can’t even answer where they went to bootcamp or what their rank was or what MOS they had etc. I crack up when they say they can’t answer the questions because “they were not allowed to disclose top secret information” or “they were so traumatized by war that they ‘forgot’ everything.”

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I’ve never encountered anyone like that… although I suppose I’m not surprised that people like that are out there.

    • fool

      People who talk too much are the ones lying or exaggerating. I had my blues on at a bar for a Toys for Tots event and the lady ask me how to spot a fake because some guy hitting on her claims he’s a Marine. I asked her what did he say. He claimed to be a ‘Special Forces’ soldier with the Marines. I tried so hard not to laugh and told the lady to confront the guy because he’s full of it. No branch has Special Forces soldiers other than the Army. Sure enough, the dude came out and was all moto. And he was dumb enough to say he was a Special Forces soldier in the Marines again. The lady called out his BS and he looked at me expecting me to back him up. The shit was funny.

      At my unit, we had a Lcpl wear ribbons and a jump wing he didn’t rate. He got called out at the Marine Corps Ball by a vet. The idiot got busted to PFC.

    • AAVPOG

      I used to meet people like that every now and again in my pre-hermit days. There is a VA in town, but that doesn’t seem to keep them from lying even though they obviously never even made it to PI or SD. Usually young gangster-wannabe-type white boys trying to run game on chicks or homeless guys panhandling. It used to fill me with the urge to act with a large amount of stupidity (and occasionally it still does when they lie about deployments, awards, or injuries), but I find it more amusing and socially acceptable to pester them with questions and asinine anecdotes until the ladies (or whoever) catch on to their ruse. I call 5-0 on panhandlers when their story is obvious bullshit and won’t drop the act and move on, though.

  • lian

    My boy friend who i had dated for 9 years,already living together suddenly woke up and said to me last January that he does not love me anymore,he is not happy with the relationship,he said he does not want us to live a miserable life together,he said to me that he has already rented a new place and wants to move in with a girl he meet at work,i begged and pleaded with him but all my effort fail,i became desperate and searched for solution,that was how i meet the great spell caster winexbackspell@gmail.com he told me all i needed to do,he cast the WIN EX BACK SPELL for me and after 3 days my lover came back to me living the other lady begin for my forgiveness,i was so surprise if such help still exist,i am so happy winning my heart back again.

  • Ron

    Very interesting and insightful site. The son of a guy I work with just finished bootcamp in SD. The very proud father insisted on telling everyone on our work conference call that his son selected the Infantry MOS. I was wondering what the top reasons are for people selecting Infantry over the other things you could do based on your collective experience? What MOS’s are best for transitioning into decent vocational jobs in the civilian world? Thanks.

    • Knob_Gaudy

      I have observed wanting to be infantry was a matter of pride, ignorance, and sheer naivete. The culture of the Corps as presented via film, tv, books, and the recruiters is if you go in as anything not combat arms you’re a pussy. After all, its the “MARINES”, and MARINES want to “fight”. Joining infantry is supposed to be the culmination of the ultimate male fantasy, to be badass warrior killer in a band of brothers who gets all the ladies and does it all for his “country”. Do you see how naive this shit is? yet I and many others fell for this, at least for a while.

      • madmike

        I was infantry from 1988 to 1992. I picked being a grunt because it was the most bad ass MOS and because I thought it was the REAL Marine Corps. Everyone else is just support. But to be serious I tell people you have the best people in the Marines and the worst people in the Marines…in the infantry. You get the most patriotic, dedicated, driven and just most kickass guys in that field. But you also get the misfits that aren’t smart enough to do anything else and a lot of high school geeks who wanna be a badass for the only time in their life.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      In my experience (and I’ll gladly defer to any of the actual infantrymen on the site), the main reasons for going infantry are video games, war movies, and recruiter propaganda. All three of those tend to paint the picture of the infantryman as the guy who’s out there killing bad guys, dodging land mines left and right, lobbing grenades into enemy bunkers, winning the medal of honor, and coming home to thunderous applause! Really, if it worked like that, who wouldn’t sign up? When you put it that way it sounds pretty awesome.

      Honestly, I don’t think I have to tell you that that’s not the way it works in real life. In real life you take out the Sgt Maj’s trash and mop the floors of the company office, until you finally get selected to go on a deployment to a country that is currently safer than some parts of chicago.

      As for MOS’s that translate to civilian jobs… Maybe admin. The marine corps mostly works on systems that were invented in the 60′s and 70′s but I’m sure being good at paperwork probably translates if you want to get into a white-collar type of profession. If you want to be a trucker, Motor Transport must be fairly comparable. I know that I was told that Combat Engineer was great for people who wanted to get into construction, but honestly I learned more in a high school shop class. I guess to make a long story short: When the corps says you’ll get transferrable job skills, take that with a grain of salt. You might get some, but they might be terribly outdated.

      Safety and Peace

      • free_bird

        I crack up when you describe the USMC with brutal honesty. It sounds bad but everything you say are facts that are 100% true.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Thank you kindly. “Brutal honesty” is exactly what I’m aiming for.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        This is one of those posts that needs to be made into an article lol. I bet you have a lot of good material in your comment history now that I think of it.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          I might have to get on that… This would be an interesting template for an article if nothing else.

    • hooyut

      Ninja and Knob hit it right on the head. A vile mixture of propagandized brainwashing and a naïve pride. I was 0311 and it was the worst mistake of my life.

      Aside from being the iron fist of a corrupt imperialistic government, the daily life, physical and mental toll it took was unbelievable.

      I began to snap out of the brainwashing around 6 months in and from then on it was hell, I was quite literally not stupid enough to understand what I was participating in. Nothing made any sort of rational sense. Waking up and morning activities, daily tasks, field day (of course), and even training meant for the fields of WWI and WWII.

      If this guy’s son wakes up he will be out as soon as he possibly can. If not, he will just be another motard that has no consideration for any life, just another motard who treats everyone like they owe him something, just another motard who could never make it in civilian life.

    • free_bird

      In all translation being a USMC grunt is the worst job in the military. Most people never get promoted past E-3 after four years and they work three times harder than any other MOS. That is why it only takes an ASVAP score of 35 to get in. Sorry to all the grunts here.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        I think 0811′s have it the worst.

      • Knob_Gaudy

        I scored a 90 when I took it. maybe if you get above a certain score, they should automatically disqualify you from MOS and military branches that are lower tiers, to increase retention and not surround smart people with idiots.

    • Ron

      Thanks for all the responses. It sounds like a lot of 18 year olds are making career/life decisions based on for lack of a better term recruiting propaganda. That is kind of sad and a disservice to those young people. Based on my experience with my work colleague, it sounds like some of the parents of these young recruits are buying into it too. My opinion is that there is nothing wrong with joining the USMC and selecting a particular MOS as long as you know exactly what you are getting into to. Obviously, that transparency seems to be lacking for most folks to know what exactly they are getting.

      I do know of folks who have translated their military experience into successful and relatively well-paying jobs in the civilian world doing computer/information security work for companies in the space and defense industry. Most of these folks I know have come out of the USAF.

    • Sgt

      Most Marines who go infantry will try to go scout sniper, recon or MARSOC- assuming their bodies don’t break down from continuous deployments. Hell if your son can go into a FAST unit, he’ll get more training in various forms of combat. More often than not, infantry Marines will lat move or quit after 4 yrs.

      I served in the Marines and now in the National Guard. Talking to soldiers, they said there is more BS in the Army too. I guess this is why many infantry soldiers try out for specialized units and special operations. They hate the BS that goes on.

      Here is my experience of why people chose infantry:
      1. They grew up enjoying the outdoors: hunting, hiking long distances, love to be out in the elements and enjoy the suck. These types of guys will make it and generally make their units better by training Marines in these skills.
      2. They want a stepping stone to get into special operations or specialized units such as snipers. For certain MOS’s such as snipers, you MUST have an infantry or special operations MOS (job). For recon and MARSOC, having an infantry background helps but it is not mandatory.
      3. The ‘cool’ factor. Most of the time now a days, city kids or suburban kids who barely spends anytime outdoors think it’s cool to be in the infantry due to the media, etc. They are usually show offs who try to act hardass but look foolish doing it.

  • Niko

    This is a messed up site. It’s got funny stuff but you people need to change your goal. These Marines are our best and finest giving their lives and family for their country. My father was a Marine for 30 years, flying AV-8B’s and over the course of my life, I have been able to tell who’s a Marine and who’s not… And the difference is obvious… They go to the gym every day, while most of you probably go twice in January for “New Year’s resolutions”
    I just don’t get what you guys are getting at. This site is disgraceful to your own country.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.
    • madmike

      So tell us about your experience as a Marine. And keep in mind that child of a Marine doesn’t count. If we did it we earned the right to call it like we see it. Way toooo many guys come on here like you with the attitude of “If you see the problem and talk about the problem than YOU are the problem”. The Marine corps is a government agency no different than FEMA or the IRS. There is nothing magical about it. The only way it’s gonna get fixed is to point out it’s flaws and call it out on it’s bullshit and stupidity.

    • hooyut

      Why do you think it is that your father stayed in for 30 years FLYING? Do you take the time to evaluate that thought?

      Compare that to what most of us experience in the non air wing jobs. Going to the gym does not define a marine. What marines do define marines, for example the rampant sexual assault issue or even the extremely immoral activity done daily.

      I as a former marine am at the gym 6 days a week and I despise the marine corps. You have failed to show any truly valid points that demonstrate marines are the best and finest.

      I’ll go ahead and give you a few examples of the best and finest:
      The guy throwing a puppy off a cliff
      Squads knowingly dropping white phosphorus mortars on civilian locations (war crime)
      A marine in my former unit hazed to the point of killing himself
      Field day inspections going til midnight because specks of dust can be found
      The vast majority of marines hating their lives

      There are a few guys who land the best job, get the best command, and live the best lives, however for most of us… our lives are hell.

      This site does not disgrace this country just for your information, this site shows the truth of the culture behind one of the most brutal iron fists a corrupt imperialistic government has ever had.

      You want to know what I did while I was one of the best and finest? I put my life on the line to protect a CIA compound so they could continue to run guns to the Al-Qaeda backed Syrian rebels who were cutting the heads of Christians, executing children, and using chemical weapons on civilian population centers. Semper fi? NO, Never fi.

    • free_bird

      lol Im in better shape now.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      What exactly do you suppose our goal is? On what grounds do you think that we need to change that goal?

      Since you “don’t get what [we're] getting at” allow me to clarify for you.
      We are a community primarily made up of Active Duty marines and marine veterans (although family members, potential recruits, or anyone with an honest question is welcome). Our goal is to allow the members of our community to vent their frustrations with the marine corps, recommend changes, find solutions for administrative issues, and find support for personal/psychological problems (PTSD, marital issues, etc. etc.).

      What about that do you think we need to change? As Hooyut has already noted, the rampant sexual assault in the marine corps (and the U.S. military as a whole) is disgraceful to the country. Calling the marine corps out for its failure to mitigate this horrendous problem should never be considered disgraceful to anyone, in any sense of the word.

      Safety and Peace

    • Knob_Gaudy

      To not reiterate what everyone else replied, let me challenge your perceptions a little bit. Your rationale, besides the affection due to your father, is that marines give their lives and work out alot, therefore the organization is above criticism.

      The problem with your assumption is that the mission of the Marine Corps, and of the military in general, is not to give their lives or work out. Their mission is to Win Our Wars, ostensibly in defense of the country. Fitness, as well as casualties, are part and parcel to carrying out that mission, but they are not the ends. They are a means. This country has not won a major conflict since 1945, and no wars since then have been necessary to our national defense. Military people love to blame Washington, while telling cadets at military academies that there is “no excuse sir”. If the Marine Corps cannot win our nations wars, defensive or not, that needs to be looked at, and you can’t do that if you blindly worship the organization that continually fails.

      • hooyut

        I always love that nonsense of winning “our” wars or even fighting the “nation’s” wars.

    • DemotivateMe

      Are you a Marine, or have you lived the Marine corps life? no you are a marines child a marine who was in the air wing. Im sorry your father wasn’t taken behind the hills of horno and hazed up and down the mountains in his service alphas or beat to shit because he was late one day. When he fucked up he probably got written up that goes in his service record, but he didnt have to deal with mental problems that effected him the rest of his life. This site is pointing out the flaws of our corps. Ive been in 3 years and i hate the fuck out of this organization. I go to the gym everyday, hell lots of marines don’t go to the gym, in fact playing call of duty seems to be the big thing amongst marines now a day. Our goal is to simply inform others of what the life of a typical marine lives, point out its flaws because you sure as hell won’t hear that from a recruiter, nor your proud airwinger father. If you want to endure the life, go ahead bud but just remember all what you read on here before you open your mouth to say you dislike it. I dislike ignorance, especially from people who have no experience on the topic.

  • free_bird

    Do you guys have a funny Ball story? One time I got so drunk in Oki that I was kicked out before the cake cutting ceremony. I went back to my room, threw my Alphas to the ground and kept drinking Sapporo beer. I had the whole barracks to myself with everyone at the Ball.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I was in Afghanistan for the ball in 2010. They had just opened a fully functional mess hall on the FOB that past September, so they had the admin guys print up moto posters and post them around the FOB advertising steak and lobster for the marine corps birthday. Needless to say, my interest in steak and lobster won out over my aversion to all things moto, and I went to check out one of the posters.

      All told, they were pretty standard moto posters, filled with blood stripes, EGA’s, “Semper Fi”s and so on. They even printed it in color (don’t ask me why they had colored printer toner in a small FOB in Afghanistan).
      Then I saw it: The EGA in the bottom left corner, was Upside Down. Apparently no SNCO’s or Officers ever saw it because those posters stayed up for weeks after the birthday (The H&S company staff were whiny enough that they would’ve demanded that every poster be torn down, changed, and put back up if they’d seen it). I have no idea who made those posters, but I can only assume that I was in the presence of a SKATER of the premier division.

  • hooyut

    So, has anyone else seen the new Captain America movie? (SPOILERS AHEAD)

    I was amazed at all the statements marvel made about our current government in that movie! They are some ballsy people. It was a direct comparison of the current US and Nazi Germany (SHIELD vs Hydra) One comparison I immediately thought of was gun control, verbage used in Nazi laws are currently used in Unconstitutional US gun control laws today.

    They go on to talk about Agenda 21 type stuff of killing off millions so billions can live, they target anyone who could be a threat even down to the average suburban little league coach, that guy even brings up a false flag attack in Moscow or Chicago! I loved how Captain America fought these tyrants. We will need our own Captain Americas soon (I’m not advocating human testing of chemicals lol)

    Damn good movie. He is my favorite hero, he really portrays what a good moral man would do with the strength and power he wields.

    • free_bird

      The villain is R.Lee Ermey ;)

  • Knob_Gaudy

    Bucket list for me: collect all the flags of the nations in a room, knock them off their stands, get righteously drunk, and piss on all of them

    • FailedToAdapt

      Haha. If I ever own a flag pole, I am going to make sure I fly the UN flag above the US flag. Fuck nationalism.

      • free_bird

        Where would you put the USMC flag?

        • FailedToAdapt

          In a bonfire pit where it belongs.

      • hooyut

        Well globalism is worse, if anything, fly your state flag above the US flag. The UN is an enemy to all the freedoms we have left.

      • Knob_Gaudy

        the UN aint shit either. at the risk of sounding like a teenage punk, lets fly the black flag.

        • FailedToAdapt

          Couldn’t think of anything to represent my obligation to the human race in general.

  • Sgt

    Information about being a reservist.

    There is so much misconceptions about reservists. Often times recruiters don’t know jack squat and those who have never served with reservists will not know the process. Since I have been a reservist myself, I feel I should set the record straight.

    Being a reservist is basically a part time gig in the military. You get a total of 48 days for military duties as a reservists (could be more) which isn’t much assuming you don’t go on active duty orders or deploy. The 48 days includes the minimum 2 weeks annual training. There are two ways of being a reservist: a drilling reservist in which you finish your initial active duty training (boot, SOI, and MOS school) or 92 day reservist. Contrary to popular belief, you do NOT always have to take a 6 year contract- you can take a 4 year contract (depending on the MOS you get).

    92 day reservist contracts are limited to selected MOS’s who’s schools are short in length. You would go to boot camp, then after graduating, you check in directly to your reserve unit. You go to SOI and/or MOS school in a different time. This option is generally reserved for college students who don’t want to fall behind in their studies. Often times, they go to the schools over the summer.

    There isn’t a whole lot of BS in the reserves as much as active duty units because reservists are on a time constraints. However, if you have a command that isn’t organized, things can get fucked up quickly and get out of control. In my experience it’s not often. Generally, since your chain of command are basically reservists who are civilians in the real world, things are usually run in a more efficient manner than in the fleet a lot of times.

    If you want to go active duty while in the reserves, you can go on orders or long term active duty tours like active reserves. Switching from reserves to an active duty contract is difficult because you are getting out of your reserve contract and going into an active contract. If you choose this route, you may not get approved and you are stuck. If you get approved, there is no guarantee that you will get to keep your original MOS while a reservist.

    Promotion in the reserves is different from active duty. In the reserves, the cutting scores includes all of those in the MOS field. So if you are a 0651 Cpl in the reserves, you not only compete with 0651′s but other 06xx Marines who are Cpls in the reserves (both drilling and IRR).

    Benefits: For a part time gig, it has its benefits. You rate Tricare Reserves Select (if you are on orders, you automatically switch to the regular Tricare provider) which has a lower premiums than a number of health insurance out there. For those who enlist for 6 yrs or more, they can use the selected Reserves GI Bill to cover some of the cost of school. If you have deployed or on active duty orders longer than 90 consecutive days, you’ll rate the Post 911 (though you may only get partial benefits depending on your active duty time if 90 days or more).

    If you go to school and/or have a decent civilian job but want to serve, this is another option for you too. If military life sucks, you at least have a plan B and do not have to start from scratch like many who were on active duty. Also, there is no one looking after you all the time but you do need self discipline to succeed in the reserves.

    Cons: Lack of funding at times means there is not a whole lot of training or active duty opportunities. If you want something, you got to be proactive. Just to advance up in MCMAP alone, I tested out with instructors from different units since at the time, my unit didn’t have instructors. Also, depending on what job you have in the military, your MOS proficiency may not be as good as those on active duty. Leadership may not run things effectively for training because most of them are reservist themselves too.

  • tired33

    how much does a single marine get to drive form S.D to east coast when eas?

    • hooyut

      probably around a thousand or so, ipac has a rate of miles to days they pay out.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    The Marine Corps’ Top Enlisted Leader Sgt. Maj. Micheal Barrett Believes Lower Pay Will ‘Raise Discipline’

    http://www.businessinsider.com/barrett-pay-raise-military-2014-4

    • madmike

      I agree that a lot of military people today have a entitlement mentality that was unheard when I was in. But if they want some common sense discipline than they need to eliminate all that marriage bonus crap like BAH. It seems they are making barracks life so miserable that people are gonna start doing ANYTHING to get out of it.

      • hooyut

        Marriage bonus? Are you serious? You realize EVERY SERVICE MEMBER is paid BAH right? Only single guys don’t get it because it is taken from them so they can live in the barracks.

        Example: A barracks room houses 3 marines. The area’s BAH is 1000 dollars. The room should cost 3000 dollars a month to upkeep. Does that actually happen? Hell no!

        Don’t bash on the guys who make a real commitment, specify your hatred of contract marriages, not the real thing.

        The entitlement mentality is an American thing. Every American who is not a humble person is like that. To force people to live worse for no reason will not make them work harder, nor will they stand for it.

        If they try to lower pay and give worse housing, just cause some higher ups think it’s ok for everyone below them, the belligerence level will go through the roof.

        But yes, barracks life has gone to hell.

        • madmike

          Married people get paid more than single people and that is my complaint. If you subsidize something you will get more of it. Only 6.5% of civilians between the ages of 18 to 21 are married while in the service that figure skyrockets to 34%. Also another problem married people bring to the table is they are treated differently than bachelors. When I was in they NEVER made married guys stand weekend guard duty…only bachelors. And paying them more for getting married is only part of the financial problem. We must now add in the cost of taking care of dependants (medical, dental, etc). Government schools cost $50,000 per year per student. So married guys are financially killing the taxpayer and destroying combat readiness by siphoning off money that is meant to be used for national defense and not for subsidizing a middle class lifestyle that I don’t think 19 and 20 year old kids deserve.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            Not to mention 80% of those marriages fail. I know a lot of people who got married just for the money which I think is the main issue. Further, I think this is one of the issues with entitlement. Eventually married folks get used to living with extra cash and start to feel entitled to it. The current way definitely needs to be improved.

          • hooyut

            My marriage didn’t fail and I certainly don’t feel entitled. I would get pissed if they cut my BAH because they are cutting my FULL PAY, making me spend my non BAH pay on housing, single guys wouldn’t have to.

            Single guys don’t see their BAH so they don’t get the hit when rent rolls around and now that 100 dollars youre picking from food and insurance money is now putting you in the red.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            This is exactly what I am talking about.

          • hooyut

            I’m not sure what you mean.
            To clarify, if they cut BAH money, the single guys wouldn’t be losing money off their paycheck to pay for their barracks room. It’s shit already and not worth the BAH the USMC is stealing from them so they don’t take the cut in funding to their living quarters.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            I am talking about the fact that you are so strongly defending the fact that you should be paid more for being married. I can’t think of anywhere else that pays people more for having a ring on their finger, and giving them special treatment. We have been doing it so long that guys who get married while they are in will do and say whatever it takes to keep it that way. No offense, but your ass belongs in the barracks, not in a home with your wife. Being able to get a home should be earned. It just costs too much damn money.

          • Knob_Gaudy

            So everyone in the military should just have permanent long distance relations, or not have wives and truly live up to the reputation for nasty morals? Not everyone is happy being sluts and whores on one time things.

          • madmike

            I think you missed the part about 80% of those marriages not lasting more than one enlistment. Also can you name a single civilian job that pays more for being married? What you don’t understand is EVERY dollar spent on subsidizing a marriage that almost certainly wouldn’t exist in the civilian world is one less dollar spent on keeping people alive in combat.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            His argument is that everyone gets the BAH, even those who don’t lol. He wants argue that living in the barracks has some sort of equal value, therefore it balances out when married folks get paid more. Nothing we can say can convince him that being paid more (money deposited in your account. Not phantom money that does not get deposited) and having less responsibility is not fair. Why would he ever agree that getting paid less is the way it should be?

          • hooyut

            I’m really not sure how to make it any more clear…. The only BAH I ever saw was when it went from the marine corps to my account to my apartment complex. So, if it went straight from the marine corps to my apartment complex it would have made no difference.

            It is the exact same system as the guys who live in the barracks only the marine corps can get away with keeping guys from living in town and provide them with the barracks worth far less than the BAH they hold from them.

            You guys seem to reference this mystical extra pay that I know I never pocketed, I know I was in the red every month. Another thing you have to have is a higher moral value system. If the marine corps ever made me choose between my wife and that uniform I would have gladly given them back their uniform.

            My wife will be with me forever, but the marine corps is finite, it would and did end for me. But like I said, marriage for real should be valued. It’s a shame that society is at the point it is where people cheat the system and give those of us who are honest a bad rap.

            All one has to do is go to an actual branch of the military to get the ability to take his BAH and live in an apartment rather than give it up for a barracks room.

          • hooyut

            Ninja punch explained it all very well up above. Getting married is not extra pay, it is the full pay you would receive married or not if you lived outside the barracks.

            I’m not sure why you guys are hooked on the false idea that BAH is extra pay. I will have one more go at an explanation.

            Married guys:
            BAH is for living quarters, COMRATS is for food, and the basic paycheck is what everyone gets standard.

            Single guys:
            BAH is taken to cover the barracks room, COMRATS is taken to cover the chow hall, and the basic paycheck is still received.

            It is NOT extra pay, it is FULL pay. It is NOT pay to be married, it is pay for housing. I am defending the ability to live a somewhat normal life as a deceived into servitude mercenary.

            But I only defend those who get married because they want to be man and wife, I vehemently oppose contract marriages.

            Those who attack it are typically jealous of many parts of it ranging from the sex all the time, possible wife’s income, not having to live in a hellhole, etc. etc.

          • madmike

            The fact of the matter is that no matter how you look at it, married service people cost more than bachelors…way the fuck more. And when you factor in children the cost to the tax payer and military readiness is devastating.

          • hooyut

            What you are addressing now is a budgeting issue. Like all the corrupt arms of the government the marine corps has spent way more than is necessary on horrible financial decisions.

            I think one thing many people overlook is that the marine corps is just a department of the Navy. Between the three branches who overspend by themselves what do you really think is left over for this insanely outdated propaganda machine?

            The three branches pay BAH to single guys to live off base and are still running, how about the marine corps figure it out and make it work for them too.

            This is one topic that I won’t budge on, marriage is one of the few things holding this society together and it is in a losing battle, to try to force it out of the military over money will hurt the country on many more levels than help it.

          • hooyut

            Once again, your complaint is not valid, you are complaining about individuals receiving their FULL PAY.

            Why should a guy who makes no use of the barracks or facilities stand duty on them? I never used the facilities except when they made us assemble there. For me to stand duty on the weekend at a place I have no vested interest in, would not visit anyway and blatantly don’t care about is absurd. So for married marines to NOT stand duty on the weekend makes sense.

            Just a side note but the last couple months I don’t think I toured even once when I served weekend duty. I didn’t live there, I didn’t care.

            So these guys don’t deserve their full pay for what reason? They are putting their lives in harm’s way for whatever the government wants to do, same as you. The only difference is they don’t have to live in a dump, BAH goes to an apartment so it’s not extra spending money.

            Your hangup is obvious: envy of a better life. Make a commitment that supersedes this job and they will acknowledge its importance.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            I think you went moto on us brother. Who exactly is putting their life on the line? Hardly fucking anybody lol.

          • hooyut

            I was being sarcastic, I thought I had a good rep for bashing the system of putting our lives on the line for the rich? haha. For that one statement I was playing the average clueless American.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            Thank the gods!

          • madmike

            My hang up is working harder for less pay. That and the detrimental effect that crap has on good order and discipline to say nothing of the fact that every dollar spent paying a teenager to marry a prostitute he met on deployment is a dollar not spent on training ammo, body armor, night vision gear, etc, etc.

          • hooyut

            There it is, you hate the people that play the system. I hate them as well. Like I continue to say, BAH is receiving your full pay. That money goes to your living quarters (mine did), that is why you don’t have to pay rent for the barracks rooms, that is where single marine’s BAH goes.

            The tradition of marriage is one of the few things that holds society as a whole together. We can see it every day all around us, what comes from broken marriages? This kind of society.

            To me, my marriage was worth far more than anything the marine corpse could ever do to me. That is a commitment that is honorable.

            But really, you can be angry at the system and that wont change anything. If you don’t take advantage, the next honorable marine will. I don’t support contract marriages at all, but for the living quarters not in the barracks? I can’t blame marines for taking that route.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Technically, you’re right. Everyone in the military gets BAH, and guys in the barracks typically get to keep about 6 or 7 dollars worth of that. Sure married people get more money, but they also get additional bills for not living in the barracks, where rent and utilities are taken care of. But honestly, how many marines really think of it like that?

          Most marines – at least as far as I’ve ever been able to tell – think of it about like this:
          I can either stay single, be stuck in the barracks with at least one and probably two roommates, spend an outrageous number of hours cleaning a room that isn’t dirty, get woken up at 2 in the morning on a weekend by drunk marines, and then again at 7 am so I can go sweep and mop the hallways and lounges that also aren’t dirty, and then after putting so much effort into making the place presentable, I can only have certain guests over at certain times.
          OR… I could get married, get paid more money, and have two incomes (if I find a place that costs less than the BAH I can keep the extra!), I can clean the place on my schedule, I can sleep on weekends on my schedule, and I can have guests over at my convenience.

          Technically, you’re correct in saying that everyone gets BAH, and some people just get it taken right back for living the barracks, but the reality is that the marine corps provides strong incentives for junior marines to get married.

          That said, I honestly don’t think that cutting BAH is necessarily the solution. I think the solution is bringing the quality of Barracks life up to a point where living in the barracks, and getting married just to get out of the barracks, doesn’t seem like such a “no brainer” to virtually everyone.

          Ironically, this is exactly the opposite of Sgt Maj Barrett’s plan to try to cut the quality of life, to “raise discipline”.

          Safety and Peace

          • hooyut

            What you said is the same as what I have been trying to say, probably just a little more clearly haha. I do not deny that guys make that choice to get a contract marriage, but like you said, they can play the system that gives them a choice between potential happiness and a life in hell.

      • Sgt

        Actually, you can be single and have BAH if you live off base for special duty like I&I duty or recruiting. When I was on I&I staff, I rated BAH as a Cpl and I was single (still single).

        • madmike

          When I was in it was open squad bay.

    • okinawa inmate

      Great article. It is so true. All of it. I always said that the USMC put too much effort and energy into the most miniscule of situations. No hands in the pockets, no walking and talking on the phone, no drinking water on the move except from a camel back( makes no fucking sense?), hair cut on Sunday (damn you if you get it on Saturday), green on green.etc, etc. The list can go on for days and we all know that. Do you know how un-warrior like I felt wearing my gay ass cheerleading shorts with a shirt tucked in? Seriously can you imagine if the Taliban saw me like that? I would be so embarrassed. It’s time for the military to evolve. Stop living on traditions. America evolved. Women and blacks have freedom now. Imagine if America was ran by the USMC. Only white males would be worthy to die in combat. Give me a break. I see the importance of looking professional in garrison, of course. Most companies as a civilian have those requirements, however, some of the things the USMC demands are too much. And don’t get me started when deployed or in the field. Let us grow beards and put our hands in our pockets. It’s fucking war, who the fuck cares? You know who looks bad ass and scary to fight? Russians, because they have manly fucking beards that say, “I eat my bear raw, and then I ravage my woman”. USMC it is time to progress. Hands in the pockets are not disgusting, fresh Sunday hair cuts are not the end of the world

    • okinawa inmate

      Sorry I posted under the wrong comment and deleted it, anyways my 2 cents.
      He says lower pay brings better morale. I would give anything to have better morale for less pay. Shit I would stay unemployed forever and have eternal happiness. What a fucking idiot. I do think that enlisted personnel make pretty good money for young ages. For a 20 year old Cpl making 2100 a month isn’t so bad when we have free rooms, however, as we get older, bills increase and we need more than that. 2100 is a joke in the civilian world for people like me with child support. 2100 might would scratch my bills, enough to give my bills a good tickle. Now imagine making enlisted pay, high bills and the reducing pay all while being a slave for 4 years. Get the fuck out of town. Thank God I’m a civilian.

  • Knob_Gaudy

    Don’t know if you guys have read this or heard of this website, but I love this article talking about the the obsessive regs over competency, you guys will love it http://www.oafnation.com/the-book-of-eli/2014/4/5/regulations-winning-battles-since-1775

    • bootasfuck

      So funny! And so true! I wasn’t in very long, but when I got out I still tucked my t-shirt into my gym shorts whenever I would work out at home…until one day I looked at myself in the mirror and realized how much of a tool I actually looked like

    • hooyut

      That was hysterical, thanks for posting it!

    • okinawa inmate

      Great article. It is so true. All of it. I always said that the USMC put too much effort and energy into the most miniscule
      of situations. No hands in the pockets, no walking and talking on the
      phone, no drinking water on the move except from a camel back( makes no
      fucking sense?), hair cut on Sunday (damn you if you get it on
      Saturday), green on green.etc, etc. The list can go on for days and we
      all know that. Do you know how un-warrior like I felt wearing my gay ass
      cheerleading shorts with a shirt tucked in? Seriously can you imagine
      if the Taliban saw me like that? I would be so embarrassed. It’s time
      for the military to evolve. Stop living on traditions. America evolved.
      Women and blacks have freedom now. Imagine if America was ran by the
      USMC. Only white males would be worthy to die in combat. Give me a
      break. I see the importance of looking professional in garrison, of
      course. Most companies as a civilian have those requirements, however,
      some of the things the USMC demands are too much. And don’t get me
      started when deployed or in the field. Let us grow beards and put our
      hands in our pockets. It’s fucking war, who the fuck cares? You know who
      looks bad ass and scary to fight? Russians, because they have manly
      fucking beards that say, “I eat my bear raw, and then I ravage my woman”. USMC it is time to progress. Hands in the pockets are not disgusting, fresh Sunday hair cuts are not the end of the world

  • third-award

    My shop painted a lot of parking spaces for nco’s. I want to get rid of that claim discrimination or what have you. Its ridiculous in my eyes any ways. Ive been in for three years and im sick of the disrespect as I am a third award pfc…..

  • Pogboot

    I popped on a piss test for drugs. But not pot, spice, etc. it was a painkiller and I only had one for pain in my hip. But they weren’t mine. Now I’m up for separation and I’ve been told all my CoC have put in a retention package for me, but it still has to go up to the base CG. Does it look like I’ll be getting the boot, or does it look like they may retain me?

    • VssVintorez

      Fight it all the way to the end. True story. Had a Corporal pop for coke after a deployment. He got kicked out, but had fought it until the very end, even the court martial. Turns out just because Sgt So and So decided to watch you piss in a cup, box it up and take it to be processed doesn’t mean it’s professional by any means. Court sided with the Corporal stating it was done unprofessionally and who has proof that the Sgt didn’t dislike the Corporal and sabotage the results.

      However, if you admitted to it, it’ll probably be too late, I’d still fight it, however.

      • madmike

        I once lost a civilian job because I tested positive for cocaine on one of those hair tests (not piss). I’ve NEVER done cocaine in my life.

  • Knob_Gaudy

    They deleted my post! those bastards!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      You had to see it coming. The Citadel wasn’t going to let you talk trash on their ROTC program, no matter how valid your experience was.

      • Knob_Gaudy

        What threw me off was that it was a student run facebook page, I linked it via the forums if you havent looked at it, where they all take pictures of cadets sleeping or having scuff on their shoes, and gawk and talk down at these people for it. Considering my previous experiences with cadets on line, I fully expected them to flame me in force, either on their own page or following the link to flame here and on the blog.

  • dom

    question where any input will be appreciated.

    so im getting out on an adsep and im a couple of weeks away from being completely done!
    or so i thought..
    this week i had to attend tap class and one day i had to go talk to the legal gunny. he gave me the run down of where my paper work is at he told me max 1 month.
    so i told one of my buddies who is also getting adsep’d cause gunny had 3 packages on his desk and me and this kid have been moving along the process at the same rate. But today he decided to go find out for himself it was his paper work or not. I guess he was standing outside gunnys office waiting to talk to him while gunny talked to first sgt and a bunch of higher ups. (im going to bullet part of the story for simplicity)

    >Gunny ask him how he can help him out
    >kid spouts diahrea out of his mouth trying to ask about his paper work
    >gunny and all higher ups get out of it he wants to get out if the usmc(even tho all the paper work is pretty much already done they think he went directly to him to start the sep)

    >drops my name at somepoint
    >1st sgt says theyre either going back to training or getting njp’d
    >try to tell them about how dr. has sent letters of rec. to get sep’d
    >FS says he can over rule that? theyre navy it doesnt matter?(is this true?)

    >they have to report to FS mon at 730

    can they really reverse all the paperwork thats already been done? im really nervous the name drop is going roll over onto me aswell. also theyre my friends and i dont want them to get screwed.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      He’s bluffing.

      For the most part, a First Sgt doesn’t have the authority to overrule anything when it comes to paperwork. He would have to convince your Commanding Officer (Depending on where your paperwork is, by our Battalion/Squadron Commander, or even some General up at HQMC) that he should recall your admin sep because he got upset.

      Needless to say, that’ll never happen.

      Safety and Peace.

      • mojo jojo

        thanks for the response. Thats what i told my buddy he was just trying to scare him/ fear mongering. but i had no clue i was just trying to make him feel better. as thats crappy news to get right before the weekend.

        for the record they told me thur. my paper work is to go up to get signed off by a general at t-com next week (idk if any of this is too personal of info on my part but if it is feel free to delete it)

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          You can post pretty much whatever information about yourself that you like. As far as I’m concerned, you can post your name, address, and social security number if you’re so inclined. We only ask that people respect the anonymity of others, and not post personal information about other people here.

          In short, I don’t think you’ve said anything inappropriate. Congrats on being so close to getting out!

  • okinawa inmate

    Ok it has been 8 months since I was freed and the VA still has not finished my disability claims. Everyone I know that got out with me or after me already gets their disability. How long did all of you wait for your earned money? I am dealing with the VA out of Utah. IDK if that makes a difference or not. Also is it true that if I am awarded disability that I will receive back pay from the day I filed my claim?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      My claim was done out of Salt Lake City, and it was done about 4 months after I got out. Granted this was 2012, so I’m guessing the drawdown, etc has sped up since then and flooded the system. You should actually start receiving backpay as of the day of your EAS.

      • okinawa inmate

        I called them and they said that it would be 2015 until its finished!!. So freakin ridiculous. Especially if I don’t even get disability. If I do get it, at least I’ll get back pay

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          Did you file before you got out or after?

          • okinawa inmate

            Before. That’s why this is so annoying. I couldn’t imagine if I waited until I was out

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            Just be patient man. Don’t set yourself up to count on this and just go about life. Take it when you get it and enjoy the back pay. Think of it as a great way to save money for something great, like going on vacation or something. Think of it like a CD investment.

  • Dierk

    I survived mess night. That is all.

  • johnnyfromtheblock

    Okay, so i recently left the DEP and my recruiter told me i won’t be able to get any financial aid- no loans, no grants, no scholarships. is that true?? Please help

    • hooyut

      No, it is not. The DEP means absolutely nothing. The guy was just upset he lost a number for his monthly report. You’re fine, you can see by the way he acted what you were about to join into. Enjoy your life, you made the right decision.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      This is why this site exists. Your recruiter is a fucking liar, and an immature one at that. I wish I could shit on his desk in tandem with a special letter about his character.

    • Sgt

      It depends, you won’t qualify for VA educational benefits or VA loans. But for other grants, loans, federal/state financial aid and scholarships, entry level discharges don’t effect you.

  • JohnSmith

    I got back from Afghanistan last year, and since then everything has changed. we have a new lieutenant and a new platoon sergeant. Our Lt is very emotional and how our day will be depends on what side of the bed he gets out of. Our platoon Sgt is a dick and only put for himself. He is very condescending and arrogant. I have 2 years left, and just recently had a family. The VEERP isn’t an option for me because I need to stay in to pay off the rest of my bills. Any motivation to help me through these next couple of years would be greatly appreciated.

    • free_bird

      Welcome to the suck my man. Your days will get worse, not better.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Try to find yourself some civilian friends (or at least some guys who live off base that you can hang out with). When you get off work, get off base, and out of uniform. Get yourself out of the marine mindset as often as you can, and stay out of it for as long as you can.

    • hooyut

      Have you got anyone to go to for financial help/advice to get you out of the debt hole? Can your wife bring in any/more income? Try any route to get free of the debt so you can end your enslavement early. The life change of being free is far more motivating than any words of motivation offered here while knowing in the morning you have to wake up and be a marine.

    • Sgt

      Look for a civilian job while you are in. This way by the time you get out, you’ll likely get a position.

  • Knob_Gaudy

    watching the dirty wars documentary. highly recommend it

  • concerned_foraMarine

    A family member is within 180 days of starting. Went Infantry, big mistake. Scored pretty high on ASVAB but didn’t want to listen to parents about other choices than Infantry. Says the CORE values are an illusion. Says he wish he would have made different choices. Any chances of switching MOS out of Infantry? Who can he TRUST if anybody.NINJA_PUNCH I have read a lot of your post you seem to have a lot of good information any suggestions? He actually wanted to go to college but recruiter told him if he left the DEP no government funding would be available! Wish I had found this website back then.

    • madmike

      I believe you can request a MOS change after 2 deployments. So volunteer for deployments as often as possible I guess.

      • Sgt

        Generally if you are lucky, it’s two years after serving. Other than that, it’s finishing up the current contract or starting the re-enlisting at your 3.5 yr mark.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          Being lucky is an understatement.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Ooh… first of all, the recruiter probably lied. I’ve never had any reliable source tell me that dropping out of the DEP would have an effect on student financial aid. Technically, the signing the contract and entering the DEP is legally binding, but the current DoD policy is to allow people to drop out of the DEP with impunity.

      Unfortunately, switching an MOS at this point in the process is virtually impossible. I know people who were able to switch because of injury or failure meet MOS-specific standards, but even then they were put into an “open contract” status and assigned an MOS at the corps’ discretion.

      I know the recruiter probably told you that he could switch MOS after two years. That’s sort of a half-truth. It’s technically a possibility, but in most cases requests to switch MOS will be shot down, unless they’re included as a reenlistment bonus.

      Realistically, his main options right now are:
      1) Refuse to train until he gets kicked out. (I’m assuming that you read my “How To Get Out Of Boot Camp” article since you mentioned that he’s within 180 days.)
      2) Attempt to fail every test until he gets kicked out of SOI and sent to another MOS. (To be fair, this will probably make him the subject of ridicule among his peers and superiors, and this may carry over to his next MOS School.)
      3) Put up with more of the same for the next 3 1/2 years.

      Let me know if there’s anything else that I can help you with.

      Safety and Peace

      • concerned_foraMarine

        Thank you for your response. Yes I did read your “How to get…Boot Camp”. Thank you 100x over for all the information. Quite honestly I think he would consider this except fear of retribution from Platoon (and even more so his own honor of not giving up). He actually mentioned the failing of test to get out of SOI but thought it would make it worse….your sentiments. Put up with next 3 1/2 years but unfortunately it is 4 1/2….didn’t want Mom and Dad there when signed and some how got roped into 5 year active 3 inactive.

        Okay so above are all the negatives….with no real options except to do his time. Can you help with some positives?
        Is there anyone in Command to Trust?
        Are Chaplains safe to talk honestly to?
        Mentally dealing with a bunch of guys who want to kill,kill,kill.
        How about the Single Marine Group when he gets to PDS?
        Is the Distress Line truly confidential if a family member or Marine chooses to utilize this service?
        As you can see the biggest ?? are about who to trust…I just keeping thinking you can’t trust anyone so I am very thankful to you for allowing people to be anonymous and have a place to go.

        • hooyut

          That’s the marine corps, mass punishment all around to use peer pressure to force them into line. What will happen if he takes a stand and says no is the leadership will punish the entire squad/platoon and blame him.

          My question is, why does he hate being in infantry, what is the core reason?

          The rule with Chaplains is 100% confidentiality. He says nothing unless the marine tells him he can. If he confides in ANYONE else they can tell whoever they want whatever he says unless they have their own rule set.

          If they wear an EGA 90% of the time they cannot be trusted. Very few marines are actual brothers, out of 45 guys in my unit I still talk to 1 guy who I would call a brother, no others.

          The Single Marine Program is a way to get himself to disconnect from being a marine, they offer video games, movies, trips to do stuff off base. It’s more of a recreational resource.

          The only problem with failing everything is that he will get highlighted for all the shit duty hours and working parties. If you do anything below bare minimum pass you will be a target to any and everyone.

          You cannot win in the marine corps, you can only learn to skate.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Like hooyut said below, most of the time, it’s not safe to trust a marine. 90+% of the time they will sell you out to save their own skins and won’t even feel bad about it afterward.

          Chaplains are usually pretty safe to talk to. Unless they think that you’re going to kill yourself or someone else, they’re bound by confidentiality. I wouldn’t have any concerns about the Dstress Line ratting anyone out. If you’re concerned about the Dstress line, all you have to do is not tell them your relative’s name. Realistically, there are hundreds of guys going through Infantry training at this exact moment. They’re not going to go on a witch hunt because some anonymous family member complained.

          Honestly, your concerns about who you should trust are pretty common. In the fleet, complaining about your unit when something’s going bad is pretty common, but seriously calling out the marine corps for some failing, saying that you’re not going to reenlist, or other such things is still a good way to get stabbed in the back by anyone who happens to hear you say it and get your life turned into a living hell. That’s a big reason why we encourage anonymity here. People can air their frustrations without fear of reprisal.

          One thing to remind him is that 4 1/2 years is a long time. If he’s 4/5 months in and already doesn’t want to be there, that’s not likely to change. I guess the way I might look at is: Are you a bigger failure if you get kicked out for refusal to train, or if you are stuck being miserable for 5 years because you decided not to stand up for yourself?

          If he decides not to try to get kicked out, so be it. We won’t hold it against him, and he’ll always welcome on the site to vent his frustrations and share his experiences. But I suspect that he might be happier in the long run if he gets himself kicked out.

      • free_bird

        4.) Do drugs.
        5.) Punch the CO.
        6.) UA

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          lol. I know you are joking, but I am obligated to mention that these actions can potentially land you in the brig, which from what I understand is not all that bad, but can possibly keep you in the military longer than you like.

          • DemotivateMe

            or piss off the balcony of the barracks onto the CO’s head while he’s walking by

  • free_bird

    You know, life really isn’t that bad. Only if you’re out of the corps, away from marines, and any USMC base of course.

  • free_bird

    One thing about marines is that they are nosy and try to act like a cop or a hero all the time. At a baseball game in CA there was a brawl amongst fans of opposing teams. Three marines tried to stop the fight and got stabbed in the process. Lesson learned if you ask me.

    • hooyut

      If anyone actually believed three marines tried to “stop” the fight they have their head up their ass. I’d think they got stabbed because they “tried” to “stop” the team they weren’t there for.

  • LCPLFORLIFE

    hey guys I wanted to talk to you guys for a bit I know alot of times its easy to focus on the bad but I want to focus on the positive aspects to help you make it through your enlistment. Believe it or not there are good aspects to the Marine Corps. Im not trying to be a motard I just remember that sometimes focusing on the good can help alot more. so heres my two cents and please feel free to respond I like a good discussion. Things to focus on in the Marine Corps.

    1. Good Leaders – they are rare but they are out there. sometimes it doesn’t have to be someone of a certain rank it could be the influential lance corporal that is there for all of his friends.

    2. friends – these can be the greatest resource they are always there for you whenever you need them if you are a Marine that is ostracized from your unit for whatever reason don’t get depressed talk to someone and explain your predicament. Hell find a Marine nearby on this site and make good friends. I personally made great friends at Church.

    3. education. -this definetly helps during my enlistment I got my bachelors degree which helped tons you meet a different quality of Marine in night classes I remember some of the greatest mentoring sessions was from my plt sgt who was in class with me and I got know himn as a person we learned alot from each other.

    4. physical fitness. – im not talking about pt. Go join the base running club or crossfit gym enjoy time and meet people this will help you out during pt and is a great stress reliever.

    5. Learn to forgive. – if you were treated unfairly this can be hard i’ve had some pretty bad SNCO’s along with some good ones. I remember when one of my SNCO’s was court martialed and was getting general discharged for something and he needed money for his wife and kids I remembered how unfairly he treated me but I decided to give him money he told me he was forever indebted to me. I told him he wasn’t no matter how bad he treated I was not going to let it change the Man I am. Because if I was to just laugh at his predicament he was in It means everything he said was true. til this day him and I are friends because in the long run he was just a human going through a rough time.

    Finally Pray. I am a religious guy and I know the Marine Corps is a secular organization but I suggest turning to God or whatever faith you have. It is a good way to sort out your priorties.

    I hope this was able to help people

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      I agree with a lot of what you said except for 1 and 5 (and praying, but I am an atheist so it’s only for fellow atheists). The amount of bad leaders FAR outweighs the good. The military is the worst place on earth when it comes to leaders. Sure, there are a few good ones, but even then it’s only in a certain aspect because of the way the system is organized. There is only so much a “good leader” can do.

      There are some things you just cannot forgive my friend. You religion may encourage to forgive people for doing some of the most terrible things in the world, but for the rest of us that is just not possible. I cannot forgive rape. I cannot forget abuse. I cannot forgive causing people so much distress that they kill themselves. I cannot forgive the abuse of power of other peoples lives. And as always, forgiveness always starts with an apology.

      • Knob_Gaudy

        forgiveness is akin to godliness, because it is inherently human to not forgive. to be free of grudges, to forgive, is to be on a higher level than evil people. Thats how I see it. of course, I also have trouble forgiving. also, forgiving is not hand in hand with forgetting.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          I look at things from a value perspective. Some fuckers have done things so terrible, and at the same time they matter so little to my life and will have nothing to do with it, that forgiving them is pointless. It does not matter either way. But I will always remember what they did and keep the lessons learned close.

      • Vyri

        It is at the end of the sword that they will be forgiven.

  • LCPLFORLIFE

    hey guys I wanted to talk to you guys for a bit I know alot of times
    its easy to focus on the bad but I want to focus on the positive aspects
    to help you make it through your enlistment. Believe it or not there
    are good aspects to the Marine Corps. Im not trying to be a motard I
    just remember that sometimes focusing on the good can help alot more. so
    heres my two cents and please feel free to respond I like a good
    discussion. Things to focus on in the Marine Corps.

    1. Good
    Leaders – they are rare but they are out there. sometimes it doesn’t
    have to be someone of a certain rank it could be the influential lance
    corporal that is there for all of his friends.

    2. friends – these
    can be the greatest resource they are always there for you whenever you
    need them if you are a Marine that is ostracized from your unit for
    whatever reason don’t get depressed talk to someone and explain your
    predicament. Hell find a Marine nearby on this site and make good
    friends. I personally made great friends at Church.

    3. education.
    -this definetly helps during my enlistment I got my bachelors degree
    which helped tons you meet a different quality of Marine in night
    classes I remember some of the greatest mentoring sessions was from my
    plt sgt who was in class with me and I got know himn as a person we
    learned alot from each other.

    4. physical fitness. – im not
    talking about pt. Go join the base running club or crossfit gym enjoy
    time and meet people this will help you out during pt and is a great
    stress reliever.

    5. Learn to forgive. – if you were treated
    unfairly this can be hard i’ve had some pretty bad SNCO’s along with
    some good ones. I remember when one of my SNCO’s was court martialed and
    was getting general discharged for something and he needed money for
    his wife and kids I remembered how unfairly he treated me but I decided
    to give him money he told me he was forever indebted to me. I told him
    he wasn’t no matter how bad he treated I was not going to let it change
    the Man I am. Because if I was to just laugh at his predicament he was
    in It means everything he said was true. til this day him and I are
    friends because in the long run he was just a human going through a
    rough time.

    Finally Pray. I am a religious guy and I know the
    Marine Corps is a secular organization but I suggest turning to God or
    whatever faith you have. It is a good way to sort out your priorties.

    I hope this was able to help people

  • FUKTHEUSMC

    I joined the Marine Corps because I wanted to serve my country and protect people. It seemed great and worth while. My recruiter told me all the glorious things you can do and all the stuff you can have. One of my recruiters said he had four houses because they pay for most of it. They said youll be able to go home usually once every two months. I didn’t score the greatest on my ASVAB but I scored high enough to get the MOS I wanted which was MP. I was told I had it and then two weeks later they said I had to pick something else, but they wouldn’t tell me why I had to pick a new one. All they said is that I didn’t qualify but they couldn’t tell me why I didn’t even though they told me I did qualify the first time. I eventually was given a 0621 radio operator contract. I was unsure with my decision to join and I stuck with it and I regretted it. The MEPS employees are really rude and treat you like shit. My recruiter told me life after bootcamp would be amazing. During boot camp we had classes for T-55 and all that shit and I was very disgruntled to be told that during a class a question was asked by the SGT. teaching why did we go to Iraq? Most said terrorism, WMDS,etc. He came out and said wrong, the answer is oil…right then and there I new I made a mistake(well getting off the bus was one too)In some classes they just bragged about the amount of kills they got and when asked if any civilians were accidently killed they were like oh well they were in the way tough shit. During boot camp they would cram all this stuff down your mouth about honor courage and commitment. They say to talk to your NCOs and so on because they care about you, but oh no, they’ll just tell you to fuck off or blast you for something stupid and tell you to go kill yourself. The marine corps is hypocritical to an extreme and has no common sense what so ever. During separation at camp pendelton 52 area, Lima Co. Everyone was treated like shit. You couldn’t go anywhere without being told to kill yourself or that youre no good for your family, girlfriend and all that. You get blasted for the hell of just being blasted. I have to say most of the stuff ive seen on here is really spot on and im really glad I got out. All the videos of seen of Marines killing civilians in Iraq for sport and the beating of animals and the puppy being thrown over the cliff makes me sick and glad not to be apart of this cult or whatever the fuck it is. Marines are disgusting and they brainwash the fuck out of you. Doing much research into the war in Iraq and so on im glad I got out because our government cant be trusted either regardless what party you belong to. Both parties are warhawks just waiting to pick which country to feast on next for the precious black oil and whatever else we can get our hands on. Anyway glad I got out..

  • FUKTHEUSMC

    I joined the Marine Corps because I wanted to serve my country and protect people. It seemed great and worth while. My recruiter told me all the glorious things you can do and all the stuff you can have. One of my recruiters said he had four houses because they pay for most of it. They said youll be able to go home usually once every two months. I didn’t score the greatest on my ASVAB but I scored high enough to get the MOS I wanted which was MP. I was told I had it and then two weeks later they said I had to pick something else, but they wouldn’t tell me why I had to pick a new one. All they said is that I didn’t qualify but they couldn’t tell me why I didn’t even though they told me I did qualify the first time. I eventually was given a 0621 radio operator contract. I was unsure with my decision to join and I stuck with it and I regretted it. The MEPS employees are really rude and treat you like shit. My recruiter told me life after bootcamp would be amazing. During boot camp we had classes for T-55 and all that shit and I was very disgruntled to be told that during a class a question was asked by the SGT. teaching why did we go to Iraq? Most said terrorism, WMDS,etc. He came out and said wrong, the answer is oil…right then and there I new I made a mistake(well getting off the bus was one too)In some classes they just bragged about the amount of kills they got and when asked if any civilians were accidently killed they were like oh well they were in the way tough shit. During boot camp they would cram all this stuff down your mouth about honor courage and commitment. They say to talk to your NCOs and so on because they care about you, but oh no, they’ll just tell you to fuck off or blast you for something stupid and tell you to go kill yourself. The marine corps is hypocritical to an extreme and has no common sense what so ever. During separation at camp pendelton 52 area, Lima Co. Everyone was treated like shit. You couldn’t go anywhere without being told to kill yourself or that youre no good for your family, girlfriend and all that. You get blasted for the hell of just being blasted. I have to say most of the stuff ive seen on here is really spot on and im really glad I got out. All the videos of seen of Marines killing civilians in Iraq for sport and the beating of animals and the puppy being thrown over the cliff makes me sick and glad not to be apart of this cult or whatever the fuck it is. Marines are disgusting and they brainwash the fuck out of you. Doing much research into the war in Iraq and so on im glad I got out because our government cant be trusted either regardless what party you belong to. Both parties are warhawks just waiting to pick which country to feast on next for the precious black oil and whatever else we can get our hands on. Anyway glad I got out..

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    You can count me in.  The nice part is that as long as we’re there to blow the whistle when they start doing shady stuff, the marine corps will destroy it’s own reputation.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    THAT IS FUCKING COOL!  

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    We should try to put together a post on VEERP FY13 with any information we can get our hands on. 

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

     I just submitted ihatetheusmc.com to reddit.  :D

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

     It is!

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Don’t worry.  We’ve all been there, the day will come.

  • Usmc oorah?

    Same here. July 31, 2015… Seems so impossibly far away

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

     http://redd.it/rk8r5

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    That’s something to definitely bring up to the VA.  If you still have a copy of your dental record I would recommend bringing it so you have some kind of evidence that it all happened while you were in.  I’m not entirely sure how it’ll work out for you, but hopefully they’ll take care of you.

  • Madmike19682003

    i doubt it but civilian should as he runs this website. i try to watch my mouth a lot on this site. i try to be impartial and just educate potential recruits or new marines on what lies ahead and give advice on surviving the fmf. but i also point out i am possibly the oldest guy on this forum so a lot of my info is obsolete. i hear words or terminology that didn’t exist when i was in so sometimes these other posters lose me. also i am not quite sure of this but i believe it is technically illegal to tell people not to join the military. you can give advice if someone specifically asks you but thats it. now of course tons of people and organizations do anyway and any such law would be unconstitutional as hell but who knows.

  • FailedToAdapt

    Make love, not war.

    Seriously, I am not even joking, Sex releases oxcytocin–the human bonding hormone/neurotransmitter. In turn, it creates a more calm, secure individual less likely to swept up by the paranoid rhetoric the warmongers use..

  • Blahhhhhh

    Im in the usmc and ninja punch is right they preach this bullshit about how we are brother and sister and how we are held to a higher standard yet they dont give a fuck about you, i was just recently punished for something i didnt do you know… Looking out for my brothers… For my punishment i was given 45 days… Im still currently on restriction sharing a very small room with a marine who is getting out… Although my side of the room had minor discretions and his side was trashed iam receiving yet another njp for the room being dirty my wife does not drive she has no vehicle and we are in process of finding a new home considering we were not allowed bah until we turned in a letter of vacancy which we had to be out the barracks before it was turned in and signed… This glory military shit you guys are defending, is not what u think… Funny how we had a formation all junior marines were told basically we are family yet when sncos held their formation they were bashing on junior marines… Maybe you gents should join and find out for yourself

  • The other guy

    It’s people who decide to join on their own free will (not drafted) and assume the responsibilities in providing a security that many of you have taken for granted since birth that pay the ultimate price with your peace loving freedom of speech. It is disheartening to here so many people slander the Marine Corps and it’s traditions while sitting in the comfort of your homes not really knowing what it is like to be on the other side of the so called fence. The worst thing that could have ever happened to our country (9-11) sparked the largest scale of support for our troops and like everything else the support faded and turned into one big bash fest. Remembering all the positive things that have come from our continued support in those far off lands is the only way to truly reignite the American way of supporting our troops and knowing that everyone who has served and is currently serving does this for all of you. It’s a choice we all make and it is your right to speak freely just remember your freedom is built on decades of military men and women paying the ultimate price and putting themselves out there for each and everyone of you.

  • FailedToAdapt

    Sorry TheOtherGuy, but you are the victim of propaganda. The troops do not fight for freedom. They fight for oil, weapons manufacturers, and corporate interests. Corporations profit greatly off the blood of our troops. America has gotten less free since 9/11 and the troops weren’t there to stop the politicians from taking our rights.

    Iraq and Afghanistan are in disrepair because of our presence there. Fallujah is seeing a unprecedented number of birth defects in the children due to our use of depleted uranium shells. Millions of of Iraqi civilians have been killed by us and more live in poverty since we INVADED a sovereign nation. Afghanistan is seeing a growth in opium production due to our protect

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Seriously? 30 seconds of research, and an original thought. That’s all I’m asking for. And I can’t even get that much from you.

    I (am the vast majority of others on this site) are either active duty marines or marine veterans. If you’re so interested in my credentials, here you go: http://ihatetheusmc.com/forum/discussion/292/i-am-ninja_punch#Item_1
    Read up!

    As for your bit about slandering the marine corps and its traditions, let me turn that around on you, and you can tell me if you’ve made a good argument. Ready?
    “It is disheartening to here so many people slander terrorism and Middle Eastern traditions while sitting in the comfort of your bases and up armored vehicles, not really knowing what it is like to be on the other side of the fence.”

    Now then, when your own argument is applied to the other side of the war, is it still a good argument? Does it follow that you shouldn’t condemn terrorism because you’ve never been a terrorist? If not, then I could still condemn the military for the atrocities that it commits, even if I had never been in. Your argument is completely unsound.

    That said, just so you’re aware we’re not slandering the marine corps. In order for what we’re saying to be slander, it would have to be untrue.

    Really, let’s take a look at just a couple examples of your “positives”.
    The DoD rebuilt a few schools after carpet bombing an entire nation.
    The DoD delivered food and water to civilians, while torturing thousands of inmates in dozens of prisons (not the least of which was Abu Ghraib.
    The DoD opened combat roles to women, while military sexual assaults spiked to the highest levels we’ve ever seen.

    I could go on and on… but the fact remains that “supporting the troops” is not something that Americans should aspire to.

    Safety and Peace

  • FailedToAdapt

    Ion of the poppy field contradicting our war on drugs. We also know that there are abundant sources of ore in Afghanistan. Currently, U.S. Forces are providing security while multinational corporations extract them. It’s not about freedom and it never was. Read War is A Racket by Smedley Butler.

    Have a good one.

  • Jimmy j

    You all were the bottom 10%. You thought you were the cool kids who were owed something in the corps. I have read the comments on here and know your type. This has nothing to do with propaganda or hazing. This has everything to do with your up bringing. Your parents must be proud about how you went against the regulations that you were told you would need to follow by telling your senior leadership off. It is pathetic to think that some naive kid in high school who might be reading your blogs will never be able to make a decision on their own because of you pathetic excuses for human beings. If you just did your job and followed regulations you would have had a better experience. Nothing is done to those who just do what needs to be done. It’s always some else who did something wrong in your eyes. I know you must have lots of time on your hands to be able to keep up with a blog such as this. I wonder what type of employee you must be in the civilian world. If it is anything like you were in the marine corps that unemployment line must suck. Have a great day.

  • Knob_Gaudy

    Hello. reading your comment, I see we have common ground as far as the following of regulations and doing your job. Have you read my Sand Castle Blue’s blog series on this site? I can’t speak for everyone who posts on this site, but my major falling out with the military environment I was in was that I did just like you said. I read and knew the regs, and noticed that virtually everyone around me didn’t follow them, instead making up their own rules so that they could bully and intimidate and demean the freshmen. I reported it up chain of command, and was vilified for it. the hypocrisy was unbearable for me.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    Who are you trying to convince? I can understand how you feel, as you are very proud of your service, and most likely never experienced any wrong doing during your time, but that does not necessarily mean that others have not. It also does not mean that the users of this site are the type of people you described above. I think it’s a bit silly that you came to these conclusions, but if I came to a place where I disagreed with nearly everyone there I would probably feel the same way.

    I don’t have to worry about being a shitty employee (which I probably would be because I am not fond of following incompetent orders), because I own my own company. I am also the creator of this website. Imagine that.

    With that said I have a few questions for you. Would you agree that sometimes good marines get fucked by the green weenie? Don’t you think the term green weenie has a reason for existing? Would you agree that sometimes people just have a shitty day in the marines because of some non-sense they couldn’t control? Would you agree that sometimes the wrong people get promoted and end up in charge? Would you agree that the marine corps is not anything close to perfect?

    These are the common reasons why people come here.

    Would you agree that people should be more informed about the marine corps before they join? Even the parts that suck? I think that is pretty reasonable. I think this site is reasonable. It gives people a place to learn, help others, and relieve some stress.

  • FailedToAdapt

    Sir, I must say that statement is quite presumptuous.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Would you care to tell me about my upbringing then, since you know so much about it? Would you like to tell me about my time in the marine corps? Maybe you could tell me what I did that made me the “bottom 10%”? You are making absolutely baseless assumptions, and blanket statements that have no basis in reality.

    Next, how does what we’re doing makes it so that someone “will never be able to make a decision on their own”? Are you trying to say that marines presenting their point of view is denying someone else the ability to make an independent decision? If so, should would you also agree that recruiters should not be allowed to talk to potential recruits because doing so would prevent them from being “able to make a decision on their own”? Should the marine corps be prohibited from making commercials or issuing any public statements on the grounds that so much as speaking of the marine corps is printing others from making decisions for themselves?
    I don’t think that you can consistently support the kind of position that you seem to be advocating.

    I must also disagree with your claim that “nothing is done to those who just do what needs to be done”. I’m not sure when/if you were in the marine corps, but if you were in for any length of time, you should be well aware that mass punishment is a common, everyday reality in the marine corps. If you do everything right – If you have a 300 PFT/CFT, Rifle Expert, 5.0/5.0 pro/cons, have every MCI in the book done, go to bed early on weekends so you can wake up and pt in the mornings – literally, doing everything right that you can possibly do, and someone goes off base and gets in a drunken brawl, you will still be punished for not being aware of it and preventing it. (Never mind that your NCO’s and SNCO also weren’t aware of it and also didn’t prevent it, it should’ve been you.) So your claim that we didn’t have a good experience because we refused to do our jobs/follow regulations is patently false.

    My last issue is one of terminology: “leadership” is not a position, it is a quality. Being a Sgt, SSgt, etc, does not make you someone’s “leadership”, it just means that you outrank someone else. In the case above, that Sgt clearly wasn’t anyone’s “leadership” he was just some higher-up.

    Safety and Peace

  • hooyut

    Well said, indoctrinated slave. When they come to round you up in the cattle cars in the name of freedom, because they have basically obliterated the laws keeping the military from taking over the policing of civilians, you tell me about just following orders.

    Don’t forget, all the Nazis did was just follow orders.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    That must have been hilarious my friend.

  • AngelDog

    The part about you ringing your bike bell almost made me pee my pants.

  • hooyut

    That was one epic tale. You and I would have definitely been friends in that unit. hahaha