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Welcome to iHateTheUSMC.com. This site’s mission is to present a brutally honest picture of the current state of the United States Marine Corps.

We are dedicated to pointing out those areas where the Marine Corps fails to live up to its reputation and to proposing solutions to those shortcomings, as well as giving due credit in those instances where the marine corps truly does something well. As a secondary mission, we provide a place for Marines, Veterans, family members to share their experiences, vent their frustrations, and seek solutions for their problems. Similarly, as we are not affiliated with the USMC of Dept. of Defense, we provide an unbiased source of marine corps related information for potential recruits/poolees.

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  • Calvinfredrickguerrero

    I just want some cocain

  • Testing

    this is a test as a guest user

  • iwon420

    I’d just like to say i am a 4.5 year terminal lance retiree and yes i boned the shit out of the corp holla at me now gunny dueces ya pog bitch enjoy your next 8 years

  • Terminal Gunny

    Let me tell you something, I am a GySgt with 18 years in the corps and I hate this s#!t.
    I feel like I wasted so much of my life, I have all sorts of medical issues and buddies of mine have moved on and been incredibly successful. Obviously there is no point in getting out at this point, however, take it from me, if you don’t like it now, get the hell out at your first chance. Don’t end up like me, miserable and wasting your time. Take care all!!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      It is truly inspiring to learn that there are SNCO’s who haven’t bought into the bullshit. I’m sorry to hear of your medical problems, but I’m glad that you’ve chosen to offer the wisdom of your experience.

      Enjoy your hard earned pension in a couple of years, you’ve certainly earned it, for putting up with the corps for as long as you have.

  • Terminal Gunny

    That is awesome!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Thank you Gunny! I wrote it myself, right before I left Oki-traz.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Loving the new system. Especially the flagging, seems like a great way to try to get that Sgt Awesome character off of this place. Although he does make me laugh on a routine basis so maybe we should keep him as a pet… any thoughts?

    By the way, NINJA PUNCH, and NINJA_PUNCH are both me, just on the forum I couldn’t have a space in my username so I threw in the underscore.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      Thanks! I will always be looking to improve the site, so if you ever have an idea that you feel would be badass, let me know.
      Thanks again.

    • crushedsoul

      I actually like Sgt Awesome to attempt his trolling. He makes me laugh in a world where laughter is shot down like squirrels at the range. Also, have you seen most of the retards that troll here? The trouble with trolls is they normally do it because they’re usually good at it, but the trollls here aren’t good at much anything outside of herp and/or derp. The salvos of their attempted “flame war” make me feel like a cruel child about to yank the legs and wings off of an insect that was too annoying for its own good.

  • Thedude

    Yep got a low reg on friday!

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    Testing posting a picture.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4fDztrLn3I Testing out youtube video posting, this guy made a pretty bad ass song about the marine corps.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.
  • 1 2 buckle my shoe

    I’m deployed round 2 with less then 6 months in between and when i get back i only have 40 days to eas thanks 1st sgt. FAG!

  • kin town drunk

    thankyou and yes it really is! what the fuck is with this sgt.awesome dude?

    • crushedsoul

      I’m pretty sure he’s just a troll, but he may actually be a boot or a poolee thinking: “Well, if I say I’m a Sgt. they’re gonna respect what I say and get their moto back, oorah.” He seems like a harmless clamhat since all he can talk about is how much he loves the grooming regs.

  • kin town drunk

    It’s the sad truth but you should start looking for a new boyfriend.  Some one who is sane and normal.

    • …………………

      i have a guilty conscious and im not even the one who joined. i hate all the murder, violence, bullying stories i hear and i hate how in a way im linked to it. i just turned 19. i shouldnt have so much stress on me. sane and normal is exactly what i need.

  • F M L

    Really, is that what you think happens to everyone that gets out, they all are doomed to living with their parents if they leave the corps. Or is this the lie you were told and believed all too eagerly, the lie you used to convince yourself you just had to reenlist, but in reality you were just afraid. Now your’e married and have 4 kids, sounds to me like you were a victim of your circumstances, had you stayed single and without kids you might have had enough balls to not reenlist, but now… now you’re truly fucked, you could just go out into the real world and fight it out, but Im sure you now have a little rank, a little billet, all these stupid little things that you have convinced yourself that they’re important,  and of course a steady paycheck. In return, all they ask is that you lay down your diginity, buy into the brainwashing, and bend over and take that green wienie.. enjoy that paycheck..

    • 69

      it’s spelled weenie btw…

      • F M L

        Reason #12323127314648182371…. why I need to get out.. makes your spelling worse..lol

  • Pullingtrigger

    Hana my favorite part is when a an upper is like ” hey bitch!” And you respond “yes bitch!” Then they get all pissed off they got called a bitch. By calling me one its letting me know it ok for me to call you a bitch. The upper gets mad and says ” ok devil dog, grow some thick skin” when in reality he’s the one who got all butt hurt. So who really is the bitch? Wtf….

  • …………………

    yeah, im in college now i wish he would of made the same decision. all that propaganda.

  • …………………

    how bad is the brainwashing?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Frankly, the brainwashing is as bad as the individual wants it to be.  

      The Marine Corps’ idea is to basically destroy the individual, shave their heads, dress them the same, and basically turn them into an anonymous number.  Then, as soon as they pass the Crucible event and become Marines, the Corps gives back most of what it took, with the false promise of more.

      I came out of Boot Camp, extremely motivated, it lasted almost a year and a half.  I wanted to believe their lies, and so I did.  The sooner he realizes that the Corps is a lie and a sham, the sooner he will recover.  If he joined because he just needed a job and didn’t care about the pseudo-patriotic nonsense, it might not even take.  Unfortunately it sounds like he joined out of pride, so he’ll most likely take the bait. When he get’s home he won’t be able to shut up about how awesome the Corps is, and he won’t want to hear anything bad about his precious Marine Corps.

      I’m sorry about your boyfriend, but he made his decision. Now you have to make yours.

      Safety and Peace.

      NINJA_PUNCH

  • …………………

    this forum is fantastic. i have so much bottled up. and so much resentment towards marines.

    i hope this gets easier.

  • Terminal Gunny

    ” Our burden is the fuck-fuck games, the belittlements, the insults, the dumb shit done not in the name of America, but to satisfy some assholes ego, so some prick like you can feel important, because after all, your dumbass actually feels we owe you something.”  This is on point!  Good one!

  • Just another guy

    I am supposed to get out on Saturday. I had a missing gear statement turned in 2 weeks ago and my Sgt my gunny and my lt all told me it was at battalion. Yesterday my lt handed it back to me saying that I filled it out wrong. I hadn’t had another officer give me a counciling. There were no signatures on it. It never left my lt’s desk. It’s now Tuesday and there’s no “acting” co commander to sign the paper because everyones at a field op. And I’m on the duty roster for the day after I eas. I smell a plot. If I can’t trust my chain of command to take care of this then WTF? Now I’m getting chewed out for going outside of my chain of command. A year from now none of this will matter but right now I’m fucking pissed. Fml.

    • Terminal Gunny

      You need to request mast.  Go as high as you can.  Fuck the BC, go higher.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    If you let trolls piss you off, they win. If you argue with them…they win. If you even acknowledge their existence…they win. Mute them, and you win.

  • BAMF_JTAC

    stop your bitching, life isnt that bad. the corps is wut you make out of it, you all sound like a bunch of POG bitches! if you  feel like you made a mistake and cant cut it, do your 4 and leave, no big. im not a yut yut motivator and skates are platinum, but when it comes time to work i drop bombs and love it!

    • crushedsoul

      Oh no! Not the life of a POG! Surely, there must have been something else I could’ve done that would leave me without a skill set when I rejoin the civilian world! There must have been something that brought you here. Just saying.

  • Ben

    Whining faggots…EAS, and fail at civilian life as well.

    • jb

      your probably one of  the nco motivated bitches thats got a hard on cause hes got some power…. bro in the civilian world you would be the one getting your assed kicked cause you try some stupid ass bull shit that comes with being a faggot as nco

  • Terminal Gunny

    If he made the decision without consulting with you then you are not that important to him.  Let him go, it will be better for both of you in the long run.

  • Thestumps

    You know, I kind of wish I had a little more adventure while I was in.  Didn’t get the combat action, nor deploy except on a ship near Bermuda.  Kind of envy those Marines that got in on some action.  It just didn’t happen for me to want to stay in the Corps.  I did take a military contract job where I went shipboard and saw the world just about.  Even during Desert Storm. With the MPF program.  (Maritime Prepositioning Force)  Was also like in Honduras, and Korea, all over.  I guess I can credit that to the Corps.. 

  • F M L

    The Marine Corps really is like a huge shit sandwich… some recruiters might tell you a little about the shit but definetely not too much. Yes, they acknowledge the shit is there, but what they do is they try to cover it up, they talk about benefits, country, school, steady paycheck, medical care, duty to something greater than yourself, all this moto, psuedo-patriotic, and at times, self-interested bullshit.. But really what they’re really doing is trying to cover up the shit , basically, if you read between the lines,  they’re saying ” Yes, I know it’s a shit sandwich, but check it out, we put some tomatoes on it, some pickles, some ranch, some onions, some bacon, a little ketchup and mustard.. it can’t taste that bad after all this awesome stuff that comes with it..” and then, you sign the contract and there you are, just eating this disgusting shit sandwich, and all the topping’s in the world can’t and won’t make this shit sandwich taste better, I’d give it all back just to be a civilian.. If you’re reading this and intend to enlist/re-enlist.. don’t, just don’t, go, live a normal life..

    • i should have stayed at lowes

      yea its kinda like the saying, ” no matter how much you polish a turd, its still a piece of shit” lmao im half way through eating my shit sandwich:)

  • jb

    where do i even begin on how much bull shit this disorginization is?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      At the beginning.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        I agree with Ninja_Punch.  Tell us your story

  • Kessmine

    To tell the truth, I really respect the marine corps and some of the best people in the world in the marines. Now from the way I just sent that, many people might think that I am brain washed but I’m not. I disliked being in the marines due to my personal morale values being different from the organizations values. I got out 4 months ago with a general under honorable conditions, due to being an alcoholic and I was privilaged to get that because of my battalion commander being such a nice generous marine. I have to suffer from my mistakes due to my own actions for which I own up to. I really feel bad for a lot of individuals that are still in or have gotten out, who are going through or has experienced bad circumstances. Things happen for a reason and some things aren’t fit for some people. A marine once told me that some people get the good end of the stick and some people gets the shit end. Well a lot of us on here has gotten that shit end of the stick and has been raped in the ass by the green weinie, like the new fragile guy in prision. I wish you guys the best of luck in the future and my good things happen to us all. From the guy that’s finally free!

  • Guest

    I wouldn’t say I hated it. I think for most of us it was a love/ hate relationship. There were many things about it I liked but also a lot of bullshit I absolutely hated. Haircuts every damn week I mean really? Being treated like a damn kid because of other idiots’ mistakes that stupid group punishment crap. People being treated less than they deserve or objects of ridicule because they weren’t Mr Perfect on the PFT or hit the gym every waking moment even though they did their job better than everyone else. I think the thing I hated the most was the people, almost got booted out for causing so many fights with faggots trying to get to me and pick on you like it was high school, bunch of immature bullshit. Last three weeks I was there I finally snapped on a guy who had been riding me since I got there and went to town on him since he though it would be funny to mess up my EAS paperwork because I told him off for being a jackass. That guy never bugged me again and  I was man enough to say it was my problem and keep the brass out of it and keep our asses out of trouble. The plus side I think was we got a barracks to live in for free with almost no bills to pay, awesome mess halls ( sometimes). Made a lot of friends and had a lot of good times getting drunk in Japan and SD. Beer Pong! Traveling the world for free. Hell I walked out of the Marines with a free ride to college, a car and a lot more than a few grand in my pocket. It also taught me to stop being a wussy bitch and be a man plus I have a firm grasp on my life. So in the end I glad I did and saw it through to the end. 

  • fukdabulsht

    I say fuck the bullshit get out after 4 and if you got a clearance out of those motherfuckers use it and go over seas and make 6+ figures a year…..like me….

    • Dudeism

      whos hiring ?

  • GOD DAMNIT

    So about that VEERP shit. Its been 3 months and im still waiting, literally im trying to get into college depending on that peice of shit veerp. Ive bitched about it literally every day. They told me if I bitch about it one more time there gonna fry my ass. All my buddies got approved in 1 week, and half of those dirtbags arent even doing anything when they get out, not even college… FUSMC

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Man, just like “Terminal Gunny” told “Just Another Guy”, Request mast! Go have a little chit chat with the BC.  Then when they throw a fit over you requesting mast, do it again and claim that 1) They’ve been berating you for taking advantage of your right to request mast, or 2) they’ve been making reprisals against your for requesting mast. (Whichever applies)

      • Terminal Gunny

        I second this!

    • FleetMarineLife

      Request Mast

    • KFleetMarineLife

      Your package is probably sitting on your commander’s desk. My buddy waited for a colonel’s signature for his VEERP package for almost weeks. On the 21st day, he threatened to request mast. Shit got signed real quick. I don’t understand why it takes 21 days for a damn Colonel to sign one piece of paper.

  • Mkhm3rn

    Can I get divorce papers served to my “husband” over in Camp Leatherneck? He is not a real man. Cheater, abuser, faked college degree… Can anyone help ? Thank you. Former 8404 corpsman.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      http://divorcesupport.about.com/od/militarydivorce/f/militarybenefit.htm

      According to this link, military members may have legal proceedings, including divorce, delayed for the entire time the member is on active duty and for up to 60 days afterwards.  Also, there are other complications listed which pertain specifically to deployed spouses.

      My advice: find a military lawyer, and probably a civilian lawyer too, and figure out what your options are.  Let me know how this works out for you ok?

      Safety and Peace

      NINJA_PUNCH

  • Guest

     this is disheartening, I plan to enlist in a couple of months. I knew boot camp would be awful but you guys are really making me nervous, my biggest fear is being miserable for 4 years and getting absolutely nothing out of it. Is it really this bad? Isn’t the treatment different depending on MOS?

    • Thedude

      If you like being miserable, disrespected, and forced to live in prision like conditions no better place than the marine corps! Once you join you no longer have to think! Infact your brain will be sent 4 year vacation! Everyone will treat you like you’re 6 years old no matter how old or mature you are, so be sure not to dissapoint them! You’ll get the pleasure of eating the same grade F meat from the chowhall everyday IF you even have time to go their! The part I like best are the field days and if you join you’ll get to experience them every Thursday or Monday and sometimes if you’re lucky you get more!!! (PROTIP: Airforce if you’re smart Army if you’re ok Marines if you’re repeating 8th grade and need a exit)

      • marlasingerismypoweranimal

        FYI: Thedude’s post did not appear until I posted mine, so I could not have read it. But the similarity in our advice is astounding.  

    • marlasingerismypoweranimal

        The good news is that you have not enlisted yet. Let me be somewhat positive at first, because I don’t want to be one of those guys who says you’ll hate it. But I’m telling you now that that your odds are really 50/50 that the Corps is not your bag of chips. Motivators will tell you that you’ll never know if you don’t try. But for the sake of analogy, you wouldn’t bang a women who stands a 50/50 chance of chopping off your pecker, would you? So . . . you are rolling the dice. It’s up to you.
          I think the MOS does matter. I was in Motor Transportation, and can tell you right it’s a dead end unless fixing vehicles is your passion and you intend on getting certified throughout your contract. Holy shit, I can’t believe how optimistic I’m being with you. I sound like a recruiter. If you do enlist, and get out honorably, the VA benefits are a great asset for your future. But the other branches have VA benefits too, so that’s not exclusive to the Marines.
          But the main reason why the Corps sucked is because they’re fucking broke. You probably think (just like I did) that living an austere and spartan existence will make you hard and self-reliant. The truth? The USMC and its shoe-string budget has to package its marketing that way to get unsuspecting recruits. It’s not fun, and more importantly, it’s not necessary to live that way. It does NOTHING to make you a better warrior. And besides, the “bragging rights” of being a Marine, where your neighbors or family members take a step back and say, “Ohh, the MARINES. Wow.” are slowly going away. People are waking up to the sheer mediocrity of the USMC.
          Here is my advice: if you’re a good student, try to get into the Air Force. Otherwise, go in the Army. I never liked the Navy, and it’s not because I was a Marine. It’s just a very political branch, and super competitive. I worked with the Navy in Iraq, and they were okay. But I wouldn’t want to be one of them. If you like water, try the Coast Guard- I’ve heard some very good things about them. The Army and Air Force have tons of funding, and it shows. You might think that quality of life isn’t all that importnant, but 2 years of the Corps will make you realize that your barracks are inferior, the buildings look like prisons, and the food is not tasty (but it’s edible).
         Allow me to predict your future. You will go to boot camp. You will take it like a champ because all bets are off at boot camp. Anything goes. Then you go to Marine Combat Training for a month, where things are a more lax. But you’re still being treated like a child. However, you still have hope because you’re not even a fully trained Marine yet. So you take it like a champ. Then you go to your MOS school, where the games begin again. Ridiculous games when you should be sleeping. You get the weekends off, which is nice, but you are a grown man and deserve the weekends off anyway. But you start wondering, “If this is just a way for them to keep me sharp, I’ll accept it.” But you still have that ray of hope that when you hit the fleet then your real career will begin and you can start living the dream. But then again, you’re a boot. So you spend a year taking shit because that’s what eager and motivated boots do. So after about a year is when you think you deserve your respect because you’re probably a Lance Corporal and have been around for a while. But guess what? The entire thing will be an uphill and anticlimactic battle for status and authority. But the whole time you’ll be asking yourself when it will start making sense, and when can you really start to enjoy yourself. The catch is this: you deserve respect from Day 1, but they will convince you that you have to earn even the most basic rights of decent behavior.   
           I got out honorably as a Sgt, and my experience tells me that when you hit Gunnery Sgt, that is when you’ve finally ARRIVED. That doesn’t mean it’s worth it though. It takes ten to 12 years to get promoted so you can $40,000 a year? Maybe it’s $50k, I’m not sure. But that’s insane. And after all that struggle, you will feel compelled to tell yourself that all that nonsense was worth it. That would be the brainwashing taking its hold on you. But a reasonable man, looking from the outside in, will see that there are far better career paths than being an enlisted Marine. If you must join the Corps, you’d be better off finishing college and going commissioned. But if you have a college degree, you can do better than the Corps. Good luck.              

    • Twoot50

      I’ve been reading this forum for months and have finally been inclined to post something. First of all ask yourself- “how did these guys all find this website?” Answer- we all typed “I hate the usmc” into Google. Now there are many benefits to joining, medical, gi bill, etc. But at the cost of hating your life, never getting laid, becoming a drunk, contemplating suicide, and becoming a bitter person in general. My advice: go to college, or even join the peace corp and actually help people because no matter what the recruiter told you you won’t be doing that in the corps. Enjoy your life, and if you absolutely must join the military join the airforce or coastguard, they have waiting lists for a reason.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      I am the creator of this website. And I want to take the time to say…. Please do not join the Marine Corps. If you must join the military, join the Army or the Airforce.

      Thanks for coming to my website.

      • i should have stayed at lowes

        youre so cool dude..im stuck here in okitraz and this site is all that keeps me from hanging myself..well that and my wife..i just think to myself everyday, 20 MONTHS AND I GET MY SOUL BACK AND IN 4 MONTHS ILL FINALLY GET TO LIVE WITH MY WIFE:)

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      In fairness, some units are worse than others and each mos is a different experience.  That being said, I’m certain that if we were to take a poll we’d find guys from all over the corps, and all different mos’s on here, saying the same stuff.

      Please, I beg you, don’t do it. Whether you feel a need to serve your country, or just need a steady job, choose a different branch!  If you’re smart go Air Force, if not Army might be the way to go.

      I’m not going to sit here and say that either of those two are perfect either, frankly anywhere you go is going to have stupidity in it somewhere, but they’re nowhere near as ridiculous as the marine corps.

      So once again I implore you, don’t waste four years of your life in this disorganization.  Please don’t. I can’t emphasize it enough! Don’t end up like me, 21 years od, 3 1/2 years in, mild PTSD, Tinnitis in my ears, and the early stages of arthritis in one knee.

      If there’s anything you want to know, feel free to ask! If I don’t know, there’s someone here who does.  Just please don’t waste your life like how most of us on this site have.

      Safety and Peace

      NINJA_PUNCH

      • ……………………

        you were so young when you enlisted:/

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Had my 18th Birthday in boot camp… 

    • crushedsoul

      The best part of being treated like a child is how it is auomatically assumed a higher rank will be smarter/more mature. I started my “adventure” late in life (mid-20s) which automatically made me, a lance, older than 80% of the SNCOs in my unit. They can’t not fail at life. They have one good cookie, one rocker. I have one good cookie, one stripe. They can’t speak intelligible English. I am a polyglot. They worry when Marines “don’t look the part”. I worry when Marines “can’t do their goddamned job”. They can rape minors in foreign countries. I can only keep a six-pack in my fridge. They can’t get a triple digit GT score on their ASVAB. I can’t win an argument with reason and common sense.
      Results ALWAYS vary and you may enjoy it. You may even rise to the top. Don’t buy into the bullshit, though. If being told that you’re wrong because the person you disagreed with outranks you sounds a little intolerable, do not join. This will be the next 4 years of your life.

    • KFleetMarineLife

      I made a friggen website about the USMC illusion.

      http://www.fleetmarinelife.com

      Read all the blog posts and links.

    • Guest

      Hey, I wanna thank you guys for the detailed and concerned responses. I’m not sure what I’m going to end up doing yet, that’s something I need to figure out for myself. But I appreciate all of you taking the time to post here and give me a feel for the ugly side of the corps, the side I wouldn’t otherwise hear about from a recruiter/motivated Marine just out of boot camp. Even if I end up joining and love it, I still appreciate you guys trying to help me out. It’s actually pretty fuckin compassionate to go out of your way to type out paragraphs for a total stranger just to stop him from totally fucking himself over. So like I said, I dunno what I’m gonna do yet, but thanks.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        :)

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        No problem bro, just doing my duty as a fellow human being.  If there’s anything else you would like to know / have clarified, please feel free to ask.

    • F M L

      Boot camp isn’t half of it, not even close, its everything else that comes after, the other 3 years and 9 months. If you want lies and an illusion, talk to a recruiter. It’s their job to convince you, don’t ever believe you really matter to a recruiter as a person. Their job is to “make mission” meaning that they HAVE to get a certain amount of people to enlist otherwise they look bad. All you are to a recruiter is a number, a number and maybe a weekend off if they happen to make mission, that’s it, nothing more. If you want the truth about the Marine Corps read all these posts.. Now if you really want to enlist do this, find a field in the civilian world that’s in demand and makes good money,  and see if the Army, Navy, or Air Force offers something that will allow you to get out and continue in that field. All this I tell you is what I wish someone would have told me.

      • Thedude

        Good god, I wish I would’ve done that. Nothing like a job that is completely worthless in the civilian world to make you realize the last 4 years of your life have been a complete waste and college is the only way to redeem yourself.

  • Cr85111

    Wow I was going to enlist like this week. I have already gone to meps, but this forum has just completely answered all my questions and I’m definitely sticking with college!! Thank you

    • guest

      You are more than welcome. Carry on with your normal life.         

    • Nightingale

      Dear Cr85111,
      I am married to the Marine Corps after 36 years of “normal” civilian life. I would ascertain that most people on this particular website have a problem with responsibility and self-motivation.  
      The call to serve is very noble, and the USMC is the creme de la creme.  If you have what it takes, you will do amazing things as a Marine.  If you do not, you are destined to bitch on a website.
      I wish you all the best.  Semper Fi as a Marine.  God Bless as a civilian.  Semper Feisty to your mate.  
      It’s a calling, not a “last, best option.” 
      The few.  The Proud.  The Marines.

      • Terminal Gunny

        Whoever this person is he/she has completely bought into the BS that is put out by the corps.  They do not give two shits about your family or your wellbeing.  Do not believe the hype this person put on here.  What this person wrote is nonsense and absolutely ridiculous and is the very propaganda the corps delivers and wants you to believe.  Do not buy into it!

      • someguy

        We all know You are some recruiter….stop Recruiting!!!!!!

    • Mochakita74

      Dear Cr85111,I am married to the Marine Corps after 36 years of “normal” civilian life. I would ascertain that most people on this particular website have a problem with responsibility and self-motivation.  The call to serve is very noble, and the USMC is the creme de la creme.  If you have what it takes, you will do amazing things as a Marine.  If you do not, you are destined to bitch on a website.I wish you all the best.  Semper Fi as a Marine.  God Bless as a civilian.  Semper Feisty to your mate.  It’s a calling, not a “last, best option.” The few.  The Proud.  The Marines.

      • Thedude

        rofl I have that sinking feeling in my stomach, y’know that one you get when you watch one of those shitty marine corps advertisements and you think “How did I fall for THAT!?”

        • crushedsoul

          I’m done and I still haven’t stormed Iwo Jima as a member of the Silent Drill Platoon and slain a dragon…

      • marlasingerismypoweranimal

        If we have a problem with self-motivation, we would seek refuge in the Marine Corps. You just projected your own personal weakness onto us. The entire premise of the USMC is to motivate the subject because its members lack the proper incentive to do it themselves. I’m just using your logic against you, that’s all. That’s why they need a rigid, adolescent-minded “career ladder” through which to chart their lives. The bravest people I know (aside from those who put themselves in harm’s way, which is only about 15% of the Marine Corps) are the civilians who stick it out and face career uncertainty. The entrepreneurs, the risk takers. In other words, civilians have bigger balls than enlisted lifers. There is NOTHING uncertain about the Marine Corps. If you stick around, you’ll get promoted. That’s not the measure of excellence, my friend. That’s simply the attrition of men who realize that the USMC is an endurance contest- how much foolishness can one endure, and just how much desperation (i.e., how many children, bills, lack of education, and fear of the civilian world) does the Marine possess? I’m talking about the enlisted ranks only.  That’s why officers are really above all that shit, for the most part. Enlisted Marines hate them because they live a better life. If they’re scared of the civilian world, hey it’s their life. But they should stop all this nonsense about serving a higher cause while belittling a civilian who had better sense than him, and got out.      

        And speaking of “servitude,” who exactly are you serving? Are you a boot? A spouse? Retired?  My guess (and I’m just guessing) is that you’re a spouse- there aren’t very many males whose screen name is Nightingale. Kinda girly. I could be wrong. Anyway . . . what are you “ascertaining?” From your post, I “ascertain” that you are either an outsider who’s never served or are completely brainwashed. Were you being deliberately vague in order to have your voice heard? If your bread and butter is/was being subsidized by the U.S. tax payer, you have an obligation to pay homage to the Marine Corps. That doesn’t mean you’re right, though. OF COURSE you think it’s noble- you have to in order to believe the nature of your cause. Your assessment of the USMC is not exactly objective. The only ones who should talk like that have been in a firefight, seen their buddy get killed, and/or put themselves in harm’s way. So if that’s you, kudos and God bless. Otherwise, you’re just blowing hot air. You’ll notice that I have a tremendous amount of respect for Marines who have been in the shit.  

        It’s not that we bitch, Mochakita74/Nightingale- we just marvel at the magnitude of Marine Corps arrogance. Such self-congratulatory talk is reserved for NASA scientists, artificial heart designers, philanthropists, or inventors who change the world. Or Marines that risk their lives or pay the ultimate price. It’s the same old thing with Marines- if they don’t receive their expected level of adoration and prestige, they DEMAND it. How “selfless” of them. Marines should be grateful that they have a job instead of insisting they deserve the accolades from the very people paying their salaries. I just don’t get it- the living conditions suck, too much time is wasted on extraneous activities (as they tout the benefits of “efficiency”), and all the while they tell you it’s a calling. A calling to what? Safety stand downs, inspections and field days? I think they’ve been suckered into a raw deal to do menial labor under the guise of gallantry. It’s probably the uniform that distracts them. It’s not that I don’t love my country. It’s that, in the words of the late, great George Carlin, “I just have a low tolerance for stupid bullshit.”               

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Cr85111, don’t buy into the BS of that Mochakita/nightingale character.  If you want to find a problem with responsibility, the Corps is the first place to look.  After 3 1/2 years of being told “You’re a grown man, act like one” Then having my ass handed to me every time I tried to do something in a more efficient manner, because it wasn’t the exact way someone who outranked me happened to want it done.  STAY IN COLLEGE!  That is the best decision you could possibly make!

    • Terminal Gunny

      Cr85111,

      Good choice, if I could do it all over again I definitely would have attended college.  That is a part of life that I completely missed out on and one of my biggest regrets in life.  I enlisted in 1993, I have 18 years in the corps and I have seen it go downhill in a big way!  Save yourself some time and heartache and stick with college!  Take care and good luck.

    • Terminal Gunny

      The corps is so disorganized and there is a lack of responsibility anywhere you look.  It does not matter if one is a grunt or an airwinger, it is everywhere.  Where else in this country can one screw shit up and blow off their responsibility and get promoted?  I see it all the time and I am sick and tired of it.  I have a term for people like that, it’s called “product of time.”  If one sticks around the corps long enough he will be promoted.  They are not looking for responsible human beings they are looking for drones.  Do not be one!

    • guest

      u have done more for your country than all of us have by going to college

    • FUSMC

      That’s fucking awesome hahahahaha FUSMC.

    • …………………

      fantastic!:D

  • Terminal Gunny

    I plan on ditching every piece of crap uniform, t-shirt or corps memorabilia that I currently own.  I definitely wont be telling anyone I was a marine unless it is on my job application.  Screw that t-shirt crap!!!!

  • Terminal Gunny

    This guy is a douche rocket……….screw him!

  • Terminal Gunny

    So what happened??

  • Infiniteallen

    I’m just going to join the marines… 

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      Good luck with that!

    • KFleetMarineLife

      Why…?

    • Mranderson

      this guy is obviously a troll, or someone who is unable to comprehend the fact that joining the USMC is a mistake and they wanted to come here and gloat about it so us “non-motivators” would get upset. 

  • Thomas

     Can anybody name something positive they took away from the corps? Did they learn discipline? responsibility? leadership skills? These are some of the things I was hoping to get out of serving, but still haven’t decided on a branch. I’m torn between this and the air force (apples and oranges, i know). I’m drawn to the AF because they treat their people better, don’t seem insane/fanatical, better quality of life and duty stations, and also because I’m color deficient and the AF can offer me more jobs I’m actually interested in. But to be honest there’s a part of me that wants to challenge myself and to acquire those traits I mentioned above. I don’t want to feel like my basic training was some kind of joke and not truly take something away from it, I want to test myself and feel proud that I really accomplished something great. Am I romanticizing what the corps can do for me?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Discipline and leadership skills are things that you can learn in any branch of the military, as well as other places in the civilian world.  The Marine Corps likes to tout that it teaches these things the best, but frankly that’s mostly recruiter hype.  As for responsibility, the marine corps will speak to responsibility and accountability, and then babysit your for at least your first enlistment.  If at some point they do give you any responsibility for anything, higher-ups will take any opportunity to completely berate you for not instinctively knowing exactly how the particular task was supposed to be accomplished without asking any questions.

      Frankly, boot camp is 3 months, and it is somewhat challenging, though not nearly as tough as you imagine.  And after this 3 month “challenge” you have 3 years and 9 months of getting fucked with just because you signed a piece of paper.

      Frankly, yeah, you’re romanticizing.  It’s not unusual, all you really have as far as information about the military is recruiting commercials/websites.  But please don’t join the Corps, if you feel you need to serve your country, please do so.  But do it in another branch.

      Safety and Peace.

      • Terminal Gunny

        I concur……….do it in the Air Force.

    • Asf

      Leadership, responsibility and discipline comes from within. An organization cannot ‘give’ it to you- you gain them through self improvement and goal setting. I ranked up in Marine Corps Martial Arts and learned a lot about use of force. 

    • NotAJarhead

      I spent 5 years in the USAF and worked with Jarheads in Europe.  They are definitely a different breed and it takes a certain type of person to work in that group.  Myself, I’d definitely go AF over Marines but that’s just my choice.  It was more like a 9 to 5 job with some TDY  thrown in or a couple weeks of working 12s during exercises.  On the other side, I will say that Marines do have sharp uniforms but that’s the LAST thing I would consider here.  I wore the same style BDUs as them daily and rarely ever wore my blues.  That was for weenies working in CBPO.  Basic training for all branches just weeds out non-hackers who don’t have even the lowest form of skills in coping with stuff.  If nothing else, it’s fun to watch some people have the clamps put on them on a daily basis.

      • Joe

        bootcamp no longer weeds out “non-hackers” they just let anyone in.

      • okinawa inmate

        on the contrary boot camp does not weed anyone out. I mean if the marine corps is nothing but bad asses and killers. Crazy people not too fuck with bc we are all body slayers and tough and unstoppable then why do i see 70lbs women, fat fucks, and skinnies walkin around? bc they need a number count..luckily tho bc of this and many other things the corps will soon end which is good bc can you believe people are still joining bc they thing we are the best of the best?? man i hope i dont get my ass beat by a civilian..lol

    • Terminal Gunny

      Go Air Force!  Do not enlist in the Marine Corps, you will regret it.  I have been in 18 years and if I could do it over again I would definitely join the Air Force. 

  • crushedsoul

    Is there any way we can get a poll on here?  I read in an earlier post how someone said this website may be a perfect cross-section of the Marine Corps, being that the people who post here will likely cover the MOS spectrum.  I just wanted an anonymous poll to see what MOS we have here.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      I could def put a poll up, but in the future if you have suggestions, put them on the forum just in case i miss it. 

  • Homie55662000

    F*** The rank structure most people who pick up these days where kids who got picked on in High School, Suck the green weanie and now that they got rank they can mess with anyone below them.

    • okinawa inmate

      lol word homie

  • tRAINED tO sMOKE

    I got out the the USMC today! And I am really stoned right now! FUCK THAT PIECE OF SHIT ORGANIZATION

  • Prime

    Great! A place for all the non hacking pussies and their commie friends to gather and play with each other’s weenie egos.

    • ThatsMisterToYou

      You seem to fit the description so welcome, bitch.  Now let me ask you this: Why are you on this site then?  You must’ve typed it “I hate the Marine Corps” on google and found this.  Don’t try and tell us you just happened to stumble upon this by accident either.  If you just searched “Marine Corps” there are about 52 and a half million search results and I promise you this isn’t on the first 10 pages.  So again, why are you here?
       
      You seem like the type of asshole who’s a bigot and would go to gay clubs on purpose just to bash on those people.  It’s people like you who infect the Marine Corps.  We (people in this forum) just see the Marine Corps for what it really is. 
       
      You think because you iron your uniform and sing cadence everywhere you’re a good Marine?  I bet you that any of these, to use your phrase, “non hacking pussies” could run rings around you.  They were the ones working while you were sitting on your ass bullshittin’ with the Shop Chief.  God forbid you help out the Marines or even supervise.  You need to laugh at Gunny’s jokes so you can get good pro/cons or FitReps. 
       
      What I don’t understand is the need for assholes like you to treat their Marines like shit.  Why?  Is it some conspiracy that some of are left out on?  Is your sole intention to get good, hard-working Marines toleave the Marine Corps?  Because if it is then Bravo!  You did it. 

      Have fun talking about pull-ups, run times and uniform regs.  Good day, sir.

      • TomRiddel

        word of mouth, I just heard about this site today

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Aww… a brand new troll trying to hurl insults at us… how adorable.

    • okinawa inmate

      ooooooooraaaahhh motivator!!!!! lol faggot

  • tartanmarine

    I used to say there was no such thing as an ex-Marine. then someone e-mailed me the link to your site. You guys have proved me wrong. I’m old now, and have Pulmonary Fibrosis, which is eventually terminal, though I’m still working. When you guys are old, you will feel like Philip Nolan.

    Robert A. Hall
    Cpl, USMC, 64-68.
    Vietnam, 67
    Massachusetts Senate 73-83
    SSgt, USMCR, 77-83
    Author: The Coming Collapse of the American Republic
    (All royalties go to a charity to help wounded Marines)

    • 5percent

      Thank you for sharing. But why are you wasting time telling us?

      • Mranderson

        Did you know that over 60,000 “ex-Marines” agree with this site?

        • TomRiddel

          Did you hear that from facebook?

          • Mranderson

            No I saw the usmc hater count on the top

          • Maddog911

            you’re an idiot. That’s for the number of people that have LOOKED at the site. Actually I’m kinda surprised you can read too.

    • marlasingerismypoweranimal

      Out of respect for your stellar career and the obvious affection you have for your nation, this is my response. By the way . . .are you aware that most former Marines end up driving taxis, cleaning pools, or selling cars? Do you realize that you escaped mediocrity not because you were a Marine, but because you had the talent, ability and drive in the first place? Criticism of the Corps is not a crime.    
        
      To your credit, I believe people were more mature back then. But then again, we now have children leading children in the Corps. Aside from your Vietnam tour, the Corps made more sense. Your fellow NCOs who enlisted for life have already retired- now there are just a handful of decent, conscientious MEN who know what they’re doing. There is a huge leadership vacuum. Now you’re on this site to offer your wisdom, and I appreciate that. But you obviously haven’t taken the time to discover precisely what the site addresses. 
       True, “hate” is a strong word. And there are a share of people on this site who partake in activities I wouldn’t. I don’t smoke weed (yeah, I do object to that, but whatever) I try to be constructive in my arguments, but sometimes fail.
       
      Please accept my deepest sympathies for your illness. If you want to know my feelings about combat veterans, take the time to read my other posts. You’ll find that my (our) sentiments about this organization has nothing to do with negating the sacrifice that many Marines have paid. You seem like a smart man. In this case, consider refraining from dealing in black-and-white absolutism and consider the grey areas. Stamping an American flag or an eagle, globe and anchor on a young man’s uniform does not automatically make him virtuous. 
       
      In closing . . .I highly recommend you consider writing a book about “subversive” forums like this one, for your own sake. You’ll find that after you compare us to the KKK or the ACLU that your research can’t corroborate it. We’re dedicated Americans, just like you. The problem is not with us. The problem is with the enlisted Corps. The truth is, I would like to be proud of the Marine Corps again. That’s the truth. If I didn’t care, I wouldn’t take the time. I personally find it laughable that Marines are willing to conduct a charade for their friends and family just to look good. But people on this site know better.    
       
      Sgt, USMC 2003-2007, honorable discharge
      Iraq, 2005
       
               
       
             

    • okinawa inmate

      Mr Hall I cant say how the corps was for you but seeing as you served a tour in vietnam you must have great pride. Men like you are the reason I joined because I wanted to put myself in your shoes to see what you did so I can enjoy the freedom you bought me but instead I found a different truth and realization in joining. I have served under cowards and evil men. I use to be bitter about the fact I never got to do what I set out to do but I have accepted it. All I wanted to do was fight for my country, like men like you and my own grandfather, but instead what I found was appalling and it upsets me because now I will live the rest of my sane life knowing the truth about the corps. When you came home from vietnam you must have felt like you really accomplished something. When I go home I feel ashamed because of what the corps really is. Maybe its changed since you were in. I hear all the time that the corps changed in the 90’s. Either way I am embarrassed about my time in.

  • Bignate

    I stumbled across this drivel site due to a link i found elsewhere. It seems to me that there must be an inordinate amount of hate in someone’s soul to even think of forming a forum like this. I can only assume that most of you who claim to hate the Corps were either 1) unable to sign up or pass the muster in boot camp or 2) you were kicked out with a dishonorable due to your shit bird attitudes and/or ignorant thoughts about the corps. Anyone who would continue to post rantings on a site like this has more than simple hatred inside themselves.Somehow, they were hurt psychologically and this is the only means they have of trying to “pay back” that pain. But yet you don’t have the balls to do it by posting your own names and address’s, so you do it anonymously. Yup, you’re REAL men, aren’t you?
    See you not only insult the corps when you write your crap here but you insult the millions of Marines that have died in combat or served their country with honor and integrity before you were even born into this world. Marines who were doing what they thought best for their country whether you like it or believe it, or not. We Marines that served honorably have something that you will never have. We served and did our time with pride, even in the bad times, and that gives us peace in our hearts and a special security in our souls by knowing that we did something that was bigger than you and me and all the others. We didn’t always like it. At times life in the corps sucked.But we were smart enough to at least eventually realize that it wasn’t the fault of the corps. We volunteered for the duty and it was out ATTITUDE that caused us the discomfort. That’s something else most of you will never learn. If you want to continue wasting your lives with your petty little hatreds and wallowing in a cesspool like this, go for it. Most of you probably deserve being here anyway. As for me this will be my first and last visit. I’ve seen your kind of ignorance before and there is nothing that can be done about by trying to argue. All I can say is grow up. And please, DON’T bare any off spring.

    Semper Fi
    Big Nate
    Riverside, Ca.

    • Mranderson

      Wow, I almost stopped reading like 5 times, but I decided to finish it so I could reply.

      Due to the nature of your post, I have concluded that you are a moron. Go away.

    • crushedsoul

      “Big Nate” is not a name. “Riverside” is not an address. Take your own advice or choke on a dick, you cock-vacuum.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      You would be wrong my good sir. Passed west coast Boot Camp with ease, one tour in Afghanistan, and well on my way to an Honorable Discharge with 4.4, 4.4 pro/cons.  As I have said previously, I hate that I have to hide behind a screen name to do this, simply because it smacks of cowardice.  However, the corps doesn’t take kindly to it’s members using the freedom of speech it allegedly fights for, so until I can get that discharge I hide my name.

      But you are right about one thing, there is an inordinate amount of hate in my heart.  Strangely that hate wasn’t there before I enlisted…

      • Phinphan_2000

        Get out, go home, and quit taking the taxpayers money.

    • okinawa inmate

      well Bignate its funny what you wrote but heres the thing dude. I developed my hate for the corps when i learned the corps is not an actual being but a disorganization ran by individuals. All the men I have served under except one ssgt have been cowards and evil men. Im not gonna go into why I hate it bc its too long and im tryin to work on my hate. I sulk in hate to much do to the marine corps and my hate is hard on my marriage. The marine corps has made me mean and angry and I focus too much of my own thoughts on the inadequacies and crimes of the all mighty USMC. All I can say is one day I will write a book on the truth of what the corps really is bc of men like you. Also saying all this, even my own wife can tell anyone the truth and she lives over 6000 miles away from me.

  • Hooktue

    I was a lance cooly 85 91 wpns Co. 2/7 I never volunteered for shit “out of site out of mind”  but I knew what I was getting into . My father was 1st mar div in Korea he explained fully that if you ain’t staff or above you are merely cannon fodder bullet catcher that doesn’t amount to a 6 ft pile of shit , man was he right . 
    One Saturday corporal of the guard came through our barracks looking for volunteers to trim some shrubs at the btn chapel 63 area san matao , WTF !!!! REALLY !!!! I cut every fukin tree shrub and plant I could find down to the fukin roots !!!!! Officer of the day flipped ,I merely said Lcpl did the best he can do sir and no one clearafied to the exact measure of trimming that was needed.
    He got his ass chewed for not providing me with competent supervision hahahahaha!!

    You need to know how to play the game find the angles that benefit you , stay away from the ass kissing brown noses at all cost and find ways to fuk them up with out getting caught. I made a career out doing this , hence my for years were actually fun.  

    coupon Cpl pembrook you boot ass bitch you out there , ( I injected habenero pepper juice into his crest tooth paste tube he knew did it but could not prove it .

    • TomRiddel

      I know all about the game. I think it is bullshit that there has to be a game to play in the first place. Things can be changed to make the USMC run more efficiently, “the game” is one of them.

      • Hooktue

        Agreed but until then its the only way to survive E-4 and below.

  • Bob

    Thomas asked: Am I romanticizing what the corps can do for me?

    I joined the Corps to get away from a bad environment… family and the mean streets of Chicago. I actually liked boot camp, ITR, BITS, etc.I learned a lot, and it snapped me out of my shit attitude. I did two tours in Vietnam, finished six years in the Corps, and moved over into the Navy, finishing 30 years of service. There were times when I hated the Corps, and times when I loved it. It’s not a life for everyone, but then, neither is civilian life. I’m not sorry I joined, and I would probably do it all over again, if I was young. The good outweighed the bad, and the discipline the Corps instilled in me probably saved my life… I was boozing heavy when I joined, and a ‘friendly’ Master Guns ‘encouraged’ me to sober up… really did save my ass. I figure that the Marines on this list EARNED THE RIGHT to bitch, same as they EARNED THE TITLE. Maybe some day they will look back on their time in the Corps with a more positive attitude, maybe not, but to all of you, Hooyah!

    • Dusty

      I am not a big fan of the marines due to having to deal with a lot of people who were in charge not doing the right thing. When I say not doing the right thing, I mean breaking the laws and regulations that the Military has set in place to protect everyone.  
      From what I understand most of the people who participate on this site have experienced the same thing.  It has nothing to do with the marines being hard.

      but good post man, I appreciate your input and thank you for providing it without being an asshole about it.

    • marlasingerismypoweranimal

      Bob, that was pretty damn good.  

  • Mj13802

    What a bunch of pussies you all are. I bet if we locked you all in a room together there would be a whole lotta suckin going on.

    • RD34288

      Why is it u infer one has to b gay to complain.  When I was active duty there were many a “GAY” marine who saved the life of his “STR8″ fellow marine.  Such inferences is not only inappropriate but also uncalled for.

  • George

    Too bad they could make a man out of you!  I guess the marines even have their 1%. Just like the 1% in these stupid protests.

    • okinawa inmate

      yea theres that 1% in the corps that are actually good men. The other 99% are cowards and thievs. I cant wait for the day the corps ceases to exist

  • BarettByrd

    Yeah, I remember Drugs like you. In the Corps, like real life, you get out of it in proportion to what you put in. If you showed up spoiled and expecting to have things given to you then you probably left (early) sadly disappointed and pissed off. News flash! YOU were responsible for your time in the Corps, no one else. Life is the same way. Take responsibility for yourself and stop making excuses and placing the blame on your environment.

    • KFleetMarineLife

      Actually, I wasn’t responsible for whatever I did. Only when I did something wrong was I responsible. Whenever I would get something right, a SNCO would swoop in out of nowhere and take all the credit. That same SNCO would give all the cool billets out to his favorites (aka drinking and fuck buddies). This is why I stopped going 110%.

      • okinawa inmate

        oh hey man i fuckin love your site..fleet marine life kicks ass..i hope you dont mind but i like to post your links on my fb bc well youre so totally awesome..like for cereal..

        • KFleetMarineLife

          Thanks. Hilarity poorly drawn. Want to write an article or rant for my website?

          lk@fleetmarinelife.com

  • Usmc

    I love the Marines, thanks for all that you have done to keep this country safe!!!

  • Syrtyr

    Who the HELL is this ATTACKING MY BELOVED CORPS!!!!!!! Stop being a coward and be an OATH KEEPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OR didn’t your mommy and daddy teach anything about HONOR? Or PRIDE?? No they didn’t!!!! THE MARINE CORPS DID you disgusting piece of whale turd you!!!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I AM KEEPING MY OATH!!! I once solemnly swore that I would support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic.  The Marine Corps is the enemy now, and I will defend the United States against it by whatever means I have at my disposal.  Pride cometh before a fall, and the Marine Corps has been Proud for far too long.

      • BarettByrd

        DRUT

        • Poopstick

          You can four-letter words backwards.  AMAZING.

    • Thedude

      gotta love that part about freedom of speech in the constitution… have you even read the constitution?

    • know_some

      they call them jarhead because the jar is empty

    • okinawa inmate

      ahahahaahaha no my mommy and daddy taught me integrity, compassion, understanding and being slow to anger. You SNCO’s are teaching low morals and showing commitment to yourselves and no others. The corps to you is not about serving your country but how your subordinates can serve you. Think about it. How many of your junior marines have you stepped on to further your career or fried over something so silly? I joined the corps bc i thought they would teach me the things you so falsely believe but instead I will be leaving with a completly new view on life. Shit will always be black and grey in my world bc i will always seek the thruth of anything i encounter. Why dont you get off your computer mr. SNCO and actually go serve your country instead of sitting at your desk drinkin a monster. Are you afraid america will see the kind of sloth you are? how many men have you killed for your country? Better yet how many lives have you saved? Or do you just sit at a desk basking in the thought that you own your own personal slaves? Time for some did you know…

      Did you know:
      Your rank doesnt make you smarter than everyone in the world?
      Your rank acually doesnt make you the best fighter in the world?
      Your Lcpl’s could probably beat your ass?
      Your pft, cft, shooting score, ribbens, LOA’s and medels wont mean shit to the civilian world?
      Your DD214 will be all that matters?
      That in the real world if you scream at someone as if they are a mentally challenged child that you will probably be stomped?

    • someguy!!!!

      motivator i am guessing you are a recruiter???

  • Mkcattle@hotmail.com

    I dont hate.! I Got hurt in AFG as a reservist. Sent me home, haven’t been back since. Still on reserve contract. What to do?it’s been over a year… I don’t want to get in trouble but I can’t return for medical purposes… I just want to be able to take this transfer and move and not worry about this… . I want my honorable discharge and to continue my life.

  • mr hit that hoe

    I plan on doing 20 years I love the corps I had the pleasure of being in a good unit where troops were taken care so I know the corps has some good but I feel and understand the stupidity. You guys feel what I learned as I picked up encore and now I’m a sgt is that we are taught to be leaders but criticises for doing exactly that so in this orginazation its one of those you or me type situations because no one gets promoted by telling there superiors something they don’t wanna hear so in the end its natural for your leaders to abandon you and what piss me off is when I was cpl. My leaders thought I was incompetent. Because I didn’t abide by a lot of traditions like pointless screaming or parade rest you don’t need to put a troop at parade rest to tell him to do something but now my pfcs. From back then who are cpls now and are preety much tools tell me I’m a shitbag because I’m not like them even though they were crying on my shoulder when they were troops lol and p.s. who ever runs thawebsitemarine website is fucking awesome. Keep up there very good work

    • guest

      i wish you were my nco

    • Asdf

      If you are going to stay in for 20 years, try to make a difference with your beliefs,  try to move the USMC into the future

  • PlanToGETSHITon

    Every fucking day I try to find a reason to re-enlist and there is none.  I was told that it would change once I picked up, and things would get better, it didn’t.  Now I’m 8 months away from EAS and still can’t find a reason to re-enlist.  The stupid butt-fucking garrison bullshit games that POG-ass SNCO’s play, the doubletapped duty rosters which strangely lack the names of the office clerks, the safety stand downs that tell you what drugs are undetectable and where to buy them as well as how to not get caught, Blues inspection every other week and the ball is 10 months away, being broke as fuck unless you’re married, alcohol solves many of your problems, alcohol causes many of the problems, someone beating the living bejeezus out of their wife/girlfriend in a locked double concrete-sealed bunker is YOUR fault, your SNCO finishes inspecting your immaculate room and then magically finds a half speck of lint probably from his cammies but it’s in your room so he will be back in an hour while you re-field day, all-hands formation to move five (5) folding paraty tables, pro’s and con’s are “what I like about this guy” and “what I don’t like about this guy” marks instead of proficiency and conduct marks, waking up at an hour that shouldn’t exist to run for an hour and a half in short chopped steps while constantly circling up the stragglers like lost cattle every 50 feet, planning to see your family and friends for the holidays or 96 only to get slapped with duty when you know that the ass clowns in the head shed don’t have duty or a life outside the barracks, the only half-decent females that you see are spouses or dependents that are not yet of age, shitty roommates you have to live with that try and steal your shit especially CIF, wanna-be alpha males whose voices rise in decibels with the amount of paint on the collar of those who surround them, if you don’t correct someone like a douchebag you’re not correcting them correctly… it goes on and on really.  And it really sucks to say that I can’t find a reason at all to re-enlist. 
    We all joined up and knew we were putting ourselves in harms way to accomplish something greater and serve our country but instead it feels more like serving time and some tiny-pricked SSgt’s beckoned call.  If Call of Duty had 26 field day levels before you got to play 1 two-minute level of carrying your rifle and shooting 1 round in the air, it would probably be more realistic and sell less. ‘Nuff said.
    But to be honest, I’m proud of some of the things I’ve done and the opportunities to do it -but if my family and friends knew about the stupid shit we do in garrison on the daily they would bitch-slap the shit out of me right after disowning me.
    I get my 100 points in everything minus a 22:30-ish run, shoot expert, completed all req’d PME and have some off-duty education, SQ 2, working on secret clearance to fill a staff billet, stay behind extra hours to make sure gear and briefs are prepared for the next day/mission with my Marines, and still do the counseling/mentoring BS and it’s like “hey, you’re an asset -but I’m gonna keep shitting on you because we need to see how far we can ride this out.  While Cpl Sand-in-his-fat-ass gets to skate because he yells at the juniors all the time and has them at parade rest 24/7.” —Why the fuck would anyone want to stay and re-enlist? 
    Is this some kind of reverse psychology selling point? Like, “I’m gonna rape you ’till you love me.”? 
    The only ones that I see scrambling for re-enlistment papers are brown-nosers who could be poster-boys for a health magazine but suck completely at their jobs and are ineffective at leading people because they’ve never really done their job because they were too busy doing brown-noser things and getting a proper tan, OR the fat Marine, who married a fat girl, and had fat babies.
    There’s so many perks to getting out vs the shittyness of staying in and I don’t know why most of the SNCO’s say that there are so many benefits of staying in, when there are 0 benefits.
    When I EAS, I plan on going to SFSU and get my degree for Physical Therapy.  Maybe I’ll work DoD side and help fix some broken buddies, maybe I’ll come back officer-side (doubt it though).
    My dad served fighting the vietnamese and I joined with to kick haji around.  I’ll probably be utilizing the awesome powers of VEERP to help speed my way on to bigger and better things, but there’s a tiny part that wishes I had a reason to re-enlist.
    Again, there are zero reasons.  I think in all honesty if you aren’t married and/or have kids, OR this isn’t the only job you are smart enough to do, and you re-enlist… YOU’VE HAD AN EASY FUCKING SKATE TERM and hardly ever got shafted. THE END.

    • Argofthig

      What leads to a better life? Reenlistment? Or Civilian life? Think of both the good and bad of bothc

      • EightyNiner

        @Argofthig Are you drunk? @PlanToGETSHITon Awesome

    • KFleetMarineLife

      “I’m gonna rape you till you love me.”

      Hahaha!!! That’s exactly how the USMC works!!!

    • okinawa inmate

      where are you?? bc you need an awesome blow job!!! great great..i mean fucking wow..you my good friend said it perfect..its like you were in my head jotting down everything i was thinkin..i mean honestly i should sue bc you plagiarized my exact words lmao..the only 2 things the marine corps has ever done for me is, the GI bill, which you get in any other branch and the 2nd is the fact that when i get out, my freedom will be sweeter than anyone else. My food will taste better, the air will be more fresh, days will be brighter. I will see sunshine in rain and beauty in dirt. i literally have experienced everything you said.. i love the part how we all joined to accomplish something and serve our country and this is what we really did. This is what they did to us. I just wanted to be apart of something bigger than myself and re pay the men that have died before me and look at what it really is. I think this is why people become so motarded bc they are in denial. They cant handle the fact that the corps is a piece of shit and all the truth there really is. We “demotivateres” are just the guys that woke up, saw the truth and accepted it, and thats how it made us they way we are. We aint shitbags; just guys that are unhappy with the truth. This disorganization is a big fucking joke. I hope Sgt 1560 is reading this. That pussy was a pfc while i was a lance and now hes a Sgt. Im sure you can guess why i call that faggot Sgt 1560..it should be obvious..and oh boy i cant wait to get my soul and freedom back. Me and my wife will move so far away and put this shit behind us. I will finally become somebody to the world, not just a number with a broom

  • KINGHENRY

    Wow… I had no idea websites like this existed.  THANK YOU!

  • assfuckedbytheusmc

    u got a gunny with no fuckn chin and the iq of 3 year old FML

  • SemperFuckThisShit

    motherfuckin god damn marine corps

  • sSeMpErDiCkInYoUrAss

    Let me begin my epic story about how much I fucking hate the Marine Corps. It has fucked up my life, not just mentally but spiritually also. Working almost 12 hour shifts is bullshit. Annual training? Fuck that shit I swear watching all the afn commercials give you your annual training right there.
    Field day: What the fuck is the point of it? Lets fucks with marines till 12 at night and than only get 4 hours of sleep. My seargant major can go fuck himself with his motarded ass teardrop. 
    Liberty Buddy: What am I fucking 5? I’m pretty sure I dont need somebody to hold my hand to go off base. 
    Motards: The fucking idiots who dont realize this shit is a waste of your time. The only good thing about being in the marine corps is free college and a free gym. Motarded ass lance corporals in your shop who try to correct you on every little thing but you know in the back of your head one punch you would knock that motherfucker out.
    I think we should drop an atomic bomb on all the marine corps bases and say bye bye. 

  • BWSlayer

    what a bunch of whiny losers, dont come back hardass as I could stomp a mudpuddle in all yer faggot asses………………

    • marlasingerismypoweranimal

      You keep thinking that, tough guy. Work on your basic warrior stance.  Guys like you are so confused out of boot camp with that unnecessary level of aggression that you don’t know whether you want to kick the shit out of every man you see and fuck their girlfriends, or kick the shit out of every woman you see and fuck their boyfriends. It’s quite amusing, actually. You’re so manly, you’re gay. Kind of like Danzig.

      So ease off a bit on the machismo- it’s not going to help you in a fight OR the workplace. All it’s going to do is age you prematurely and make you look like a total douche- whoops, too late on that last part.  

    • KFleetMarineLife

      Why is it that everyone who comes to insult the people on this site is illiterate?

      • Luke

        Lol, that’s so true. It is also true that the longer you stay in this disorganization the stupider you become, hence the lack grammar and reasoning.
        Fak I bean in for 7 yers I need to git da fak out befor is to late! Lol!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Albert-Dailey/1645539954 Albert Dailey

    SCOTT OLSEN FOUNDED THIS WEBSITE

  • Usmc_guy2007

    I am a Sgt and currently going through a MED board! As it stands, I have 6 herinated disc and degenerated bone disease in my spine and both hips. About a month ago, I had my Company commander ask me what can we do to help you? I mention going to wounded warriors to get the proper treatment and take care of my family and set myself up for success in school. However, my Sgt Major heard what I had asked for , and turns around in the Head Quarters hall way dropping F Bombs left and right telling me that I dont F****** Rate it because my injury was not F****** combat related. Then just the other day SgtMaj came up to me to ask me how my wife is doing and how I was doing and how the our soon to be son etc!!!!! I told him that were doing good and I am ready to move on and take care of my family and work etc….! Then Sgt Maj pauses and looks at me while I am standing there with my cane and says…”HOW ARE YOU ARE GOING TO WORK”!!! WTF I am done! I have done 8 yrs and served in Fallugah when shit was the shit! I have bent over backwards for my fellow marines and for the Corps and this the fucking shit I deserve. FUCK THE MARINE CORPS!!! And Fuck those who come on here to trying to be so Fucking Motivated and have lossed half of their brain or Common sense while joining the Corps! You can be hard and think your the Biggest Baddest Mother Fucker in the Valley! But wait untill you get out and see how Big and Bad you are! The civilian world does not give a SHIT what you did in the Marine Corps! IT ABOUT FUCKING HAVING A BRAIN!!

  • dobson33

    so this has already been said a few dozen times, but i just want to reiterate that joining is something you will probably regret, strongly suggest you don’t.  I was the dipshit that signed a fucking 6 year contract, so im gonna be around for quite some time.  really wish i could do something else w/ 6 years of my life, but my dumbass signed that contract so now im stuck w/it for a while.  im not a shitbag, great pft shoot expert all that bs, was told this morning by my corporal i have potential to be a great marine but i just cant make myself give a flying fuck about the gratuitous amount of bullshit we do.  and most of the time they barely even pretend like we’re doing anything usefull, its just busy work and “bust rust at the ramp”.  fuck this place.

  • KFleetMarineLife

    Gangland – Basic Training

    The story of how gang members join the military to learn how to become better killers.

    “He killed a police officer and when I heard that he was a Marine, I was in shock! Marines don’t do that!” Eh….

    • ……………………

      this has opened my eyes so much.

  • Cwagner

    You ALL need help hating on the MARINE CORPS. This website a piece of malarkey! You all are haters of our country. Oops I mean my country. F…kin Traders. Plus, Scott’s a cocain head who cried about getting caught while in the Corps.
    @ the Sgt. with the cane that’s life some people are a-holes. It’s does not make the Marine out to be. Plus, your commanding officer asked what he can do to help you not your Sgt. Major. You got all but hurt over one insensitive marine. Oh, I’m sorry you want to join the baby corps. Then you should have gone to the army.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Very wrong my good sir, very wrong.  As I have said in a couple places on this wonderful site, while I was in Afghanistan I personally saw a letter, acknowledging that the money we were paying to afghani civilians in exchange for them doing assorted labor (filling sand bags for a couple hours a day etc) was later being taken from the civilians, by the Taliban, at gun point.  The BC (who wrote and signed this letter) continued on to say that no action would be taken because “under the current circumstances the Taliban in the area are remaining peaceful.”

      In short, the Marine Corps is funding the Taliban, it is effectively the legitimate face of a terrorist organization.  Everyone wants to complain about the tax payers dollars being wasted on paying those of us on this site, but that’s just because they’re not aware that more of their hard earned tax dollars are going to the enemy to prolong this war.  We on this site, are not traitors, the Marine Corps is the traitor.  We just try to help America see that before it’s too late.

      I know you (or some other motivator) will probably call me a liar for what I’ve said.  Frankly I don’t care.  I read the letter, then read it again to make sure I hadn’t misunderstood; I held it in my own two hands, and nothing you can say will change the truth of my statement.

      Safety and Peace

      • Eggman

        I don’t believe you you chicken shit yellow bastard.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          “Sticks and Stones” lad.  I don’t require you to believe me.  Frankly if I hadn’t seen it with my own 2 eyes I wouldn’t believe me.  But it’s the simple fact of the matter, I can’t un-see it and you can’t make it un-true.

          And now that you know the truth (whether or not you choose to believe it) every time something happens when you just look at the Marine Corps and think “WTF”, stop and think about what I saw and ask yourself “Am I really even all that surprised that the Corps would do something like that?”  

          “Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad.”  ~ Aldous Huxley
          I learned the truth, and it nearly drove me insane.

          Safety and Peace

          • okinawa inmate

            Hey man I’ve never deployed but I believe you..I wouldn’t put that shit past the marine corps..People look at the corps as one actual being, all glorious and unwavering but the truth of the matter is the corps is run by nothin but individuals, mostly cowards and thieves, and they will do whatever they want. I 100% trust you on this. I mean shit I can back it up with a little knowledge to make people open their eyes. For instance notice how we have all the gear, tools, equipment, and man power in the world to work yet instead of using our own tools and man power, we put our man power to mopping puddles outside, stripping floors with sponges and other tedious ridiculous work, so then we hire outside contractors to do the work we are capable of doing but don’t do bc we waste our time cleaning. Tell me how that is using the taxpayers money right!! We could save the money we waste on contractors, and use our own marines to work, but instead they have us all ( the workers ) cleaning instead of learning real trades so we waste money on contractors. An example, I am an HE mech and instead of working on our own gear when a major problem happens, we hire outside contractors to work on it. Why not let us work on it, save money and learn a trade? Everyone wins that way. Ninja_Punch my friend, you are wise and I back you up. Lifers are in denial about ” their ” beloved corps..lmao poor bastards

    • Usmc_guy2007

      GO FUCK YOUR SEL!!! I joined the Marine Corps to be server my country! I am not a cry baby, I don’t know how many bullets and body bags you have carried and have to smell blood on a constant daily basis ! I have been diagnosed with PTSD and you come on here to tell me that I am big FUCKING cry baby???? I am giving my opinion and by the way SGTMAJ asked me first what he can do to help me etc…! If you know what the Wounded Warrior statement was then you would not be against what I stated! CRY BABY??? I’ve done more than you will ever do in your life time an seen things that you would never what to see! SEMPER FI MOTHER FUCKER!!!!!

  • Steve Hampton
  • ……………………

    What all happens at SOI?
    I heard they show videos of Marines brutally killing…

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      SOI is divided into two sections: ITB (Infantry Training Battalion, commonly known as SOI)  for the infantry, and MCT (Marine Combat Training) for everyone else.

      As a combat engineer, I went to MCT.  It was basically a month of hiking and weapons training.  Because the primary purpose of SOI is the training of new Marines to use the available weapons to kill the enemy, the taking of life was glorified.  I’ve attached links to commonly used “Attention getters” shown before classes on assorted weapons systems.  But as far as actually seeing the act of one man taking another’s life, that was never shown to me, and I doubt that’s changed.

      The first month of ITB is very similar to MCT, then for the next two months the marines divide up and receive additional training in their specific MOS (Job) It’s basically more of the same, but more specific.

      (If you don’t want to see dead bodies then don’t watch this second one)

      Safety and Peace

      • ……………………

        i accidentally clicked on the wrong one and saw the bodies and quickly exited it out:/
        but thanks for the warning and the info!

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Anytime! I enjoy being able to pass along actual information as opposed to recruiter propaganda.  Keep the questions coming.

    • fuck usmc

      At soi you get Fucked with (but thats everywhere in the corps), hike, learn about weapons and basic infantry tactics. You will get weekend libo sometimes, more if you have a more lax company. It’s not too bad. They won’t show videos of anybody dieing, but I’m assuming you’re a marine, so you should probably get used to it

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        Actually, if I’m not mistaken, her boyfriend (or possibly ex-boyfriend at this point) went off to boot camp recently, and she’s been asking us questions about the Corps ever since.  Do I have that right?

        • ……………………

          you have that very correct:] thank you for remembering:]

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Of course, so am I correct in saying your ex-boyfriend?

          • ……………………

            no we still are together he hasnt finished bootcamp yet,
            He will be back home on the 18th of this month though,

            In his letters (i got one today too) he’s still saying he wants out and has been saying so
            since the begining,  so hopefully he still feels the same in after the
            12 days from now,

            if thats so what do you think is the best way out?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            It pains me to say it, but unfortunately at this point, the best way out is through.  Anybody on this site correct me if I’m mistaken, but unless he can somehow get a medical discharge, the best way out is 3 years and 9 months away… If he drug pops, or goes UA or any of those things and doesn’t get an honorable discharge then he loses any possible benefits when he gets out, and it doesn’t look very promising on a job application.

            When he gets finishes the crucible, all of the people who were assholes to him before are suddenly going to be very nice.  When he gets home make sure he understands that THAT WILL NOT LAST!  That is a perfect piece of Marine Corps Propaganda, “send him home after we’ve been nice to him for a week, and then he’ll say all sorts of nice things about us and get his friends to join!  Then we can treat him like the piece of shit he is again!”

            If you can keep the brainwashing at bay, (Show him this site, show him my comic “Cause and Effect” on FleetMarineLife.com and have him read the blog post with it, etc.)  And if he’s still the guy you were with before he left, depending on your situation, I might recommend marrying him. That will get him roughly an extra $1800 a month, and as a military dependent you will have access to his healthcare benefits etc.  If he has to do this for 4 years, the two of you may as well milk the Corps for all it’s worth.

            One question, which coast is he on?

          • ……………………

            i’ve been researching about going ua, getting a good attorney for an OTH discharge.
            but idk,,

            yeah, im deffinately showing him this site as soon as he gets home,

            i  know ima sound stupid but i dont get your question, like what platoon is he?what do you mean?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            I mean Parris Island or San Diego?

          • ……………………

            Oh!  San Diego,

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            So that makes him Golf Company… I’ll watch him become a Marine on Thursday… For what it’s worth I’ll say a prayer for the 2 of you during the ceremony.

          • ……………………

            so your gonna be there too?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            I work in the Recruit training areas, by the time they reach me it’s too late to save them, so I try to prepare them for their next 4 years as best I can.

            I’ll be watching the ceremony like I do every Thursday, when recruits finish the Crucible.  It helps remind me of why I try to help people on this site.  To save people from this fate.

          • ……………………

            you really think theres nothing you can do to get out out of this mess?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            The only thing I can think of is if he were to refuse to train during the Crucible, I know of a recruit a few weeks ago who did that, and found himself being processed out… I’m not sure if you could get him a letter in time though.  Once he makes it through the Crucible and gets to graduation it’s pretty much set in stone, the best way out is through.  I’m sorry.  Truly I am.  But like I said, marry him (If at all feasible) and make it financially worth your while.

            If he would have discussed his decision with you before he joined you could have shown him this and stopped him.  But now I’m nearly certain it’s too late.  He either needs an honorable discharge, or a medical discharge.  I’m really sorry.

          • ……………………

            :/ this bums me out so much:/
            i had a lil hope for something……….anything,

            i really appreciate all your info it means the world to me, it truly does.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            One thing I will also recommend, tell him to keep a journal.  Have him write something in it at least every day he works.  It doesn’t really matter what he writes or how much, in the corps the material will present itself.  Then when it comes time for him to consider reenlisting, have him go through and read what he has written.  If it sounds like a script to a horror movie then it’s a sign that he should never even consider reenlisting.  I know so many people who had one good day and put in their reenlistment papers, and then had one more good day and signed them.  And then realized what they had done 30 seconds later and hated themselves for the next 4 years.  Don’t allow him to let 2 days of fucked-up motivation ruin 4 more years of your lives.

            As far as the info, no problem, my life exists to stop people from repeating my mistake.

            Safety and Peace be upon you both

          • KFleetMarineLife

            Before I got out of the Corps, I opened up a brand new mini green log book and started writing about why I wasn’t going to re-enlist. In fact, I filled over 75% of it. I could have filled the whole book but instead decided to make a website.

          • KINGHENRY

            dude we know about your fucking website already

          • KFleetMarineLife

            KingHenry, I was just replying to Ninja Punch that I’ve actually taken up his idea to write an EAS journal a long time ago. I had so much to write that I felt as if I wasn’t alone in this situation. I know people know about my website. Don’t get mad :-)

            squeeeze

          • Guest

            Don’t get married for the money. That is stupid.

          • ……………………

            and thanks, the prayer means alot,

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Of course.

          • Eklypce

            I work in legal. He can do whatever he wants to for the first 120 days of his enlistment: drugs, arrested, telling his superiors to fuck off, etc. He will get an uncharacterized discharge which is the same as a general under honorable conditions. He won’t get the benefits from serving. But he won’t be negatively affected for it.

          • ……………………

            so then he can refuse to learn anything at soi and hell get discharged?

          • fuck usmc

            If he really wants to get out and he’s still in boot camp I think he can tell his DI’s he quits. Not to say that its going to be an easy or fun process and he’ll probably end up being held there for a while, like 6-12 months extra, but I thinks its possible. My DI’s told us at the end of boot camp if we really wanted to we could have quit at anytime and gotten out for “failure to adapt”. It might have been bullshit, I don’t know for sure because they lie a lot, but if he really wants to get out that bad he can try it. And tell him if he does it, follow through because he’s going to get fucked with a lot and called a pussy and traitor, and he’ll start regretting it and want to give in, but tell him to hold out because the 3 years 9 months after boot camp is worse than all that. And again, I don’t know if its true at all so proceed with caution.

        • Thedude

          I wasnt going to reply to the bottom post because it got squeezed to the point of being absurd lol but that’ll make a good comic on FML my friend reenlisted because all his sncos sweet talked him when it came time for him to re up now he’s riding another 4 and hates his life (they aint sweet talking him now) I dont care who says what to me, I remember each and every shitty day. 

  • Free man

    It has been said the marines is not for everyone it’s true for those who like to think for themselves the marines is not for you. If you like an uneducated asshole yelling at you telling you to do things a normal thinking human would think makes no sence the marines is just for you. Everyone on this site has earned the right to bitch so to all the motivators who come to this site all i can say is stop the trolling its really sad. Just so it’s known I don’t fucking care about grammar.

    • Lawoke511

      complaing about the uneducated and then not caring about grammar or spelling makes no “sence”  ?

  • Terminal Gunny

    The Marine Corps is run by general officers that are politicians vying for a spot with an upcoming presidential administration.  They are completely out of touch with what is really occurring in the Marine Corps and do not care one bit about the marines under their charge.  It is truly sad to say this but it has become a big joke and each general officer is just there to make a name for himself and not take care of marines at all.  They talk the talk but cannot walk the walk.  2 years to retirement!

  • Racenlaxer88

    i hate the unlawful searches i.e. health and comfort. the double jeopardy of getting arrested out in town. only to be released and charged with the same crime on base. by the way that hasn’t happened to me. im just saying i don’t remember waving my constitutional rights when i signed the contract. now im facing an out of bounds njp for helping a friend who was a little to drunk one weekend. will the bullshit ever cease. it just seems that anyone with more rank than you can do what they want and you basically have to bend over and take it or suffer the consequences. 

    • Dancingcow11

      Actually the health and comfort is a command authorized search and seizure (CASS) wich is signed off by your CO. Abd as for your out of bounds NJP that situation sucks. I had a buddy just recently get NJP’d for the same thing. Good initiative bad judgment or bad initiative good judgement. You never win.

      • KINGHENRY

        I think what he was talking about were the illegal searches.. You know, the ones where the CO doesnt sign anything but SCNOS go through your stuff anyways.

    • Dancingcow11

      Well you can always ask to see the signed order before they go in your room. SNCO’s usually don’t go through without a CASS, and if they have a problem with you asking to see the order just request mast.

      • OneArmedBoxer

        It seems the unit/s you were in followed the rules. I wish I could have had the same experience. 

  • KFleetMarineLife

    Scott Olsen (Marine) gets shot in the head for standing in place.

  • SomeGuy!!!!!!!!!!!

    I always thought the Marine Corp was about Brotherhood until I realized then when I got caught for underage drinking. I had a few beers with another Marine who i just met when he got sick i helped him out , and got him back to his room, when duty realized i was underage. SgtMaj. tried to go Drill Instructor (obviously because he didn’t put out when he was a D.I.) and interrogate us asking who got the beer. I didn’t say anything, but the marine who got sick spilled everything. Not  only am I getting an NJP, I got ratted out by some bitch. Then I realized how much of a buddy fucker the Marine Corp is( at least nowadays) I understand I fucked up, but no Marine should snitch on another Marine. I hate hearing how the Marine Corp was back then. It is funny how we apparently fight for freedom, but don’t have any ourselves. I don’t Hate the Marine Corp I hate the fact that any little prick who has a little rank will use it, the fact that in the real world if some guy or girl was older than you and told you hey you are fucked up or don’t do that you can say FUCK YOU. I realized that alot of people who spend there entire time in the Corp will have a reality check when they get out. 

  • poglife

    My problem with the marine corps is that well let’s face it its a completely dead end job. After 9 years of being in my only real skill is that I can make an awesome.secretary somewhere. My mos 0651 data communications is basicly a joke. We are suppose to be network engineers but nmci has rendered us obsolete. Even in over in Afghanistan and Iraq there are civilians doing our job and we are just cable monkeys. It’s a shame that an entire field is pretty much useless. Yeah there is training we can go to but there is a certain amount of cock that you have to suck in order to go. To make it worse is that no one up high seems to care that comm marines don’t know what they are doing. Our country is in greater danger because people.in my field just simply do not know what they are doing but that’s ok because we get hair cuts every week….. there just seems to be misteps in logic and priorities everywhere you look

  • wayne gretzgky

    To the Dirtbag that invented the no beenies on all these cold runs EAT SHITTTT!!!!!!   Im cold and I should have the option to wear a hat if i want to.

  • More intelligent then you

    Oh my dear children allow me to clear some things up for. I apologize that when you joined the Marine Corp you must have thought that you would be kicking down doors and shooting bad guys. You probably even thought that you would somehow be transformed into a badass by going through bootcamp. You say that it is filled with fuck up and dumb asses. Have you ever stopped and thought that the reason you are treated like dumb asses and children is because you act like so. I imagine that most of you joined the Marines when you were 17 or 18 and didn’t realize what you were getting your self into. I describe it like this, if you aren’t a bitch and don’t show weakness when someone fucks with you, they will stop fucking were you. Or here is a better idea, fuck with their mind too, play on their intelligence if they are so dumb. The Marine Corp is like prison, some people belong there and others dont. The latter gets fucked in the ass, deal with it.

    • Guest

      Maybe your recruiters should clear these false understanding up then… Instead of lying

      • Kills because I’m told to

        Honestly the recruiters are there to get you to sign the papers. Any intelligent person should know that what they say is at best a stretched truth and probably lying. But instead of allowing other people to instill a certain image of something for you, do a little bit research. In this day in age, with everything that goes in nowadays I find it hard to believe anything anyone tells me. The best course of action is to find factual information on the subject and come up with your own determination on it. Yes the Marine Corp sucks and it’s filled with idiots but the question I must ask everyone here is, do you just want to quit or stick with it to some day where you are in a leadership role and prove to the men you lead that not every in the Corp is a jackass.

        • Guest

          Quit.  Any “intelligent” person would not allow themselves to be held back in life by the USMC. There is nothing further to argue. This is a fact. 

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      First of all, thank you for taking the time to come up with an intelligent statement rather than just hurling insults like so many do.  That being said, it has been my experience that (as a rule) an individual’s response to being fucked with has little affect on whether or not it continues.

  • Fuckit

    I hate boots who come to my unit thinking that it’s gonna be just like call of duty and it’s not. NO SHIT. That cool shit never happens and if it did I don’t think this website would exist because everyone would be lovin it killin bad guys, snoopin and poopin doin BAD ASS shit. Instead they should make a call of duty game called call to contract. Where you do nothing and get constantly bitched at. Oh and for online it’s not who gets the most kills it’s whoever picked up the most ciggarette butts or sucked the cock without choking. That’d be more realistic. I mean I knew that before I joined it’d be nothing like call of duty and it’s probly gonna suck dick. But it’s a job. But I always see these kids act like “oh boy I’m gonna be such a bad ass just like call of duty yeah!!”. WRONG.

  • KFleetMarineLife

    Marine Corps Rule One: “If you wanna keep the dick out of your ass, put it in your mouth.”

    • SemperFucked

      Perfectly put

  • 123

    Who’s a cunt.

  • 7212gunner

    Did I get abused? Sure. Fucked with? All the time. Did I have personal vendettas played against me that cost me promotion? Absolutely. What did I do? I took my ass to Okinawa and raised hell. I ran shit my way and do you know what they did? They made my ass a Corporal. Corporal bad attitude started a going away fight with his old unit in Yuma as a message to those that didn’t care for me. My platoon pounded these clowns. You want something to do with your shit attitudes, kids? Put that shit to work. I did. Working party? You meet fuckers and find things out, so use that to your advantage. The Marine Corps is hard. It fucking should be. What you make of the shit will speak to your character, and if this scrawny little double rat could walk the earth like the bad motherfucker I became, there is no reason why you little fucks can’t do the same.

    Stinger Up, bitches.

    • GoogleMyTwitter

      Thanks for coming here and making an ass of your self.  You are proving the point that this website is making.  Thank you, we will use you as an example.

      • 7212gunner

        Well, if you cunts feel better about how sorry a Marine you’re letting yourself be, I won’t stop you. I was there, ass. I did some shit I don’t really feel like talking about to look crazy so fuckers would leave me alone. It worked for a good six months and I WAS on the shitbird express to Terminal Lance Corporal until one of the few good NCOs I was fortunate enough to be around pulled me off that sad train. I’ll use you as an example too, I suppose, an example of someone that had a chance to be more and decided to be shit like all the other bitches that squat here. Feel free to post this to your buddies and laugh, I might get through to one of them in the process.

        • GoogleMyTwitter

          Keep going, your doing great!
          Besides that, U mad Bro? You took the time to leave your two cents on the internet, twice. Obviously someone is angry and thought that he would “teach us a lesson” by posting here. You sir, are pathetic.

          • 7212gunner

            You’re funny… you’re gonna try the strawman and declare that you made me mad so you win? What if I ain’t mad? You posted twice too, and I at least have the salty sack to walk into to a place where I KNOW my opinion is going to be denigrated and treated like all kinds of shit and state my fuckin’ piece, so if any of you guys think you’re tough because you can sit and bitch in a shitbird sandwich, you might do well re-evaluating your definition of pathetic.

  • 7212gunner

    Oh, and Happy Birthday and Veteran’s day to all you little twatwaffles. May your DD-214s read “Honorable.”

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      I am the creator of this website.  My DD-214 read’s Honorable and I am also an Iraq vet…

      And now for my my question. I am curious, what do you hope to accomplish by posting non-sense? Because obviously you are not going to accomplish much by making yourself look like a fool.

      If you want to make a point, please do so respectfully.
      Semper Custodientes

      • 7212gunner

        I could just as easily ask you the same question, man. What do you hope to accomplish by cheapening your service? Do you think you did anything to be proud of? I do. Ah fuck, go ahead and censor me in the name of “unfiltered truth” or whatever that said on google if you like. I’m offering another view, that of a guy that yelled out “creamed corn!” during PT, got in trouble for flying a bullshit flag on a humvee, and still found it in himself to be a credit to the MARINES he served with because he found those crazy kids to be more important than rank, motivation, unit politics, or any of that other crap. Fools? They’re everywhere. They wear ranks ranging from private to general and nothing is mutually exclusive. You make what you make of shit in this life, be it in the Marines or anything else you might decide to do one day. Maybe I’m being a little gruff and maybe you’re being disrespectful to who you are and where you’ve been, but that will be for the reader to decide. Glad I got your attention.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          You have asked some very good questions, and no, you will not get censored. That is not what we are about here.  What do I hope to accomplish? I believe no one should ever be recruited into a lie. If someone is thinking about joining the Marines, they should know exactly what they are getting themselves into. We will tell them what it REALLY is like, no sugar coating, no exaggerating. Also, the main reason, this is a place for people to bitch about something without getting in trouble. Nothing wrong with that dude.

          Thank you for sharing your opinion.

          • 7212gunner

            That’s supposed to be a reply to your last. Fuckin’ Marines never know where to click.

        • 7212gunner

          Maybe I’m just sharing the light at the end of my tunnel, Devil Nuts. (I figure I can use the term in the name of all that is demotivated?) Units can suck. No arguing that, I’ve been there, I’ve seen it. There are also people that I have seen that were better than I thought could possibly exist. Throw-backs to the old school fuckers that really impressed me in my youth. I figure these guys are worth talking about, too.

  • 7212gunner

    Any of you got a BOHICA t-shirt? That’s really why I’m here. I’ve been looking for one for years and have never been able to find one…

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      I can make one and put it on anti usmc wear

      • 7212gunner

        Its funniest in green with black letters so some asshole can wear it with cammies.

  • freisty

    people should be able to write how much they hate the marine corps if they ever so wish, why do you care!!!? lol the marine corps does suck..are you seriously that dumb and stupid. you dont get it! wake the f up and smell the coffee brainwashed.

  • freisty

  • freisty

    what ever happened to scott olsons? Some motivated warrior wanted to take it down? oh i see..screw me right..screw me instead of you, NAH!

  • freisty

    After being out of the “corps” for over a year i still must say, i still hate and always will hate the USMC for what it has done to and for m- nothing. I dedicated 4 years to this bullsh*t that i have been imprisoned in. Going through the marine corps has been over the top rough as far asa sense of belonging and acceptance. I have felt like a completel reject and outcast the entire way through. There is no family in the marine corps or “brotherhood” bond. Every man for himself, there’s no team work there. People make it through the marine corps and fleet only because we have to its our only survival is makign it, nothing great. If you want to be gossiped about and puth through highschool all over again, be around odd characters, be sexually harassed, be publicly humiliated,physically assaulted and talked down to for 4 years straight this is it. I dont reccommend this for anyone. It has been nothi ng but unfreindly environment. Not many take a liking to this bullsh-t. I have been humiliated so so so so so many times i cant remember all the times. One time i got yelled at by some fag ssgt in the chowhall (in front of the whole chowhall) and this is just one small incident of many…do you know what this does to a persons self worth. No wonder nobody lieks any of you  just look at yourself. Didnt you know that human respect is above everything else? If you treat people like slaves that will lead to mental problems, drinking/drugs and worse. You will find that you and your spouse arent getting along because this is what this system does to people! lol it is way too hard to sit here and talk about how seriously f-d up this palce is….if you think otherwise good for you for beleiving all that was told to you the entire way through u might be a lifer or motivation for retardedness

  • freisty

    i stole this from scott olsons i hate the marine corps site, somebody else wrote this i might add somebody asked him So what did you do the whole time in your marine corps 4 year enlistment? he responded “i slavishly obeyed the commands of a baboon”..LOL i couldnt help but post this! haha! baboons are dumbA$$es!

  • freisty

    Muscles Arent Required Intelligence Never Expected either.

  • Donjuanho

    Fuck A-Duty
    I should be drinking right now!

    • GoogleMyTwitter

      Marines wear blue pants… LOL

  • Donjuanho

    Why in the fuck would they try and make me shoot at the range and do a swim qual? I’m getting the fuck out. The BTN says they broke but they want to waste money and resources for nothing? Fuckin stupid ass brainwashed marines man, I think they could use a little pot!

  • Foxtrot Tango November

    Classic MacGruber!

  • FedUp

    My USMC experience left me fucked up my head royally, and in more ways than one! The Marine Corps is like a microcosm of the US at large; In other words, it is a racial and multi-cultural distopic nightmare. The core, just like the US, is loaded with narcissists, gang-banger thugs, perverts and wierdos, and many mentally-unstable people in general. The humiliation by others can really wreck your spirit and self-confidence over time, if you let it. OH! Another important similarty shared between life in the US and life in the USMC is that overwhelming number of single, horny, and desperate men as compared to the low ratio of women. In a way, the marine corps prepared me for the worst that life in the US has had to offer me; now not only do I hate the USMC, but I actually hate the US now too!

    I am tired of the racial disharmony, and anti-white gentile attitude that this country has taken on in recent years. I first noticed this double standard against white men when I was physically abused by black NCO superiors in the core. Fuck that shit! Using the chain of command sucks too. I think that I first learned to hate non-whites from my negative experiences with them while in there; hispanics bitching about racist whites; blacks beating on whites, and with impunity. There is a racial double standard, just like in America, where non-whites are allowed to bully whites to a degree, and without any consequences. Yet whites are treated like dirt, unless they kiss ass with the upper rank, and are totally PC and portrey themeselves as leading near perfect lives. All of the political correctness, and fighting for kike wars in the middle east is just fucking insane! The USMC has no real honor left because the imperialist empire of the US no longer has any honor. Marines are mercenaries, plain and simple.

    To be fair, I should mention that I meet many amazing and wonderful people as well in the Corps, just as in the US, despite what seems like an overwhelming majority of sociopaths. I have zero sense of community in the US, and I am tired of it! WTF was I so loyal to a country that is run by jewish criminal gansters and fraudelent christian zionists? I want to leave this socialist, racist nightmare of a nation…

    ATTENTION WHITE AMERICAN MALES: DO NOT BOTHER ENTERING THE CURRENT U.S. MARINE CORPS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. YOU WILL BE USED AS CANNON FODDER ON THE FRONT LINES WHILE FIGHTING INSANE WARS FOR ZIONIST PIG KIKES AND ISRAEL, MEANWHILE, AS BLACK AND HISPANIC FORMER DRUG DEALERS WILL BE ENLISTED IN SERVICE/SUPPORT MOS’S, GANG-BANGING ALL OF THE WHITE WM’S BACK AT THE CAMP/BARRACKS WHILE YOU’RE FIGHTING AND DYING. NOT TO MENTION HOW ALL OF THE THUG CRIMINALS GANG-BANGING YOUR WHITE GIRLFRIEND/WIFE THAT YOU LEFT BACK AT HOME.

    • 7212gunner

      AHEM… Posts like this make this site look bad. Racist crap is a distraction that in the Corps eats a platoon alive. I’ve thumped heads over this before both during my time in and at least a time or two since I’ve left.

      • Ron

        Anyone who truly believes that, as you put it, “anyone who makes race an issue shouldn’t be taken seriously on any forum”, is a blatant fucking idiot. Anyone who’s ever spent time in the military or the US in general knows that the persistence of racial enclaves and “cliques” is very real, both inside and out of the military life.

        • 7212gunner

          So flush it out. I did. I didn’t need some officer looking over my shoulder to do it, I handled shit on my level like a Marine should at least in theory be capable of doing. You’re not much of leader, for all the calls to action you make.

          • Ron

            Calls to action? You must have become daft as a result of your overconfidence. I suppose you think you’re psychic now too, after earning those blood stripes? What you think you have insight into my leadership abilities? Shew away, troll.

          • 7212gunner

            I see what you put out there, man.

  • Fuckyou

    What a bunch of whiney pussies…deal with your hurt feelings and move on with life.

  • unclebuzzkill

    The Marine Corps tradition of hanging jarheads out to dry hasn’t changed since 70-73 when I was in. These videos and comments are exactly like my era, the only difference would be that the uniforms were solid green utilities.

    • Ron

      Except that back in your era, it wasn’t uncommon for military personnel to go out and smoke some grass after duty, in order to blow off a little steam. You didn’t have to piss in a cup every other week or randomly like we had to. And if you did get caught with some pot, you were probably given an Article 15 and loss of pay. Now you would be kicked out for that, yet it is fine by the US Government to utilize marines and veterans alike as guinea pigs for jewish-run pharmaceutical industries who want to test out their new profit-generated anti-depressants or ant-psychotics.

      In fact, this country was a much different place back then in general. While you were in, you weren’t bombarded with harrassment from criminal ganster enlistees from every third-world nation on the planet. Now they let every tom, dick, and harry from every country in the world come to the US to seek asylum IF they have brown skin, and the military’s enlistment protocol is no different either.

      • 7212gunner

        I’d urge people not to listen to this guy too. Matter of fact, anyone that makes race an issue shouldn’t be taken seriously on any forum.

        • Ron

          Nobody gives two fucks about your urging of them to ignore my message, Gunny. I speak my mind; if you don’t like it, go to hell! In one sentence you make mention of Eisenhower and his warnings about a military-industrial complex, but when someone tries to point out the obvious charades taking place right in front of everyone’s noses, you think you can intervene and suppression that voice? I think not.

          What do you think this whole Occupy movement was started for, anyway? These protestors are delusional if they’re still willing to deny identifying those who have orchestrated the ponsi scheme economics that are devestating the US economy. Social disorder in the US is rife now; probably worse than during the civil right era. People aren’t willing to stick their heads in the sand any longer. Revolution is in the House.

          • 7212gunner

            Corporal, actually, but thanks for the upgrade. To make it about race is divisive crap that obscures the real obstacles before us. Until you get the haze from in front of your face and unwrap your own bullshit, you are not fit to make any call for anything, least of all revolution. Your revolution will hurt people that should not be hurt, so forgive me if I don’t sign up.

          • Ron

            My mistake, E-4, gotcha. Don’t take it the wrong way, I wasn’t trying to stroke your ego and inflate it anymore than it probably is already. Are you one of those cocky, sadistic, and narcissist NCOs like many are in that organization?

            I’m not advocating revolution, just pointing out the writing on the wall. I don’t want to see people get hurt either, but they already have been; in fact, that’s the reason this Olsen kid started this blog in the first place. Thanks for the objective opinion on how unfit you think I am, but I’ll continue to make my own calls as a matter of personal survival. At least my views are unfettered by a “haze” of multicultural brainwashing.

          • 7212gunner

            Fuck, I got promoted late on account of this mouth, but I’ll address your concerns about my character item by item, even if you might not really rate such a thing:

            Cocky: I was the best motherfuckin’ Stinger Gunner in the Marine Corps. I made no bones about it, but I also saw it as my duty to make everyone as awesome as me.

            Sadistic: Only once or twice, which is downright kind by Marine Corps standards. I ran a PT session too hard (I still did everything they did, however) one time and I reduced a Marine to tears PRIVATELY (you never humiliate a man in public).

            Narcissist: No more than anyone else on this board, I’d wager, plus I liked my kids to walk around with swagger like mine.

            As to the multicultural brainwashing, my A-Gunner was a kid named Salazar from Texas with a thugish past. I still trust this man with my life.

      • unclebuzzkill

        Actually in my era when you got busted for pot they just took the pot and smoked it themselves. You fit into one of three groups back then, the pot heads, the juice heads and the lifin’ fucks who’d dime on anybody just to be made King Rat. The pot sure helped to get to sleep after having to work 6 hours on and 6 off, chase on the off watch, 2 days on and 2 days off and a training day on our full day off. You needed to be buzzed or shit faced from being too tired and wired to sleep. Back then we had the draft to blame, now you guys are volunteers. Reminds me of  this story: the second of a long string of crap jobs I had after getting separated was working with these lazy as shit Pakistanis in a warehouse. Good kids were getting wacked in Viet Nam so these lazy assed Pakistanis could have the privilege of fucking off in America, Beyond all crazy. All these years I still haven’t figured it out. Our Congress is still just as stupid and the Defense Industry is still just as fat and good kids are still getting wacked in some third world shithole that no one gives a crap about except the politicians. Still beyond all crazy. Soon I’ll be in the bone yard and I hope I get to be a ghost to haunt all these self righteous assholes. It will take about 20 years for all the poison the Marine Corps put in your soul to drain out. I wish you kids the best of luck.

        • okinawa inmate

          i always wondered if the corps has always sucked or if that was a recent change..guess i know..hey at least you had pot..we cant even get high to shit thats not even pot lol..ugh fml..17 months baby!!!

  • freisty

    U expect to be hard marines, then send them to prison for doing there job. what is the deal with your training? i dont get it.

  • Ron

    If you do happen to join the US Marines, be forewarned that you must swear 100% allegiance to the nation of Israel. Benjamin Netanyahu will be the top person in your chain of command, followed by Obongo.

    • 7212gunner

      Set to ignore, kids.

    • Tooltime911

      You must swear allegiance only to the U.S.A and follow all orders that are given from those above you in the chain of command. Ron are you part Nazi that you hate the Jewish people so much . So many sad people on this site. Guess you guys could not cut it in the military world so you come here to bad mouth them.

      • Ron

        Wrong. You must swear allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America.

        Accusing me of being a Nazi because I point out the obvious elephant in the room is so fucking passe, “Tool.”

        You’re kidding yourself if you think every dissident voice on here is some kind of washup or shitbird.

    • Anonymous

      Can you please elaborate on this further? I do not understand.

  • smedley butler

    War is a Racket

    should be required reading for everyone in the military.

     

    • 7212gunner

      AHA! Now THIS is something worth a comment. If a Commandant of the Marine Corps made some pretty damn prophetic statements that he got a little trouble for about the rise of the military/industrial complex, I’d at least encourage looking into it for yourselves, my little demotivators. Eisenhower also made some noise about it, something to the effect that every bomb we built while anyone was hungry or without shelter was stealing from the public. Smart stuff.

      • 7212gunner

        I think I just misspoke. His statements COST HIM appointment as Commandant. That’s fucked up…

        • Anonymous

          shit rolls down hill, everyone else paid for that too. thats even more fucked up

  • Tooltime911

    To the Comrades on this page who fight for Socialist Communist ideas and are pathetic losers who could not take what the military handed out. The U.S.M.C is one of our nations finest  military organiztions and stand tall with the Army the Navy the U.S.A.F and Coast Guard. The only reason many of you do not like the military is due to not being man enough to do the right thing.  You must hate yourself even more .

    • Anonymous

      Oh right this must be the reason! You are so smart. You are able to put into so few words the opinions of so many thousands of people.  Not many can do that!

      Btw, I got out of the USMC after 4 years in 2005 as a Sargent. And I am a middle class republican.  I HATE THE PEOPLE IN THE USMC.

      • 7212gunner

        Sergeant?

    • fuck usmc

      Fuck socialism! Who could ever hate the marine corps? They provide housing, food, and healthcare its great, its nothing like those socialist pigs.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      http://www.fleetmarinelife.com/?p=589

      If you will kindly follow this link, you’ll find my story.  You see, the USMC is not one of the nations finest military organizations, it’s one of the finest fronts for a terrorist organization.  As for your whole “Socialist Communist” etc. etc. you’re free to believe whatever you like of course, but I have no idea what you’re basing that assumption on.

    • OneNJP

      Nowhere near the finest. Ad I’ve been in for 11 years. Delt with the bs for various reasons. Can’t wait to get out. Fuck the USMC. SNCO’s are dumb asses and junior Marines are pussies these days.

  • 7212gunner

    “We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.”
    I think both the motivators and the lost can identify with this. I was what I like to call a positive pessimist while I was in, and I dare say that this peculiar philosophy actually got me pretty far in my time.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      You’re a hard man to read.  It seems like one moment you’re posting something incredibly anti-moto, and the next you’re posting something speaking well of the marine corps.  Sometimes you seem to accomplish this in the course of one comment.  All things considered I think I like your perspective.

      • 7212gunner

        I’ve been on both sides of the fence and was maddeningly unconventional as an NCO. Sometimes I’m trying to be difficult, sometimes I’m being very frank about the two different paths I walked. I think the best Marines are fucked up like a football bat sometimes… yelling out shit like “Eat the apple, fuck the Corps” is the only way to keep sane sometimes. Maybe you gotta hate the Marine Corps a bit to truly love it, who knows?

  • OneNJP

    Does anyone else have a list of SNCO’s and officers they would love to run into when they get out?

  • OneNJP

    Female Marines are completely useless. Just saying.

    • BreakDance

      That is stupid. I was a grunt, and even I know this is not true. 

    • freisty

      nc.

      • OneNJP

        What happened? Did you get out after you got knocked up from fucking half the barracks? You’re probably one of those hidious females that likes the attention you get from all the males in the corps. Now that you’re out you’re pissed because no one will look twice at you. And I’m sorry, female marines are not useless, they are good for medical appointments, paperwork and sucking dick. Go fuck yourself.

        • freisty

          nc.

    • semperfryem

      They are not all useless, just most of them

      • freisty

        No comment.

        • freisty

          nc.

    • Likeyeahright

      Not all of them are useless. But many like to get pregnant to get out of deployments because they admit it and tell me. They also like to fake pregnant pains to leave early. They also like to say there kids are sick and can’t wait til daycare calls them so they can leave me all there work. Oh and my favorite “I can’t clean. I’m pregnant.” how do they clean there homes!?! Just more dishonesty. I guess guys would do it to. They do if there kids are sick… They like to leave early to beat traffic out of daycare.

      • freisty

        no comment.

  • Guest270

    Who was that kid that was shot by the rubber bullet? Is he the one who started this website?

    • Anonymous

      No

      • Anonymous

        At least I dont think so

  • Motivationless

    So we took the CFT this morning. I finished THREE FEET behind my fellow coworker for the 880 meter run. Somehow he managed to get a time of 2:45  while I got 2:52. I guess it took me 7 seconds to run three feet in a full out sprint. Think again. I can’t stand dishonest people. I hate those who lie about their times for the CFT/PFT. I mean come on, its 7 seconds. Man up. Do you have any conscience at all? Not only that but he goes and brags to everyone how he has been training to improve his run time.  Dumb dishonest bitch. You will never make it in the REAL WORLD.  Can’t wait to leave the corps…..

  • Dwilliams1021

    This is in response to tooltime911, im in motor t, when ive been in ten years less then my sgts or ssgts and they are my leaders and i know more about our mos then they do theres a problem. They should be leading me and my peers when instead we make them look like idiots. Like today my sggt was backing up a humvee, turned to me and asked “hows my back up light”……. Are you fucking serious sggt! For thos who dont know humvees dont have reverse lights. Im not saying the marine corps suck or that i hate it but iam saying that the leaders in mwss-374 are complete idiots and need to be relieved. Tooltime911 you were prolly one of those fat nasty snco’s who sit from their desks and critisize other marines fir the same stuff you yourself dont do. Or your that mo-tard hard ass who took the drill feild instead of deploying. And now your retired wearing all marine corps clothing bragging you were a war fighter. Fuck off if you are giving these marines for venting. Semper fuck me…

  • KFleetMarineLife

    USMC Fact #124 – Field days win wars.

    • Madmike19682003

      it is absolutely terrifying how many delusional shitheads actually believe crap like that. jesus,joseph and doggystyle mary if all that chickenshit spit and polish actually meant anything than marine corps security forces and similar units would be like special forces instead of being a bunch of fuckups in the field who make the 3 stooges look like Navy SEALs.

  • Anon

    My newly wed wife is in the marine corps. I am so tired of seeing her come home covered in cuts and bruises from having football PT with the men, being threatened with undesirable deployments because she turned down her gunnery sgt, not being able to seek counseling for emotional issues because she was told she would lose her top secret clearance, being kept away from living with me while her paperwork is processed by a bunch of 18 year olds, not having her leave cleared until days before when it is too late to buy a plane ticket to see our family, and not being able to be my wife because she has become government property. She joined the corps for stability, ad has found only disorganization and identity loss and depression. I cannot wait for her to EAS so I can haves wife back. Or what is left of her.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Stat strong man, They can’t stop time, she’ll get out.

  • F M L

    It’s been a while since I’ve come to this beloved website, and I noticed a rise in the number of institutionalized douchebag’s coming here to tell us how terrible we are as people for despising the Marine Corps, insulting us, saying we’re cowards and communists, and so on and so forth… What I have to say is this: If someone, some random day, out of the blue, for absolutely no reason, woke up and said ” Today’s the day I begin hating the Marine Corps”, then I’d agree if some one said that person is irrational and idiotic. However, we are not irrational, and we are not idiotic. The way I feel about the Marine Corps didn’t happen out of the blue and for no reason, I am an intelligent human being and the way I feel now is a result of certain actions and happenings. My hatred of the Marine Corps happened one fuck-fuck game at a time, one bullshit punishment at a time, one insult at a time, over years, and throughout all this I tried and I maintained hope, thought maybe one day it all got better, after all they never promised me a “rose garden”. But, they also didn’t tell me it is absolutely fucking retarded, it doesn’t change, it doesn’t get better, you either accept this retarded beast it for all its bullshit and stupidity or get out. I, an intelligent discerning person choose to not accept it, choose to get out and look for better things in life besides habitual and mechanical “yutting” and “oorahing”. And I express myself on this website in the hope that I can open up someones eyes, so they dont follow in my footsteps and end up hating life, and if I can convince just one person to not enlist or re-enlist, then I really did do a good deed. So if you intend to come on this website and insult us, stop, use your capacity to reason, realize you will not change us or stop us, and reflect on what brought us here, and maybe accept the fact that the Marine Crops isn’t as great as you might have thought.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IG52ANRXFH4CJAA3Z3VHZIZGCI Daniel

      dude u obviously missed the memo, because its actually against marine corps order to think intelligently about anything.  who the fuck gave u the right to use ur brain?  fucking shitbag…  ur NCO’S FUCKING FAILED U.   back in the old corps, if we even thought that someone might be trying to use their capacity for reason, we would take them to the treeline and beat the reason right out of them.  the corps is so soft nowadays.

      • Tardisnic

        im sorry but you are an idiot. the USMC doesnt take people who dont think (obviously you missed the FACT, not OPPINION that if people didnt think we would have lost EVERY war we fought. THIS war in the middle east is a joke. politicians decided to run in there yelling WERE HERE TO HELP!!! when the middle easterners didnt want to be bothered. imagine if someone broke into your home and started saying what you should do. now imagine if you hopped in there without knowing a thing about them and ordering them around.) if the USMC wasnt around, you would be stuck with your thumb up your ass whining and crying as people bombed us, shot at us, and you would still be oblivious to the fact that the USMC is here to protect, not destroy america. and i know your probably down at the occupy… something crap. consider this, if the evil buisines’s didnt exist people wouldnt be able to work to  spend their hard earned money, so that you can sit on your ass while the USMC protects our country and as long as we’re paying taxes, you can do so. IF you get your revolution, the cops and USMC cant protect you. heck you might even have to (shudder) work!!! learn facts before you act like a tool for your politicians

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          http://www.fleetmarinelife.com/?p=589

          I’m not going to type it again.  I’m sick of saying it.  Just click the link, and read.

          By the way, no one said anything about all of those Occupy moments.  A lot of people aren’t even really sure what they’re protesting, we just know that they’re getting a kick out of protesting something or other…

    • Tardisnic

      excuse me sir. im a conservative and believe in the right to free speech. i applaud you for speaking what s on your mind. but IF the USMC was no longer available, the United States of America would become a instant sign that says “please blow the crap out of me” also, what happens if this “revolution” happens and the cops cant protect you? hmm? again i applaud you and hope  you will speak whats on your mind. i know i cant change your mind, and no one is trying to. we are simply ttrying to educated you in the TRUTH. the lies you mad men are fed on taste better than the truth which tastes bad, the fact you have to work to get somthing. please sir and all of you out there  educate yourselves!.  currently a song by Rush describes you well. “quick to judge quick to anger, slow to understand. ignorance and prejudice and we walk hand in hand.”

      • Madmike19682003

        if the u.s. army has proven anything it’s if they have to create a unit even up to division size that can run circles around anything the marine corps has it is more than up to the challenge. check out the first air cav in vietnam or any number of comparable units. plus if i was a enemy leader planning on attacking the u.s. i would think a lot harder about this country’s nuclear forces than the entire marine corps. the marine corps is just a bitchy little army that speaks navy lingo. there is nothing elite about any organization that recruits people with i.q. scores on the wrong side of 90. plus i’ve worked with all branches and i’ve met a helluva lotta soldiers i’d rather have backing me up in combat than a lotta marines i had to serve with. p.s. i’m a honorably discharged marine.

        • Tardisnic

          I honor the fact that you were a former marine. But the truth is, we have the technology for nuclear missle defence, yet we dont want to scare people and use it. Be sure that you know what your talking about, and that as soon as other countrys have the tech for anti nuke defences, they wouldnt use it. please be sure about that. and it ISNT the USMC thats evil. U.S.A. foreign policy is one that at age four i could have made. you barge in on someones homeland, say your hunting ‘the bad guys’ and in the process you kill a child, or blow their leg off. have these politicians learned NOTHING from vietnam? the USMC isnt the global police force, its the united states fighting force. democratic politicians have that confused, and have caused this whole mess. President Bush did the correct thing in hunting down Saddam. but I admit after that he should have pulled  out. but please, your anger is understandable. but you are directing it towards the wrong group of people. i probably didnt convince you, but please consider my words sir. god bless you, have a merry Christmas.

      • Tonio_g12

        If the COPS can’t protect you, the National Guard is supposed to (by individual STATE), but the real military, especially the Marines, or the Army fighting against civilians is UN-AMERICAN! If the National Guard can’t thwart a revolution, than the revolution has taken place, and it can’t be reversed.

        Do you advocate Marines shooting at (killing) hungry, jobless, and penny-less Americans who have been screwed over and abandoned by the fat-cats in Washington who have sold-out to the super-rich corporation executives who know no allegiance to the USA nor any other nation, except to the mighty American, “KING DOLLAR” which is about to be usurped by the communist Chineese, and the fascist European desire for a cashless society?

        The founding fathers (freemasons) called America, “The great experiment” because they wanted to see if people who where given freedom and rights would actually forfeit those rights in exchange for the illusion of “SAFETY”, as though the government could actually keep everybody safe. “We the People…” keep eachother safe, not a bunch of, “para-military” thugs dressed in riot gear and beating up women and children, throwing them into jails for protesting injustices.

        Check out this song, “Lies, Lies, Lies”by Ministry. Since you’re a rocker!

    • Tonio_g12

      ROGER!!! Hey Devil, gues what?

      When you get out and start putting in all of those job applications, and the ones you like don’t call you for an interview, you’re gonna be like, “F@#K THEM ANYWAYS, -I WAS A MARINE!”; and when you go to college and you are trying to talk to all them pretty girls, your gonna be all like, “I WAS IN THE MARINES!”, and when you argue with your college professor about some trash that you know for a fact is absolutly true, and they are teaching some bull-sh*t, you are think, “F#CK YOU, I WAS IN THE MARINES!”; then when you can’t find a job and you need some money to provide for you child, you’re gonna think, “I WAS IN THE MARINES? WHY DID I LEAVE?

      With all due respect, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING; and it is very intelligent of you articulate what you feel through this medium. However, there are a lot of things in this world FAR worse (and some far better) than being an Active Duty Marine. “…use your capacity to reason,  …and maybe accept the fact that the
      Marine Crops isn’t as great as you might have thought.” Civi life aint as great as you may feel it is either. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

      Are you gonna start/join IHATECIVIANLIFE.COM when you get out? I bet you could, but it’s not necessary, being a real man means taking the good with the bad, and doing your best regardless of what people do or say to you. Even if the best you can do is to finish your contracted years with an HONORABLE DISCHARGE.

      Semper I; f@#k the other guy!

      • Marine4Life

        Awesome!

  • ForceOfTheAir

    Change of topic, Modern Warfare 3 vs Battlefield 3. I bought both games and I personally find them to both be very fun.  If I had to pick one over the other, I would pick Battlefield 3 because of the large scale environments, vehicles, and graphics. On the other hand, Modern Warfare 3 feels much rewarding as far as collecting points goes. 
    What do you guys think?

  • KFleetMarineLife

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/22/MNTP1M32LS.DTL

    A former USMC Sergeant was the one who pepper sprayed a bunch of a detained, sitting, non-violent protestors.

    • Tardisnic

      actually, it was a deluded mixture. i accidentaly pep sprayed my self. if it was not diluded they would have been unable to speak, stand, or sleep. plus they closed in on the cops! it doesnt matter if ur holding a sign tht say peace love and hope. if u close in on the cops, they will pepper spray you. and as part of police training, you have to BE pepper sprayed before you can use it. and they arent non-violent, they brat, i mean students locked arms and refused to let people on campus. you are all ill-educated fools. what your favorite teacher, Vlademir Lenin would have called “the useful idiots” please educate yourselves my friends!!!!

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    gobble gobble gobble

    • Sschwellenbach

      Happy Thanksgiving :)

  • Likeyeahright

    marinenet is the most useless thing.

    • Motivationless

      It is a great tool if you know how to use it.

  • Madmike19682003

    you marines are totally unsat. you need to get more moto or go ua. when are you crybabies gonna learn that the best way to keep the big green weenie out of your ass is to put it in your mouth and suck like a female pornstar. that’s what i do every day in my beloved corps! how do you think i got promoted? it damn sure wasn’t tactical or technical brilliance. hell you could fill the pacific ocean with all the stuff i don’t know. but by kissing ass and fucking other marines in the ass you can make nco like i did! and look at me. i’m just another loser who can’t get  a job as a assistant manager in a fast food restaurant because the owner won’t trust me with the happy meals but in the corps i get to abuse better men than me. what’s not to love?

  • lets take america back

    i was actually told by a drunk staff nco not long ago that the reason the enlisted marines get fucked with so much is so we dont re enlist . i f we dont re enlist that makes the staff nco’s re enlistment bonus bigger . think about it fuck the marine corps . 2 combat deployments and all i do is get fucked with on daily basis . this shit just isnt in the marine corps either our entire chain is a bunch of fucking liars clear to the top . if any of you ever get a chance watch the pat tillman story about how everyone lied and said he earned a silver star by fighting enemy to use him as a recruiting tool for the military ! he was killed by friendly fire ! by some trigger happy fucking boot ! shot him to death with a saw ! . its time for the people of this country to make a stand !

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Also when you and I get out the Corps will simply fill our spots with brand new Pvts and PFCs who will do the same job for less money.  I personally believe that’s why the corps treats us all like dogs: because if we stay in then the corps has to keep giving us pay raises instead of just giving some boot the bare minimum to do the same work.  That’s why you see LCpl squad leaders and stuff like that some times! The Corps could adjust the cutting scores so  there are enough of each rank for each MOS but they’d rather just give a lower rank a higher billet because it costs less!

  • Foxtrot Tango November

    Corps sees the handwriting on the wall, exposed as the fradulent waste of tax dollars it really is. http://news.yahoo.com/postwar-marines-smaller-less-focused-land-war-132241513.html

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      This is really good news! But the biggest problem is that things should have changed a long time ago.

    • Madmike19682003

      so basically all they are gonna do is make the marines into what it was prior to 9/11? it was just as messed up than as now. i was in 1988 to 1992. the main job of any bureaucracy is to perpetuate the bureaucracy. the marine corps primary job is to protect the marine corps no america. they will always fight any attempt to make it smaller even if it makes it better.

      • Foxtrot Tango November

        Madmike, you are right. The difference is, the USN has no use for the USMC, other than to justify wasting more tax dollars on useless gator freighters. Marine guard detachments are a thing of the past. Navy MA’s now guard navy bases and ships. This gives the USMC even less justification for their alleged “usefulness.” You are so right that the USMC’s primary job is to protect itself, and it will. See how previous attempts to abolish the corps were thwarted by political maneuvering and shenanigans by marines and former marines. But at some point, with the money spigot running dry, even the spineless politicians will have to say, “Sorry, we’re broke. Thanks for the memories.”

  • AmericanDad

    My son recently joined the corps and is now at his mos.Regrettably I let him sign on at 17 so he had one full year of poolie / recruiter brain washing on top of his own idealistic view of the USMC. Ya know all the brothers in arms BS. At this point when he isn’t on duty he stays locked in his room. He is just barley 18 and surrounded by fucking brain dead 24-25 year olds that have nothing better to do than abuse him. Fuck The Marines !.. I wish I would never have encouraged him to join… He scored very high on all his tests he could have joined the CG, Navy, AF or gone to College but no … Now he doing 4 years with a buncha cunts. The icing on the cake is they didn’t even give him the mos he wanted.

    • Madmike19682003

      tell him to go to base legal if they screwed him on the contract he may be able to get out. i knew 1 marine who did. also sometimes there can be other legal issues if he joined beforee he turned 18. tell him do not turn to alcohol or drugs like a lotta jarheads do. don’t go awol or do anything stupid. try to have a hobby or play sports in his off duty time. be constructive not self destructive. and warn to get the game face on before he hits the fleet because the abuse he will suffer as the new guy in the unit can make boot camp look easy and tame.

    • Tonio_g12

      AmericanDad, with all due respect, please don’t worry about your son being hazed a little bit. The Marine Corps is an organization of the toughest men in the US military; and being 18 years old certainly won’t last forever. You can’t protect your son from becoming a real man. The Marine Corps SUCKS for sure, but life ain’t a bowl of cherries; especially if you are expected to put your life on the line for the nation (as a part of your own career-choice). I hope you aren’t offended sir. I think you should suggest to your boy that he find a hobby, or request permission to attend the college on base (University of WHATEVERITSCALLED or some trash like that). If your son is a, “brainy” type of person he could volunteer at the base library, or if he’s into cars he can fix up his ride at the base do-it-yourself garage (borrow any tools for FREE), and if he just likes to kill then he can take up martial arts (all kinds around ANY Marine Corps base), or he could even take up under-water baket weaving! Hell he could put on all of his gear and go for a three mile run (THAT’S SOME MOTIVATION!), just for the hell of it!!!

      The first thing he needs to do in order to stop being so depressed is to get his a$$ out of his room! How is he supposed to minge with people (even the ladies) from his room? If you are extremely concerned about his mental state due to him haing been picked on, PLEASE CALL THE COMMANDING OFFICER directly! When you got all of that testosterone in one place, sh*%-happens, don’t let it happen to your son. Please don’t make it worse for him by focusing on the negative, and adding fuel to the fire. I ask you to remind your son how much you love him, and how proud of him that you are. One day he’ll be 24 years old and picking on the new guy just for fun (nothing personal).

      By the way, the Marines don’t promise anybody an MOS unless it’s on their contract. If you can’t take a little bit of cr@p, how can you expect to keep yourself cool in combat? It’s a matter of life or death.

      Good luck to your boy; and no it’s not, “f # *k the Marine Corps” it’s, “F@#K THE WAR on our civil liberties, and rights!” Men like your son volunteer to forfeit their rights, in order to preserve the freedoms of men like you (civilians) who have the right to free speach. That’s why you can pick up the phone and call the CO of your sons outfit, but he can’t!

    • Marine4Life

      What a father! Your son is probably the 10% we call Shit birds! He bitches and you believe every word he says. He won’t make it in society either. Maybe he should read the contract before he signed it. It tells you what your job is. 

    • REDDOG7

      Really….. – DAD…? Your telling me the entire time he was in pool status. You never got the feeling he shouldn’t do this? –or you didn’t see one of the so called “brain dead idiots” your son was joining with or is with now..? How about this DAD- let your son experience “HIS” life, let go of his hand-stop hovering and shut the (please be quiet). If you consider for a second your son is a “MAN” your wrong. If he was -he would know he does not have to be around those brain dead idiots or assimilate to their idiosyncrasies. It was your job to make him an independent man, NOT OURS. If he isn’t by now then you failed not the D.I.’s -YOU. We just made him a basically trained MARINE. Which means- To love your country enough to die for it, to love you fellow Marine enough to care for his welfare, To be a part of something bigger than what is just in front of you.  He can be his own person and stand apart from the rest by-
      NOT LIMITED TO-
      1. Stay away from them! Ooo shocking…
       2. If they are as brain dead as you say, then he can learn stay MOTO (something he learned in BOOT) and get promoted ahead of them and then he will be in charge of them.
      3. Be a man about it and stand up for himself-Oh wait you didn’t teach him that… DAD
      4. The million things he can do by informing his command, change rooms, change fire teams, change himself from a sniveling little boy and become the MAN you were supposed to make him into…
      Look – SIR -Civilian or whatever you want to call yourself because in my book I wouldn’t call you a father, maybe a care taker or a scapegoat. The Marine Corps is tough yea- that’s what we said from the beginning…duh.
      The BIGGER picture is -living is tough. Even more for those of us that serve in the armed services let alone the MARINES. Your son needs to do the right thing –for himself, get out of his room, stand up to the punk kids- lead himself to be a strong young man in the Marine Corps. Because if can’t do it in, then he won’t be able to when or if he gets out. I have seen good, great, and crap Marines come and go and they all say the same… I miss it. (Maybe not the ones on this web site) but they do. Every time they see a commercial or a parade or an eagle a globe an anchor or all three at once. They all say F&*%* not because they hate the Marines it’s because they failed at it. It takes a certain kind of teen to challenge/rip himself away from friends/home/family love. But it takes a MAN to stay focused on the goal he set and to triumph in the face of adversity. NO ONE ever remembers they easy way, they don’t talk about the easy stuff they don’t take pictures of the easy stuff they don’t reminisce on it either but,- the hard way the $H!Ty way they sure remember. The crap they went through to get there… The brothers made and respect EARNED.
      By the way does your son know you felt this way –or that you put this on the web?
      RESPOND…

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I’m sorry to see that your post seems to have derailed to the trolls.  Don’t loose too much sleep over it, the marine corps can’t stop time, it’ll end sooner or later.

    • Scarface33541

      I couldn’t agree with you more Ive been in five years and. Honestly we are the most brainwashed sons a bitches I’ve ever met

    • 12%

      I have been in for 3 1/2 years. It has been on giant brainwashing circus. Thank you for sharing your story, I feel you.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Hey all.  I know I haven’t been on recently, had computer issues.  But I have a question for anyone who’s interested.

    I intend, on the day of my EAS to return to the exact spot where I received my EGA (I subjected myself to the video of my EGA ceremony to find the exact spot on the parade deck) and destroy the EGA that my DI’s gave me (I kept it separate when I was a boot).  What I need from you is a suitable means of destruction.  Something original, and has some sort of ironic justice, if that makes any sense.

    I’m drawing a blank.  Any thoughts anyone?

    • Serenity

      poop on it!

    • Thedude

      lol dude when you get out just leave and never look back

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        That is the plan, but just for the psychological relief it would provide, I want to destroy that damned thing in a truly anti-marine corps fashion.  I just can’t figure out what it should be.

    • fuck usmc

      Melt it in a crucible

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        I like it!  Now I just need to find a crucible… or something comparable but smaller.  Maybe some kind of a torch… Thanks!

  • Jb

    I’ve heard a lot about gang bangers and other lowlife scum in the Corps. Semper Fi, my a**. The people responsible for running the corps. know the kind of crap that goes on and don’t do a damn thing. I’ve completely changed my mind about the nobility of the military. There are some good guys in it, and I support them, but not the organization. They’re supposed to help build character, not let garbage in and then turn a blind eye when the garbage brings the rule of the streets of the hood and bario with them.

    The dark side of the corps. needs to be told. Whoever is running this site should change the name and the facebook name to something like “the truth about the USMC”, you’ll get farther at getting the important information out.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      Instead of changing the name of this site, we decided to build another one titled http://www.MarineTruth.com

    • TONIO_G12

      ORALE` HOMES! SIMON I WUZ JUST SAYING THE SAME TING TO MY PRIMOS E` MI CARNALES TAMBEIN VATO!

      BACK IN DA DAYZ, THE GANGSTERS USED TO MAKE IT IN THE MILITARY BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE ROAD THEY WERE HEADED DOWN, AND BECOME BETTER PEOPLE. NOW DAY’S (THANKS TO MTV AND POPULAR-MUSIC) IT’S JUST TOO COOL TO STAY GANGSTER FOR LIFE, AND GOINING INTO THE MARINES JUST MAKES YOU EVEN MORE OF A BAD ASS WHEN YOU GET BACK TO THE STREETS, BECAUSE YOU BECOME A PROVEN WARRIOR!

      THE MARINES CORPS HAS INVESTED A LOT TO ENSURE THAT ALL MARINES CAN LEARN THE ART OF KILLING, AND WITH THE LOW-RETENTION OF QUALITY MARINES, IT’S JUST TOO EASY FOR SH%T BAGS TO STAY IN, AND BEFREND THE LOW RANK SH%T BAGS WHO ARE JUST LIKE THEM. IT ALWASYS HAPPENS, BUT SOME YEARS THERE’S A LOT MORE OF IT!

      IT WORKS LIKE A MATHEMATICAL FORMULA:
      GOOD CIVILIAN ECONOMY + NO ENLISTMENT BONUS = BETTER QUALITY MARINES
      GOOD CIVILIAN ECONOMY + ENLISTMENT BONUS = LESSER QUALITY MARINES
      POOR CIVILIAN ECONOMY + NO ENLISTMENT BONUS = LESSER QUALITY MARINES
      POOR CIVILIAN ECONOMY + ENLISTMENT BONUS = SH%T BAG CITY!!!

      CHECK THE VA WEBSITE TO FIND OUT WHICH KIND OF DOCTORAL DEGREE YOU’LL NEED SO YOU CAN FIND A JOB WHEN YOU GET OUT OF ACTIVE DUTY, MARINE!

  • 7212gunner

    Inspection ready is never combat ready, and combat ready is never inspection ready…

  • Bigman3531

    i am so fing sick of the BS we have to put up with, it feels like every day is the same go to work 0400 sit around and do nothing and then get off at 2200and i have never had to work for bigger retards in my life, it feels like every one has lost there Fing minds! and what are we doing? NOTHING! and for what IDK. i am getting out ASAP. i hate this so so much.

  • Kyle_baggett3000

    I feel like all my potential has been wasted.  I cannot put into words how much I truly regret joining the Marine Corps.  A college education has never seemed to sweet and dear to me.  Yet, my TA form got denied until I prove myself by passing my first class.  Educational opportunities my ass!  Shit’s supposed to be free BECAUSE I FUCKING ENLISTED NOT BECAUSE SOME OFFICER DECIDES I DESERVE IT!

    The worst part about the Corps is that people at home are so proud of you, which means that you can never, ever, tell them the truth about it.  Even if you could, people simply cannot understand without being here themselves.

    I feel like the Marine Corps was meant to be better than this.  I feel like it’s a punishment for young men who are immature, and arrogant.  The ones who learn their lesson get out and make something of themselves while the ones who don’t learn either stay in and never learn how to not be a douche bag or get out and suck at life.

    Honestly, I’d happily die today or have Mayans rip my heart out and sacrifice me to their sun god if it meant not waking up tomorrow and being in the United States Marine Corps.

  • Kyle_baggett3000

    Also, if you have good morals, and are against drug use and drinking, trust me, you won’t be after you join the Marine Corps.  All the stupid bull shit and fucking retards and miserable fucks will turn you into what the Corps calls “salty.”  I can’t wait to roll my next blunt, do coke, roll on x, not shave.  I wanna eat the apple.  Fuck the core.

  • Semperfi

    Has everyone here gotten a Big Chicken Dinner; or yall just don’t know that this site and others like it are under constant surveillance by the highest leves of the US government and that profiles are being made on every one of you?

    If you want out, the Marine Corps will be more than happy to see the door hit you on the ass on the way out! The Marine Corps don’t need you, they will keep on going, passing down the tradition to more recruit graduates, who are fully indoctrinated in the love of Country and Corps.

    Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler had testified before a congressional investigative hearing long ago, and that very pannel had determined that he was telling the truth about, the United States of America to be overthrown by a fascist dictatorial regeime, which was to be lead by himself, and thousands of veterans; financially backed by international bankers and America’s corprate conglomerate. There was no further investigation into the matter and the case was closed.

    Smedley Butler later wrote his famous book, “WAR IS A RACKET” in hopes of teaching the American people, civilians, Active Duty, veterans, and others what the real trouble of the Marine Corps is, “RACKETEERING” or being professional hit-men for Corporate America (international bankers).

    My last CO Colonel Mckenzie of the 22D MEU Command Element had (as most officers do) assumed that he was brighter than everyone else when he had written a thesis (a very long essay) about how Americans’ and others are likely to be future terrorists’ so the Marine Corps has to be ready to kill any and ALL of them. He opened up his thesis with a quote from (of all people) Henry J. Kissinger (the Secretary of State durring President Nixon’s administration).

    I believe that Henry J. Kissinger should only be remembered for his most famous quote, “Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.” from the book, “The Final Days” by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in chapter 14. Page 194 He is especially referring to OFFICERS (I can’t say I completely disagree with him on this though). Is the Colonel who chose to quote him (Kissinger) a jack-hoff or what?BEWARE THE NEW SECULAR ORDER OF THE WORLD 2012!!! A MICROCHIP FOR EVERY MAN WOMAN AND CHILD TO BE COMPLETELY ENSLAVED IN A CASHLESS SOCIETY. GET OUT OF LINE, AND THEY’LL FREEZE YOUR ACCOUNT, AND USE THE CHIP TO FIND YOU AND IMPRISON YOU.HILLARY CLINTONS FAVORITE BOOK OF ALL TIME, “1984” BY GEORGE ORWELL. A BLUEPRINT FOR THE GLOBAL ELITIST TO ENVISION A MORE PERFECT GOVERING BODY OF THE WORLD.

    • KINGHENRY

      1. The Corps does not just let you out the door. To say that they do is…
      2. No one is monitoring shit.
      3. Shhhh. Please do not talk anymore

      • Semperfi

        KINGHENRY,

        Oh yes they they do let you out the door (AFTER letting you finish your contract with reduced pay and reduced rank and voluntolding you for ever crap detail they can put you on and making your life worse than hell; but usually, that’s reserved just incase your a shit-bag). There aint too many Marines on stop-loss or involuntary recall anymore though are there? ONLY A BOOT would say that, “Four years is FOREVER!” (IRR is the shit though KINGHENRY!)

        AND -Yes; the United States government electronically monitors and records ALL electronic communications (phone calls, text messages, the internet, especially “ANTI-AMERICAN-HATE-SITES” like this one [the Marine Corps is just as American as apple pie], credit card charges, RFID tags aka “SMART CARDS” [which can be read from a distance], i.e.: electronic transactions, CCTV cameras at the front gate, and every stop-light, and at many of the freeway on or off ramps’, police check-points at random locations [even though there's NO probable cause to search any random citizens], and let’s not forget the RFID chips are now in your cell phones, and you can use that same cell phone as a credit card too [Google pay-app's, etc.]). They won’t get you right now, but they got you on the record though! Don’t be scared, because they want you to SHUT UP (just like you want me to), because they hate FREEDOM too!!!

        You should Google, “Jesse Ventura” (former Navy-SEAL/Frog-Man, and Minnesota Governor) and watch his cancelled TV show, “Conspiracy Theory” -the episode called, “Big Brother” and we should all think before you speak (or type).

        I’ll bet you think that Jose Guerena, the Marine who was murdered by the SWAT team in Arizona in front of his wife and children in their home (with his weapon on SAFE) probably deserved it! Why would the local government lie about him knowing the police where there and say that he was pointing his rifle at them, if they are really here to “help” us all? If the local government wouldn’t lie, we know that the Federal Government for sure would’nt lie either.

        Your right though, I wont talk anymore.

        Respectfully,

        • KINGHENRY

          See you never!

    • okinawa inmate

      im sure youre a motivator but i do agree with you..ie recently come to realize just how bad it is..i had to change all the settings on my FB and delete all marines off of it bc it was getting o bad..we have no freedoms left, the only thing is we just havent realized it yet..but you are right..i just wanna get outta the corps bc it seems to be worse

  • Foxtrot Tango November

    Marines Apologize for Sending Christmas Ornaments to Fallen Marines and Sailors

    http://news.yahoo.com/marines-apologize-sending-christmas-ornaments-fallen-marines-sailors-013622705.html

  • SEMPERSHIT

    Marine Corps may have exaggerated medal of honor recipients story.
    http://news.yahoo.com/us-marines-deny-exaggerating-deeds-war-hero-070549889.html

    • Foxtrot Tango November

      “The Marines have a propaganda machine that is almost equal to Stalin’s.” – Harry S. Truman

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    Hello everyone! I am very happy so many of you have decided to post on this open board. Some of you post here often which is awesome. Except for those pesky trolls! Don’t we all hate trolls? I sure do. So, with that said, I am looking for volunteers to be a moderators. As a moderator, your account will be upgraded with some extra options such as editing and deleting any comment on this site as well as the ability to ban.  If you are interested let me know below.

    Stan

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Count me in!

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        I figured you would be the first lol. I will set it up for you, next time you log in you should have the ability to edit/delete/ban. If someone is being a troll, 1 warning is all that is needed. You know who the trolls are so yeah.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          I’m actually rather surprised that your post was up for a full 2 days before someone responded.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            me too

          • KFleetMarineLife

            We’re all used to skating.

  • ExMotard

    You’re gonna call me a a heretic for this, but here goes:

    As much as I feel like a lot of me was wasted here, I am grateful for what I have.  I have a roof over my head (and I’m sharing this 15×15 space with another man), food in my belly (allegedly substandard meat) a paycheck (almost as much as I made in high school) and a job in an uncertain economy.

    Above all, I get all kinds of benefits (when I get out), such as more or less free college (tuition only, other expenses are on me).

    I get to wear a uniform that wherever I go (if I don’t get thrown out first, or chewed out by a former active) gets me laid (by fat chicks).

    I have all I ever want.  Why complain?

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      It is good to be positive! Glass half full is always a good way to look at things. Keeps you from going crazy. IMO, sharing a 15 x 15 living area with another man sucks. Being a civilian and deciding for yourself what food you are going to eat and what size living space you prefer is much better. At least in my opinion.

  • Semper HUH?

    Gents I am a SSgt and what I can say is don’t hate the institude of the Marine Corps the institude isn’t what’s the problem is; the problem is the bad leadership. I work with some of the biggest dumb asses in America, people who don’t know how to maturely and professionally handle their rank and position. I blame this on the Marine Corps it’s self for it’s irresponsibility in the way we teach Marines leadership. We all do the leadership MCI, but do we really do it! The answer to that is NO! Cpls course through advance course is a joke and doesn’t really teach how to be a solid leader but rather teaches how to keep the Corps moving.

    To all of you who can’t stand the Corps just give as much as you can, take as much as you can and plan for your future.There will be light at the end of the tunnel. I always joke about the Marine Corps and say that common sense is an uncommon virtrue.

  • The Perfect Scapegoat

    To Semper
    Huh and ExMotard, I and most likely many others appreciate your candor. I’ve
    been out for four years now, and still remember my “epiphany.” I
    realized after about the two-year mark that greatness comes from within and the
    Corps, quite simply, was a monstrous impediment to my social, mental,
    emotional, and intellectual health. While this may seem melodramatic, consider
    the alternative: relying on another person or institution to extract virtues
    that already exist isn’t always successful. Don’t get me wrong- tutoring,
    mentoring, and instruction are great things. But the institutional logic that exists
    within the Corps reinforces the identity of the Marine without truly making him
    better. Unless you were some kind of social reject, orphan, or juvenile
    delinquent, the Corps can’t offer much with regard to basic life skills. The
    training is rudimentary, while the drudgery of what I call the
    “existential upkeep” that Marines are expected to do is just too much
    for a normal, well-adjusted person to accept. I also noticed that the reason the USMC
    fosters such a zealous atmosphere is because its morale hangs by a thread on a
    daily basis. Incessant talks about motivation aren’t necessary if a unit is
    already motivated. It’s also important to note that Marine officers live very
    different lives from the enlisted. I would venture to say that the observations
    made on this site would come as quite a surprise to officers. I don’t blame
    officers for feeling this way, and I’m sure most of the hostility enlisted
    Marines have for them stems from plain, good old-fashioned envy. Hate them all
    you want, but officers were smart enough not to enlist. They get better pay,
    more freedom, and have more resources and training invested into them.  

    Now for the
    good news. I used to be a bit embarrassed to say I was a Marine, and it’s not
    because I failed at it. If anything, it failed me. I did a 4 year contract,
    served a year in Iraq, earned my Bachelors while I was in, and honorably discharged
    as a Sgt.  But I am fairly nonchalant
    about my service. It’s really no big deal because civilians work hard every day and don’t expect to be adored just for wiping their asses. And now that I’m out, I wouldn’t
    discourage someone from joining as long as they understood that they themselves
    are responsible for their own contract, conduct and decisions. If they know
    there is NOTHING in the world they can do to change the madness, they may come
    out of it okay. I’m still reaping the VA and GI Bill benefits, so it was a good
    decision for me. But I have serious doubts about the mental stability, moral
    grounding and competence of enlisted lifers. They aren’t bad people. They’re
    just a product of their environment.

     Most Marines are basically “tourists-”
    they stroll around base for 3 1/2 years just to get a feel for the military
    culture. So I recommend that if you join the Corps, you do so within the
    context of a bizarre sociological experiment. I entered boot camp with a very
    serious and solemn tone because I really wanted to improve myself and excel. But
    I left the front gates at Lejeune laughing my ass off because everything I did
    in the Corps I could have done on my own. Tourists have the luxury of grabbing
    the proverbial bag of popcorn and just watching the show. I didn’t do that,
    unfortunately. I believed that the Corps would eventually deliver on its pledge
    to cultivating me into a better person. It never did. I recommend young people
    to just mind their own business and do their time if they’re a tourist.
    Employers don’t care that I was a Sgt, so I could’ve remained a LCPL and had a
    much better time. While I still ridiculed my superiors and mocked them, there was always this lingering responsibility I had that never went away. I think what drives Marines to promote in their first
    contract is vanity. No one remembers my name from 4 years ago and no one cares.
    In other words, I was bought cheap.  LCPL
    is the best enlisted rank that offers the least amount of effort for the most
    return. You get to laugh at the debacles, poor leadership and stupidity, and if something goes wrong it’s not your fault. The second-best rank is SGT. Being a Corporal kind of blows.

    A lot of
    people join the Corps for the bragging rights, which I think is just selling
    out to its undeserved reputation. So they leave the Corps with greater
    confidence and conveniently “forget” that they’re leaving because it’s overrated. If it wasn’t, they would still be Marines. Plus, that EGA tattoo isn’t coming off for a while, so they might as
    well just shine it on. But the lifers are dead serious about their profession,
    or at least they should be if they want to keep their careers. I’ve found that
    an enlisted lifer working on his career is like a toddler playing with
    his toys; both take their respective activities very seriously and believe that
    what they’re doing at that moment is the most important thing in the world.
    Take away his toys (or for the Marine, threaten his career or credibility), and
    all hell breaks loose. But at the end of the day, not a lot is
    accomplished. And then they get up the next day and do it all over again. They
    don’t see the futility of it all, but it gives them something to do and have
    been made to believe they are important. While I’ve heard tons of people talk
    about how awful the life of LCPLs and below are, I believe that enlisted lifers
    are the most miserable and disillusioned bastards in the USMC. Those who aren’t
    discouraged are blissfully ignorant. They believed with every beat of their
    hearts that one day they would be able to rise above the turmoil and struggle
    of the Corps, but it’s an anti-climactic “victory.” Every job has a changeover
    in bullshit with regard to promotions; but the USMC’s bullshit is epically
    infuriating for a sane individual.  Even
    if they promote to E9, lifers spend over 15 years getting to it just so they
    can drive a desk and watch LCPLs clean out their trash. I believe that it’s not worth it. There is no light at the end of the tunnel
    until you EAS.  I do believe in worthy
    careers, though- I’m pursuing mine. So the point is not that we should all just
    give up and live in some kind of fatalistic world where nothing has any purpose.
    Quite the contrary. It’s that we need to determine what we’ll get out of an
    organization before throwing ourselves into it.

    Some may
    argue that I’m just being hateful. It’s not that at all. It’s that once a lifer
    retires, he has little or no career prospects. His legacy is being a Marine,
    and little else. While there are exceptions to this, enlisted retirees are
    generally relegated to working for the electric company, driving a taxi, pool cleaning
    company or short order cook. Tell me, why would I want to do this?  Their best years are behind them. It’s kind of
    like a protracted reign similar to the glory days of high school. And once it’s
    over, he’s discarded into the private sector. Most don’t have a college degree,
    and many are shuffled around to shops different from their MOS. Enlisted lifers
    are usually glorified supervisors who have lost their job skills. I’m just
    being truthful. A handful become GS workers and are able to make gobs of money,
    but there are only so many slots available. To put it mildly, enlisted lifers
    got on the wrong career track and are stuck with having to watch officers move
    on to achieve bigger and better things. That’s just the way it is.    

    I don’t
    think all enlisted lifers are lazy. I think they’re burdened with an SOP that
    has been 2 steps forward and 1 step back for too long, and it’s designed that
    way to keep the animals occupied. In Iraq, my unit was a MACHINE. Nearly everything went smoothly, and
    when obstacles appeared, they disappeared with innovation and teamwork because
    there was a real mission at stake. But the very moment I stepped back on CONUS
    soil, the silly and infuriating games began. You can only imagine my anger. It
    was like, “Shit, I’m back. I could’ve just remained on deployment for the rest
    of my contract.” So I got off the USMC treadmill because an inefficient
    template for policy, regulations and the overall mission results in protracted
    success (if any at all). It was just more of the same, regardless of the unit. 
         

    The bulk of
    tourists EAS because they know there is something fundamentally wrong with it.
    The word I used in the first paragraph is “normal,” and I used that
    term deliberately. If even half of the enlisted lifers I saw were in their
    right minds, that would be a very generous concession. But to remain and embrace
    such a dysfunctional environment requires a bit of insanity and/or desperation.
    And I’m not talking about the “Ha ha, Marines are so zany and wild with
    their silly and fun antics.” Instead, I saw serious indications of
    obsessive compulsives, narcissists, manic depressives and co-dependents. Don’t
    forget the sadists. Their environment is driving them insane. There is no way
    on this planet that the Marine Corps environment can pass as “normal.”

    I realize
    that many a motivator might want to respond to this last assertion by defending
    the chaos of the Marine Corps as a prerequisite for sound training and mental
    preparation in combat. That’s a very creative rationale, but I call bullshit on
    it: smelly, sanctimonious, and self-deluding bullshit. On paper, Marines ply their trade and hone their craft with training, but
    that doesn’t happen in reality. Instead, it is the image of the Marine Corps that is
    polished and maintained for the public to observe, and that requires time-consuming
    formalities that ultimately precludes additional mission-oriented training. The
    result is that every Marine that goes home for leave is a walking advertisement
    for the USMC, and each one that discharges is expected to live by the pledge of
    “Once a Marine, Always a Marine.” Allow me to call that last adage what for it
    is: a cheap form of guilt inducement designed to keep you from criticizing the
    Corps. What other military organization focuses its theme on permanent (though
    unofficial) membership? None that I can think of.

    SNCOs aren’t entirely
    stupid. They know who is going to stick around and who isn’t, and they give
    preferential treatment to the motivators (even if their performance is woefully
    lacking). The moment they discover you’re getting out, you’ve been blacklisted.
    The only thing that virtually  guarantees that you’ll be
    taken care of in the USMC is whether or not you’re “in.” “Are you in, or are you
    out? That is the million dollar question. Are you going to make a career out of
    this, or not? If so, then welcome to the brotherhood. If you get a DUI, we’ll
    do our best to suppress it because we don’t want to ruin your career. But if
    you’re not in, well you can just bugger off and die (but not until we freeze
    your pay and demote you). Semper Fi, Devil Dog. Semper Fi.”

    Thank you for reading, I know it was lengthy.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      This post is amazing! Thank you for taking time out of your day to post this.

      • The Perfect Scapegoat

        Thanks!

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          I added this to the site facebook page. I am hoping to stir some interesting discussions:)

          • The Perfect Scapegoat

            I’m glad to hear that, I hope it helps.  

    • KFleetMarineLife

      You forgot bi-polar.

      Once a Marine, Once is enough.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      You my good sir, have just succeeded in saying everything that I have previously failed to put into words!  That is truly a beautiful piece you’ve written.

      Safety and Peace

      • The Perfect Scapegoat

        Thanks, Ninja.          

  • The Perfect Scapegoat

    I apologize for the messiness and asymmetry of the post below. It looked much neater before I posted it. But I feel better knowing that only two people will end up reading it (if I’m lucky).    

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      No worries! Thank you for sharing.

    • Wjdjfjdio

      No 1 cares how much of a bitch faggot you are shut up

      • The Perfect Scapegoat

        Read my other post. Think. Try to respond intelligently, I know it’s tough. I promise not to correct your grammar and mispelled words, so don’t get scared off on account of that. We’re looking for substantial explanations for why YOU think the Corps has merit outside of combat operations. But perhaps I’m asking for too much. Good luck with all that. Based on the stupidity of your previous comments, you’re going to need it.          

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          Nice response Scapegoat!
          That dude obviously did not read the post. I think it was too long for him LOL. 200 words are the daily read limit for Wjdjfjdio.

  • paleo wannabe

    Reading this website brought to mind a story my senior drill instructor told me and my fellow recruits at MCRD San Diego. Apparently around 1999-2000 a drill instructor got dressed in his dress blues and, with a rifle in his hand, climbed to the top of one of the diving boards at the in door swimming pool, while the recruits stared at him (through peripheral vision of course). When he got to the top he aimed the rifle at his head, and screamed EYEBALLS. Once the recruits responded by turning their heads and saying CLICK SIR, he blew his head off.

    • SSchwellenbach

      Thats fucking crazy!

      • Lance For Life

        A good friend and former senior drill instructor was on deck when that happened. That drill instructor had just been left my his wife. Recruits are not the only ones who get stressed out. I dont hate the Marine Corps. I loved it. But 99 percent of what im reading is real as it gets.

        Lance For Life
        2005-2009
        1st. Bn Alpha Co.

    • DerkaDerpa
      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        yeah thats it

  • Djdjdifj

    is this where all shitbags unite? stop bitching the corps hates you too

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      Last and only chance, be a part of an intelligent discussion, or lose your privileged to be a part of it all together. If you have something to say, you can turn yourself around and say it appropriately. Your choice

    • Tardisnic

      i believe its what one of their fave teacher call the usefull idiots djdjdjifj. they are all foolish. if the usmc disappeard, whod protect them?

      • KFleetMarineLife

        We would defend ourselves. There’s something called the Second Amendment.

      • Madmike19682003

        hopefully someone who can read and write at an adult level.

  • Semper HUH?

    Djdjdifi if you feel that way then why are you here?

  • Jb

    I visited that site. It’s too political. Take out the Iraq was a mistake kind of stuff. That point of view is nothing new. What is needed is comments from people about the realities of the corps. That it’s not join the few the proud the brave, that it can also be join the hoodlums and whoever is in charge is okeydokey with that kind of retard people try to stay away from in real life. Then shock of all, your locked in with them, like prison.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

       the posts that are on the site right now are just for demo purpose because the site is still in development stages. what you see now is temporary

  • Shit bags unite hahaha

    This is what happens when u let gays in the marine corps.. They build a website and bitch, ahhh man I got yelled at today, ah man I woke up a zero 4… U fucks are pathetic. Put down the uniform it’s fucked up you still rate to wear it. You signed the fucking contract but back than you thought you were a little tougher, a little more than a paper bitch. Fucking vaginas

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      First and only warning. Be nice. Your pointless comments do not bother anyone and can be easily removed. 

    • DerkaDerpa

      It’s adorable how trolls like you think calling us gay and shitbags is going to be insulting to us.  It’s cute how trolls like you think we give two fucks, let alone one fuck about what anyone thinks we do and do not rate.  If one’s toughness is demonstrated through mindless boot-licking, then keep it up you big, strong, tough hero.  Us weaklings will just have to settle for autonomy and self-confidence.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    SORRY ABOUT THE DOWNTIME GUYS! The site should be back to normal for the most part. Still working on the speed issues.

  • Madmike19682003

    i year or so ago i saw a army study that showed how the average soldier in a unit spent the time through out the week. it came out to almost 80 hours when you added in field days preparing for inspections,pt,working parties and actual training. you need to have something like that made up to show to potential recruits. as in look how the next 4 years of life is really gonna be spent.

  • Madmike19682003

    this is a question for any one in admin or training. NINJA PUNCH might know the answer to this. for the longest time i have been trying to find any official goverment study on the intelligence of the typical enlisted marine. the pentagon says that enlisted recruits beat the average for civilian youth but i feel this is because of navy and air force recruits. also reservists of all branches seem smarter on average in my experience. but try as i can i cannot find any official study on marines. i feel the truth must hurt. any way get back to me.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Hmm… I don’t know of anything off the top of my head, however I do personally know a marine from my old unit who had an ASVAB score of 33…

      As far as locating a study or any info related to this: Challenge Accepted.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        We can start with a poll and go from there?

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Yeah I’m drawing a blank… I think one of my buddies still has a contact in IPAC, I’ll see if he can find anything, but for right now a poll of the site visitors would be the best means currently at out disposal.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            Alright that sounds like a great first poll lol. How smart do you think the average Marine is? 1 – 10

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Or maybe we could ask for GT scores from those who happen to know them.  I mean frankly from 1-10 I would give the average marine a negative 2.  But a GT score is something that we could actually track and figure out.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            lets do both :) I have an idea to make the 1 – 10 one more fun than serious. still good to have. but for the serious one, i like the GT score idea much better.

          • Madmike19682003

            i have a very strong feeling based on my time as a infantryman that the average gt score for marines is gonna be a lot less than civilians of the same age group. i can’t get the answer anywhere so i think the corps has something to hide. i mean come on guys you know damn well if it was something like 120 plus the marines would advertise the hell out of that.

      • Madmike19682003

         when you say a ASVAB score of 33 i think what that means is he is in the 33 percentile of people who took that test. as in 32 percent did worse and 67 percent did better. a GT score however does roughly correspond to a i.q. score and this is what i am really interested in. however i can’t get the number off the internet. my theory is the truth may look bad for the army and marines especially certain mos groups like infantry. and we all know that anything that makes the corps look bad will get covered up just like anything good is gonna get a lotta air time.

  • NinjaFucked

    I am on restriction right now. Now being on restriction during Christmas is bad enough, but the OOD ( a SSgt) keeps fucking harrasing me and waking me up! I am already being punished, don’t take your anger out on me because your on duty! FUCK YOU! it feels good to say this, i have no one else to tell :(
    merry christmas folks, thank you for the website

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      Dude… Two years ago to this day I was in the exact same situation. Except for the getting woken up part. No lie. Try not to be too mad, all this bullshit will be in your past soon enough. Merry Christmas brother.

  • Cmac853

    I’m just going to say this joining the marine corps was one of the stupidest mistakes I ever made. I enlisted as an 3531 Transpo in 2006. I was doing pretty good, made some friends, hell i even made lcpl ahead of schedule. then comes my deployment. another battalion was short some marines so i was transferred to a new battalion with a bunch of marines i did not know. keep in mind 3531 is not a “combat” mos so you do have to deal with female “superiors.” i transferred in and assigned to the motor pool requisition platoon. this ghetto taco bending ho from the bronx or some shit was my sqd ldr. now im a smoker, so whenever i got done with work me and my buddies would go for a smoke. This slut was always getting into our shit because she was a cpl and me my buddies were lcpls and below. she would bitch and moan about how we shouldn’t smoke in the motor pool and for the most part we brushed her off. (she was one of only three females in the plt.) the funniest thing though was when one of the female marines which was ok by our standards walked up to us and said she saw our sqd. ldr having sex with the motor pool sergeant on more than one occaision. we laughed our asses off. our sqd ldr. next day had me and 3 other marines njp’ed “for all of you that dont know what that means it means shit duty for supposedly leaving some doors unlocked at night. ps were on a heavily guarded base and our gunny was the one who unlocked them . fortunately the deployment went on without incident except for the bitch making sergeant “go figure” by then i was on my way out of the latrine corps. currently im no longer in this sick fraternity and im going to college ‘at least something good came out of it” and taking rotc hopefully where i can earn a commission in the united states army and never again have to serve along side the marines of 2nd Bat. 5th “marines” 
    And for all you kids believing those semper lies from the recruiters or the video games or any of that shit
    heres a bit of info the marines are full of idiots just like you so dont worry you should be able to fit in. just don’t get scared when you have to suck a cock or two to get forward in the marines 

    cpl. disinfranchised
    usmc 2006-2010

    • TimK

      Well said Cpl.

  • SemperFuckThisShit

    female marines are outrageous bitches. They are in fact ugly as shit, but that is not the problem. I wouldn’t normally judge someone on appearance, however female marines piss me off because of the way they all act. Because of the limited number in remote locations where most bases are located, these women are the only ones around. They think they are such hot shit and they act like rude little cunts. It is the fact they are nasty but they get so much attention that makes me mad. These women are obese, have nasty hair, and ripples in their fat fuckin asses yet they act like they are the hottest bitch on the planet. get out of the marine corps and see how much attention your fat ass gets. there won’t be any at all. but these bitches won’t get out. Even that they have been on light duty for over a YEAR and can’t even pass a pft, they still get promoted. and don’t fuckin yell at me to get a haircut when your hair is 2 feet fuckin long. 

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      I was artillery so I did not deal with female Marines on a daily basis. But I am going to have to disagree with the implication that ALL female Marines are bitches.  I bet you there are just as many bitches in the Marine Corps as there are assholes (respectively). Think about it :)

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I can personally attest to 3 female marines who were “one of the guys”.  Made rank by doing their job, didn’t want or accept any special favors from SNCO’s, you could tell a sexist joke to in their presence and they’d laugh harder than any of the guys present.

      Granted, as a general rule I agree with your assessment of female marines, however there are exceptions to the rule out there.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    I made the site a little faster today finally. God damn that was a pain in the ass.

  • Cmac853

    im glad that i found a website like this one. you guys see the truth behind this bullshit. yeah the corps isn’t perfect but it could be a hell of a lot better especially when it comes to the type of people they let in. example
    when i got deployd my unit stayed at Camp Baharia in Iraq. now it was a nice place considering it was some kind of resort or some shit before this all started but as anyone whoever been in the military knows people of the same race usually stick together just like jail “suprising huh”  me and a friend of mine had gone to the px to buy some stuff. suprisingly enough some black guy i think was a pfc or something was being escorted out in tie ties for shoplifting. same day mind you some mexican gang bangers oh im sorry “marines” get into a fight at the dfac. finally to top off a typical down day in a warzone some of my shit gets stolen “i.e. head lamp, and some other items of value. filed a report, nothing happened. i guess the gunnies needed the headlamp to their drug deals outside or take care of other pressing “issues” 

    it wasn’t until after i seperated from the latrine corps that i realized how full of shit it is. i see these fucking recruiters and they’re like fucking sharks just filling people’s heads with so much bullshit. so much so i went back to my old high school and happened to be there on a day that two recruiters were there. i started to dampen their efforts by telling the kids my latrine corps story. the recruiters then started doubting i was ever  a marine and started asking for some proof. i showed them my cac card and then they started threatening me saying i could be disciplined for messing with future recruits. i told them i was no longer in and that they couldn’t do shit to me. they looked like they were about to shit a brick. semper pie piggies  

  • Chesadick

    a fitting piece of art

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      A true piece of art… A true contribution to humanity and history… I salute you sir.

  • swizzlestik

    I have a question.   After 3 weeks in boot camp, my son broke down.  He witnessed physical abuse by the DI’s, etc. and was even assaulted himself.  He is a good kid and has an associates degree.  He really worked hard to get into the Corps.  He lost over 100 pounds and was exceeding the fitness expectation by a long shot.  So he was sent to MHU and told he was having anxiety attacks.  They are processing him (early separation) now.  On one hand, he’s glad because he said it was NOTHING like he was told.  But on the other hand, he feels down on himself.  My question is, if he decides later to enlist in the Army or another branch of service, can he do so?  I was told by his Captain that it would not follow him nor be on a record that was accessible by other branches or the civilian world.  Is that true? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

    • Madmike19682003

      when anyone asks me about enlisting i always say join the reserves or guard cause even if you hate it..relax it’s just part time misery. plus in my experience you find a better class of peoplem in the reserves and guard. due in part to college kids. also NEVER join with a open contract. that is get a guaranteed job in writing. that is infantry,electronics or whatever.. smart guys like him also need to look at becoming a officer whech is much better than the enlisted ranks. check into the new national call to service program i wish i had something like that when i made the stupid mistake of wasting 4 years of my life in the marines. finally no matter what branch he joins a really important thing is this…DO NOT SERVE WITH STUPID PEOPLE. check what the minimum intelligence scores are for a particular job and unit. DO NOT take a job and unit that takes morons with i.q. scores under 100. trust me this can not be stressed enough. violation of that will result in a lotta misery. only serve with smart people. your life will depend on it.

      • swizzlestik

        That’s some GREAT advise.  I will have him read ALL of these posts when he gets home.  You guys are amazing.  Thanks so much.

  • Semper HUH?

    To swizzlestick
    First of all if there was physical abuse then it needs to be reported. My advice is to wright a letter to the Secretary of the Navy and report the abuse to him. If you go through the Marine Corps then it will be either ignored or very little will be done about it. This is something that the Marine Corps does not tolerate but often leaders will do very little about it or to say don’t do enough to prevent it from happening.

    To answer your second question, yes he can enlist in another branch; but it will be up to that service if they will take him due to the anxiety attacks. The other services look at the the Marine Corps as brain washed fanatics so chances are they will understand why he had the attacks. The only way to find out for sure is to talk to an officer recruiter. My advice is for him to go Air Force and see what happens.

    To all my fed up brothern here, this is SSgt Semper HUH?
    Well we are almost done with the holidays for 2011. Many of you will be going back to your units wishing you can just stay home, I know I feel the same. Well return with pride and finish your time in the Corps. I being among the staff ranks know the bull shit every one here is going through.Just remember this, there are never bad subordinaes only bad leaders and the Marine Corps is full of them. Do your job and get out with a honorable discharge. That discharge will look good on every job application you submit. Don’t let these Jack ass for leaders get to you. Many of them are too brain washed to know what their doing and are too stupid to realise that too much pride makes them think irrationally. These are the Marines that are screwing up this orginization and don’t understand the concept of the way it was ment to be. Too many of them abuse their authority and try to justify it with some bull shit excuse. I don’t want anyone here to think that all leaders don’t see the stupidity cause we do. There are ways of fighting back…know this; that the chain of command is not a requirement as per the I.G. it is only recommended. You can skip the entire chain of command and go directly to congress or the Secretary of the Navy. You can write letters and remain anonymous. Don’t listen to all this bullshit from your leaders that using the chain is required because its just that……. bullshit.

    I will be on this site from now until I’m out of the Corps so if any one here needs advise just ask.

    • swizzlestik

      Thanks so much for the advice.  When my son wrote to me about the physical abuse, I immediately contacted his recruiter and raised some hell.  I copied and e-mailed the letters to him that described the abuse.  He forwarded this to his superior and the next day a Lt Colonel was calling me from Parris Island.  I told him flat out…you can push my kid to do his very best, yell at him or give him extra PT or whatever to motivate him, but nobody, and I mean NOBODY puts their f**king hands on my kid.  I don’t care if he’s 22 or 122.  He’s still my kid.  The Lt Colonel agreed and invited me to come down and be a DI because he said I had his speeech downpat.  He had spoken to my son and assured me that he believed him and that an investigation would be done.  My son wrote afterwards that his particular DI had certainly ‘lightened up’ quite a bit.

      At any rate, now it’s a waiting game as he is processed out.  He has been told he should be home by the 5th of January.  If he’s not, I am charging the gates at PI and getting him…end of story.

      My son has high standards, morals and ethics.  He worked VERY hard and trained every day for 2 yrs to lose all that weight and get in top shape.  He also managed to graduate from college with a 3.75 GPA.

      His first choice was the Army, but they kept jerking him around.  So he went with the Corps. 

      I think that he, like thousands of others, bought into the propaganda the recruiters and the media present…you know, The Few, The Proud, etc…It is so glamourized.

      And like marriage or anything else you may choose to endeavor, you never know if it’s ‘for’ you until you actually try it.

      Being the level-headed peson he is, it didn’t take him long to realize he had made a big mistake.  He wrote to me, “Mom, there is NO honor in the torture of the mind and body.  I find no honor here.”

      • JustSomeDude

        try to find out if your son got into trouble for reporting his abuse to you. it happens all the time. if he was punished for reporting abuse, you should use that as ammo for your cause

        • swizzlestik

          I had asked my son that question when he was allowed to call me after I reported this.  He said no.  No one had an inkling and no one had said a word to him about it.  I will ask this question to him again tomorrow when he calls if I don’t forget.  Thank you so much for taking the time to respond.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      @SSgt Semper HUH. Thank you for being a part of this community and looking beyond the name of this site. It is members like you who help show the world that this site is not just a place for dumbass shitbags.
      – Stan

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    To all of my fellows on this site who have seen through the lies and propaganda put forward by our employer:  Happy New Years!  May 2012 bring you a prompt and timely departure from the Corps!

  • swizzlestik

    Just got off the phone with the Lt. Colonel.  He talked to my son last week and told him that regardless of this, he was a fine young man and will go far in life.  He said he told him to ‘build’ on his experience there.  He told me that my son was a very impressive and articulate person.  He also said he told my son that the Marine Corps is not for everyone. Of course as a parent, I am still very worried about my son.  The Lt. Colonel volunteered that he would make sure my son got to call me tomorrow.  He also said that my son should be home this coming week.  I believe the buses only leave on Wednesdays and Thursdays. 

    I know my son left here with high hopes, motivation and dreams.  I am so afraid of what they are sending me back.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.  I don’t mean to sound whiny…I’m not like that at all.  As a matter of fact, I’m one tough lady…but when it comes to my kid…well….

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      Bootcamp is a pretty crazy experience.  They have it down to a science how to break the majority down psychologically and implant instant obedience. Do not worry though. In my experiences, I have noticed that the bootcamp brainwashing goes away over time and sanity begins it’s return. He might seem a little “different” when he gets home. But that is what being terrified 24/7 will do to you. He will probably be back to normal within a few days.
      Thank you for taking the time to post your concerns on my site. This is why it is here.
      – Stan

      • swizzlestik

        Thanks so much Civilian.  I will make sure he reads the posts on this site and that he ‘chimes in’ as well.  I am really anxious to hear EXACTLY what went on and I will make damned sure you folks know as well. 

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      So he’s been there for maybe 5 or 6 weeks now? Is that about right?  Frankly, I feel that your son has received a very rare gift.  In that short time he has learned the truth about the Marine Corps that some who have been in the Corps for years never learn.  Namely that there really and truly IS no honor in the marine corps.  Maybe there was once, but anymore we just ride on the coattails of a legacy that is not ours.

      Honestly, I wouldn’t be too concerned about what they’re sending you back, I would be willing to say with some reasonable certainty, that you’re going to get your son back, but with a loathing and disillusionment with America’s military that is in perfect counterpoise with the motivation he had when he left.

      When he gets back, show him this site.  If he needs to vent, or even just needs to know that there are others out here who feel the same way about the Corps, this is a great place to do it.  If he feels so driven to write a piece about his boot camp experience I’m quite certain that “Civilian” would be willing to host it on the site.

      Safety and Peace be upon you and your son both.

      • swizzlestik

        Thank you Ninja_Punch.  I had planned on and will show him this site.  As a matter of fact I just got off the phone with my son so the Lt Colonel was true to his word, although I thought it would be tomorrow before he would get him to call.  Either way, I am grateful.  Whoever was in the room with him ( a DI ) kept trying to rush him off the phone and that pissed me to no end…I hadn’t planned on having an hour long conversation but he was on the phone 1 minute before this moron was telling him to get off…geesh.  It’s not HIS dime.

        Any-who, thanks so very much again.   I know that’s what happened to my son.  He recognized the BS really quick.  According to his Captn and Sr. DI, my son was actually excelling in the PT, etc.  The Captn said when he was on the ‘deck’ that my son was doing some kind of pull-ups (I forgot what he called them) that are extremely hard to do.  And it’s not that he is lacking in intelliegence nor is he a crybaby.  Hell, he didn’t cry even as a child.  Rarely, if ever.

        According to my son, all of his paper work is done and so he should be on the bus by Wednesday but no later than Thursday.

        I will make sure he sees this site and expresses what he feels, that’s for sure.

    • Madmike19682003

      i have a friend who “dropped out” or whatever you wanna call it out of marine boot camp 20 plus years ago and today stocks shelves at a grocery store. don’t let this define him for the rest of his life. make sure he has goals and sticks to them and not become a quiter. i also know a guywith a bad discharge for something stupid he did and now he has a succesful landscaping career so “failure” in the corps can be overcome. full steam ahead and don’t look back.

      • swizzlestik

        Thanks Madmike19682003.  He already has his AA in Criminal Justice and graduated with a 3.75 GPA.  Not too shabby.  So he is a smart guy.  He mentioned that he may try another branch later but for now I think he is going to go through BLET and become a police officer.  His big dream is to work for a govenment law enforcement agency someday. 

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Have you all heard how much it costs to train a recruit?  What did they tell you $100,000? $1,000,000?  What would you say if I told you $0?

    Think about it, If the D.I.s weren’t being D.I.s they’d be doing their actual MOS’s so they’d be getting paid anyway, the cooks would be making chow for other marines so they’d be getting paid, the recruits are on salary just like us so they’d still be getting paid, the rounds would be shot elsewhere, etc etc.  So all things considered, recruit training doesn’t actually cost the Marine Corps anything, except maybe the paper and ink to keep making new SRBs.

    Now lets look at the money that the Corps SAVES by recruiting.  A 4 year Cpl will make $54,408 in basic pay over a 2 year period (Based on the 2012 Pay Chart).  Meanwhile a brand new Marine, who spends 6 Months as a PVT, 8 Months as a PFC, and 10 Months as a LCpl will make $39,894 over the same 2 year period (Again based on the 2012 Pay Chart).

    That’s a savings of $14,514 over a 2 year period!

    Now let me put this all together for you all.  The Marine Corps uses it’s propaganda machine to recruit highly motivated civilians, who they can pay the bare minimum to do whatever anyone who outranks them says.  They then go about the business of killing that motivation for the next 3 1/2 years.  The result being that the now demotivate marines (Who in most cases have picked up Cpl, or Senior Lance) get out of the Marine Corps, and have their positions filled by another brand new Marine.

    So now that the Marine Corps has successfully driven most of it’s older employees out of the company, it no longer has to give them a pay raise for passing the 4 year mark, and they can continue to pay the bare minimum to the new employees they’ve brought in through their propaganda campaign.

    Do you see it now?  It’s just a business forcing a large-scale employee turnover to reduce costs!  The Marine Corps isn’t stupid!  It’s brilliant!  And it’s figured out that it saves over $7,000 per year for EACH AND EVERY Marine it abuses, degrades, and generally treats like a piece of human shit.

    And so, paradoxically, the best way for a demotivated marine to fuck the Corps over is to reenlist and make them give you a pay raise!  Because if you get out the Corps is just going to have a new marine fill your spot at a fraction of the cost!  (Bearing in mind that I would never recommend reenlistment to anyone)

    I hope I have explained this sufficiently, and in such a way that everyone can understand it.  If you need me to clarify on anything I’ve written please don’t hesitate to ask.

    Safety and Peace

  • Terminal Gunny

    I’ve been on leave for the last two weeks and it has been so nice. I am so not looking forward to going back to work and dealing with all the BS! I can’t stand the Marine Corps and I absolutely hate my job!!!!!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I feel your pain Gunny… I got off 2 weeks of leave last week, it already sucks being back here.

    • swizzlestik

      How much longer do you have to drag the ‘ball and chain’?

  • swizzlestik

    After my call to the Lt. Colonel, my son and ALL the recruits in the separation platoon got to call home and talk for an HOUR and A HALF!  And they are to call back today (Sunday).  My only calls from my son was when he got to the separation platoon and Christmas Day, both of which were RUSHED (only 3-5 minutes).  Apparently, my ‘come to Jesus’ conversation with the Lt Colonel had an impact.

    I told him that the parents and loved ones of the recruits are suffering as well since we don’t know what is going on and each day was pure uneccessary torture for everyone.  I also added that a simple phone call every now and then would certainly boost everyone’s morale thus making the process go more smoothly for everyone concerned.   I added that even death row inmates get to call out as often as they want to provided there is money on their prepaid accounts!  LOL

    He said my son should be leaving this week…so if anything screws that up, I will personally be knocking on the doors of PI, and that my friends, you can believe.  They don’t wanna go there with this mama bear. 

    I’ve had three major spine surgeries  but I can assure you I can still break it down…and dirty. Just ask the U.S. Army and the state of Mississippi.  LOL.

    That said, I still want to thank all you guys for your extreme sacrifice to endure the atrocities and sometimes tasteless duties you must perform regardless of your personal beliefs.  That in itself is outstanding in my opinion.  I know what it’s like to have to ‘do your duty’ in spite of personal feelings of disgust.  Trust me there. So I truly appreciate all of you on many levels.

    I wish each and everyone of you a safe, healthy and prosperous New Year.  And I truly hope that all of you get some kind of closure when your Marine careers are over.  At the end of the day, we cannot allow things that are negative to define who we truly are inside.  If we do, then they will have won the war.

    Godspeed.

    • Madmike19682003

      to anyone on this site who has never served in the marines and is wondering what recruit training is really like the best way i can sum it up is 13 days of intense military training shoved into 13 weeks. almost all of recruit training is brainwashing,petty harrasment,hurry up and wait,close order drill and manual of arms followed by working/janitorial duties which are topped off with 8 DAYS scrubbing pots and pans in the chow hall. very little time is actually devoted to learning how to fight and win on the battlefield(about 5 weeks tops) and even when you are doing that the corps screws it up by training you at a grade school level. seriously folks the marines let you join with a i.q. of 80 what kind of “elite” unit does that? the correct answer is none.

      • swizzlestik

        Just got off the phone with my son.  Got to talk for 40 minutes.  He said the morale was a whole lot better among his peers.  Thank God. I feel an unique attachment to all of the guys there who are going through this hell and with the folks here on this website.

        I truly believe you all were a godsend to me and will be to my son.  He is anxiousto see this site and says he has a lot to say when he gets the opportunity.  He also added that he was grateful this site exists and that there are others who understand his dliemma. 

        I read a couple of the posts…and yours above Madmike19682003…and he laughed like…yeah…that’s a VERYaccurate description.  He was amazed that others felt this way as well.  I think it gave him more confidence in his decision to leave the Corps and confidence in himself.  So my hat is off to all of you!   I will never be able to articulate how much you guys mean to me.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          It is truly an honor and privilege (I do not use either word lightly) to be able to help you and your son, even if it is in this limited fashion.  The following is directed to your son whenever he gets to read this:

          Please, don’t ever let yourself start thinking “Oh it wasn’t that bad.”  Because I’m sure, as you know, that it was that bad.  I realize that you have very little to become nostalgic over, but don’t give in to the desire to sugar coat your experience.

          I’ve seen so many people say they hate the Marine Corps, and then get out and a couple months later I see them on facebook talking about how great the Marine Corps is and it just makes me sick.  It’s like they leave and then completely forget why they left, that there was something about it that was so intolerable that they couldn’t bear the thought of continuing to do it.

          You had the good fortune to learn the truth early.  Take advantage of that.  It took me 2 years to learn what you’ve learned in only a couple months.  So I bide my time, waiting for my last 7 months to be up, until I too can be free.

          Safety and Peace

          • swizzlestik

            Thanks Ninja_Punch.  I can assure you he will read this ASAP.  May I ask how long you have been in?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            3 years, 5 months.

          • swizzlestik

            Thanks…and I think we have a troll on the site…lol (see above)

  • Chorizo12

    what i hate the most about the corps is the ass kissing that goes on. i would say that the marine corps is comprised of 80% ass kissers 20% retarded leaders. i’m a reservist but still I think joining the Corps especially the New Jersey “Corps” was the worst decision I ever made. Been in for 3 years now and the first chance I get to run Im going to take it. And boot camp, fucking hated cq and retarded mexican drill instructors and fucking mopping a floor a 330 in the morning. I also think that there is black magic at work in the marines. anyone whos been there knows what im talking about.

    lcpl. ferrante
    6th Comms Bn.
    BK “navy” yard 

    • JustSomeGuy

      Please do not run! Please! Yes, the USMC is fucking gay and full of bullshit. What is even more bullshit is that it is nearly impossible to do anything about it without an end of contract.
      I do not know how much time you have left, but running will ruin the glory of leaving the USMC. Eventually they are going to catch you, and until they do, you will always have in the back of your mind that you are on the run. If you wait it out until your contract is over, you will feel much better in the long run. You might have more money too ;)

    • swizzlestik

      I’m going to assume you mean you are going to ‘run’ when your contract is up! LOL.  Thank God, my son came to his senses during the first couple of week of boot camp BEFORE getting stuck for 4 years.  My best wishes for you Chorizo12. 

  • Uadushebag

    How about all of you stop Bitching. If you enlisted then man the fuck up. If your kid enlisted then stop babying him. This dushebag down there called ”the Lt. Colonel”  thats why your son is a pussy . he can’t hack it in my beloved Corps, cant even hack it in boot camp. so what happens? dady calls and saves the day. pussy ass faggot bitches.

    • swizzlestik

      This doesn’t bear a response, however from what I gathered from your posts, you are an illiterate, angry, disillusioned and brain-washed young man who needs sympathy and a whole lot of love. 

      The irony is that if you are truly a member of the military, then you defend our rights to voice our opinions.  So why should you be angry about something you helped make possible?

      My second observation and advice is to seek the use of a spell checker or dikshunary (sic) before you preach YOUR gospel.   You will be much more respected.

      Third, I think the Lt. Colonel is an enlightened man when it comes to the Corps and its inner workings but just can’t say it publicly.  Chances are, he’s had more years of experience that you my dear sir…or m’am.

      Fourth, my son is more of a man than you will ever be if you live to be 100 years.  I am most assured of that fact.  He would never disrespect me or anyone else the way you are choosing to do.

      Pussy?  Not on YOUR cheap counterfeit uneducated disrespectful life.  My son is a part of me and I can attest to the fact that even though I am a female, I am definitely NOT a ‘pussy’ either. 

      Your beloved Corps?  I suggest you drop the Full Metal Jacket dialogue and come up with something unique and fresh. 

      Hack?  I also sincerely suggest you ‘hack’ your way back into the jungle of oblivion and stay there with the others, who like you, cannot accept reality.

      I truly hope you find some solace somewhere and find a different ’cause’ to champion.  Suffice it to say, your efforts would be better appreciated elsewhere.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      First and only warning.  Be polite and be part of a useful conversation or your comments and the privilege of using this website will be revoked. By the way, your other two comments have already been removed.

      • swizzlestik

        Actually Ninja_Punch, I find him rather amusing. Sort of like one of those bubble-popping games you find online.

  • swizzlestik

    Another question here for everyone (active and former Marines).  Well actually two questions:

    1. What was the reason(s) you joined the Marines?

    2. What was the moment(s) of truth for you that made you see the proverbial ‘light’?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I honestly don’t think I ever woke up one morning and said “You know, I think I’m going to join the Marines today.”  I think what ended up making me join was, during my senior year of high school, when I saw the line on all of the scholarship applications where I was supposed to fill out what my major was going to be, and I didn’t have a clue what on earth to put there, and then I looked through my mail and there was a marine corps postcard that you could fill out if you were interested in joining, and I could fill out every line off the top of my head.

      It seems really stupid looking back on it, but I think I joined because I had no direction and didn’t really know where to start looking for one.

      My “moment of truth” as you put it can be found by following the link below.
      http://www.fleetmarinelife.com/?p=589

      • swizzlestik

        Dear God.  I don’t, for the love of life, know how you kept your sanity.  I’m still trying to absorbed and process what you wrote on the other site.  In my opinion that is akin to a contract murder since we were in essence paying the Taliban to murder our guys.  

        I thought maybe, just maybe there was some redeeming revelation and that someone had one scintilla of COMMON SENSE.

        Apparently, I stand corrected.

        Yes, and this is not because my son chose to leave, but the Corps just as any other mainstream product is glamourized and hyped so well that even the most season magician couldn’t get past the smoke and mirrors.

        If you knew the history of my life (and perhaps I will relate it later if anyone cares to know), then you would know that it’s very hard to sell me on much of anything.  During my career, I had to belly crawl and dodge live rounds to get to my patients. So this isn’t my first ‘rodeo’ in life.  I had many discussions with my son about the lies and the pretty pictures painted and fostered by a disillusioned few who had bought into the hype and glory.  There are people/groups in our society that truly believe that you CAN pick up a turd by the ‘clean end’ when there is no such animal.  I told him that he was to expect the unexpected and to be prepared.

        He later told me in a letter that nothing could have prepared him or anyone for the reality check he received.   He also stated he has learned never to take anything for granted in life.  so if nothing else, his brief experience enlightened him in that aspect.

        I am anxious to hear, verbatim, his story.  Thank you for yours!

        • Uradushebag

          You had to doge live rounds huh? Bullshit. you aleady said you were a woman. no females in combat.

          • swizzlestik

            Never said I was in combat my dear sir.  There are other careers in this world that take ‘balls and guts’ to do and yes, I dodged bullets and once upon a time had a 12 gauge shotgun placed to my temple by a psycho and the trigger was pulled. It misfired.

            And I can assure you that just because I am a female, doesn’t mean I couldn’t take a life.  Are you serious?

            I’d stack up against you any day of the week that ends in ‘y’.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          I honestly kept my sanity by just focusing on getting out of afghanistan, and then when I got back I found this site and poured myself in to it.  Psychology calls it “Undoing”.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undoing_(psychology)

          • swizzlestik

            I am very familiar with ‘undoing’.  I have a degree in Criminal Justice and was working on my BS in Psych until I took a break. 

            Undoing is critical for healing.  The next step is defining, re-adapting, acceptance and rebuilding.

            Looks like you are well on your way.

    • Uradushebag

       Expand You are all useless. If you don’t have the sack to become a Marine, then don’t join. Don’t enlist and then cry about how hard it is, don’t have mommy and daddy call their congressman or your command and try to save you. Life in the Marine Corps is hard because it takes a hard man to take a life. We are rough men who live a rough life so that America can be free. If your pantywaist  kid cant hack it then we don’t want him. Oh and for ninja punch. I bet you were or are a pog. you don’t even rate that Marine Corp emblem you hang upside down on your profile.

      • swizzlestik

        Useless? I don’t recall asking for your arm-chair, backyard analysis, advice or opinion of my character and I’m almost positive that no one else did either. Your uninformed and inept opinion doesn’t define anyone here although, if you keep it civil, is welcomed, I’m sure.

        Darlin’, you don’t know HARD until you’ve walked in my shoes and it didn’t take a Marine or a man to endure what I’ve been through and accomplished. 

        Not sure what a ‘pog’ is but given your spelling history here, suffice it to say it is an acronym for something you consider distasteful.

        I would truly love to know how anyone is supposed to automatically KNOW that the Marines or any job is ‘not’ for them if they aren’t given the opportunity to try. A person can only develop a true opinion when they experience something first-hand. Being a Marine, a construction worker, a paramedic or a waitress is just like any other choice in life…certain careers/jobs aren’t ‘for’ everyone. But you have to get your feet wet to learn a lesson and truly appreciate what you’ve gotten yourself into.

        If the Marine Corps is for you, then Oorah…Semper Fi and so forth. I’m a happy camper for you and yours. No doubt.

        While I understand your defense of your personal beliefs, I don’t understand why you feel it necessary to verbally assault people that you don’t know at all simply because their views ‘differ’ from your view. Aren’t you ‘man’ enough to accept those differences and still respect a person even though they don’t live by the gospel according to you? It takes a REAL ‘man’ to maturely comprehend, process and utilize this concept. I’d bet the farm that you really don’t have a full grasp of the gravity of the reason you chose to do so.

        You have NEVER walked in my or their shoes. Therefore it would be unfathomable for you to even begin to understand why each one of us has developed their own opinions about the Corps.

        I truly appreciate and respect our military, regardless of the branch.  I consider some of them innocent victims of the propoganda that is constantly fueled by people like yourself.  I understand and appreciate their sacrifice and committment even though it may be because of the hype they bought into. I would defend and sacrifice myself for any one of you, not because you belong to a military organization, but because of the love I have for my fellowman…period.

        Could I look into a person’s eyes and take their life?  Damned skippy, if I felt imminent danger and was protecting myself or an innocent person.  In a heartbeat.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          POG is “Personnel Other than Grunt” and refers to anyone who isn’t in the infantry.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      I joined because I was 18 and I thought I had no where else to go and no direction.

      I realized the bullshit immediately after arriving in my permanent unit in the “fleet”.

      May I ask how you heard of our site?

      • swizzlestik

        Thank you Civilian.  I found this site when I think I was googling “truth about Marine Corps”.  I know I was seeking true personal views from people who had experienced the Corps and were ready to let the civilian world know what was behind the dress blues.

        What was the reason or reasons you immediately realized the BS after arriving at your unit (fleet)?  In other words, what was the defining moment that made you twist your face up in disgust, if you will?

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          There was no defining moment. I noticed that I was surrounded by a bunch of brain washed morons right away.

          I guess I learned more as the years went by.
          At year one I was in the middle of a deployment and I tried not to focus on the Marine Corps bullshit as much as being alert and thinking about coming home.

          Year 2, 3, and 4 were the worst. I was stuck on base those last three years and I had to deal with hundreds of bosses that had no fucking clue. As my end of contract drew closer time seemed to get slower and the Marine Corps seemed to get shittier.

          The day I left the Marine Corps I took to I-5 North home on a late Thursday night dealing with the worst traffic ever.  The worst! I was lucky to be from Orange County so my home was only an hour away from base. It took me three times longer to drive home, but I did not care! It was the best worst traffic I had ever driven in! I plugged in my iPhone and listed to the song “Free Bird” by Lynyrd Skynyrd probably about 15 times lol. 

          As soon as I got home, I took my family out to dinner and we had one of the most pleasant times together.  Sometime during the drive home I decided that I dealt with so much abuse and mistreatment from the Marine Corps that there  was no way I could let the Corps get away with it. I thought about how I wanted hold the USMC accountable for a few days and eventually decided to make this website. 

          • swizzlestik

            Awesome and good for you.  There’s a lot of things that go on ‘behind the scenes’ in the civilian world as well.  As a paramedic I was privy to see doctors, nurses and other medical personnel do some underhanded, unethical things and told to keep my mouth shut.

            I did…but only for awhile.  I am planning on writing a book based on my life and my experiences. This will be a part of my ‘undoing’ as Ninja_Punch referred to it in an earlier post.  I want folks to know what really happens sometimes when their loved one’s life is in another person’s hands.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            Writing a book huh? Now that is a skill I wish I had. I suck at writing!

          • swizzlestik

            Not true.  From my observation you’ve done a splendid job writing on this site.  Like anything else, it comes from inside.  You can do it and should consider it.

            I’m no Einstein or John Grisham myself, but I figure if some of these lame celebrities can do it, so can I.

            I plan to do an audio recording just like I am sitting and telling someone my story face-to-face, then transcribing it.

            I never fought on foreign soil, but I can assure you, I have my own war stories to tell.

    • Madmike19682003

      1.i was lonely and kinda lost so i dropped out of school to do it. i thought it would be a adventure and toughen me up,plus let me pay for school. and to be honest i really do think everyone should in some way have to contribute to americas national defense. even if i was rich i would still serve but i would have done it totally in a different way. i would have joined the reserves  or guard,maybe done rotc and served as a officer.
      2.i started having second thoughts when i was doing my physicals and mental tests. the people around me seemed so low class or at least blue collar and that was a shock for me as i came from a upper middle class background. my dad is a retired doctor and i grew up around doctors so i know what one is supposed to look like and the guy doing the tests said he was a doctor but didn’t deserve the title. and that is me being polite. the next part was me flying to south carolina and the other recruits looked to me like the absolute ass end of american society. i know the pentagon likes to say recruits are a fair representation of american society but i feel that is because of air force and navy recruits artificially raising the average. after that i got to boot camp and was horrified at the pathetic state of training we received. it was conducted at a grade school level as they trained us like idiots. it seemed mostly to be just a dehumanizing process to make us lose all sense of identity,self respect and self worth. that was it for boot camp and infantry school. the final straw was when i arrived at my new unit after completing training the abuse i suffered at the hands of my fellow marines caused me to lose all hope for the corps and just concentrate on doing my time like a prison inmate.

      • swizzlestik

        Madmike19682003, thanks for your response and for being so candid.  I think my son’s doubts began as a poolie when those around him seemed less than average in intelligence as well as motivation, etc.  He was ‘put in charge’ of the poolies quite often by his recruiters who must have felt it was beneath them to call all the recruits every day or week and keep track of them and motivate them.

        When one of the newer recruiters heard my son was coming home early, his jaw, as well as all the recruiters who knew my son in other cities, hit the floor.  Facing the recruiter he stated to me, “My God, Smith* (not real last name) was the one that kept everything together.  He was the ‘talk’ of ALL the recruiters from Timbuktoo* to Bum F’ed Egypt*. He excelled at everything.”

        As in earlier posts, my son witnessed and was even assaulted himself by the DI’s.  He wrote about it in a letter and being the mama bear I am, I went ballistic…period.  Now some may see it as ‘mommy babying her little boy’ and personally I don’t give a flying fritter what anyone thinks.  No one, but NO ONE puts there hands on my loved ones, especially my kid. 

        I let the people at Parris Island no in no uncertain terms that my foot would be up someone’s ass to the hip if something wasn’t done about this and/or if my son or anyone’s son was touched again.  Capiche?

        My son has not felt as though he should speak freely yet over the phone about other things that went on because he didn’t know if the calls were recorded, etc.  But he assures me that even in his brief stay, he has much to tell.

        My son wrote that he was NOT going to stay and become a mindless puppet or even pretend to be one.  Personally, and not because he is MY son, but I think that he was one of the fortunate few that didn’t need a ton of bricks to hit him for 13 weeks to see the light. 

        Please don’t feel obligated to answer, but I am a bit curious as to what sort of abuse was at the hands of your ‘fellow Marines’? And funny you refer to ‘prison inmate’ because my son said the same thing…believe it or not, it’s not. You want to know why? Because inmates have more RIGHTS than the military. I know because I do legal work fighting injustice in another state and I talk to death row inmates and have visited them on many occassions.

        And by the way, true direction in life comes from within oneself. If a person feels lost, they have to begin to find themselves not by the influence or direction of an organization but from inside the core of their very soul. One just has to challenge themselves to keep looking within and eventually they will find it.

        • Madmike19682003

          you learn fast while serving in the marines that if you leave a wall locker unlocked or turn your back on your property you will get robbed. also when any new marine hits a infantry unit you can expect to get beaten up a number of times. and like all bullies they will not have the guts to do it one on one. it’s gonna be you versus a couple of guys. i’ve been on the end of beatings that in a civilian company would have made me a millionaire after the lawsuit. also as the low man on the totem pole you will be forced to do every lame job that comes down the road,you will have all sorts of mean tricks pulled on you and if you say you refuse to take part in a initiation or hazing ceremony they will use violence or the threat of violence to get you to to play along. all in all great training if you plan to go to prison and end up in general population.

          • swizzlestik

            Marine Corps = Down and dirty common gang bangers.  Did I get that right?  Isn’t that what they do?  Beat a guy if he doesn’t ‘follow the mindless thug leader’?

            I love the education I’m getting here. 

          • Madmike19682003

            there is some truth to that. my mom was a county lawyer so i knew a bit about law enforcement growing up and more than a few marines will show evidence of past gang membership or criminal tendancies. i went through bootcamp with 2 guys who turned out to be drug dealers who killed a competitor and later got arrested while serving in the phillipines. i could tell all kinds of crazy stories about guys boasting of illegal stuff they did.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        I can relate to what you say about even the rich joining the military. I did just that. My dad had been a successful multimillionaire since I was around 4 or 5 years old. I could have gone to any college in the country for as long as I wanted lol.

         But I was a dumb ass and decided that “going to war” would help me grow stronger and more self aware. I look back and see how much more successful I would have been had I not joined the Corps.

        Stupid 18 year old brain…

  • Uradushebag

    You are all useless. If you don’t have the sack to become a Marine, then don’t join. Don’t enlist and then cry about how hard it is, don’t have mommy and daddy call their congressman or your command and try to save you. Life in the Marine Corps is hard because it takes a hard man to take a life. We are rough men who live a rough life so that America can be free. If your pantywaist  kid cant hack it then we don’t want him. Oh and for ninja punch. I bet you were or are a pog. you don’t even rate that Marine Corp emblem you hang upside down on your profile.

    • swizzlestik

      Sir, if you would spend more time getting an education and learning how to become a gentleman, you would come across as something ‘intelligent’ rather than a single cell parasite.

      By the way, sir. You have an extremely high deficit when it comes to representing your ‘beloved Corps’…

      You know…honor, integrity, etc. You might want to recycle yourself so that you can develop a greater appreciation for your fellowman, country and what it is ‘supposed’ to represent.

      And while I am spanking your a@@, I don’t give a rat’s patootie if my son is 20 years old or 120 years old. He is STILL my son. What kind of parent would I have been if I had ignored his pain and concerns? Perhaps you have never had the honor and privilege of having a child of your own. But I love my son, my only child, unconditionally and I, as parent, will NEVER abandon him like his father did so many years ago. You talk so much about everything ‘hard’ taking a man to accomplish but it takes a hard person, a tough person, a brave person,a determined person and a loving person to raise a child ALONE.

      It is or will be one of the toughest jobs you will ever have if you do it correctly.

      That my friend, is honor, integrity and committment.

      I wish you well.

      P.S. Ninja_Punch can hang the EGA upside down, side-winded or any other position he choses to because it is his right that is guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. You may want to scan over that. It’s a good read.

      So keep sticking your shiny hieny in the air for me to swat ’cause I can do this ’til the cows come home Skippy.

    • Madmike19682003

      “it takes a hard man to take a life”? get real any loser can do that d bag,just read the morning paper after you finish with the comics or watch the nightly news when they talk about some ;loser who can’t handle life decides to shoot up a store. by the way d bag i served 4 years in this sorry ass gun club and got out with a honorable and for your info i was a grunt. life in the marine corps is hard because we are defending a government agency not america. sheesh we haven’t done that since 1945. i spent 4 years as a janitor so one lifer could suck another lifer off for a promotion. all we did was stand inspection after inspection and go through the motions to make the marines look like less of a waste of tax dollars. and also i have had civilian jobs tougher physically than parris island so give me a break on how tough it was. i bet you couldn’t make the high school sports team and got beat up a lot so now you have something to prove.

    • DerkaDerpa

      Oh noes!  People not falling all over themselves to fellate your beloved corps!  Surely this is an outrage worse than the Holocaust.  By the way, junior, I found this picture of you.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Let the record show:  For failure to remain polite after being warned, and repeatedly verbally attacking “Swizzlestik”, myself, and other members of the site, “Uradushebag” has had his ability to post on this site revoked.

    Oh and “Swizzlestik”, sorry about killing your pet troll, but if people can’t voice their opinions politely, then we really don’t want to hear from him on this site.

    • swizzlestik

      Awww geesh.  Just when I was becoming rather fond of the little critter.  I think I held my own pretty well.  What is the word I’m looking for?

      Ahhh…yes, outstanding!

      But it’s okay. I’ve had mesquitos that had a more adverse affect than he did.

  • disxrecruit86

    There’s days where I wonder if it was all ever worth it. I enlisted rather late at the age of 22, but I never for a second doubt that this was a huge mistake. I always thought that this place was an establishment of “elite” warriors… Well what these 3 years have thought me is, how fast can you suck and how much you can swallow. When I was a Technician @ BMW, I would occasionally see that one desk jockey.But everywhere i go there’s always more then one it’s insane. Anyways It’s a shitty establishment, and a poor excuse of an organization. The only thing to seem to get right here is making people miserable or fucking up peoples lives. Only good thing that came out of this was the GI bill (but that can come from any branch) and tri-care but i’ll gladly pay for cobra when i get out. I’d like to say fuck that gunny that called me a whiner after i put in 10 hrs + of work a day to get those rosters right, i hope you die you old fuck, and that 27 year old sgt that told me i don’t know anything about life. Bitch I’m 25 with a wife and kid and working on a degree in. Computer Science. This fucking Sgt. never knew a day in the civilian world I hope he gets raped by a deranged rhino while he sleeps.

    • swizzlestik

      So let me get this right.  A 27 year old tells you, a 25 year old with a family and working on a degree, that you don’t know anything about life?  Clearly this guy is out of touch with reality with not only himself but the world in general.  But you have to remember, he is one of the ones who, in spite of the daily BS was either unable to grasp the truth or was well on his way to being a space cadet long before he joined the Corps. 

      I’m glad you’ve held your head up high and are continuing to excel in your life. This not only benefits you but your family as well.  This in itself speaks volumes about your maturity and committment to succeed in life. I wish you well. 

      As for the Sgt, when he gets old and retires from the Corps, he will be the old fart sitting around a checker board at Cracker Barrel telling his war stories to anyone that cares to listen and YOU will be the one reaping a golden harvest form the seeds you worked so hard to sow.

      And…here’s his rhino!

    • DerkaDerpa

      I hear you, man.  I enlisted at 22 with a BA because wasn’t sure about making it a career.  I knew that if I was going to be a lifer, I wanted to be a mustang.  The next thing I know I’m in the fleet with someone younger than me telling me how to do my job wrong.  I was 25 with a 22 year-old Sgt trying to tell me about how life work.  Yeah, someone who joined at 18 to avoid life without a safety net and sucked dick for rank really rates to tell me how life work.  Hell, I had a Lt. four years my junior trying to groom me for leadership.  I hope those two shit stains get purged in the draw down, and have to work for a living.  I know the Sgt can’t handle college.  She failed the MOS she lat-moved to at least four time.  I’m not kidding.  They just kept rolling her back into class.  I know the Lt. can’t handle the real world.  He thinks staying until 7pm twiddling thumbs equals productivity.

      Sorry to piggy-back on your rant, but you’re hammering the same nails that I’ve been hammering in my off-line rants.  What sucks is I could have gotten my GI Bill through any other service.  What sucks more is knowing that any other service would have probably allowed me tuition assistance to start my master’s degree while I was in.  Fuck you very much USMC.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    I was going to join the United States Marine Corps, but then i took an arrow to the knee.

    • DerkaDerpa

      I used to be an adventurer like you, but I decided to settle down, buy a bit of land, get married, start a family and work a meaningful job.  I don’t miss adventuring one bit.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    Added a new “Stories” page. To start it off I searched the 750+ comments in Anonymous Discussion and picked out some of my favorite comments (both good and bad).

    The purpose of the Stories page is to encourage people to share their experiences that they had in the Marine Corps. The more stories we can get up the better. Every story is indexed in a way so search engines like google, yahoo, and msn, can easily find them.

    If you have a story you want to share I would love to use it! Lets have em

  • Chorizo12

    im sorry but im tired of all these guys who post up stories and us “real” veterans can see who the phonies are. im willing to scan my cac card to prove i was in but how many of you trolls that defend the marine corps as if it was your own can prove your membership.

  • NINJA_PUNCH
    • swizzlestik

      Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.  Jesus, Mary and Joseph. The article and video are profound and moving.  It moved me to tears.  My heart goes out to all of you on so many levels.  I am so sorry anyone had to endure these atrocities and feel such inner pain such as that young man.

      Thanks for sharing Ninja_Punch.  If this doesn’t take the shine off of the brass buttons and buckles on dress blues or any uniform, I don’t know what will.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      This site is totally going to promote that article. Thanks for sharing that man!

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        Any time.  In that article there was a link to another article which compares the techniques used in recruit training to common markers of domestic abuse.  It was really quite fascinating.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          Saw them both, got permission for both. Thanks again!

        • Madmike19682003

          if you take psyche classes in college they will talk about the principles used to brainwash people in a cult like scientology,heavens gate or the peoples temple. read them it describes marine recruit training to a T. basically you beat people down and try to make them think they are total losers and the only way they can become a worthwhile person is to become exactly like the other cult members. you must surrender all personal identity and totally submit to the leadership. you have chants and routines that are mindless and repetitive which are designed to destroy individuality and willpower.. total seperation from friends and family as they might be a bad influence and remind you of your old life. plus you can’t “serve 2 masters”. also if someone dares criticise or question the leadership than that person is immediately attacked on a personal level. for instance scientologists often accuse critics of crimes against children. sound familiar? it’s like my previous criticism of marine recruit training….just stop and think for a minute…how much of the 13 weeks of recruit training was actually learning to fight and defend america? answer very goddamn little.

  • SoSalty

    I heard something about VERP being extended to a whole year early, I’ve searched everywhere but can’t find a MARADMIN to back this up…could it possibly have been in the Marine Times…

  • SEMPERPIE

    i heard all new female marines are required to test out the new M985A1 Razorblade. In response to the increased female presence on the battlefield the marines have come up with a weapon so deadly it makes north koreans wish they were costa ricans. the M985A1 Razorblade is inserted into the vagina upon enemy capture. due to the increased risk of rape and interrogation female marines must use the the razorblade to mess up the enemy’s johnsons’ and evade anal intrusion by using the hemoroids camouflage kit which makes the female marine’s asshole look like the asshole of a 40 year old Boston post office worker. upon castration female marines are expected to make to ultimate sacrifice and slit their throats in keeping with the marine corps tradition. who said female cant be hardliners =)

    • swizzlestik

      Alrighty then…I think.

  • okinawa inmate

    well i got a doozy for you guys..so the past 2 months of my life have been ok..just the same old shit just a different toilet..well heres what happend this weekend and why im in trouble again..so 2 months ago i picked up and got moved into this room with this dude but he was away at boat school so i moved some of the furniture around to fit in a new rack and ive been in there for a few months and made it my own
     
    well before my roommate got back i typed out a list of 12 rules for the room..the funniest shit ever..it was all just a joke, like heres rule #12 “# 12) no sitting in the kings chair. you are not king therefore this eliminates any possibilities of you sitting in the kings chair.” ok so if you cant see that this is all just a joke then you must be a marine..before i sold my soul i use to take life as a joke..i loved being funny and laughing and i loved doing funny things..and here i am getting in trouble for something so funny..i mean these rules were hilarious..if i had read them i would have busted up laughing..its just sad that im in trouble for some good humor..they corps has taken my identity..i use to have fun in life and enjoy things..now im bitter and angry at the world..and some times i find the old me and start doin something funny and then here comes the green weenie to beat that shit back in..when i get around my wife i feel like an old man with no personality..shes full of life and just like the old me..what am i now? just an uptight marine that cant let loose..marines are bitter lifesless people..i do know tho that on day ill get it all back..in fact ill finally be states side in 2 months
     
    wheres that guy K at? hes needs to make a comedy about how there is no sense of humor in the corps..even my roommate is saying it was a joke..he even got it..its all bc some body found the paper and turned it in
     
    “no sense of humor since 1775″

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      K is around and working his butt off to make you guys laugh. Don’t you worry. K always tells me that the Marine Corps is a comedy, and that it writes it’s self. Your situation is exactly that! If you think about it, what was supposed to be a joke turned out to be a huge misunderstanding which lead to consequences. But the end result is still funny! I think about how the Marine Corps cannot see this and I.. Laugh! 

      I am not trying to make fun of your situation, just looking at it from a different perspective. If I were in your shoes I would have been furious. Thank you for sharing your story. I will be adding it to our stories section of the website.

      • okinawa inmate

        lol yea its all a big joke so i do laugh a lot..you wouldnt believe just how much wors my situation got..its ok..18 months left to go..2 on oki

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      here you go okinawa inmate http://www.usmcsolutions.com/archives/599

    • KFleetMarineLife

      I’m always here and watching.

      If you’d like to draw or write something for my website, go for it. I’m always up for new stuff. The Marine Corps is one big improv’d black comedy and we are the unwitting actors. It’s not that hard to make comics. I just think about past humorous experiences and then draw about them. Anything can be made to be funny. I drew a comic about a Marine committing suicide, and many Marines that I knew thought it was hilarious. What inspired me to draw that comic? It’s because another Marine told me that’s how he would kill himself if the higher ups cut off our alcohol supply in Okinawa.

      It seems messed up to be writing about this stuff, but Marines make jokes about messed up stuff ALL the time.

      Working my butt off? Haha, sure I guess? I only spend about an hour per comic/blog post. And I use MS Paint so I ain’t exactly going for quality.

      Anyways, what is your favorite comic, Okinawa Inmate?

      • swizzlestik

        When I was a paramedic, we used something called ‘Gallows Humor’.  The general public wouldn’t understand why or how we saw humor in our work which was often very gory.  It’s how we kept our sanity.

        I have never been a member of the military but it’s still basically the same psychologically. 

        To okinawainmate, don’t lose your sense of humor…ever.  It is imperative to survival in this world. I suppose you just have to choose your targets more carefully.  It’s a shame these morons can’t take a joke.  I mean afterall, aren’t there more important issues in the world they could spend their time pissing and moaning about?

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          Why do they not deal with the more important issues? This is a question I think most Marines ask themselves everyday.

          • swizzlestik

            Oh I forgot, they were dealing with something of extreme importance.  Rolling the sleeves down.  My bad.  LOL

        • okinawa inmate

          thank you..its nice to hear some people who understand me

          • swizzlestik

            okinawa inmate, I understand you better than you may know. 

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        K. You need to give yourself more credit.

        • KFleetMarineLife

          Well I have made 124 comics so far so that means I have spent at least 124 hours. Making my website has been therapeutic for me and I’m sure that my website and your website has been therapeutic for others. I’ve had a lot of things to say about this organization that I once admired. I figured that the average person doesn’t really like reading so I made the comics.

          The comics were created as an easy way to help the average time-crunched Marine laugh and think. And if the Marine has a few moments of his time, he can read the usually negative blog that follows the comics.

          Anything can be made to be funny.

      • okinawa inmate

        i would love to write something but i cant draw..i can however give you good ideas and let you do the creative part..there are some stories that would be hilarious that ive thought of..

        my favorite comic? hmm..i like them all..i love anyone pertaining to oki obviously..like the one about SNCO’s driving past you in a car while its pissing rain on you..that was hilarious..i mean they are all wonderful..in fact i got one of them saved as my background on my computer at work..it doesnt go over too well but it makes me laugh my ass off

        i can tell you my ideas if you would like..oh you so gotta do a pros/cons one..thatd be awesome…just let me know

  • swizzlestik

    My son  didn’t call tonight so that only leaves tomorrow for him to call if he is to leave this week.  His paperwork as completed LAST week.  He said some goon put one of his documents in the WRONG sleeve but finally got it in the RIGHT place.  He said they tried to get him to sign off again on it and he wouldn’t because that may delay him leaving.

    If I don’t get a call from him tomorrow, Katy bar the door ’cause I’m storming the shores of Parris Island.

    They can do it the easy way…or the hard way.  Mama ain’t playin’.

    • Madmike19682003

      out of curiosity will he be flying home or coming by bus? i always wondered what the corps did to people who did not complete the training for whatever reason.

      • swizzlestik

        Hi Madmike19682003,

        He is supposed to be taken to the local civilian bus terminal. They pay for his ticket.  However, it will take 14 hours plus on the bus.  It is only a 6 hour or so drive for me.  So I am picking him up at the bus terminal then going to Myrtle Beach for a few days to lower our stress levels.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          I like your style :)

          • swizzlestik

            Well thank you kind sir!  My ‘style’ comes from years of living through BS and rising above it by using it as fodder.  They may have won the battle but I’ll be damned if they’ll win the war.

        • Madmike19682003

          i knew a guy who got kicked out of boot camp for fighting a drill instructor who attacked him. after he was home for a few weeks the marines sent him a letter wich he first threw away later when curiosity got the better of him he opened it and found it was a government paycheck for his time at parris island!lol so don’t throw anything away the corps sends you as you never know. also maybe they might investigate any recruit abuse and might be trying to get a hold of for that.

          • swizzlestik

            Thanks for the advice Madmike19682003.  Rest assured we will open any and all correspondence received.  I am a pretty savvy person and never take anything or anyone at face value.  Hence, I researched and found this site to learn the truth and nothing but the truth.

            That said, I was NOT out on a fishing trip trying to find ways to defame the Corps or anyone for that matter.  I wanted to hear (read) verbatim from those who have ran the gamut.

            Having found this site and reading everyone’s words has been a Godsend to say the least.

  • Macterryg

    If you look really closely, every mutha fuckers on this page are the lame ones, that use to get bully all the time and probably the fat ones lol….ur need to get a life and stop being a bitch….

    • swizzlestik

      Be gone! You have no power here!

      Where’s my fly swatter at when I need it?

    • Madmike19682003

      hey shithead almost everyone here has done the time in the corps honorably. at least i did so blow me. btw it’s usually the high school losers who make the most motarded jarheads as people who were winners in civilian life find the marines a step down not a step up.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Now I know what it feels like to be a Staff NCO.  I say the same thing over and over again and yet still no one seems to get it.  There’s only one rule on the site:  Air your opinions politely, and be part of a useful conversation, or be banned from the site.  “Macterryg” That’s your first and last warning.  

      That’s your safety brief gents!

      • Masonlee

        so the guy after him who says “eat a dick..you fucking tool..etc..” is fine.  but he can’t say bitch because it’s a different opinion?  isn’t that the point of the site? to have different opinions.  and telling someone to stop bitching is that guy’s opinion.  i think it’s good to get the bitching out there personally, to confront all the pro corps propaganda.  but still, don’t try to censor someone because they don’t have your exact view..

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Point taken.  Frankly I like people to have different views, and it’s really a judgement call on who to call out on this site while being careful not to stop discussions from occurring, “disxrecruit86″  Actually kind of tried to made a point, where as “macterryg” really didn’t say anything or make any kind of a point about anything.

          Had he tried to say something in favor of the corps, I probably would have tolerated the whole “stop being a bitch” line in favor of keeping the overall message.

          Like I said, it’s really just a judgement call.

          Safety and Peace

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          If you come to my website and start insulting us, you might get one warning (which is pretty lenient in my opinion)
          and then a ban. If you do not like my website, then good. That is part
          of the point. You can come here and tell us why you do not like this
          site and what your disagreements are, but do not be an asshole. If you
          do, I actually encourage the community to fight back and talk shit in
          defense of the community. I would rather make a troll look stupid before
          a ban in my opinion. So yeah, you might think it is not fair, but I do
          not care. These have always been the obvious unwritten rules of the
          board but not everyone knows them. Which brings me to think that maybe I
          should post up some rules so dumb brainwashed dimwit motarded trolls do
          not even attempt posting here in the first place. But then again, that
          would ruin the fun of watching the community make them look stupid and
          help prove the point everyone is making here about the Marine Corps.

          • SemperFuckThisShit

            I have the same view point as you, however this ban thing is very hippocritical. If you want people to lisen to you and respect your opinion, you can’t filter what people are saying. I hate the Marine Corps but if these trolls want to talk trash let them. They are just reinforcing the point we are making about the Marine Corps

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            This is why I recommend letting the community take care of it. But if someone comes here and starts insulting people to a point where it has a negative backwards effect on the community, we just get rid of him.  If people do not like it, I am sorry they feel that way. Getting rid of the trouble makers is my vote.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        When someone is being a troll, lets give the community a chance tear them apart before we delete stuff. That way we can turn someone being a troll into a positive thing for the site. I think that stings a lot more. Just an idea, but of course, you should just make your own judgment calls. I don’t care if you just skip all that.

    • disxrecruit86

      I was reading the comment here about how everyone on this page needs to
      get a life and stop being a bitch. It makes me wonder how did he find
      this site if he’s so in love with that whore of a mother he calls the
      “Marine Corp”. Hmm… I found this website while I was browsing the NIPR
      at work here Googling the words getting out and benefits to getting
      out. I may never understand why these “creatures” always seem to find
      these sites just to bash on us. Fuck you don’t see me on leatherneck.com
      posting shit. Sure you may call me “lame” but as soon as I say “fuck
      you”, “eat a dick”, or “that’s not what you mom said last night”, your the first sorry ass bitch to go type up the paper work, send up the chain, start doing twsitys on the 1sgt dick.
      Yeah and being 3lbs over weight isn’t fat, it’s sad that the mothers
      fuckers that call me “fat” i always out perform them or simply tell them
      only in this organization. Do yourself a favor and leech on to a staffs
      dick like some virus and feed off it so it can sustain you and your
      sense of purpose. If you ask me your probably some little sad skinny
      fuck that can’t gain mass. That’s why you go talking shit on a website
      cause your Jr.’s can’t toss you any respect as a man, so you hide behind
      your rank always feeling it’ll protect you. Just do your self a favor a
      wrap yourself with the Marine corp flag and suck on your thumb. You fucking tool.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        “Just do your self a favor a
        wrap yourself with the Marine corp flag and suck on your thumb. You fucking tool.”

        :D

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    I just got done watching the move “Revolver” if you haven’t seen it I would highly recommend it.  I’m not here to write a movie review, but I feel this applies.  In the movie, a couple of people (who remain unnamed until the end) believe they’ve discovered the formula for the perfect con.  Their student, Jake Green (Played by Jason Statham)  Explains the formula as follows:

    “The formula has infinite depth in its efficacy and application, but it is staggeringly simple and completely consistent.  Rule one of any game or con, you can only get smarter by playing a smarter opponent.  Rule number two: The more sophisticated the game, the more sophisticated the opponent.   

    If the opponent is very good, he will place his victim inside an environment he can control.  The bigger the environment, the easier the control.  He’ll toss the dog a bone, find their weakness, give them just a little of what they think they want.  So the opponent simply distracts their victim by getting them consumed with their own consumption… The bigger the trick and older the trick, the easier it is to pull, based on two principles: They think it can’t be that old, or they think it can’t be that big for so many people to have fallen for it.  

    Eventually, when the opponent is challenged or questioned, it means the victim’s investment, and thus his
    intelligence, is questioned.  No one can accept that.  Not even to themselves.” ~ Jake Green

    Does anyone else think that the “opponent” sounds a lot like the marine corps and the “victim” sounds a lot like the marine?  I sure think it does.

    • PerfectScapegoat

      Revolver is one of my favorite movies, Ninja. That was a great post. 

      Another main theme the movie focuses on is the conceptualized self, the ego. They call the ego an agency of literalism because the mind doesn’t want to accept a concept that is too difficult to grasp- it will naturally choose a path of least resistance in order to satisfy the pride within the individual. The ego is incapable of correlating price with product, and it conveniently separates the two while we hang ourselves with the rope given us.Towards the end of the flick, Jake realizes that he suffers from a syndrome that most of us (especially Marines) succumb to at one point or another- we’re approval junkies.  As an added caveat, the Corps loves to emphasize the self-importance of urgency: “go here, go there, be there at this time OR ELSE, look important, carry yourself in a manner that suggests that you’re saving the world, etc.” But on pretty much any given day, what is really accomplished with such gravity and fabricated surliness? In exchange for their obedience, they’re given the illusion of importance.  

      Given enough distractions and false hopes, a Marine can spend 20 years in an organization that has only given him the illusion of accomplishment. I especially like the end of the movie when Jake takes away Ray Liota’s incentive for wanting to kill him, especially after the damage is already done. So Ray Liota is not only financially broke, but his power base has been completely toppled on a psychological level. The parallel here is that I don’t claim the USMC did anything for me, and when I have to mention my past I only say “the military.” I don’t specify. I give the Corps as little credit as possible, which is commensurate for its performance.

       I think most former Marines think they have some kind of obligation to pay homage to the Corps, or they want people to swoon whenever they hear they were a Marine. This is leverage the USMC just loves to employ against them because they already invested so much into it. To turn their back on the USMC means you would have to develop their own identity instead of it giving them one with its own serial number. Most people just want to bask in the reputation, even if it’s undeserved. I know a guy who’s been out for 15 years, and he still uses Marine Corps jargon. It’s not my job to “reach” him- he’s lost forever. But I do take it upon myself to downplay my USMC experience because I want to be honest with them and myself.  What bothers the USMC (and I believe this wholeheartedly) is the idea of scores of former Marines disowning their parent organization and treating the experience like it was more like a bad acid trip instead of a patriotic rite of passage. At best (which is usually my take on it, since I’m a fairly optimistic guy), it was just a job. No more. No less.      

  • e4

    UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!!! I just stood in the cp and watched my fellow nco get an ass chewing from gunny for wanting to attend the seps-taps he scheduled three months ago instead of going to the rifle range that gunny just put him on. Then, this cross eyed, hunched over, semi-retarded gunny followed up the ass chewing with insult!!! “Oh sure, out in febuary, no job in march, homeless in april and wanting back in the corps by may!” FUCK YOU GUNNY! If you go to the recruiting website they tell you how “challenging” it is, if you talk to the recruiter (or any moto) they too will tell you it’s difficult. So if this is the hardest thing in America to do, why the fuck can’t my buddy make it on his own? I’ve been told that “only 2% of Americans are marines.” So what are the other 98% doing to make ends meet gunny?! Also, I remember they used to have this “famous marines” section on the recruiting website. All of the “marines” they had listed, GOT OUT AFTER 4 YEARS!!! I wonder if all those famous marines got harassed the same way we do for wanting to eas.

    If I chewed gunnys ass once I’m a civilian, and reminded him of all his shortcomings and deficiencies, I’ll bet I could get him to commit suicide.

    Thanks for the great site, and allowing me to exercise my right to fee speech,

    corporal, Fusmc

    • Madmike19682003

      the worst about a loser is he thinks everyone’s a loser who can’t hack it on civvy street. that being said it can be rough out here and while being in the corps is a abusive realationship it’s still one where the dysfunctional parents put crappy food on the table and a crappy roof over your heads. out here you will being that yourself. i’ve wound up in a few financial binds myself that i had to climb out of with a lotta hard work. but look on the bright side i didn’t have to eat shit the way i did as a marine and 80 hour work weeks a very rare. the best advise i can any and all my fellow demotivators is this…when you get out attack civilian life like a enemy position…hit hard and fast and show no mercy. the corps has been screwing you for years and know you return the favor by claiming every government benefit you can take it all your gonna need it because it is akward getting out of the service after years of brainwashing. take the gi bill and unemployment if possible pell grants and even food stamps if it comes down to it. it’s not just getting even because the sorry bastards owe you it’s gonna make the transition easier. for anyone going to college i recommend the easy classes first as it is very hard to go back to school after being away for years especially in a environment where thinking is not tolerated. if you have any doubts as to a career take courses that look fun or interesting. and no matter what do not drop out of school..at least stay in part time.  stay moto.. as a civilian.

      • swizzlestik

        A very close friend of mine, a former Command Sgt Major in the Army and former paramedic buddy of mine (I gave him hell with pranks) told me the reason so many ex-military members had such a hard time finding jobs after their tours was because in essence they were trained to be killers and not much more. 

        He added that unless you wanted a job as a sniper, hitman or a stormtrooper afterwards, then don’t go the military route. 

        I know he didn’t mean this in a derogatory manner.  What he was saying was that after a person has spent 4+ years dealing with things that only concerned direct warfare, then that’s all you’re left with unless you had a skill or are savvy enough to acquire an education while in the miltary to prepare yourself for post-military life.  Many do not. Many are kept from doing so or have other reasons.

        Apparently this gunny is one of the brainwashed puppets the Corps has succeeded in mesmerizing with all the Oorahs and Semper Fi’s.

        There is life and success beyond the Corps or any other adversity you have or may face.  Trust me, I’m living proof.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      I have added this post to the stories section of the site – http://www.usmcsolutions.com/archives/606
      And thank YOU for taking the time to post your story here. This site is fueled by people like you revealing the truth. This not only helps you get it off your chest, but it also allows others to see what happened to you.
      Again, thanks.

  • bitteratthecorps

    Ive got one for you, and it may not be a big suprise and some of you may have had a similar experience.  Two months ago my wife and i lost our son to complications of a premature birth.  My division was nice enough to give me time to be at the hospital and go home for the funeral.  Then I shit you not, 3 days back at work and they treat me like nothing ever happend and then want to get im my business about why im moping around and dont want to work. Gee, i wonder the fuck why!  I go to medical to try and get on an anti-depressant and to get some help.  They ask me if im going to kill myself, and when i say no, they give me an appointment for 3 days later. thanks guys. then when i have the appointment the first thing the doc asks me, knowing why im depressed, is so why do you think you’re depressed? i tell him and his response, and i quote, ” God Dammit, im sorry bro.” (navy officer btw) and then he types his notes then before he releases me tells me, as a smoker and occasional drinker, again i quote, “Stop fuckin drinkin, and stop Fuckin smokin, cus it aint gonna help.” classy right?  Anyhoo, im getting booted anyway for medical issues, and now this, understandably i just want to be left alone, and that shouldnt be too much to ask, but in the last month ive been treated like im just worthless and lazy and need to get over it.  Bottom line, the corps preaches all this shit about taking care of each other and being there when we need it, but all the COC gives a shit about is work and themselves. the lazy bastards sit in the office and play msn games all damn day then come out at the end of the day and bitch at us because we are worthless.  One team one fight my ass.  Dont trust those mother fuckers to take care of you when you really need it because they will fuck you time and time again.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      Added to our stories page

    • swizzlestik

      bitteratthecorps, first of all let me say with all sincerity that I am so sorry for the loss of your child.  I cannot even begin to pretend I know how that feels. 
       
      I am also sorry that you had to endure the insensitivity by the doctor, who is supposed to be a professional (I am a former paramedic, so I could tell you some stories about doctors), as well as your superiors who expected you to ‘snap out of it’ so to speak.
       
      No one heals at the same pace.  Hell, it doesn’t take a NASA scientist to know that.  Knowing you were depressed, they should have made an intervention on your behalf, medicated you if necessary and also given you proper counseling.
       
      According to Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, M.D., a Swiss American psychologist there are 5 stages of grief that must be met in order to heal.
       
      1. Denial
      2. Anger
      3. Bargaining
      4. Depression
      5. Acceptance
       
      The very fact that you are cognizant their behaviors and attitudes towards you were wrong on many levels speaks volumes about you.  It tells me you still consider yourself a member of the human race.  That in itself is a fact to be proud of.

  • Madmike19682003

    out of curiosity has anyone here been threatened for using this site? has this site attracted the attention of marine corps leadership? does anyone know of any specific marine corps policy regarding this site?

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      I would like to know as well LOL.

  • swizzlestik

    Another couple of questions.  I was browsing through the ‘forums’ tab and wondering if it is still being utilized as often as the page we are currently on. Should I apply for a membership there as well?   Also, I pretty sure I know who lcdm is.  LOL.  Oh wow.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      The forum is definitely not as popular as I would like it to be. As a matter of fact, I would love to see the forum become more popular than Anonymous Discussion. But I think a lot of Marines do not feel safe signing up because they think they might get in trouble or something. Which is absolutely not true. I will never reveal anyone’s information to anyone. Unless required by law, which I will fight to the death. I value each and every membership on this site.

      The forum is way cooler than the anonymous discussion because of all the extra features. You can communicate a lot better and hot discussions stay in view much much longer and become more involved. I think that if our forum were to become more popular people would be more engaged in conversations and the community would become bigger and stronger. At that point our community would be able to have somewhat of a voice in the matter. And maybe someday we can see some positive changes in the Marine Corps. Maybe.

      • disxrecruit86

        My post come fresh off the bosoms of Afghanistan herself. Maybe sometime in the future.

  • disxrecruit86

    I come here every morning after shift. I like to sip my tea in my room, and have some music playing while I read these post. When the page loads I always see these old posts, then it suddenly brings me here. Well to my enjoyment it got stuck one day. I must say they’re quite entertaining to read. Just those trolls and pack droppers going at it. I always have to read the responses from some of these trolls, they really come here for an argument. Well I 290 days until then.

    • disxrecruit86

      This was written by anonymous:
      Marine Corps Rule One: “If you wanna keep the dick out of your ass, put it in your mouth.”
      This is why I come here everyday. This is GOLD right here.

  • BLKSHEEP21

    Well, I will have around 5 months left after the new FT13 creep posts. In other words, I CAN’T WAIT TIL JUNE!! FREEDOM IN 2012!!

  • BLKSHEEP21

    I meant FY13 veerp. Lol

  • swizzlestik

    Still waiting on my son to call this evening.  Talked to him and the DI yesterday and the DI said it “looked good for Friday.”  Well, it’s 1800 hours and still no call.  So here I am packed and ready for the firing pistol to sound as are my 79 year old mother and 81 year old dad.  The stress they are causing by the delays have reached the acme.

    I want to make something clear while I am posting.  I don’t ‘hate’ the Marine Corps but I do hate the adversities you guys have had to endure at the hands of the Corps.  It is totally unacceptable and should not be tolerated.  I do not accept any mistreatment (physical or mental), lies, abuse, humiliation, or other ridiclous cult-like actions that cause others grief and pain.  It’s as simple as that.

    My patience is wearing thin and that damned phone had better ring this evening.  If not, I will be on the horn in the AM and trust me, they do NOT want me up their asses.  I am relentless and I do NOT take NO for an answer.  Period.  Talk about shock and awe.

    I understand they have a certain ‘process’ to go through and the holidays caused delays because the civilian workers had vacation.  I’m no idiot.  However, his paperwork was done LAST week. 

    I don’t play that hurry up and wait shit for anybody.  Never have, never will.

    • Madmike19682003

      out of curiosity..from the moment your son was dropped from training how much time did he spend in what was called casual company back in my time before he goes home?

      • swizzlestik

        I have never heard him refer to anything as ‘casual company’.  He is in a separation platoon but that may be what you are referring to.

        He’s been there for about 3 weeks. 

        Even the Lt Colonel told me he should be shipping out this week.  Even though he most likely said it with good intentions, I need something more solidand in all honesty, felt pretty confident.   The Lt. Colonel truly seems to be a straight-up guy for what it’s worth. 

        I seriously hate to break my foot off in someone’s ass at the separation platoon.  But a gal’s gotta do what a gal’s gotta do.

        By the way, I am no ‘badass’ but I don’t take shit off of anyone. I don’t give it either unless it’s forced. My ex (son’s dad) learned the hard way. I broke his jaw and knocked 2 molars loose with a left to his face after I caught him with his 18 year old mistress (he was 39 and a cop too). I tore her a new one too. Not because she was with him but because earlier she had threatened to kill my son who was only 6 years old at the time.

        Moral of the story: Don’t fuck with my kid. It won’t be pretty.

        • Madmike19682003

          i believe it was called casual company when i went through pi.  but that was in mid 1988 and i swallowed my pride and put up with the crap till i graduated so i could be wrong.

  • swizzlestik

    I know they have to be in their racks at 2000 hours.  It’s 1959.  So it’s ON tomorrow.  Better find a fall-out shelter!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Hell hath no fury…

      • swizzlestik

        ‘Fraid so.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      I wish you the best

      • swizzlestik

        Thanks Civilian.  I am beside myself right now.  You guys need a Medal of Honor for just putting up with this kind of crap.  Geesh, I would have already gone psycho on somebody.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          It is not so much having the ability to put up with it as much as being forced to put up with it, with no other positive options. Until you complete your contract.

          • swizzlestik

            That sucks swamp water.  All I know is right now, I’ve had my ‘fill’ of this crap (and I haven’t went through what you guys have in the Corps, even though I have had my personal adversities that are nothing to sneeze at) and I am already wanting to kick somebody in the throat.

            I’ve had 3 major spine surgeries and have enough titanium steel in me to make the Terminator jealous, but mama can still do it! LOL

  • Ted_Johnson

    Does anyone know if scumbags Donald Rumsfeld and Eric K. Shinseki also made changes the Rifleman’s Creed back in ’03, the way these sneaky fucks altered the U.S. Soldier’s Creed? Irregardless, who would even want even serve in the U.S. Armed Services any longer, especially now that the U.S. Constitution has basically been voided? Not to mention how messed up it must be to see gays openly serving in the Marine Corps, or how that shill Shineski was nominated by Obummer as Secretary of Veterans Affairs? Who the hell would want to serve this criminal government’s agenda with these kinds of assholes at the helm of our (once great) nation’s military and VA health care system?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I don’t believe that they did.  I went through boot camp in ’08 and it was still the same thing they shout during “Full Metal Jacket” so I’m pretty sure it’s remained intact.

      I haven’t noticed a real difference since “Don’t ask” went away (Granted I’ve been in one of the smallest and most isolated units in the corps ever since the repeal so i’m not sure how it is everywhere)  But I agree with everything else you’ve said.  We fight to preserve a constitution that doesn’t apply to us, so that a few people at the top of the totem pole can continue to make their money.

      • Ted_Johnson

        You’re right, upon further investigation, it seem that the Rifleman’s Creed has remained unchanged from the original. Still, I find it mind boggling that our bogus government was allowed to changed the orginal Soldier’s Creed so drastically, and without any major opposition or resistance. The most disturbing part is their omission of this part from the orginial:

        “As a soldier, I realize that I am a member of a time-honored profession—that I am doing my share to keep alive the principles of freedom for which my country stands.No matter what the situation I am in, I will never do anything, for pleasure, profit, or personal safety, which will disgrace my uniform, my unit, or my country.I will use every means I have, even beyond the line of duty, to restrain my Army comrades from actions disgraceful to themselves and to the uniform.”

        This is especially frightening, in light of the recent youtube videos that have surfaced of soliders and marines abusing animals for fun, not to mention rapes they’ve committed, as well as their abuse of fellow servicemembers. It seems that there is really no honor left amongst members of our nation’s military; honor has been purposefully deemphasized in lieu of protecting the “mission” at all costs (the mission being to serve the interests of Israel and Corporate Amerika). A dog blown apart for fun, another thrown off a cliff, and a sheep beaten to death with a baseball bat, amongst many other dispicable acts committed by our deployed troops. These are some really dark times for our world, and especially for the U.S. The U.S. has become an extrememly narcissistic environment, so it’s no surprise that many of our military members have the mindset of criminals and thugs.

        I feel badly for the young men and women serving who, when they signed up, had truly altruistic and sincere motives. You know who you are. You guys/girls that are decent-minded human beings need to get the hell out of the military after your EAS date, ASAP! Don’t reenlist if you’re smart; I have a strong feeling that this whole thing isn’t going to end well for the U.S.

  • buttfuck

    I was in the army and the thing I most hated about it was that we didn’t get paid what they said they were in the beginning and dealing with taking orders from retarded we couldn’t question but also what relates to that is how the marines treat people in the army. Aren’t Ready to be Marines Yet. Hoooah!

  • Semper HUH?

    MARINE-M uscles A re R equired I ntellegence N ot E xspected.

  • swizzlestik

    Shock and awe has begun.  Hold your positions.

  • swizzlestik

    Some knuckle-head in the ‘regiment’ got his paperwork WRONG.  Imagine that? Just talked to the DI who assures me that my son will definitely be leaving this coming Tuesday.  I’m not happy but at least it’s something a bit more solid.  Trust me guys, I won’t believe it until I see it and even then, I will proceed with cautious optimism.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      They probably lied to you. Just saying. “we got the paperwork wrong” is the same excuse they use on everyone else. If they told you that, something else is going on. Keep your eyes open.

      The reason why they use the excuse of “getting paperwork wrong” is due to the fact that the statement provided is bland and used to get you to back off.

      • swizzlestik

        Yeah, I know.  My son did tell me that he knew for a fact that some moron had placed his paperwork in the wrong folder/sleeve last week then the guy tried to get him to re-sign something and he wouldn’t do it because it would have somehow delayed it even longer.  Not exactly sure what he meant but I will definitely find out Tuesday.

        My son said his name was defintely on the list to leave Tuesday.  He saw it himself.   All I know is that i’m gonna be there Tuesday and I don’t give a rat’s ass if they give my kid a damned skateboard to get to the bus station.  He had BETTER be there or I will be knocking on somebody’s front door with a ramrod or my S&W AR-15.  My patience is about as thin as frog’s hair right now. 

        The bright side is that they still have to PAY him regardless….lol.  So the longer it takes, the more pay he accumulates. 

  • Ballin99

    i honestly think swizzlestik is bullshiting. honestly this man bitch is always on this fucking website bitching about her “son”. honestly  i dont believe that a fucking grown woman would have so much fucking time on her hands.

    • swizzlestik

      Bullshitting?  I wouldn’t shit you, you may be my favorite turd.  ‘Man bitch’?  Wow.  Thanks!  Yeah, I suppose you could say I have ‘balls’ although mine are a little further up and not quite as fuzzy as yours.

      I have all the time on my hands I need and then some darling.  I’d be more than happy to share.

      Can’t you find anything better to do than to make derogatory remarks about someone you don’t know?  Apparently you have to much time on YOUR hands babe.  Sorry if the fact that I have guts enough to speak my mind intimidates you. 

      I can cook you a seven course gourmet meal, work on your car, sew you a shirt, draw anything I want to, write and perform music, tap dance, shoot any kind of weapon you put in my hands and hit my target and jump-start your heart all in the same day, among MANY other things…so if I run out of talent or things to do,I’ll hit you up!

      The person that runs this site has my e-mail from signing up on the site.  So the only person that would need any validation is him and I have that any time he requests it.

      My son, is my only child and he is my world. I would be glad to check into adopting you if that would make you feel better. I have enough love for everybody! :))

      Checkmate!

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      Hey Ballin. I have contacted swizzlestik and verified her integrity. Thank you for sharing your thoughts though.

  • swizzlestik

    Stan, please check your inbox.  Thanks!

  • saltdawg

    Not to fat to stand post not to fat to patrol and carry everything you can imagine and still fight, come back under the flag pole and bam your wayyyy to fat for this wish i would get out already, i just wanted to vent and say fusmc

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    After his election, President Obama proclaimed: “We cannot sustain a system that bleeds billions of taxpayer dollars on programs that have outlived their usefulness, or exist solely because of the power of a politicians, lobbyists, or interest groups. We simply cannot afford it.” Downsizing the U.S. military presence in Japan is overdue. It would lessen political tensions, save the U.S. military millions of dollars a year, and shift a billion dollars in annual military spending and several thousand support jobs into the U.S. economy. Moreover, moving ships, aircraft, and military families out of the range of North Korean, Russian, and Chinese tactical missiles and aircraft would protect them from surprise attack.

    Unfortunately, Generals and Admirals instinctively dislike change, especially if it will close “their” bases. They will characterize this proposed downsizing as drastic, even though it would remove only around 10,000 of the 50,000 U.S. military personnel from Japan, close only two of six airbases, and leave two major naval bases and a dozen bases for ground forces. They will insist a detailed study is required, followed by years of negotiations.

    http://www.g2mil.com/japan-bases.htm

    • Okinawa inmate

      I totally agree. Japan is a waste. I have literally wasted 2 tears here and never done a real job. I am not needed and serve no purpose here. All the money the corps spent on stationing me here was a waste. Which is of course thousands of dollars. I mean in cola alone I have received 12 grand more than marines stateside. Not that I mind the extra money but I would rather loose that money and be with my wife and save our country money then to waste money and the 2 years if my life I’ll never get back. Okinawa in my eyes serves no purpose.

  • Madmike19682003

    i think you need a advice section. ya know things like what do do if your being abused beacause you are a boot or whatever,how to get out of a bad duty station or job,etc.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      I thought about doing this before but I honestly have no idea how to put that kind of information together. I would love to do that though.

      • http://www.gonzotimes.com/ PunkJohnnyCash

        IVAW.org may have some info that may be helpful in putting something like that together.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          Thanks for the tip! Any advice is welcome.

  • swizzlestik

    FINALLY have my son.  He has been reading the posts and stories. He will be commenting soon.  He needs a few days to get back down to earth.  But from the few things he has now told me, I am NOT a happy camper.  Not just about him, but all the other recruits as well. This ain’t over…yet.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      It is great news to hear that you have your son back! I look forward to seeing what he has to say.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Glad to hear he’s back.  That was about a week late right? Typical marine corps.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    Hey guys, I want to show you a a concept design that my buddy Mike came up with for MarineTruth.com’s new look.
    Tell me what you think!

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    Version 7 of the concept. Mike is really working hard on this design. Thanks man!!!

  • ONE_YEAR_early_out

    I found this on TL, hope its okay to post links.  I also hope this will make some of you happy, because THIS has made my day!
    http://terminallance.com/forum/index.php?topic=5445.0

    • stl2010

      I’m n the marines right now and i just want to tell you you have made my day.

  • FREE MAN

     In 18 days it will be 1 year sinceIi received that beautiful piece of paper called the DD-214 any Ideas how to cerebrate.

    • Madmike19682003

      every year you need to be more of a man than the year before…better educated,more job skills,more handsome,less stupid,wiser,etc,etc. live life to the fullest and make this country the best as well as yourself the best it can be. the corps sucked but you can make it better by speaking out and educating people thinking of enlisting. i think if this site and others like it become popular enough it might shame the corps into pulling it’s head out of it’s ass.

    • RubOneOutForUSA

      Smoke a bowl! Rip your cammies up into a vest and shorts!

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    The few, the proud, yeah right.

    • Madmike19682003

      i smell mucho legal fallout for those jarheads. they committed the worst offense you can under the ucmj. they made the marine corps look bad. bye the way what happened to the dumbass who threw the puppy off the cliff?

  • ihateDIs89

    Good evening everyone.  I am swizzlestik’s son.  First of all, thank you for being there for my mom.  You really helped her through a lot of grief and pain. 

    When I joined the Corps, I went in with all the spirit, confidence and committment anyone could muster.  I was not fresh out of high school but I was fresh out of college.  I had high expectations of myself and of the Marine Corps.  I saw them just as they portray themselves, a tough yet honorable organization. 

    I expected their training to consist of yelling, screaming, stupid mind games and other BS but I never expected to see and experience and hear of the things that happened. 

    Through receiving week, it was pretty much was I was told to expect.  I was nervous and homesick just like every other recruit.  But when training day one hit and all the rest of the training days therafter, the shit hit the fan in a big way.

    This was when stuff that I didn’t expect started to occur. Those things included but are not limited to:

    1. A recruit was spartan kicked in the chest into his rack.
    2. A recruit touched his own face and the DI hit him in the face with his campaign cover and it drew quite a bit of blood.
    3. Another recruit touched his face and was hit in the face with a clipboard.
    4. The guide’s rifle carrying handle fell off because it was loose so the DI held it like brass knuckles and hit him in the back of the head with it really hard.
    5. I was folding a blanket with another recruit and apparently the DI felt I was in his ‘way’ so he kicked me hard in the rear striking my upper back thigh.
    6. I was in the process of trying to quit and I refused to move.  So 2 DI’s ran up to me and proceeded to rips my undershirt to shreds from my body.  They threatened to continue to IT the whole platoon if I didn’t participate so I IT’ed so they would stop messing with everyone.
    7. Numerous times we were denied head calls and so many of the recruits unrinated on themselves.
    8. In chow hall, the DI’s would come over for no reason and yell  so they could spit in your food in the process. One took his hands and mushed all the food on my tray together with his nasty bare hands because he didn’t feel I yelled ‘Good afternoon, Sir’ to him loud enough.

    I’ll continue later.  But the list goes on and on.  They did learn somehow that it was me who reported the abuse through my mom. Also when I was in RSP, the other recruits were telling me of things that were a lot worse and there are many there who had been injured by the DI’s both mentally and physically.  It was the first time I had actually seen someone who had cracked and was truly crazy from all the mind-screwing and abuse.

    I was given a 3P for a re-enlistment code and told that none of this would follow me.  The Lt. Col. told my mother the same thing but I am hearing a different  story. Does anyone know how this works?  For example, if I wanted to join the Army or Air Force.  According to the Corps, it won’t affect that.

    I am so down right now.  I feel lost and not sure what to do.  My mom is here with me and she is a very strong lady. She is trying to help me get through this.  Right now, I need all the help and advice I can get. 
    I didn’t pussy out guys.  I just figured out all too quickly what the deal was and refused to be a part of this dishonor and abuse.  I think that what I did was more honorable than just settling for whatever bullshit they dished out to me.  I’m not stupid and they could not brainwash me.  So really, they lost the war with me. 

    I do feel guilt about leaving my fellow recruits behind.  Over half of them wanted to come with me.  I will write more later but right now my brain feels like scrambled eggs.  I need to get things sorted out.  I just hope I can.

    • Madmike19682003

      twice in boot camp i was assaulted by di’s. i was able to stop the attacks by pushing back and by letting it be known that if they touched me one more time than it was gonna be fist city. both times they backed up. the best way to stop this crap is simple…tell recruits to fight back before they hit recruit training. have some kind of civilian instructor with a law enforcement background tell the recruits all the legal rights and responsibilities before they start training. basically if a di touches you than you touch him back…hard and fast and repeat as often as is required or until you get bored. i went through that dumb shit in the late 80’s and i thought it was the stupidest thing ever. i had way more respect for my college rotc instructors who were army guys and treated us like men. i cannot and will not treat anyone with more respect than they show me. how can i trust anyone with my life in combat if they treat me like that?  the quality of the training was abysmal as i barely learned anything. i like to call marine boot camp 13 days of intense training shoved into 13 weeks of stupidity,brainwashing and abuse.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      First of all, welcome to the site, I’m sure I can speak for everyone when I say it’s a pleasure to have you.  Judging by the link below it seems that you can reenlist in another branch, but there may be a couple additional hoops for you to jump through.

      http://www.navycs.com/military-re-codes.html

      Honestly, I’m impressed that you had the moral courage (something that the marine corps has a habit of paying lip service to) to refuse to be a part of this disorganization.  I would have to agree with you that you have chosen the honorable route by not succumbing to the brainwashing and abuse.

      If the recruits from your platoon wanted to come with you, I would recommend writing some of them a letter, let them know that you got out and have gone home, and that if they refuse to train just as you have that they can do the same.  Tell them that you’ve found this site filled with people who will testify that the marine corps does not improve once you leave boot camp and that anything they do within the first 180 days will result in an entry-level separation, which is roughly equivalent to a General Under Honorable Conditions.  So if they decide to graduate boot camp and then wish to get out, they can still refuse to train, or just show up to MCT/SOI with drugs in their system to be removed from the marine corps.

      If there’s anything else you would like to know, or if you just need someone to talk things over with, please don’t hesitate to ask.

      Safety and Peace

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      Hello and welcome. It is great to have you here and we are very thankful to you for sharing this story with us.  Back in 2006 when I was in boot camp I experienced many of the same things as you just did.  Although I never had the balls to call bullshit and gtfo. You are a smart guy for having the ability to see that their is something wrong and that you need to leave that mess.

      The bullshit did not stop after I left bootcamp. It continued for 4 years.  Then I made this website (July 2010) to try and inform people who are thinking about enlisting in the Marines what it is really like.  It is my belief that most people would decide against joining if they really knew what they were getting into, and that is the goal of this site. 

      Through this site I have convinced many people NOT to join the USMC, but never has this site contributed to removing someone who has already enlisted. This is something I am pretty damn proud of.

      Please feel free to consult the community here with any of your questions.  The guys who post here are really great people who are always dropping by to help people with questions. As you can see a few of them have already started helping.
      I am going to add this to the stories section of our website.
      Again thank you for sharing.

  • 7yrMistake

    Just curious, who were your DI’s. I can ensure you I am not a over the top motivator, I have 24 months left and I get to move on to hopefully a better life. I only ask because I have friends on PI and just hope they are not to blame for these actions. I am truely sorry you had to experience these hateful and senseless acts. That is not what the Corps is supposed to be. I myself thought that boot was a complete joke, drill and mind games thats it. I didnt even learn that much if anything at all, complete waste of time. Unfortunately I am at the back end of my second enlistment, unfortunate because I was never meant to be a career marine, something that I wasnt 100% sure until it was too late. Anyway, if you do not feel comfortable releasing names on a public site I can understand. Good luck to you.

    • ihateDIs89

      I appreciate your response and hope that you are able to move on with your life too.  I don’t feel comfortable releasing their names on a public site even though they deserve it.  Bascially, I think it is pretty safe to say that approx. 90% of the DI’s are like this to varying degrees.

      I didn’t see where I was ‘learning’ anything but how to get angry and frustrated aside from being made into a brainless machine.  I still haven’t figured out just how beating someone or smashing their food into a clump and a bunch of other assorted BS  is going to teach me how to fight in real combat, stay alive and protect my comrades on a battlefield.  If anyone has a clue, please, let me know.

      • Madmike19682003

        it’s not about training you to defend america it’s about training you to be a mindless ass kissing slave who will defend the marines and serve your appointed masters.

  • Semper HUH?

    First of all ihateDIs89,
        The DI’s are not suppose to touch you at all, that goes against Marine Corps regulations. So my advise to you is to mention all the names of these morons that did wrong even if you saw it somewhere else and know who it was. All of those so called Marines need to have their career ruined because if they are acting like that in what is called a “B” Billet, I.E. Drill Instructor, then they will act in a simular way in the fleet if they wern’t already. This is the sort of thing we are fighting against as Americans and military service men and women.

    Second, I don’t think any one here is anti Marine Corps, they are anti-bad leadership. There are rules that  protect Recruits as well as Marines but some seem to make their own rules, and when they do then they do nothing but make the Corps look bad and the problems continue. I also have to blame the LtCol for not ensuring that this sort of thing was not going on. It is his responsibility to breif the Marines in his command on not hazing! Hazing is a big NO NO in the Corps, there is even a regulation on hazing. The problem is that leaders don’t enforce the no hazing policy.

    I would dime each and every one of these jackasses out, end their career and make examples of them. At least the DI’s. Then I would write a letter to the commadant of the Marine Corps as well as the Secretary of the Navy, don’t mention names, but give details on what happen. The LtCol will deal with his DI’s 

    People like you and your mom can help us better the Marine Corps by getting rid of the flebs and putting the ones who deserve it in the right position. If you really want to go crazy you can also file a personal law suit againt each one of thos DI’s and see what you can get from it. I MEAN IT WHEN I SAY THAT THEY NEED TO BE MADE AN EXAMPLE OF, DON’T BE AFRAID!

    I am a SNCO in the Marirines, and I see so much stupid stuff but I even have my breaking points to where I have to pull the bull shit flag on my leaders. And to all the Marines on this sight, don’t be afraid to pull the bull shit flag. If you cannot get the problem resolved by your direct leadership, then do an end around on them even if it pisses someone off……Oh well they can suck it up. Wearing that rank doesn’t always make them right and  wearing that rank doesn’t give them the right! You have to fight for what is right but if you continue to let leadership do what you see is wrong then you shouldn’t complain. Just because you are low in the ranks doesn’t mean you don’t have to take the bull shit they are dishing out. Some things you will have to suck up because that’s the way the Marine Corps is; but you need to distinguish beteween the bull shit and the way it is.

    • ihateDIs89

      Semper HUH,

      I wrote about the abuse in a letter to my mom.  I had to tell someone I could trust to take the right route.  She called my recruiter who asked her to copy and send my letters via an e-mail.  She did so.  The next day, she said a Lt. Col. called from PI.  He assured my mom and me that no one would know WHO blew the whistle.

      Well someone tooted loud and clear because every DI in my company began to harrass me.  They got in my face and called me all sorts of names (no big deal) but they also said things like, “You’re trying to ruin a good Marine’s career.  He has a wife and children to support!”  And so on 24/7.

      I knew this was not going to end nor was the abuse and other bullshit.  The Marine Corps boasts of pride, honor, courage and so on.  That’s the biggest crock I’ve ever heard.  They did NOT live up to MY expectations….it wasn’t the other way around.  I did everything I was told to do and then some. 

      They screwed the pooch, not me.  I think it was hypocritical of the Corps to urge recruits to come forward about abuse and bullshit only to turn around and give that recruit grief and harrassment.

      I’m thinking of going to someone higher up, sitting down face to face and telling them EVERYTHING that happened.  I may even go to the media.  This has to stop.  How in the hell is beating the shit out of someone or spitting in their food supposed to ‘build character and honor’? 

      Will someone explain that to me?

      By the way, the Senior DI came and got the undershirt the other DI’s ripped off of me and I never saw it again.

      I really busted my ass by losing 140 pounds and graduating from college. I went to every poolie meeting and function and was often in charge of the other poolies. I was so damned committed and excited that I was on my way to becoming one of the few and proud. You have no idea man, I was pumped. I wanted to be a part of this elite group of fighting men who had ethics, honor and moral values.

      I’d be willing to bet that I could find more honor, ethics and moral values on death row. I know this for a fact.

  • M733a2

    In the subject of DIs, my gunny told me a story of a recruit in the 1990’s (a period when hazing was pretty bad) who butt stroked a DI because the DI tried to take his rifle. The case went up to the 1st Sgt and CO and the recruit was able to continue on and graduate because he acted in self defense.

  • Meritorius_Civillian

    Friday the 13th… The green weenie has struck again. I went to IPAC outbound today to pick up my DMO orders as scheduled. And guess what? HQMC doesn’t have my aquesition data in the system. I did the VERP to move my EAS from APR 21 to JAN 23 and now I can’t get orders, I can’t get my pay advance, and I can’t sell my 27 days worth of leave back to this buddy fucking marine corps until they get off their asses and do their jobs. I have 4 working days left before my new EAS what the fuck do I do now?

    • Madmike19682003

      i got out in 1992 so my info may not be any good. i had 67 leave days on the books and tried to take them for terminal leave,the corps laughed and told me to fuck myself,than i tried to sell 7 of the days back and once again they told me to fuck myself. on my dd214 it lists 7 unused leave days.

  • Larico125

    Leatherneck.com is a shitty site. They treat you like shit on there just for asking a simple question. Yu prety much have to kiss ass and accept it. Im not suprised marines who enisted still kiss ass in real life.

  • Larico125

    Semper Fi lol the brotherhood and all that jazz exist nut not in the way a lot of recruits thing
    . Semper Fi more Semper Fist up your ass.

  • Guest

    The USMC comes up with random courses on subjects that are considered issues. For example, we have to take an Marine Net course on drugs because of all the drugies and personal information safe guarding courses because dumbasses leak Marine’s personal information. Now, since we had 4 Marines pissing on a dead Taliban (not saying this is wrong or right but you have to agree the Marine who posted the video is a dumbass), will we have to take some boring class on how pissing on dead bodies is wrong every year too?

    • DerkaDerpa

      I wonder if the marine who posted the video did it to draw attention to the incident because reporting it up his chain of command didn’t work.  Maybe he’s not as dumb as we think he is.

      • Guest

        It doesn’t seem like it on the actual video.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          Keep in mind, you can never see the camera man.  The dude that filmed this might have realized what he did and decided the only right thing to do is let it go viral.

          • Madmike19682003

            remember the REAL marine corps motto….”semper fi fuck the other guy”. betcha that’s gonna be his defense when they figure out the camera man’s name.

          • Guest

            Well you don’t see him b/c he was filming but he was interacting with those in the video. You and DerkaDerpa bought up good points. However, why go viral if that can be handled at the unit level? And Madmike, if they didn’t post the video online, the odds of them getting in trouble is slim to none.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            I agree with you Guest. I was just speculating a different thought process.

          • DerkaDerpa

            My thoughts were that the unit didn’t bother handling it, so the marine filming took it to the internets.  However, we’ll probably never know what motivated him to post it to YouTube.

          • Madmike19682003

            that’s true. just as it’s true that everyone involved here probably isn’t future brain surgeon material. but what i’m saying is the camera man might be out of the corps as this was filmed i believe a year ago and if he does get in trouble i guarantee you his defense is gonna be “but guys i was just trying to expose these bad marines and make them stop. i’m the victim here. i was just trying to stop this i never met to egg them on”.

  • ihateDIs89

    Aside from all the hell I’ve been thru, my RE code is 3P which doesn’t even come near to the truth.  So if I want to join another branch, then what?  I was told as was my mother by the Lt. Col. that this would NOT follow me, etc.  He said to my mother [quote] “This is not like a black spot on his record.  It will not affect him in life.” [unquote].

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      3P? That is not a bad one from what I know. That can mean that you had some sort of limitation and/or you were too fat.You can join another service if the issues are resolved. You could probably even get back into the Marine Corps with that code lol. 

      But I am in no way an expert.  So I recommend checking with someone who is

      • ihateDIs89

        Thanks Civilian.  Just to test the water, I chatted with an ‘online’ rep with the National Guard yesterday and they informed me I could not join with an RE 3P.  I will find out.

        By the way, did you read what I replied to Semper Huh below?  If not, please do and advise me if you can.

        Thanks.

        • Madmike19682003

          you can file a appeal to get the code upgraded or you can write your congressman or senator at both the state and federal levels they can pull strings to get stuff changed.

  • 03xxtommy

    I heard a higher up in the USMC say thatbthey play all the bullshit games and pissvthe guys off for a reason. That reason is ” combat”. All that frustration builds over and when the shit hits the fan who else better to release that tension out on but the enemy. There was a squad in Iraq and the grunts were jus sitting there in the desert for months( 7 months). Then out of nowhere there unit gets called up to go on a mission patrol etc. Simply my point is yes! They put you thru bullshit but to simply put it if you wana fight and nothing more join the USMC. A lot of grunts won’tbeven see combat so a lot of people get mixed messages. Lol it a lot of shit they keep quiet. But hey i dnt think thebUSMC is gona go anywhere anytime soon but if u want to learn some skills to really fall.back on after a military career join another branch etc. To some extent i respect the marines but some things gota change i think.that’s fair. I’m all for defending your country even if it has to come to violence but the warvin the M.E seems pointless. But hey i don’t sit at some desk for congress orbthe D.o.D so i’m not gona sit here and talk like i kno everything. But, Hey it is what it is.

    • 03xxtommy

      Excuse some of my typos but hope you get my point. But i think some of you guys who dislike the USMC needs to look at the bright side. If it weren’t for you guys finding out how things are and creating this site and telling how things are Maybe you guys have helped some young kid who has no business enlisting in the marines from making a big mistake for himself. I know that part of the problem is that there are people enlisting who have no business enlisting in the first place. The advertising is very misleading but it’s kinda ironic because if they were completely straight forward it would keep MANY from joining. Just saying.

  • DerkaDerpa

    I just posted my first blog for this site.  Please head over and check it out.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      Loved it!

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.
  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    Question for everyone who reads this.  How did you come about finding this site? Responses are greatly appreciated!

    • Madmike19682003

      for several years i wondered about all the sites like leatherneck.com and looked for sites with the opposing view. i mean you see these sites that talk about how great the corps is but when i was in EVERYONE hated being in and just wanted out. you hear about band of brothers and all that crap but talk to almost any former marine and damn near all will have way more friends from high school than the corps. in my experience and i’m gonna say i’m a lot older than most people here that former marines who are winners,that is a nice job,education,etc never brag about being marines just like they aren’t gonna brag about making the high school sports team. but the guys who are losers working lame jobs with no education or anything noteworthy are gonna be the ones with the once a marine always a marine bumper sticker.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        I have been out of the Marines since 2010 and I am already starting to see this take shape with all of the friends I made in the Corps.  Most of them are not doing well for themselves at all (they are stupid and blame the economy) and the few who were smart, well. They are going to school or working or being entrepreneurs!
         In the age of facebook, I get to keep in touch with all of those guys (the ones I liked) and see how they are doing. 

        • Madmike19682003

          i like to play this game called “the facebook game”. ask your marine buddies how many friends they have from the corps they still talk to versus how many friends they still have from high school. EVERY marine friend i have has more friends from high school than the corps and i mean way the hell more. it really surprised me but even so called popular marines will only have about 5 or 6 facebook friends. try it yourself.

    • DerkaDerpa

      I found out about it through a friend.  He was so frustrated, angry and disenchanted that he typed “I hate the Marine Corps” into Google.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        That is actually how a lot of people find this site. That is how I created this site! lol

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        That’s how I found it.

    • Guest

       I read comics from Fleet Marine Life and Terminal Lance and came across this site. I just look at how Marines and vets are thinking. I’ve been on leatherneck.com and had mixed feelings about it. I did have the pleasure of helping new Marines and poolees out while some ppl just bash them. I don’t hate the MC but then again, I would consider my career to be more fortunate than others who were in. However, I hate to brag about being in the USMC and I just consider it as any other job. Despite different views here, I had the pleasure of discussing the issue about the 4 Marines in A-stan with DerkaDerpa, Madmike and Civilian earlier.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        Is their a link to this site from terminallance.com ?

        • Guest

          Don’t remember- haven’t been on the site in forever. I know Fleet Marine Life has it though.

  • Babykata09

    This is how the feel.

  • Semper HUH?

    To ihateDIs89
       Do what you’ve got to do. I think your right go to the news media and take it up with higher. But I think I would wright a form letter and send it to ABC, CBS and NBC. Keep sending it once a week it until you get a response. Then send another letter to the secretary of the Navy. Keep sending that letter until you get a response. The only way that this organization it going to get fixed is if it recieves a humility treatment. I use to believe in the Marine Corps along with others, now we think its nothing more than a joke! And as Iv’e said in the past, it not the institution of the Marine Corps thats the joke, its the bad leadership. You can use this web sight as an example of the frustration that Marines are having.

    As far as the DI having a wife and kid to feed, I guess hazing people is more important than his wife and kid. I would still try and end the careers of these idoits. Oh well on them they should have thought about what they did before they did it. They know hazing is against regulation so I guess his wife and kid aren’t that important to him.

    • DerkaDerpa

      To ihateDIs89,
      If you do decide to write a form letter, I would be happy to help proof read it before you send it out.  I’m a writer tutor at my University, an English major and I’ve been published.  It’s been my experience that a second pair of eyes looking over something important never hurts.

      And here are my two bits about that DI with a wife and kids.  Mother fucker should have thought about his wife and kids before he starting abusing recruits.  How would he feel if his kid’s teacher cracked him with a flashlight for not remembering multiplication tables?  How would he feel if his wife’s boss Spartan kicked her into her cubical if she showed up to wrote five minutes late?  He’d probably be ready to tear people to shreds, so why would he inflict that kind of pain and anger on others?  Fuck him.  He doesn’t deserve to defend this nation.

      • ihateDIs89

        Thanks DerkaDerpa,  I may just very well take you up on that.  My mom, no doubt, will assist me in writing the letter.  She is much better at tearing into someone and still maintaining a certain decorum than I am. LOL.

        You’re exactly right about the DI.  I thought the very same thing afterwards.  If he had a scintilla of honor in him, he would rips someone a new ass if they had done this to a family member AND he would not have done what he did in the first place.

        I’m still waiting on someone to explain how this physical and mental torture cultivates honor and courage. 
         

        • Madmike19682003

          it’s not about making warrior’s it’s about making slaves.

  • Marineagain

    What do any of you guys think happened at Haditha, Iraq. A Ssgt here at Pendleton is being court-martialed right now. I have to be there… does anybody in today’s Corps even remember it. It happened in 2005. There is a website called Defendourmarines.com that covers it. I know the guy writing the stories… it isn’t what you night think from the name… check it out… at least read the story maybe they should put war on trial or something like that.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      Thanks for sharing this, I am going to check it out right now.

    • 6174

      Theres a lawyer in Jacksonville NC who has gotten about 6 of those guys off on all charges.

  • Secretwarrior2012

    I was the type of person who was pretty much perfect for the Marines. I had excellent rifle qualification; one of the best PFT score in the battalion; I am very intelligent; and knew my MOS pretty well. Special Class Swimmer. I wanted to go for the indoctrination for Force Recon. I was still treated like a shitbag, and considered unreliable and worthless. While people with crap scores, surpassed me because they knew how to talk to people. They say fraternization is frowned upon in the Marine Corps… well they are dead wrong. They more you fraternize, the quicker you get promoted. No matter what your scores say. Just do the bare minimum of what they ask and brow nose them to death. They will give you what you want. I have a blog that tells the story. Though I have many more tales of injustice, but that would be a novel.

    http://causeihaveavoice.blogspot.com/2012/01/good-marines-are-made-of-feces.html?showComment=1326805756774#c6481791085522698855

    • KFleetMarineLife

      Go for it, man. It would be a novel that I would like to read.

      • Secretwarrior2012

        You know something, maybe you are right. Maybe I should create a novel on my experiences in the Marine Corps. I will do a tell all; giving the mistakes I made and the bullshit I had to go through, just to give insight on what the Corps was about for me. Thank you for encouraging me KFleet. I will pull no punches!

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Anonymous discussion page!  Oh how you’ve been missed!  1000 Thanks to Civilian’s “Code Ninja”!

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Anonymous discussion page!  Oh how you’ve been missed!  1000 Thanks to Civilian’s “Code Ninja”!

  • Gaijin

    I found this site today while doing research for a memoir project, and I must say I’m very impressed. I’ve been out for over eight years now, and it amazes me that some of these comments still have the power to resonate the way that they do. Once I get a little free time I’d like to register and post some full length articles: everything from the psychological effects of losing personal identity, to American rites of passage, to a healthy dose of personal experience I’m sure.

    Thanks to all my brothers and sister who posted, those of you who haven’t because it’s still too blasphemous, and even those of you who disagree because you are trying to stand up for what you feel is right.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Welcome to the site, I look forward to reading your articles!

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Welcome! And thank you! This will really help the site out and contribute to informing young men and women for years to come.

  • Gaijin

    I found this site today while doing research for a memoir project, and I must say I’m very impressed. I’ve been out for over eight years now, and it amazes me that some of these comments still have the power to resonate the way that they do. Once I get a little free time I’d like to register and post some full length articles: everything from the psychological effects of losing personal identity, to American rites of passage, to a healthy dose of personal experience I’m sure.

    Thanks to all my brothers and sister who posted, those of you who haven’t because it’s still too blasphemous, and even those of you who disagree because you are trying to stand up for what you feel is right.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Welcome to the site, I look forward to reading your articles!

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

       Welcome! And thank you! This will really help the site out and contribute to informing young men and women for years to come.

  • swizzlestik

    Glad this discussion thread is back!

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Me too! 

  • swizzlestik

    Glad this discussion thread is back!

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

       Me too! 

  • PerfectScapegoat

    The EAS Song

    No doubt many of you have seen this clip, which I believe is recognized as a fitting homage for many thousands of discharged Marines. I’ve been out for about 5 years now, but when this character sings, “. . . and last of all we got one more left it’s the most important one, it’s the EAS . . .” I think of the relief I felt while driving out the front gate with my DD-214. It was almost euphoric. The lyrics are so simple, the song a concise encapsulation of his time in the Corps. There is bullshit everywhere and acronyms for everything. And hiding beneath the veneer of this highly lofted institution are the symptoms of confusion and mediocrity: on-duty Marines sleeping, favoritism, politics, avoiding responsibility, etc. Keep in mind, this young man is not singing about your local mechanic in coveralls finishing a beer when he should be repairing your car- he’s talking about the United States Marine Corps. As always, I am excluding those combat-tested Marines and the ones who have paid the ultimate price. The rest of you (including me) deserve no special recognition for just doing our jobs.  

    Motivators love to say, “Well there’s always a share of both love and hate for the Corps.” Just what part of, “Fuck USMC you can suck my cock” in that song conveys love for the Marine Corps? I personally reserve those sentiments for organizations (and the people in them) for which I harbor no affection. You can even tell your girlfriend, “Fuck you” in an argument, as well as “You can suck my cock” in a different setting when both of you are feeling decadent. But you cannot tell your girlfriend, “Fuck you, you can suck my cock.” She just won’t do it. It’s your way of saying, “I think we’re done” in the most undiplomatic way. But I don’t hate the Marine Corps. I won’t waste my time and energy hating it. My relationship with the USMC is a lot like the estrangement you have for that ex-lover who just isn’t right in the head. You pity and sometimes humor her, you know she (or he, for you ladies) is insane, and you can’t help her. And no matter how many times you explain that her negative traits far outweigh her good ones, she’s still going to believe that she made your life richer and more worthwhile. That’s the fallacy many motivators believe, that somewhere in one of the chambers of our hearts we still love and miss the Corps. So you just have to laugh, shake your head, and stay away. Hate is not healthy. I personally prefer expressing my awe and amazement toward these delusions of grandeur, followed by amusement.

    When you compare the happiness level of your graduation from boot camp to your EAS, you will find that the former is grounded upon a belief system that had no or little substance in the first place. And little by little, you learn that the EGAs woven into your uniforms and pinned to your collars take on a different meaning than when you first coveted them. In the beginning, they were symbolic of being the ultimate badass and the consummate professional. But over time, the environment and the resources at your disposal began to reflect the inadequacy of the training protocol and superficial aesthetic of the Corps. Shall I quote Tyler Durden? “Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.” Likewise strutting, yelling and marching in formation does not make you formidable, tougher, or organized. It only makes you more obedient and susceptible to further indoctrination.  Ultimately, your graduation from basic training pales in comparison to your EAS celebration. This is the case 9 times out of 10.

    Perhaps a Marine and/or poolee (those naive, sorry bastards) will argue that if the USMC mentality failed to take hold, we just “didn’t do it right.” Something went awry. We weren’t Marine material. But being Marine material isn’t prestigious at all. The necessary components for being one are really reduced to two main factors: 1. a healthy body (which isn’t at all reflective of your character), and 2. the willingness to obey (like a child). Anything beyond that is derived from the individual. So this whole misconception that Marines somehow acquire admirable abilities and traits that are otherwise inherent is one of the biggest crocks perpetuating the Marine Corps myth.

    If you’re one of those people who knows that had it not been for the Corps, you would’ve been incarcerated, committing felonies and/or just been an overall ineffectual human being, you’re among that alarmingly growing percentage who truly needs such draconian levels of discipline just to function. The Corps has attempted unsuccessfully to correlate the word “discipline” with the words “practical, useful, and efficient.” In other words, a Marine’s ability to do the right thing, to just be DECENT, requires drug tests, structured exercise sessions, and accountability formations to keep him that way. The definition for excellence in the Marine Corps is synonymous with maintaining the status quo in the private sector. Talk about lowering the bar. Those civilians and [few] Marines that have reached or transcended the standards of excellence do so individually, simply because USMC policy is designed as a blueprint for ordinariness. So without equivocation, there are far more excellent people in the civilian world than there ever were in the Corps. Hands down. No question about it. Aside from them being able to run for long periods of time, Marines work very hard in order to become very average.             

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      I hope you don’t mind that I found this to be so awesome that I decided to post it in the blog and then pimp it out via facebook… :D

      • PerfectScapegoat

        That’s great, thanks!        

    • Madmike19682003

      when you get out of the corps have a plan and goals and stick to them. it’s not all rosy out here but on the bright side you have way more freedom and don’t have to put up with aabuse while being told you can’t fight back. nothing good is gonna come to you, you are gonna have to work hard for it. that being said i tell people if you get a civilian job at any company that mandates 2 things 1)you must have a high school diploma or greater to work here 2)you can’t be a convicted felon and work here, than i guarantee you that you will be working with a vastly superior class of people than what you served with in the corps. see for yourself. what you had in the corps was NOT discipline it was a show of discipline. it takes way more real discipline to go to college and get good grades than it does to be a marine. so get ready,work hard,be smart,always look at the bright side and you will do fine.

      • PerfectScapegoat

        Right on Madmike, especially about the more mature dynamics that exist between superior and subordinate in the private sector. The chain of command exists in every job, but in the USMC there is no option to quit immediately if your boss is incompetent or sadistic.             

      • Cocoabchfungirl

        My son is set to go to Parris Island bootcamp in 25 days.  I just stumbled on this site today. I’m scared to death for him.  He has a college degree; he chose Infantry and got it.  He could have applied as an officer but it would be a year before he could get in.  He is 27, very bright and talented at so many things, but he now feels like this is his calling…to serve and protect. He scored extremely high on the ASVAB and he far surpasses the physical requirements of a recruit.  My brain is spinning. He lost his father to cancer at age 17 and I think it really did a job on his psyche.  When my husband (his stepfather) learned that he was going to be a recruit, his jaw dropped. He is a very successful attorney and tried to talk him out of it and to consider other viable options, it didn’t matter. All of this talk about hazing is infuriating me. What the hell is the truth? 

        • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

          And i thought me enlisting at 21 was a horrible decision, you cant let him throw his life away like this! He is an attorney? Obviously college time and lots of money spent right? He will have no time to retain his skills, to practice, imagine losing all of that. He will be treated like the scum of the earth and because of his age he will be a target for the DIs. His athletic abilities? He will most likely get joint problems within his first year, ive been in a year and a half and my joints are already tormenting me. He will lose a large amount of his strength.

          He has a career, he has a life, he has something guys like me in my platoon dream of. I wish i could go to school like my lying recruiter said i could. I wish i could use the gym like my lying recruiter said i could. I wish my body wasnt already falling apart. I wish i didnt do this to myself or my family.

          He will be kept up for hours on end for nothing more than the amusement of the leadership, he will be treated like dirt. If he enlists he needs to go navy or air force where his skills wont be cast aside and everything he has learned lost, if he goes marine corps, the only way he should go is officer. Enlisted is not worth it. There is no war, the troops in afganistan are sitting in bases and going on patrols getting blown up.

          Dont let him do this to himself, this is my second biggest regret in life, my first? That i stopped going to college.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          First of all, let me say that if you had to pick the one MOS where hazing was absolutely guaranteed it would be infantry.  Being an infantry Private First Class, is worse than being a Recruit.

          I was fortunate in not being infantry, however I trained and deployed with them and got a good taste of their way of life.  The best way that I can describe it is that the infantry Marines feel that they need to be the biggest, baddest, toughest dog in the ring, and for some reason, the marine corps’ idea of “tough” is the Drill Instructor.  So the infantry feel the need to yell and scream and impose ridiculous punishments for imaginary infractions on their junior marines in the same way that a Drill Instructor would, except that, rather than being in a semi-controlled environment, (Ihatedis89’s story being a clear demonstration that rules are only followed when they think they might get caught) infantry Marines take their men out to “the field” where there’s no one else present and they can impose their insane demands on the junior Marines with impunity.

          Furthermore, at age 27, he’s too old to be joining the enlisted side of things.  I realize that 27 is young to the majority of the world, but let me stress to you that 27 is too old for your son to be putting his body through 4 years of the physical stress of the marine corps.  Being an officer is one thing, he can go to the gym, go run, do whatever he needs to do to stay in shape, and then go do a job that doesn’t require as much physical effort.  I can’t stress enough that the enlisted side takes a serious physical toll on your body, and being 27 at the beginning gives him a nasty disadvantage.

          On top of all this, he will be seriously wasting his college degree, and his mental prowess by enlisting.  I myself scored a 93 on the ASVAB, so I can tell you for a fact that being in the enlisted side of the marine corps requires you to effectively “shut off your brain.”  Basically, in order to cope with the demands put upon you, you need to just put on the blinders, don’t think about the ramifications for doing what you’ve been ordered, and just push through and do it.  Those of us who actually stop and think about what we’re doing, and realize that we’re accomplishing very little, tend to end up on this site.

          To summarize, it is my sincere belief that it would be an enormous waste of your son’s intelligence and ambition for him to enlist in the marine corps.  Furthermore, the corps is cutting Lieutenants left and right because the corps is downsizing.  So, while becoming an officer would be an significantly better fit for your son, the marine corps isn’t making that an option.  If your son is truly driven to “serve and protect”, as you put it, I would strongly recommend that he do it as an officer in a branch other than the marine corps.

          I hope that this has been helpful.  If you have any further questions please don’t hesitate to ask.

          Safety and Peace

        • Madmike19682003

          i am on this site not to bash the corps but to make it better. i am also here to try and help people as best as i can,to try and give them a heads up on what the corps is really like and what they will be facing when they hit the fleet(the real marine corps.where you go after boot camp and mos school). i may be at a disadvantage compared to some other marines like ninja punch because while he is still in i got honorably discharged about 20 years back and now have a good civilian job. a lot of what i know is obsolete compared to the younger guys on this site so please bear with me and feel free to get a second opinion. i spent 4 years in the infantry and what ninja punch said is true there is hazing and then there is infantry hazing. a 27 year old man will have a very hard time saluting officers younger than him and getting yelled at by nco’s way younger than him and substantially stupider than him. as for hazing..1)don’t take shit off anyone2)if they won’t do it you don’t do it3)only take orders from people in your chain of command4)don’t loan money or items to anybody..you ain’t getting paid back5)never allow yourself to be hazed,if they threaten you fight back and scream to base legal afterwards6)educate yourself…knowledge is power..learn what marines can do to you and what they can’t.. i’m amazed to this day all the crap they do that is technically illegal. i joined at 19 after a year of college and they looked at me like a one eyed four armed circus freak so your son is in for a shock. most marines do not join primarily to defend america…they join mostly for mercenary reasons so being patriotic can put him at odds with other marines like it did me. the  best advice i can give if  he joins is to do whatever it takes to get commissioned because being a enlisted grunt absolutely sucked for me at least even though i toughed it out in the end.

          • Madmike19682003

            one other thing that also comes to mind is most enlisted marines are very blue collar working class type people. many hate people who in their minds grew up up in nicer neighborhoods and went to better schools. the corps is very class conscious and coming from the upper middle class will put you on a lotta radar screens..and not in a good way. my dad was a doctor and my mother a lawyer and telling the other marines what they did for a living was a mistake that caused me no small amount of grief. i shoulda said they both worked in a car factory or steel mill. he might not want to volunteer his background unless it’s required.

          • Cocoabchfungirl

            Thank you so much.  It’s not too late to turn back for my son, right?  He is not an attorney.  My husband (his stepfather) is an attorney.  I’m not sure who thought on this site that my son was an attorney. Maybe I didn’t word it right.  My son has a degree in recording arts from Full Sail in Orlando,  He has so many gifts, I can’t even begin to tell you how gifted he his. Do you think it was coincidence that this site just “happened” to show up on my google search?  no.  me either.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            “Do you think it was coincidence that this site just “happened” to show up on my google search? no. me either.”

            tears :)

        • Brak

          Your son is goin to get ficked with. Getting woke up at 3 am to DD some dumb senior around town. Lots of picking up trash. Getting yelled at for no reason. Getting snatched for calling a corpral a lance. Getting pinched kicked and having shit thrown at you. Hellish field days. It’s going to suck hard. No one on this site is blowing smoke when they talk about how bad it is…

    • swizzlestik

      Outstanding.

  • PerfectScapegoat

    The EAS Song

    No doubt many of you have seen this clip, which I believe is recognized as a fitting homage for many thousands of discharged Marines. I’ve been out for about 5 years now, but when this character sings, “. . . and last of all we got one more left it’s the most important one, it’s the EAS . . .” I think of the relief I felt while driving out the front gate with my DD-214. It was almost euphoric. The lyrics are so simple, the song a concise encapsulation of his time in the Corps. There is bullshit everywhere and acronyms for everything. And hiding beneath the veneer of this highly lofted institution are the symptoms of confusion and mediocrity: on-duty Marines sleeping, favoritism, politics, avoiding responsibility, etc. Keep in mind, this young man is not singing about your local mechanic in coveralls finishing a beer when he should be repairing your car- he’s talking about the United States Marine Corps. As always, I am excluding those combat-tested Marines and the ones who have paid the ultimate price. The rest of you (including me) deserve no special recognition for just doing our jobs.  

    Motivators love to say, “Well there’s always a share of both love and hate for the Corps.” Just what part of, “Fuck USMC you can suck my cock” in that song conveys love for the Marine Corps? I personally reserve those sentiments for organizations (and the people in them) for which I harbor no affection. You can even tell your girlfriend, “Fuck you” in an argument, as well as “You can suck my cock” in a different setting when both of you are feeling decadent. But you cannot tell your girlfriend, “Fuck you, you can suck my cock.” She just won’t do it. It’s your way of saying, “I think we’re done” in the most undiplomatic way. But I don’t hate the Marine Corps. I won’t waste my time and energy hating it. My relationship with the USMC is a lot like the estrangement you have for that ex-lover who just isn’t right in the head. You pity and sometimes humor her, you know she (or he, for you ladies) is insane, and you can’t help her. And no matter how many times you explain that her negative traits far outweigh her good ones, she’s still going to believe that she made your life richer and more worthwhile. That’s the fallacy many motivators believe, that somewhere in one of the chambers of our hearts we still love and miss the Corps. So you just have to laugh, shake your head, and stay away. Hate is not healthy. I personally prefer expressing my awe and amazement toward these delusions of grandeur, followed by amusement.

    When you compare the happiness level of your graduation from boot camp to your EAS, you will find that the former is grounded upon a belief system that had no or little substance in the first place. And little by little, you learn that the EGAs woven into your uniforms and pinned to your collars take on a different meaning than when you first coveted them. In the beginning, they were symbolic of being the ultimate badass and the consummate professional. But over time, the environment and the resources at your disposal began to reflect the inadequacy of the training protocol and superficial aesthetic of the Corps. Shall I quote Tyler Durden? “Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.” Likewise strutting, yelling and marching in formation does not make you formidable, tougher, or organized. It only makes you more obedient and susceptible to further indoctrination.  Ultimately, your graduation from basic training pales in comparison to your EAS celebration. This is the case 9 times out of 10.

    Perhaps a Marine and/or poolee (those naive, sorry bastards) will argue that if the USMC mentality failed to take hold, we just “didn’t do it right.” Something went awry. We weren’t Marine material. But being Marine material isn’t prestigious at all. The necessary components for being one are really reduced to two main factors: 1. a healthy body (which isn’t at all reflective of your character), and 2. the willingness to obey (like a child). Anything beyond that is derived from the individual. So this whole misconception that Marines somehow acquire admirable abilities and traits that are otherwise inherent is one of the biggest crocks perpetuating the Marine Corps myth.

    If you’re one of those people who knows that had it not been for the Corps, you would’ve been incarcerated, committing felonies and/or just been an overall ineffectual human being, you’re among that alarmingly growing percentage who truly needs such draconian levels of discipline just to function. The Corps has attempted unsuccessfully to correlate the word “discipline” with the words “practical, useful, and efficient.” In other words, a Marine’s ability to do the right thing, to just be DECENT, requires drug tests, structured exercise sessions, and accountability formations to keep him that way. The definition for excellence in the Marine Corps is synonymous with maintaining the status quo in the private sector. Talk about lowering the bar. Those civilians and [few] Marines that have reached or transcended the standards of excellence do so individually, simply because USMC policy is designed as a blueprint for ordinariness. So without equivocation, there are far more excellent people in the civilian world than there ever were in the Corps. Hands down. No question about it. Aside from them being able to run for long periods of time, Marines work very hard in order to become very average.             

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      I hope you don’t mind that I found this to be so awesome that I decided to post it in the blog and then pimp it out via facebook… :D

      • PerfectScapegoat

        That’s great, thanks!        

    • Madmike19682003

      when you get out of the corps have a plan and goals and stick to them. it’s not all rosy out here but on the bright side you have way more freedom and don’t have to put up with aabuse while being told you can’t fight back. nothing good is gonna come to you, you are gonna have to work hard for it. that being said i tell people if you get a civilian job at any company that mandates 2 things 1)you must have a high school diploma or greater to work here 2)you can’t be a convicted felon and work here, than i guarantee you that you will be working with a vastly superior class of people than what you served with in the corps. see for yourself. what you had in the corps was NOT discipline it was a show of discipline. it takes way more real discipline to go to college and get good grades than it does to be a marine. so get ready,work hard,be smart,always look at the bright side and you will do fine.

      • PerfectScapegoat

        Right on Madmike, especially about the more mature dynamics that exist between superior and subordinate in the private sector. The chain of command exists in every job, but in the USMC there is no option to quit immediately if your boss is incompetent or sadistic.             

      • Cocoabchfungirl

        My son is set to go to Parris Island bootcamp in 25 days.  I just stumbled on this site today. I’m scared to death for him.  He has a college degree; he chose Infantry and got it.  He could have applied as an officer but it would be a year before he could get in.  He is 27, very bright and talented at so many things, but he now feels like this is his calling…to serve and protect. He scored extremely high on the ASVAB and he far surpasses the physical requirements of a recruit.  My brain is spinning. He lost his father to cancer at age 17 and I think it really did a job on his psyche.  When my husband (his stepfather) learned that he was going to be a recruit, his jaw dropped. He is a very successful attorney and tried to talk him out of it and to consider other viable options, it didn’t matter. All of this talk about hazing is infuriating me. What the hell is the truth? 

        • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

          And i thought me enlisting at 21 was a horrible decision, you cant let him throw his life away like this! He is an attorney? Obviously college time and lots of money spent right? He will have no time to retain his skills, to practice, imagine losing all of that. He will be treated like the scum of the earth and because of his age he will be a target for the DIs. His athletic abilities? He will most likely get joint problems within his first year, ive been in a year and a half and my joints are already tormenting me. He will lose a large amount of his strength.

          He has a career, he has a life, he has something guys like me in my platoon dream of. I wish i could go to school like my lying recruiter said i could. I wish i could use the gym like my lying recruiter said i could. I wish my body wasnt already falling apart. I wish i didnt do this to myself or my family.

          He will be kept up for hours on end for nothing more than the amusement of the leadership, he will be treated like dirt. If he enlists he needs to go navy or air force where his skills wont be cast aside and everything he has learned lost, if he goes marine corps, the only way he should go is officer. Enlisted is not worth it. There is no war, the troops in afganistan are sitting in bases and going on patrols getting blown up.

          Dont let him do this to himself, this is my second biggest regret in life, my first? That i stopped going to college.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          First of all, let me say that if you had to pick the one MOS where hazing was absolutely guaranteed it would be infantry.  Being an infantry Private First Class, is worse than being a Recruit.

          I was fortunate in not being infantry, however I trained and deployed with them and got a good taste of their way of life.  The best way that I can describe it is that the infantry Marines feel that they need to be the biggest, baddest, toughest dog in the ring, and for some reason, the marine corps’ idea of “tough” is the Drill Instructor.  So the infantry feel the need to yell and scream and impose ridiculous punishments for imaginary infractions on their junior marines in the same way that a Drill Instructor would, except that, rather than being in a semi-controlled environment, (Ihatedis89’s story being a clear demonstration that rules are only followed when they think they might get caught) infantry Marines take their men out to “the field” where there’s no one else present and they can impose their insane demands on the junior Marines with impunity.

          Furthermore, at age 27, he’s too old to be joining the enlisted side of things.  I realize that 27 is young to the majority of the world, but let me stress to you that 27 is too old for your son to be putting his body through 4 years of the physical stress of the marine corps.  Being an officer is one thing, he can go to the gym, go run, do whatever he needs to do to stay in shape, and then go do a job that doesn’t require as much physical effort.  I can’t stress enough that the enlisted side takes a serious physical toll on your body, and being 27 at the beginning gives him a nasty disadvantage.

          On top of all this, he will be seriously wasting his college degree, and his mental prowess by enlisting.  I myself scored a 93 on the ASVAB, so I can tell you for a fact that being in the enlisted side of the marine corps requires you to effectively “shut off your brain.”  Basically, in order to cope with the demands put upon you, you need to just put on the blinders, don’t think about the ramifications for doing what you’ve been ordered, and just push through and do it.  Those of us who actually stop and think about what we’re doing, and realize that we’re accomplishing very little, tend to end up on this site.

          To summarize, it is my sincere belief that it would be an enormous waste of your son’s intelligence and ambition for him to enlist in the marine corps.  Furthermore, the corps is cutting Lieutenants left and right because the corps is downsizing.  So, while becoming an officer would be an significantly better fit for your son, the marine corps isn’t making that an option.  If your son is truly driven to “serve and protect”, as you put it, I would strongly recommend that he do it as an officer in a branch other than the marine corps.

          I hope that this has been helpful.  If you have any further questions please don’t hesitate to ask.

          Safety and Peace

        • Madmike19682003

          i am on this site not to bash the corps but to make it better. i am also here to try and help people as best as i can,to try and give them a heads up on what the corps is really like and what they will be facing when they hit the fleet(the real marine corps.where you go after boot camp and mos school). i may be at a disadvantage compared to some other marines like ninja punch because while he is still in i got honorably discharged about 20 years back and now have a good civilian job. a lot of what i know is obsolete compared to the younger guys on this site so please bear with me and feel free to get a second opinion. i spent 4 years in the infantry and what ninja punch said is true there is hazing and then there is infantry hazing. a 27 year old man will have a very hard time saluting officers younger than him and getting yelled at by nco’s way younger than him and substantially stupider than him. as for hazing..1)don’t take shit off anyone2)if they won’t do it you don’t do it3)only take orders from people in your chain of command4)don’t loan money or items to anybody..you ain’t getting paid back5)never allow yourself to be hazed,if they threaten you fight back and scream to base legal afterwards6)educate yourself…knowledge is power..learn what marines can do to you and what they can’t.. i’m amazed to this day all the crap they do that is technically illegal. i joined at 19 after a year of college and they looked at me like a one eyed four armed circus freak so your son is in for a shock. most marines do not join primarily to defend america…they join mostly for mercenary reasons so being patriotic can put him at odds with other marines like it did me. the  best advice i can give if  he joins is to do whatever it takes to get commissioned because being a enlisted grunt absolutely sucked for me at least even though i toughed it out in the end.

          • Madmike19682003

            one other thing that also comes to mind is most enlisted marines are very blue collar working class type people. many hate people who in their minds grew up up in nicer neighborhoods and went to better schools. the corps is very class conscious and coming from the upper middle class will put you on a lotta radar screens..and not in a good way. my dad was a doctor and my mother a lawyer and telling the other marines what they did for a living was a mistake that caused me no small amount of grief. i shoulda said they both worked in a car factory or steel mill. he might not want to volunteer his background unless it’s required.

          • Cocoabchfungirl

            Thank you so much.  It’s not too late to turn back for my son, right?  He is not an attorney.  My husband (his stepfather) is an attorney.  I’m not sure who thought on this site that my son was an attorney. Maybe I didn’t word it right.  My son has a degree in recording arts from Full Sail in Orlando,  He has so many gifts, I can’t even begin to tell you how gifted he his. Do you think it was coincidence that this site just “happened” to show up on my google search?  no.  me either.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            “Do you think it was coincidence that this site just “happened” to show up on my google search? no. me either.”

            tears :)

        • Brak

          Your son is goin to get ficked with. Getting woke up at 3 am to DD some dumb senior around town. Lots of picking up trash. Getting yelled at for no reason. Getting snatched for calling a corpral a lance. Getting pinched kicked and having shit thrown at you. Hellish field days. It’s going to suck hard. No one on this site is blowing smoke when they talk about how bad it is…

    • swizzlestik

      Outstanding.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian
  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.
  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    I organized my pantry. Very ninja like.  
    Now I can grab any single food item out of my pantry in less than a second. 

    Just an FYI

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    I organized my pantry. Very ninja like.  
    Now I can grab any single food item out of my pantry in less than a second. 

    Just an FYI

  • anonymous

    great post from perfectscapegoat! I came across this site and got to reading and Im glad to see there are people who feel similar to the way I do. I’ve been in for a year but realized on the bus to Parris Island that I screwed up, LOL. I can’t wait to EAS. They got me good….I came in expecting the brotherhood that was advertised, boy was I wrong. Getting paid to be turned into a badass seemed pretty enticing, in addition to getting in great shape. Took me about 5 seconds to realize that nobody in this world can push me harder than I can push myself. I run 300 PFT and CFTs but I was in better shape before I joined, go figure. the hypocrisy and politics in this organization are mind boggling. It’s built around hazing. the changes that would have to be made to make this what it’s advertised as would take a life time. 

  • anonymous

    great post from perfectscapegoat! I came across this site and got to reading and Im glad to see there are people who feel similar to the way I do. I’ve been in for a year but realized on the bus to Parris Island that I screwed up, LOL. I can’t wait to EAS. They got me good….I came in expecting the brotherhood that was advertised, boy was I wrong. Getting paid to be turned into a badass seemed pretty enticing, in addition to getting in great shape. Took me about 5 seconds to realize that nobody in this world can push me harder than I can push myself. I run 300 PFT and CFTs but I was in better shape before I joined, go figure. the hypocrisy and politics in this organization are mind boggling. It’s built around hazing. the changes that would have to be made to make this what it’s advertised as would take a life time. 

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Just a heads up to anyone who may be interested, I’m still working on my post on “How to get out of the marine corps”.  Unfortunately at the moment I’m at a stand still as I wait for the date of my final physical and also until I can get my checkout sheet some time next week.  Once that happens you should start seeing some updates again.

    http://www.usmcsolutions.com/archives/691

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Just a heads up to anyone who may be interested, I’m still working on my post on “How to get out of the marine corps”.  Unfortunately at the moment I’m at a stand still as I wait for the date of my final physical and also until I can get my checkout sheet some time next week.  Once that happens you should start seeing some updates again.

    http://www.usmcsolutions.com/archives/691

  • Billycraft123

    I was motivated to join the Marine Corps, I was, my dad was a Marine, my uncle a Marine and grandfather also, a Marine.  So I was pretty much motivated as fuck before going to bootcamp, I was thinking like, oh wait until they see me, just wait, it will be the greatest thing ever being a Marine, and I was motivated until i got to Parris island, and realized how much bootcamp sucked and how brutal it was, like everyone else, and after the crucible, I was motto as hell, and was pumped, and it only kind of hit me that week, prior to crucible, on the way to church, I talked to another recruit, thinking, wow, I kind of just endured these past 12 weeks, and really, I kind of want to be a civillian again.  So i realized I satisfied that urge of wanting and being a Marine down in parris island, and I wanted to be a civillian again, until the reality set it, that I was fucking locked in, for the next 6 years of my life….
    Back to what I was saying before, so after the crucible, i was motto as fuck, couldn’t wait to come home and show off to the girlfriend and to all those scumfucks i graduated highschool with.  So I get home on bootleave, half way through, and fucking realize I want to be a civillian again, and I did not want to leave, I realized how fucking awesome the civllian life is, how much I took for granted.  Because In Parris Island I learned everything i needed to learn, I realized you have to a complete piece of shit to not be sucessful inthe civillian world, and hard work is easy, you just gotta fucking do it.  Thats what I got out of the Marine Corps, and thats really all I wanted out of it, I joined becuase i felt i was a screwup who was lazy, i felt I needed a change, an appiphany so to speak, and I got one, and now thats its all said and done, I want out becuase I fufilled and learaned everything I wanted from the Marine Corps when I was in the parris Island, now i just want to live my life and leave the Marine Corps behind, but I can’t and I’m stuck with it the next 6 years of my life.  Okay, so I’m reserve you say, not too bad right?  Wrong.  I have a Sergeant who just came off of active duty, who was only his second drill last month (as it was for me too) and he was basically telling me how much he hated it as well.  Ill tell you why.
    So, I get a taste of civllian life during my month off right?  Well heres why it sucks, because the reserve in a sense, is like teasing an animal, they constantly feel like they’re gonna get the thing they want, but the reality is, they’re not gonna get that fucking dog bone.  ANd that’s the reserve, I’m teased with, ‘oh you can go to school’  ‘oh you can work’, but the reality is every fucking month I have to sacrifice a weekend, and report for this bullshit, how can I accomidate a school scheudale, what if i have a final the monday after the weekend, and with my major, being finance, how can I work as a corporate banker, with crazy hours, and say they need me to come in on a saturday, oh wait, cant cause of reserve, all the reserve does it get your enjoying and becoming comfortable with civillian life making you feel free for a little why, and then all of a sudden the carpet is pulled out from underneath  you, pretty much saying “JK YEAH RIGHT LOLOLOL, YOU’RE MINE THE NEXT 6 YEARS BITCH”.  And thats what makes it suck, it could be a weekend needed for work, vacation, a wedding, nope, gotta sacrifice it.
    So this is my 3rd drill coming up, and I just fucking hate it, a lot of what has to do with it are these power insane, unintelligent douche bags that are your fellow Marines.  Everytime  I go, there are in particular these 2 douche bags I have to put up with, who I went to MOS school with and were such assholes to me, and I thought i’d never have to see them again, but of course they end up at my unit, and they make my life suck, so my entire month I just dread going back to drill, and while I’m there I just feel like shit, and just knowing that this will be my life the 6 years makes me want to get the fuck out, I hate it, it does nothing for me except get in the way of pursuing my civillian career and life with my girlfriend, and it just fucking urks me, living month to month, dreading each month, because of the upcoming drill dates, and just having that in the back of my head, the whole month makes me anxious, depressed and shitty, and knowing that im going to have to put up with this fucking emotional drain for the next 6 years of my life, makes me want to go to drastic measures to get the fuck out, if there is anyway for 6 years to pass quickly, please, someone let me in on it, because i fucking hate the way my life looks right now.

    • Madmike19682003

      maybe drag school out so you graduate when you get out of the reserves that way isn’t does not conflict with your post college career. you can volunteer for active duty deployments and that will earn some brownie points with guys in your reserve unit as well as alter the schedule of when you graduate school and give you a break from the normal routine. and no matter how much it sucks now it is better than active duty. remember you are only a slave 2 days a week while we were slaves 7 days a week. also in my experience reservists are a better class of people on average than active duty jarheads.

      • Madmike19682003

        i mean you are only a slave 2 or 3 days a month plus summer camp.

        • spook

          I just want to point out that after my deployment, the week on either side of drill renders me useless and filled with uncontrollable anxiety and rage.

          Yep, we only lose a weekend!  And you guys only lose 4 years, it doesn’t follow you afterwards!  Oh wait, that’s an asinine way to look at it.
          These are two different lifestyles that manage to have the exact same symptoms because they’re two facets of an extremely broken organization.

    • anonymous

      Do you have any idea what I’d do to have the next 4 years on my contract be as a reservist? I know it sucks, but the things you’re bitching about are trivial compared to what people on active duty might be dealing with. so it’s a slight inconvenience to schedule school/work around it (it absolutely can be done) and 2-3 days out of your month suck. so what, enjoy the fact that you can lead an almost normal life still. the number of days that suck in my month depends on how many days there are in that month. I hear you on “getting what you wanted out of it at boot camp.” thats exactly how I felt. keep your head up

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Dude, I get it man.  While I agree that active duty has it worse just because they have to live it every frickin day, I know quite a few reservists who have some pretty legitimate gripes about their units.  Frankly, from what I’ve been told about weekend drill, it sounds like they squeeze about a weeks worth of bullshit into that one weekend a month.

      So all in all, yeah active duty is probably worse, but I have no doubts that the reserves sucks pretty bad too.

      Safety and Peace

    • Lou

      Just quit! Simply don’t show up for your weekend duties a few times, tell them you don’t want to play anymore and they will let you out of your contract. They’ll tell you all kinds of things are going to happen to you but that’s just to scare you to stay in. They will get the hint after a few times. Good luck Mr. Used to be a Marine…sounds good don’t you think.

      • Egfmark

         Lou, that would be an excellent way to lower or lose your benefits.  A contract is a contract, and no showing isn’t the way to get out.  They WILL catch you one day courtesy of renewing your drivers license. FAFSA, applying for a gun permit, etc.  Suck it up, and do your time honorably like everyone else.  You should also keep in mind that some of the most valuable experiences aren’t always the fun ones.  I sure as hell hated my life while I was in, but I was raised to not go back on your commitments even when you’re faced with adversity.

    • Jizzle1414

      Stop bitchin im active duty wit a five year contract

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        Dude, come on, no need to have a dick measuring contest over who hates their life more.  I’m active duty approaching the end of my 4 years, but that’s not what he’s writing about.  
        What we all need to realize is that it’s not about how many days out of our months are a living hell for us, it’s about the simple fact that any day spent in the marine corps is a living hell.  Whether you’re active duty or reservist, the marine corps will take your will to live, by any means necessary, and infighting about active duty vs reserves gets us nowhere.

    • anonymous

      NINJA PUNCH I wasn’t trying to tell him to fuck off because I or others have it worse by being active. I was trying to get the point across that he’s in a position where he can make the very best of his situation whereas those on active duty really can’t. If I was a reservist there’s no way I’d give the corps the time of day to get on the internet and talk about it. I’d forget it existed 28 days of the month. I know it sucks but make the best of it bro.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

        Dude who cares, let the man say what he wants to say.  This guy came here with a problem that effects his life. Telling him his problem is nothing compared to yours does not get anywhere. It just makes you look like a dick.Let’s try to be helpful instead being ass backwards.

  • Billycraft123

    I was motivated to join the Marine Corps, I was, my dad was a Marine, my uncle a Marine and grandfather also, a Marine.  So I was pretty much motivated as fuck before going to bootcamp, I was thinking like, oh wait until they see me, just wait, it will be the greatest thing ever being a Marine, and I was motivated until i got to Parris island, and realized how much bootcamp sucked and how brutal it was, like everyone else, and after the crucible, I was motto as hell, and was pumped, and it only kind of hit me that week, prior to crucible, on the way to church, I talked to another recruit, thinking, wow, I kind of just endured these past 12 weeks, and really, I kind of want to be a civillian again.  So i realized I satisfied that urge of wanting and being a Marine down in parris island, and I wanted to be a civillian again, until the reality set it, that I was fucking locked in, for the next 6 years of my life….
    Back to what I was saying before, so after the crucible, i was motto as fuck, couldn’t wait to come home and show off to the girlfriend and to all those scumfucks i graduated highschool with.  So I get home on bootleave, half way through, and fucking realize I want to be a civillian again, and I did not want to leave, I realized how fucking awesome the civllian life is, how much I took for granted.  Because In Parris Island I learned everything i needed to learn, I realized you have to a complete piece of shit to not be sucessful inthe civillian world, and hard work is easy, you just gotta fucking do it.  Thats what I got out of the Marine Corps, and thats really all I wanted out of it, I joined becuase i felt i was a screwup who was lazy, i felt I needed a change, an appiphany so to speak, and I got one, and now thats its all said and done, I want out becuase I fufilled and learaned everything I wanted from the Marine Corps when I was in the parris Island, now i just want to live my life and leave the Marine Corps behind, but I can’t and I’m stuck with it the next 6 years of my life.  Okay, so I’m reserve you say, not too bad right?  Wrong.  I have a Sergeant who just came off of active duty, who was only his second drill last month (as it was for me too) and he was basically telling me how much he hated it as well.  Ill tell you why.
    So, I get a taste of civllian life during my month off right?  Well heres why it sucks, because the reserve in a sense, is like teasing an animal, they constantly feel like they’re gonna get the thing they want, but the reality is, they’re not gonna get that fucking dog bone.  ANd that’s the reserve, I’m teased with, ‘oh you can go to school’  ‘oh you can work’, but the reality is every fucking month I have to sacrifice a weekend, and report for this bullshit, how can I accomidate a school scheudale, what if i have a final the monday after the weekend, and with my major, being finance, how can I work as a corporate banker, with crazy hours, and say they need me to come in on a saturday, oh wait, cant cause of reserve, all the reserve does it get your enjoying and becoming comfortable with civillian life making you feel free for a little why, and then all of a sudden the carpet is pulled out from underneath  you, pretty much saying “JK YEAH RIGHT LOLOLOL, YOU’RE MINE THE NEXT 6 YEARS BITCH”.  And thats what makes it suck, it could be a weekend needed for work, vacation, a wedding, nope, gotta sacrifice it.
    So this is my 3rd drill coming up, and I just fucking hate it, a lot of what has to do with it are these power insane, unintelligent douche bags that are your fellow Marines.  Everytime  I go, there are in particular these 2 douche bags I have to put up with, who I went to MOS school with and were such assholes to me, and I thought i’d never have to see them again, but of course they end up at my unit, and they make my life suck, so my entire month I just dread going back to drill, and while I’m there I just feel like shit, and just knowing that this will be my life the 6 years makes me want to get the fuck out, I hate it, it does nothing for me except get in the way of pursuing my civillian career and life with my girlfriend, and it just fucking urks me, living month to month, dreading each month, because of the upcoming drill dates, and just having that in the back of my head, the whole month makes me anxious, depressed and shitty, and knowing that im going to have to put up with this fucking emotional drain for the next 6 years of my life, makes me want to go to drastic measures to get the fuck out, if there is anyway for 6 years to pass quickly, please, someone let me in on it, because i fucking hate the way my life looks right now.

    • Madmike19682003

      maybe drag school out so you graduate when you get out of the reserves that way isn’t does not conflict with your post college career. you can volunteer for active duty deployments and that will earn some brownie points with guys in your reserve unit as well as alter the schedule of when you graduate school and give you a break from the normal routine. and no matter how much it sucks now it is better than active duty. remember you are only a slave 2 days a week while we were slaves 7 days a week. also in my experience reservists are a better class of people on average than active duty jarheads.

      • Madmike19682003

        i mean you are only a slave 2 or 3 days a month plus summer camp.

        • spook

          I just want to point out that after my deployment, the week on either side of drill renders me useless and filled with uncontrollable anxiety and rage.

          Yep, we only lose a weekend!  And you guys only lose 4 years, it doesn’t follow you afterwards!  Oh wait, that’s an asinine way to look at it.
          These are two different lifestyles that manage to have the exact same symptoms because they’re two facets of an extremely broken organization.

    • anonymous

      Do you have any idea what I’d do to have the next 4 years on my contract be as a reservist? I know it sucks, but the things you’re bitching about are trivial compared to what people on active duty might be dealing with. so it’s a slight inconvenience to schedule school/work around it (it absolutely can be done) and 2-3 days out of your month suck. so what, enjoy the fact that you can lead an almost normal life still. the number of days that suck in my month depends on how many days there are in that month. I hear you on “getting what you wanted out of it at boot camp.” thats exactly how I felt. keep your head up

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Dude, I get it man.  While I agree that active duty has it worse just because they have to live it every frickin day, I know quite a few reservists who have some pretty legitimate gripes about their units.  Frankly, from what I’ve been told about weekend drill, it sounds like they squeeze about a weeks worth of bullshit into that one weekend a month.

      So all in all, yeah active duty is probably worse, but I have no doubts that the reserves sucks pretty bad too.

      Safety and Peace

    • Lou

      Just quit! Simply don’t show up for your weekend duties a few times, tell them you don’t want to play anymore and they will let you out of your contract. They’ll tell you all kinds of things are going to happen to you but that’s just to scare you to stay in. They will get the hint after a few times. Good luck Mr. Used to be a Marine…sounds good don’t you think.

      • Egfmark

         Lou, that would be an excellent way to lower or lose your benefits.  A contract is a contract, and no showing isn’t the way to get out.  They WILL catch you one day courtesy of renewing your drivers license. FAFSA, applying for a gun permit, etc.  Suck it up, and do your time honorably like everyone else.  You should also keep in mind that some of the most valuable experiences aren’t always the fun ones.  I sure as hell hated my life while I was in, but I was raised to not go back on your commitments even when you’re faced with adversity.

    • Jizzle1414

      Stop bitchin im active duty wit a five year contract

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        Dude, come on, no need to have a dick measuring contest over who hates their life more.  I’m active duty approaching the end of my 4 years, but that’s not what he’s writing about.  
        What we all need to realize is that it’s not about how many days out of our months are a living hell for us, it’s about the simple fact that any day spent in the marine corps is a living hell.  Whether you’re active duty or reservist, the marine corps will take your will to live, by any means necessary, and infighting about active duty vs reserves gets us nowhere.

    • anonymous

      NINJA PUNCH I wasn’t trying to tell him to fuck off because I or others have it worse by being active. I was trying to get the point across that he’s in a position where he can make the very best of his situation whereas those on active duty really can’t. If I was a reservist there’s no way I’d give the corps the time of day to get on the internet and talk about it. I’d forget it existed 28 days of the month. I know it sucks but make the best of it bro.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        Dude who cares, let the man say what he wants to say.  This guy came here with a problem that effects his life. Telling him his problem is nothing compared to yours does not get anywhere. It just makes you look like a dick.Let’s try to be helpful instead being ass backwards.

  • Lance For Life

    A good friend and former senior drill instructor was on deck when that happened. That drill instructor had just been left my his wife. Recruits are not the only ones who get stressed out. I dont hate the Marine Corps. I loved it. But 99 percent of what im reading is real as it gets.

    Lance For Life
    2005-2009
    1st. Bn Alpha Co.

  • Fuckthiscorps

    this is the most amazing website i have ever seen. iv been in the marine corps about a year now and can’t wait to get the fuck out. if your a poolie of thinking about it, donttttt do it. if your that set on the military then go air force. you may think you won’t make it in life because you “drink to much and smoke to much weed” well i thought so to. about a month before i left for boot i decided i didn’t want to go but let people talk me back into to. i should have followed my gut and lived a happy life

    • Madmike19682003

      i know it sucks but just do your duty,do the time honorably,hold your head high,do the job better than any motard and get out at your eas. don’t desert or anything stupid like that. the time will also go by faster if you have a hobby. don’t turn to alcohol or drugs to escape the misery,that just makes it worse. hang tough and you’ll do fine.

  • Fuckthiscorps

    this is the most amazing website i have ever seen. iv been in the marine corps about a year now and can’t wait to get the fuck out. if your a poolie of thinking about it, donttttt do it. if your that set on the military then go air force. you may think you won’t make it in life because you “drink to much and smoke to much weed” well i thought so to. about a month before i left for boot i decided i didn’t want to go but let people talk me back into to. i should have followed my gut and lived a happy life

    • Madmike19682003

      i know it sucks but just do your duty,do the time honorably,hold your head high,do the job better than any motard and get out at your eas. don’t desert or anything stupid like that. the time will also go by faster if you have a hobby. don’t turn to alcohol or drugs to escape the misery,that just makes it worse. hang tough and you’ll do fine.

  • Fart

    Hey motivators, have a question for you.  Do you guys miss that smell.  I mean really miss that sweet smell.  Well, we need the fart dude to come back.  ‘This is my fart, there are many like it but this one is’.  Man I love farts and farting on motivators.  So who wants to come back and fart with me?  And then I can fart on you so hard your chevrons fly off!

  • Fart

    Hey motivators, have a question for you.  Do you guys miss that smell.  I mean really miss that sweet smell.  Well, we need the fart dude to come back.  ‘This is my fart, there are many like it but this one is’.  Man I love farts and farting on motivators.  So who wants to come back and fart with me?  And then I can fart on you so hard your chevrons fly off!

  • Jizzle1414

    Iam a lance corporal currently stationed in japan. I have been in for two and a half years. I hate ky life. Any poolees dont do it. Join the air force or the army. I have an ex girlfriend in the army and she loves it. Dont do it. I have a five year contract and im halfway done. I hate my life.

  • Jizzle1414

    Iam a lance corporal currently stationed in japan. I have been in for two and a half years. I hate ky life. Any poolees dont do it. Join the air force or the army. I have an ex girlfriend in the army and she loves it. Dont do it. I have a five year contract and im halfway done. I hate my life.

  • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

    My recruiter lied. We are treated as though we are less than human every day, we are disredpected on a personal and professional level every day. We are made to stay outside in the cold for no reason, made to stay up late for no reason. Field day is nothing more than something tedious and annoying they do just to prove they are in charge. This is no brotherhood, my platoonmates would lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead with no regard for anyone else. They will single people out and attack them verbally and constantly for no reason. Cleaning weapons lasts just like field day, you clean until they cant find a speck of dust, and when they find dust 3 hours in they got it out of their own pocket. Even now these children are pelting me with rocks at the rifle range for no reason.

    The marine corps put me in my MOS and didnt even give me the chance to be screened for the MOS I signed for. If there is a possibility to get out of the infantry side or the entire marine corps which wont destroy my future i will find it and take it. Dis honor and discouragement. I have no comittment. The marine corps took all the pride i had and took it from me. I am ashamed every time i wear these cammies. I represent the adulterers, murders, cowards, and weaklings that feed off their rank wearing this dishonorable uniform. The list i have of wrongs, of disrespect, of all the things done to me alone is unacceptable.

    NEVER FI

    • Egfmark

       I doubt your recruiter lied so much as you only paid attention to what you wanted to hear.  I don’t like the Marine Corps, but you are just whining because you were either too stupid or lazy to do any objective research.

      • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

        Wow idiot, i knew what my job i enlisted for was, the job i got i was told i had to volunteer for. I dont get why everyone feels sorry for those lying scumbags. I did my research, i didnt want this job, thats why i didnt pick it.

        • Egfmark

           You wouldn’t take a college recruiter or car salesman at face value, so why would the military be any different?  You didn’t have to sign this particular MOS contract, nor did you have to ship with it.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

             Why are you comparing purchasing a car with enlisting into the military? They are nothing alike! lol are you serious right now?

          • Egfmark

            It all comes down to you shopping for a product.  A car dealer will tell you whatever to get you to buy from them, and once you’re saddled with the obligation it’s difficult as hell to get yourself out of the situation.  The onus is on you to do the research, and verify the claims be it anything from cars to medical treatment.

          • Madmike19682003

            in the civilian world if you sign a contract and the other party screws you than you can sue them. try that in the service. can you imagine treating employees at a civilian company the way marine corps enlisted men are treated? imagine the lawsuits! i did the time honestly but seriously in the contract it says “you will be treated with dignity and respect at all time”..yeah right,what a sick joke. the corps doesen’t live up to it’s hype and that’s what this site is for, it’s to tell people thinking of joining what the corps is really like. you know the stuff that would get a recruiter demoted to the rank below private if he told it to potential recruits.

          • Egfmark

             I agree with you there.  The dignity and respect bit is a bunch of crap.  I’m not passing judgement on your situation, I just get irritated when people harp about how they were lied to when it’s often more that they accepted everything they were told at face value.

          • Madmike19682003

            i tell people the recruiter didn’t lie to me(i got the mos i wanted)it was the marine corps that lied. they said it was a elite unit,that i would get kick ass training and that i would serve with a band of brothers. none of that was really true. plus when i was in the internet wasn’t around so i didn’t have access to the info you did. but finally i also like to point out that i didn’t join…the 18 year old version of me did. a kid who legally couldn’t drink a beer who only knew the marine corps you see in movies and recruiting commercials.

  • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

    My recruiter lied. We are treated as though we are less than human every day, we are disredpected on a personal and professional level every day. We are made to stay outside in the cold for no reason, made to stay up late for no reason. Field day is nothing more than something tedious and annoying they do just to prove they are in charge. This is no brotherhood, my platoonmates would lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead with no regard for anyone else. They will single people out and attack them verbally and constantly for no reason. Cleaning weapons lasts just like field day, you clean until they cant find a speck of dust, and when they find dust 3 hours in they got it out of their own pocket. Even now these children are pelting me with rocks at the rifle range for no reason.

    The marine corps put me in my MOS and didnt even give me the chance to be screened for the MOS I signed for. If there is a possibility to get out of the infantry side or the entire marine corps which wont destroy my future i will find it and take it. Dis honor and discouragement. I have no comittment. The marine corps took all the pride i had and took it from me. I am ashamed every time i wear these cammies. I represent the adulterers, murders, cowards, and weaklings that feed off their rank wearing this dishonorable uniform. The list i have of wrongs, of disrespect, of all the things done to me alone is unacceptable.

    NEVER FI

    • Egfmark

       I doubt your recruiter lied so much as you only paid attention to what you wanted to hear.  I don’t like the Marine Corps, but you are just whining because you were either too stupid or lazy to do any objective research.

      • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

        Wow idiot, i knew what my job i enlisted for was, the job i got i was told i had to volunteer for. I dont get why everyone feels sorry for those lying scumbags. I did my research, i didnt want this job, thats why i didnt pick it.

        • Egfmark

           You wouldn’t take a college recruiter or car salesman at face value, so why would the military be any different?  You didn’t have to sign this particular MOS contract, nor did you have to ship with it.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

             Why are you comparing purchasing a car with enlisting into the military? They are nothing alike! lol are you serious right now?

          • Egfmark

            It all comes down to you shopping for a product.  A car dealer will tell you whatever to get you to buy from them, and once you’re saddled with the obligation it’s difficult as hell to get yourself out of the situation.  The onus is on you to do the research, and verify the claims be it anything from cars to medical treatment.

          • Madmike19682003

            in the civilian world if you sign a contract and the other party screws you than you can sue them. try that in the service. can you imagine treating employees at a civilian company the way marine corps enlisted men are treated? imagine the lawsuits! i did the time honestly but seriously in the contract it says “you will be treated with dignity and respect at all time”..yeah right,what a sick joke. the corps doesen’t live up to it’s hype and that’s what this site is for, it’s to tell people thinking of joining what the corps is really like. you know the stuff that would get a recruiter demoted to the rank below private if he told it to potential recruits.

          • Egfmark

             I agree with you there.  The dignity and respect bit is a bunch of crap.  I’m not passing judgement on your situation, I just get irritated when people harp about how they were lied to when it’s often more that they accepted everything they were told at face value.

          • Madmike19682003

            i tell people the recruiter didn’t lie to me(i got the mos i wanted)it was the marine corps that lied. they said it was a elite unit,that i would get kick ass training and that i would serve with a band of brothers. none of that was really true. plus when i was in the internet wasn’t around so i didn’t have access to the info you did. but finally i also like to point out that i didn’t join…the 18 year old version of me did. a kid who legally couldn’t drink a beer who only knew the marine corps you see in movies and recruiting commercials.

  • Franko

    What a bunch of crying bitches.

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      Well looks like we got a green weenie loving motard troll in here. GTFO, you either have the most skate job you could get or you sucked enough dick to get to a high enough rank or billet that you can skate through that job and make junior marines lives miserable. You cheat on your wife too?

      NEVER FI

      • Franko

        Hahahaha being a marine is to hard For you whiny bitches. God forbid we gave a war with a real power and we got these bitches defending us. But these guys are the bottom 10% of the Corp. Your parents must be so proud.

        • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

          This is the kind of dirtbag that has destroyed what brotherhood the marine corps once was, from the stories ny grandfather tells. Fuckin troll motard

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

          Actually being a Marine is stupidly easy.  Seriously the easiest job I ever had. But also the worst.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          So the people who will actually say something about all of the stupidity are the bitches?  So basically you’re saying that when the marine corps tries to fuck you that you just lay there and take it.  Now who was the bitch in this situation again?

          But no, being a marine isn’t hard, doing almost nothing in garrison or in Afghanistan, (in a combat MOS) is not difficult.  Actually doing nothing except repeatedly wiping down already clean surfaces must be the easiest job in the world.
          Having to put up with the marine corps acting like this constant janitorial work will somehow make us better war-fighters is the hard part.  Maybe if we had a real war, that forced the marine corps to clean up all of the bureaucratic deadwood of garrison life and actually train to fight a war with something other than dust it would be more tolerable.

        • Madmike19682003

          ww2 was won by draftees not volunteers,one term enlistees not lifers and by citizen soldiers who just wanted to win and go home not semen guzzling motards. 38 percent of marines don’t last one year and well over half don’t get out with a honorable but i did as well as most of the others here. it’s not that we couldn’t hack it it’s that we just hated it.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

             Well said brother.

        • Brak

          Your parents must be proud to know their son is a faggot.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Thank you for the announcement. Nobody cares.

  • Franko

    What a bunch of crying bitches.

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      Well looks like we got a green weenie loving motard troll in here. GTFO, you either have the most skate job you could get or you sucked enough dick to get to a high enough rank or billet that you can skate through that job and make junior marines lives miserable. You cheat on your wife too?

      NEVER FI

      • Franko

        Hahahaha being a marine is to hard For you whiny bitches. God forbid we gave a war with a real power and we got these bitches defending us. But these guys are the bottom 10% of the Corp. Your parents must be so proud.

        • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

          This is the kind of dirtbag that has destroyed what brotherhood the marine corps once was, from the stories ny grandfather tells. Fuckin troll motard

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          Actually being a Marine is stupidly easy.  Seriously the easiest job I ever had. But also the worst.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          So the people who will actually say something about all of the stupidity are the bitches?  So basically you’re saying that when the marine corps tries to fuck you that you just lay there and take it.  Now who was the bitch in this situation again?

          But no, being a marine isn’t hard, doing almost nothing in garrison or in Afghanistan, (in a combat MOS) is not difficult.  Actually doing nothing except repeatedly wiping down already clean surfaces must be the easiest job in the world.
          Having to put up with the marine corps acting like this constant janitorial work will somehow make us better war-fighters is the hard part.  Maybe if we had a real war, that forced the marine corps to clean up all of the bureaucratic deadwood of garrison life and actually train to fight a war with something other than dust it would be more tolerable.

        • Madmike19682003

          ww2 was won by draftees not volunteers,one term enlistees not lifers and by citizen soldiers who just wanted to win and go home not semen guzzling motards. 38 percent of marines don’t last one year and well over half don’t get out with a honorable but i did as well as most of the others here. it’s not that we couldn’t hack it it’s that we just hated it.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

             Well said brother.

        • Brak

          Your parents must be proud to know their son is a faggot.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

       Thank you for the announcement. Nobody cares.

  • Henry

    I take my final physical on monday is there any concrete order that says I have to continue PT or BCP???

    • 5150niners

       No. Tell them to go fuck themselves.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      No, it is actually generally discouraged because it will create a considerable hassle for the military if you injure yourself after your final physical.

    • I HATE BOOTS

      YES YOU SHOULD PT YOU FAT ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Brak

        Fucking drill instructor Sgt. Cock sucker here. How bout you chill?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      One thing I should mention, per the order (Link below) you can still be required to run your final PFT/CFT after you’ve completed your final physical.  So they do have you in that respect.

      http://navyrotc.berkeley.edu/docs/MCO6100.pdf

  • Henry

    I take my final physical on monday is there any concrete order that says I have to continue PT or BCP???

    • 5150niners

       No. Tell them to go fuck themselves.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      No, it is actually generally discouraged because it will create a considerable hassle for the military if you injure yourself after your final physical.

    • I HATE BOOTS

      YES YOU SHOULD PT YOU FAT ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Brak

        Fucking drill instructor Sgt. Cock sucker here. How bout you chill?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      One thing I should mention, per the order (Link below) you can still be required to run your final PFT/CFT after you’ve completed your final physical.  So they do have you in that respect.

      http://navyrotc.berkeley.edu/docs/MCO6100.pdf

  • I HATE BOOTS

    I HATE YOU BOOTS CRYING ABOUT EVERYTHING. GO TO THE CHOW HALL GET A STRAW AND SUCK IT THE  FUCK UP… YOU COCK LOVING FAGS YOU’RE SO LUCKY THAT IM NOT YOUR LEADERSHIP I WOULD HAZE THE FUCK OUT OF YOU.. I HOPE YOU ALL DIE

    RS
    YO MOMMA

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Thank you so much for this prime example of marine corps thinking!  Some select people join the marine corps, and don’t buy into the lies that it hands out to the public, then when someone senior to them finds out that these people hold these views, you get the above comment.  To sum up: “You should all just deal with it, but since you’re not going to, I’m going to haze the living hell out of you, and hopefully you die.”  And this is what the marine corps calls “Leadership”.

      Oh, and “I hate boots”, just so you know, even if you were in my chain of command, look it up some time, and you’ll find out that you still don’t rate the term “Leadership”.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

         Yeah this guy is a total rock.

      • Cocoabchfungirl

        what? omg.  I hear you.

    • Madmike19682003

      more than a few of us have way more time in the moron corps than you. and some are out as civilians so suck on that.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      Being that I have been a civilian for a year and a half now, I find the whole “boot” comment hilarious.
      I have not been called a boot in… I don’t know, lets say 4 years?

      4 years active duty 0811, countless artillery field ops, combat deployment to Iraq in 07, honorable discharge.

      Now go home and tell your parents how you killed 50 Taliban and shot Osama Bin Laden, you pansy lol.

    • Kevinbrakhage

      Ten bucks says this guy is a motarded POG lifer.

  • I HATE BOOTS

    I HATE YOU BOOTS CRYING ABOUT EVERYTHING. GO TO THE CHOW HALL GET A STRAW AND SUCK IT THE  FUCK UP… YOU COCK LOVING FAGS YOU’RE SO LUCKY THAT IM NOT YOUR LEADERSHIP I WOULD HAZE THE FUCK OUT OF YOU.. I HOPE YOU ALL DIE

    RS
    YO MOMMA

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Thank you so much for this prime example of marine corps thinking!  Some select people join the marine corps, and don’t buy into the lies that it hands out to the public, then when someone senior to them finds out that these people hold these views, you get the above comment.  To sum up: “You should all just deal with it, but since you’re not going to, I’m going to haze the living hell out of you, and hopefully you die.”  And this is what the marine corps calls “Leadership”.

      Oh, and “I hate boots”, just so you know, even if you were in my chain of command, look it up some time, and you’ll find out that you still don’t rate the term “Leadership”.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

         Yeah this guy is a total rock.

      • Cocoabchfungirl

        what? omg.  I hear you.

    • Madmike19682003

      more than a few of us have way more time in the moron corps than you. and some are out as civilians so suck on that.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      Being that I have been a civilian for a year and a half now, I find the whole “boot” comment hilarious.
      I have not been called a boot in… I don’t know, lets say 4 years?

      4 years active duty 0811, countless artillery field ops, combat deployment to Iraq in 07, honorable discharge.

      Now go home and tell your parents how you killed 50 Taliban and shot Osama Bin Laden, you pansy lol.

    • Kevinbrakhage

      Ten bucks says this guy is a motarded POG lifer.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    A nice little something to lighten the mood:

    I would rather ________ than reenlist.

    Ready, go!

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Pay one million dollars.

    • Brak

      Nail my dick to a table

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    A nice little something to lighten the mood:

    I would rather ________ than reenlist.

    Ready, go!

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

       Pay one million dollars.

    • Brak

      Nail my dick to a table

  • SEMPER HUH?

    I HATE BOOTS why don’t you shut the fuck up! I hate brain washed morons like you who are so dumb that they can’t think for yourselfs.  It’s your kind of thinking that is screwing up this Corps of mine.  Why don’t you read your Marine Corps principles and traits and if you don’t understand then maybe I can explain them to you.  YES there are some winers on this site but maybe you need to also read the MCMP and look up the word empathy. Anothers words quit thinking with your balls all the time and try thinking thinking with your brain every once in a while.

  • SEMPER HUH?

    I HATE BOOTS why don’t you shut the fuck up! I hate brain washed morons like you who are so dumb that they can’t think for yourselfs.  It’s your kind of thinking that is screwing up this Corps of mine.  Why don’t you read your Marine Corps principles and traits and if you don’t understand then maybe I can explain them to you.  YES there are some winers on this site but maybe you need to also read the MCMP and look up the word empathy. Anothers words quit thinking with your balls all the time and try thinking thinking with your brain every once in a while.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    ‎1. When you work hard at something you become good at it.

    2. When you become good at doing something, you will enjoy it more.

    3. When you enjoy doing something, there is a very good chance you will become passionate or more passionate about it

    4. When you are good at something, passionate and work even harder to excel and be the best at it, good things happen.

    Don’t follow your passions, follow your effort. It will lead you to your passions and to success, however you define it.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    ‎1. When you work hard at something you become good at it.

    2. When you become good at doing something, you will enjoy it more.

    3. When you enjoy doing something, there is a very good chance you will become passionate or more passionate about it

    4. When you are good at something, passionate and work even harder to excel and be the best at it, good things happen.

    Don’t follow your passions, follow your effort. It will lead you to your passions and to success, however you define it.

  • Djj_252

    Should we as men submit to something even if we truly believe that it is wrong? I understand I took an oath and signed a contract but I was under the assumption it was to defend the people I love in this country. To fight terrorism. To make. Difference in the world. The only war I fight is against germs. The only person I defend is myself against the waves of insults and belittling gestures. Like letting you spit in face, literaly at times, and still having to respect you based solely on what you wear on your collar. I am not what is on my collar.

    • Cocoabchfungirl

      That is so wrong….if someone spit in my son’s face, I would jump through the Universe and take him out.  I’m so sorry and I’m very proud of you. I don’t want my son to join now.

      • Cocoabchfungirl

        The power of God is with you. And with us.  :-)

  • Djj_252

    Should we as men submit to something even if we truly believe that it is wrong? I understand I took an oath and signed a contract but I was under the assumption it was to defend the people I love in this country. To fight terrorism. To make. Difference in the world. The only war I fight is against germs. The only person I defend is myself against the waves of insults and belittling gestures. Like letting you spit in face, literaly at times, and still having to respect you based solely on what you wear on your collar. I am not what is on my collar.

    • Cocoabchfungirl

      That is so wrong….if someone spit in my son’s face, I would jump through the Universe and take him out.  I’m so sorry and I’m very proud of you. I don’t want my son to join now.

      • Cocoabchfungirl

        The power of God is with you. And with us.  :-)

  • Fuckilluminati

    INFOWARS.com

  • Fuckilluminati

    INFOWARS.com

  • Just Another Stupid Boot

    FML!

  • Just Another Stupid Boot

    FML!

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    More info on the guy who slaughtered all those Afghans not too long ago. His name is 
    Staff Sgt. Robert Bales   – 
    http://tinyurl.com/6pzgrsq

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    More info on the guy who slaughtered all those Afghans not too long ago. His name is 
    Staff Sgt. Robert Bales   – 
    http://tinyurl.com/6pzgrsq

  • Pooli

    Hey Guys, I’m right around the corner from my ship date. What’s a boot? 

    • Chase2allen

      You.

      • Pooli

        When does the “boot” stage fade away?

        • Madmike19682003

          whenever you start fighting back and stop falling for all the stupid practical jokes the marines who are senior to you will try to pull. also whenever a group of marines newer than you arrive at the unit.

          • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

            They may not hit on it but its not too late to pull the plug. Tell your lying recruiter to piss off and go with the air force or navy. They have funding, educational opportunities, the possibility of a family if youre in for the long term, youll get treated like a human, and you may get to experience common sense. In the marine corps its nothing but drinking, hazing, adultery, lying, and childish games.

            Today our platoon got a nice little haze PT cause an NCO couldnt keep accountability of his weapons and gear, so they turned around and blamed us, making the platoon do this haze pt when we should have been off, then went and lied to us saying it was supposed to be a “squad pt” first one in weeks?

            The marine corps is not worth it, if you do decide you want to experience this hell, make sure you know you can get out within…. i think its your first 180 days, you can leave at any time during boot camp, WITHOUT REPERCUSSIONS. Ive heard of contracts with less time like 2 years where you arent trapped into the four or five.

            Talk to the air force and navy, find out about potential careers, find out about college, you are not trapped in the marine corps yet like i mistakenly thought a week before boot camp. Do it for yourself and any future you may dream of having.

          • Pooli

            Wait, so I can leave boot camp whenever I want, within the 180 day period?

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            Yes, but they will not make it easy.  You will have to have a pair of balls and just realize that all those men that yell are just that. Men that tell.  You can tell them to go fuck off, you quit, at any time.

            Recruiters need to tell recruits this kind of stuff. 

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Yes, it’s called an Entry-Level Separation.  You should also know that it doesn’t negatively affect you after you leave (except it may be harder for you to join another branch).  But in the civilian world it basically equates to “He signed up, he gave it a shot, and it turned out he wasn’t a good fit for our institution, so we let him go.”

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            Not to mention that you do not have to ever tell an employer that you ever served in the military. Or even that you gave bootcamp a try.  

            Basically, don’t put that you quit bootcamp on a resume.

          • Pooli

            I just finished watching revolver. Are you trying to say most people who are in the USMC do it because there egos are constantly hungry>? They want to prove a point? 

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Basically, yes.  A lot of them need that “pride of belonging” because they don’t have any pride in themselves.  So once the marine corps gives them a fancy uniform and a rank to wear to make them feel important, they’ll then go to any lengths to make sure everyone is aware of just how important the institution that gave them that rank and uniform is.  

            Simply put, they base their entire sense of self-worth on the fact that they belong to the marine corps.  So if they stopped constantly stressing the importance of the institution, and how noble and honorable it is to be a part of it, then they would lose their entire sense of self-confidence, and their entire ego would collapse.  So they will turn the blind eye to any sins the institution may commit, in favor of maintaining their own ego, and their own sense of self-importance.

          • Pooli

            Does it apply to reservists as well?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            I’m not sure about reservists, but I can’t imagine that it wouldn’t.  I mean, they have new guys too.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

           Madmike covered it pretty well so I will just explain my boot experience. 

          I did not really get treated like a boot until I hit the fleet. Everything before that was just training stuffs.

          When myself and 10 other “boots” arrived at my unit everyone started cheering and making remarks about fuck fuck games after work was over.  Fortunately I had a pretty cool Lance Corporal as a roommate and he was not a “boot”, he was “salty”.  He did not want any ruckus going on in his room so he told everyone to leave me alone.  He gave me the lowdown on the MC and told me about all the bullshit I was going to get to be a part of for the next 3 and a half years.
           He then forced me to drink a whole bottle of liquor with him. I had never really drank before then, so I puked my brains out for the rest of the night. 

          So that was my first day in the fleet. No bruises or anything, just a lot of forced binge drinking.

          Anytime I left my room after that night, I got fucked with by someone senior to me.
          Getting fucked with usually entails cleaning, but there is always some new way of fucking with someone that they come up with. Sometimes it can become violent, but when that happens, fight like you have never fought before.  Don’t let anyone put their fucking hands on you, I never did. And it usually gets them to back the fuck off.

          Eventually I deployed to Iraq and I was still a boot.  I had to do all the shit work and got all the shit equipment.  In my unit, they always said that if it is your first time in country, you are going to be a gunner a lot.  Being a gunner sucks because it is boring, uncomfortable, hot, and scary.  They make you watch all those videos of Marines getting popped in the head by a sniper, and that makes being a gunner much more frightening, but also less complacent.

          After enduring what seemed like a lifetime in Iraq. I came back to the states and was magically not considered a boot anymore and got respect from all the guys that used to fuck with me.  To be honest that was one of the best feelings i ever had in the Marines.  Graduating bootcamp felt pretty good. But over time I realized that bootcamp was a sinch and no bit deal.  It was gaining the respect of my peers that I value as my most emotional experience in the MC.  Besides getting cheated on while in Iraq by a former fiance.

          When I was not a boot anymore, we got in like 25 new guys.  I did the same thing to them that happened to me, and I loved it.  But then I realized that that was part of the cause of a lot of the unnecessary bullshit in the MC. People get a big head after they accomplish something in the MC and gain some respect and then they mistreat others. 

          Most people cannot come to that realization and stop fucking with other Marines. 

          The few that have, are on this website trying to help people.

          Thanks for the opportunity to write this, it felt good to say it.

          Please consider all options before deciding to join the Marines.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Yeah Civilian Pretty much hit the nail on the head.  I wouldn’t recommend joining to you, in fact I would advise quite the opposite.  

            However if you still decide to join, pay attention to all of the stuff that you feel is pointless and isn’t doing anything to help you.  I’ve watched plenty of people pick up a rank, or go on a deployment, and then all of a sudden forget that they were ever the junior guy.When you get to be that more senior guy help out the junior guys any way that you can.  The people who are senior to you will most likely hate you for it, but just because they don’t like it doesn’t mean that it’s wrong.

            Safety and Peace

          • Cocoabchfungirl

            The fact that he forced you to drink was bullshit.  Are you kidding me!!?? My son is not even in bootcamp yet.  Holy shit.

          • Cocoabchfungirl

            I don’t like this.  Thank you for being so honest.

          • Egfmark

             Getting boots trashed until they’re sick is a common ‘initiation’ tactic.  I will say I never saw anyone (myself included) endangered, it was just unpleasant.

    • Tamili

       New guys who get mistreated.

      • Cocoabchfungirl

        WHY do they get mistreated?

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          They get mistreated because they just spent 3 months in boot camp, learning that they are the very bottom of the totem pole, and that they have no choice but to obey every order that’s given to them.  So for most the temptation to abuse that power that the senior marines feel they have by virtue of their seniority is too much for them.

  • Pooli

    Hey Guys, I’m right around the corner from my ship date. What’s a boot? 

    • Chase2allen

      You.

      • Pooli

        When does the “boot” stage fade away?

        • Madmike19682003

          whenever you start fighting back and stop falling for all the stupid practical jokes the marines who are senior to you will try to pull. also whenever a group of marines newer than you arrive at the unit.

          • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

            They may not hit on it but its not too late to pull the plug. Tell your lying recruiter to piss off and go with the air force or navy. They have funding, educational opportunities, the possibility of a family if youre in for the long term, youll get treated like a human, and you may get to experience common sense. In the marine corps its nothing but drinking, hazing, adultery, lying, and childish games.

            Today our platoon got a nice little haze PT cause an NCO couldnt keep accountability of his weapons and gear, so they turned around and blamed us, making the platoon do this haze pt when we should have been off, then went and lied to us saying it was supposed to be a “squad pt” first one in weeks?

            The marine corps is not worth it, if you do decide you want to experience this hell, make sure you know you can get out within…. i think its your first 180 days, you can leave at any time during boot camp, WITHOUT REPERCUSSIONS. Ive heard of contracts with less time like 2 years where you arent trapped into the four or five.

            Talk to the air force and navy, find out about potential careers, find out about college, you are not trapped in the marine corps yet like i mistakenly thought a week before boot camp. Do it for yourself and any future you may dream of having.

          • Pooli

            Wait, so I can leave boot camp whenever I want, within the 180 day period?

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            Yes, but they will not make it easy.  You will have to have a pair of balls and just realize that all those men that yell are just that. Men that tell.  You can tell them to go fuck off, you quit, at any time.

            Recruiters need to tell recruits this kind of stuff. 

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Yes, it’s called an Entry-Level Separation.  You should also know that it doesn’t negatively affect you after you leave (except it may be harder for you to join another branch).  But in the civilian world it basically equates to “He signed up, he gave it a shot, and it turned out he wasn’t a good fit for our institution, so we let him go.”

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            Not to mention that you do not have to ever tell an employer that you ever served in the military. Or even that you gave bootcamp a try.  

            Basically, don’t put that you quit bootcamp on a resume.

          • Pooli

            I just finished watching revolver. Are you trying to say most people who are in the USMC do it because there egos are constantly hungry>? They want to prove a point? 

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Basically, yes.  A lot of them need that “pride of belonging” because they don’t have any pride in themselves.  So once the marine corps gives them a fancy uniform and a rank to wear to make them feel important, they’ll then go to any lengths to make sure everyone is aware of just how important the institution that gave them that rank and uniform is.  

            Simply put, they base their entire sense of self-worth on the fact that they belong to the marine corps.  So if they stopped constantly stressing the importance of the institution, and how noble and honorable it is to be a part of it, then they would lose their entire sense of self-confidence, and their entire ego would collapse.  So they will turn the blind eye to any sins the institution may commit, in favor of maintaining their own ego, and their own sense of self-importance.

          • Pooli

            Does it apply to reservists as well?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            I’m not sure about reservists, but I can’t imagine that it wouldn’t.  I mean, they have new guys too.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

           Madmike covered it pretty well so I will just explain my boot experience. 

          I did not really get treated like a boot until I hit the fleet. Everything before that was just training stuffs.

          When myself and 10 other “boots” arrived at my unit everyone started cheering and making remarks about fuck fuck games after work was over.  Fortunately I had a pretty cool Lance Corporal as a roommate and he was not a “boot”, he was “salty”.  He did not want any ruckus going on in his room so he told everyone to leave me alone.  He gave me the lowdown on the MC and told me about all the bullshit I was going to get to be a part of for the next 3 and a half years.
           He then forced me to drink a whole bottle of liquor with him. I had never really drank before then, so I puked my brains out for the rest of the night. 

          So that was my first day in the fleet. No bruises or anything, just a lot of forced binge drinking.

          Anytime I left my room after that night, I got fucked with by someone senior to me.
          Getting fucked with usually entails cleaning, but there is always some new way of fucking with someone that they come up with. Sometimes it can become violent, but when that happens, fight like you have never fought before.  Don’t let anyone put their fucking hands on you, I never did. And it usually gets them to back the fuck off.

          Eventually I deployed to Iraq and I was still a boot.  I had to do all the shit work and got all the shit equipment.  In my unit, they always said that if it is your first time in country, you are going to be a gunner a lot.  Being a gunner sucks because it is boring, uncomfortable, hot, and scary.  They make you watch all those videos of Marines getting popped in the head by a sniper, and that makes being a gunner much more frightening, but also less complacent.

          After enduring what seemed like a lifetime in Iraq. I came back to the states and was magically not considered a boot anymore and got respect from all the guys that used to fuck with me.  To be honest that was one of the best feelings i ever had in the Marines.  Graduating bootcamp felt pretty good. But over time I realized that bootcamp was a sinch and no bit deal.  It was gaining the respect of my peers that I value as my most emotional experience in the MC.  Besides getting cheated on while in Iraq by a former fiance.

          When I was not a boot anymore, we got in like 25 new guys.  I did the same thing to them that happened to me, and I loved it.  But then I realized that that was part of the cause of a lot of the unnecessary bullshit in the MC. People get a big head after they accomplish something in the MC and gain some respect and then they mistreat others. 

          Most people cannot come to that realization and stop fucking with other Marines. 

          The few that have, are on this website trying to help people.

          Thanks for the opportunity to write this, it felt good to say it.

          Please consider all options before deciding to join the Marines.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Yeah Civilian Pretty much hit the nail on the head.  I wouldn’t recommend joining to you, in fact I would advise quite the opposite.  

            However if you still decide to join, pay attention to all of the stuff that you feel is pointless and isn’t doing anything to help you.  I’ve watched plenty of people pick up a rank, or go on a deployment, and then all of a sudden forget that they were ever the junior guy. When you get to be that more senior guy help out the junior guys any way that you can.  The people who are senior to you will most likely hate you for it, but just because they don’t like it doesn’t mean that it’s wrong.

            Safety and Peace

          • Cocoabchfungirl

            The fact that he forced you to drink was bullshit.  Are you kidding me!!?? My son is not even in bootcamp yet.  Holy shit.

          • Cocoabchfungirl

            I don’t like this.  Thank you for being so honest.

          • Egfmark

             Getting boots trashed until they’re sick is a common ‘initiation’ tactic.  I will say I never saw anyone (myself included) endangered, it was just unpleasant.

    • Tamili

       New guys who get mistreated.

      • Cocoabchfungirl

        WHY do they get mistreated?

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          They get mistreated because they just spent 3 months in boot camp, learning that they are the very bottom of the totem pole, and that they have no choice but to obey every order that’s given to them.  So for most the temptation to abuse that power that the senior marines feel they have by virtue of their seniority is too much for them.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    It turns out that the Soldier that murdered 16 Afghan people joined the Army to get away from a million dollar judgement against him. http://news.yahoo.com/afghan-murder-suspect-bales-took-life-savings-says-223934030–abc-news.html

    • Madmike19682003

      it seems in my experience that pretty much every marine i served with who joined as a active duty enlisted man in his late twenties was a loser who totally failed at life up to that point. when i heard he joined at 27 years old i said to myself “well that explains a lot”. every good person i met who joined at that age was either a officer or a reservist. of course i was in before the war on terror so a few good men might have joined during ww2 or something but i never met  someone who joined at that age that i respected.

      • Cocoabchfungirl

        Please tell me more.  My son is 27.  I am so concerned.  He could’ve waited to be an officer, but he is so naive (I think) because he wanted to be a grunt first…so he could.  whatever.  I don’t understand his brain. He is so smart and he can do so much with his life.  Have you ever heard of “crystal child”??  …I feel like he is doing this because he is destined to be a warrior and protector….in the future.

        • ihateDIs89

          M’am,   PLEASE read my story here: http://www.usmcsolutions.com/archives/614 

          My allegations are currently being investigated by the Commandant of the Marine Corps, The Secretary of the Navy and the Inspector General.

          My story is the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God.

        • SuzyQ

          I understand this mentality. He believes that he is destined to make a difference, do something great with his life. The Marine Corps convinces people that they embody “honor, courage, commitment” so your son thinks that this is the best place for him. 

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian
  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    It turns out that the Soldier that murdered 16 Afghan people joined the Army to get away from a million dollar judgement against him. http://news.yahoo.com/afghan-murder-suspect-bales-took-life-savings-says-223934030–abc-news.html

    • Madmike19682003

      it seems in my experience that pretty much every marine i served with who joined as a active duty enlisted man in his late twenties was a loser who totally failed at life up to that point. when i heard he joined at 27 years old i said to myself “well that explains a lot”. every good person i met who joined at that age was either a officer or a reservist. of course i was in before the war on terror so a few good men might have joined during ww2 or something but i never met  someone who joined at that age that i respected.

      • Cocoabchfungirl

        Please tell me more.  My son is 27.  I am so concerned.  He could’ve waited to be an officer, but he is so naive (I think) because he wanted to be a grunt first…so he could.  whatever.  I don’t understand his brain. He is so smart and he can do so much with his life.  Have you ever heard of “crystal child”??  …I feel like he is doing this because he is destined to be a warrior and protector….in the future.

        • ihateDIs89

          M’am,   PLEASE read my story here: http://www.usmcsolutions.com/archives/614 

          My allegations are currently being investigated by the Commandant of the Marine Corps, The Secretary of the Navy and the Inspector General.

          My story is the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God.

        • SuzyQ

          I understand this mentality. He believes that he is destined to make a difference, do something great with his life. The Marine Corps convinces people that they embody “honor, courage, commitment” so your son thinks that this is the best place for him. 

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.
  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

    Humanoid Robots are getting drafted into the military.  What say you?
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57401144-1/firefighting-humanoid-robot-gets-drafted-into-the-navy/

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I’m not gonna lie, that’s pretty frickin’ sweet.  However I doubt that they’ll actually have them on ship by the end of next year.  The military loves to raise it’s own hopes like that.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

    Humanoid Robots are getting drafted into the military.  What say you?
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57401144-1/firefighting-humanoid-robot-gets-drafted-into-the-navy/

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I’m not gonna lie, that’s pretty frickin’ sweet.  However I doubt that they’ll actually have them on ship by the end of next year.  The military loves to raise it’s own hopes like that.

  • Notevenmad

    Can a snco force u to do a specific type of pt, when his lazy ass won’t even show up for any sessions?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      It kind of depends, because there is the whole “following a lawful order” bs that you have to abide by.  However there are some exceptions.  Gas Mask PT for example is strictly forbidden.  Being ordered to do a gas mask run is considered hazing and should be immediately reported. But other than that, there’s a lot of gray area, it’s possible that since he’s not performing the exercises that he’s ordering for you to perform, that he could also face hazing charges for attempting to I.T. his Marines.

      In case you’d like some further reading, here’s the order: http://navyrotc.berkeley.edu/docs/MCO6100.pdf

      I hope this is somewhat helpful.

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      As far as i know, if you alone are doing it then it is most definitely hazing. However for a group thing, id go with the first comment.

  • Notevenmad

    Can a snco force u to do a specific type of pt, when his lazy ass won’t even show up for any sessions?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      It kind of depends, because there is the whole “following a lawful order” bs that you have to abide by.  However there are some exceptions.  Gas Mask PT, for example, is strictly forbidden.  Being ordered to do a gas mask run is considered hazing and a safety hazard and should be immediately reported. But other than that, there’s a lot of gray area, it’s possible that since he’s not performing the exercises that he’s ordering for you to perform, that he could also face hazing charges for attempting to I.T. his Marines.

      In case you’d like some further reading, here’s the order: http://navyrotc.berkeley.edu/docs/MCO6100.pdf

      I hope this is somewhat helpful.

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      As far as i know, if you alone are doing it then it is most definitely hazing. However for a group thing, id go with the first comment.

  • shitbag

    I’m the guy who doesn’t like to get pushed around. I’m the guy that likes to stand for what he believes in. I’m the guy that doesn’t follow the crowd. I’m the guy that has morals, that believes belittling someone is not only wrong, but is an example of horrible leadership. I’m a shit bag.

    Yesterday, a fellow Lance Corporal of mine, and a very good friend, caught his rifle on his trouser pocket during the middle of drill and ended up dropping it. Of course, every person there went straight to drill instructor mode after seeing it. “Push, bitch! Push!!” “Follow it.” “Oh good mother fucker. Just drop your fuckin rifle, too,” as if he meant to do it on purpose. So today, our dumb ass SNCOIC decided it would be a great idea for him to carry one of those rubber rifles around all day to “make sure he can properly handle a rifle like a man.” As soon as I saw this, I went up to my buddy and mentioned that he should probably say something considering this could very well be a case of hazing. He didn’t think he should bring it up because of the ramifications that that particular word would bring up. I decided if he wasn’t gonna bring it up then I was gonna help out a friend and talk to his Corporal, which by the way is an easy going person. She listened to me and was unsure if she should bring it up, mainly because she doesn’t have a set of kohonas (spell chk). If she wasn’t gonna do anything then I was gonna go to a buddy of mine that was just recently promoted to Corporal (Notice I’m going to nobody at all in my immediate chain of command). He believed the same thing I did about the lance and decided to go talk to his NCOs, something I wish I could do only this whole rank thing was the difference in me being a child and an adult. As good of a lance as I am, I of course eavesdropped on them. His Sgt went on saying that he believed that he was being hazed as well but was gonna wait until the next work day to say something, which makes no sense to me at all. He also went on saying that what he was afraid of was that if it was in fact brought up to their SNCO that he would find some loophole sayin that it was “extra military instruction.” So nothing came of that until about 20 mins later. I passed his SNCO in the hall and he stopped me and proceded to call me every name in the book because I am getting the idea of hazing in the head of his Lance Corporal. He then asked me if I even knew the order on hazing. Of course I told him the correct order, which in essence caught him off guard. Once he gathered himself, he then went on asking how I knew it and I told him that I looked it up earlier on my phone. He took that and ran with it, saying that I never do anything at all but play on my phone yadda yadda yadda. I knew I had him beat and it felt great. He then told me that I need to go check out a rifle at supply as well (notice he didn’t say what I needed it for, though we all knew). Of course I did cause it was a lawful order to check it out. I couldn’t wait to get back to the shop so the second he told me that I needed to carry it around all day, I could request mast on his ass in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I really didn’t see him the rest of the day, considering at this point it was closing time. 

    Moral of the story, don’t be afraid of standing up to some washed up, stick-in-their-ass SNCO’s because they might yell at you. If you believe that you are in the right and they are in the wrong, go for it. The way I looked at it, if for some reason this were to back fire on me, it wouldn’t phase me for two reasons: 1) He had way more to lose than I did and 2) I’m not making the same mistake twice. Remember, friends don’t let friends reenlist.

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      Awesome post, im the same kind of shitbag, fortunately for me, my whole platoon gives the chain of command just as much shit as they give us hahaha

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      This is a great post! I am going to add it to our stories section to see if we can get people talking about this.  Really man, great post!

      http://www.usmcsolutions.com/archives/840 

  • shitbag

    I’m the guy who doesn’t like to get pushed around. I’m the guy that likes to stand for what he believes in. I’m the guy that doesn’t follow the crowd. I’m the guy that has morals, that believes belittling someone is not only wrong, but is an example of horrible leadership. I’m a shit bag.

    Yesterday, a fellow Lance Corporal of mine, and a very good friend, caught his rifle on his trouser pocket during the middle of drill and ended up dropping it. Of course, every person there went straight to drill instructor mode after seeing it. “Push, bitch! Push!!” “Follow it.” “Oh good mother fucker. Just drop your fuckin rifle, too,” as if he meant to do it on purpose. So today, our dumb ass SNCOIC decided it would be a great idea for him to carry one of those rubber rifles around all day to “make sure he can properly handle a rifle like a man.” As soon as I saw this, I went up to my buddy and mentioned that he should probably say something considering this could very well be a case of hazing. He didn’t think he should bring it up because of the ramifications that that particular word would bring up. I decided if he wasn’t gonna bring it up then I was gonna help out a friend and talk to his Corporal, which by the way is an easy going person. She listened to me and was unsure if she should bring it up, mainly because she doesn’t have a set of kohonas (spell chk). If she wasn’t gonna do anything then I was gonna go to a buddy of mine that was just recently promoted to Corporal (Notice I’m going to nobody at all in my immediate chain of command). He believed the same thing I did about the lance and decided to go talk to his NCOs, something I wish I could do only this whole rank thing was the difference in me being a child and an adult. As good of a lance as I am, I of course eavesdropped on them. His Sgt went on saying that he believed that he was being hazed as well but was gonna wait until the next work day to say something, which makes no sense to me at all. He also went on saying that what he was afraid of was that if it was in fact brought up to their SNCO that he would find some loophole sayin that it was “extra military instruction.” So nothing came of that until about 20 mins later. I passed his SNCO in the hall and he stopped me and proceded to call me every name in the book because I am getting the idea of hazing in the head of his Lance Corporal. He then asked me if I even knew the order on hazing. Of course I told him the correct order, which in essence caught him off guard. Once he gathered himself, he then went on asking how I knew it and I told him that I looked it up earlier on my phone. He took that and ran with it, saying that I never do anything at all but play on my phone yadda yadda yadda. I knew I had him beat and it felt great. He then told me that I need to go check out a rifle at supply as well (notice he didn’t say what I needed it for, though we all knew). Of course I did cause it was a lawful order to check it out. I couldn’t wait to get back to the shop so the second he told me that I needed to carry it around all day, I could request mast on his ass in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I really didn’t see him the rest of the day, considering at this point it was closing time. 

    Moral of the story, don’t be afraid of standing up to some washed up, stick-in-their-ass SNCO’s because they might yell at you. If you believe that you are in the right and they are in the wrong, go for it. The way I looked at it, if for some reason this were to back fire on me, it wouldn’t phase me for two reasons: 1) He had way more to lose than I did and 2) I’m not making the same mistake twice. Remember, friends don’t let friends reenlist.

    • Outtacontrol Is Incontrol

      Awesome post, im the same kind of shitbag, fortunately for me, my whole platoon gives the chain of command just as much shit as they give us hahaha

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      This is a great post! I am going to add it to our stories section to see if we can get people talking about this.  Really man, great post!

      http://www.usmcsolutions.com/archives/840 

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    I know the Onion is fake news, but at the same time this is eerily accurate.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/marine-never-knew-what-freedom-was-until-he-left-t,1413/

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    I know the Onion is fake news, but at the same time this is eerily accurate.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/marine-never-knew-what-freedom-was-until-he-left-t,1413/

  • shitbag

    When we assumed the Soldier, we did not lay aside the Citizen.- George Washington

  • shitbag

    When we assumed the Soldier, we did not lay aside the Citizen.- George Washington

  • ScarheadtheJarhead

    Well shit, I don’t know if this is the place to put this or not, but I’ve gotta get it out somewhere, might as well be here right? I joined this disgusting disorganization around a year ago. I was a stupid, motivated(aka retarded) and signed my life away to the corps for the next 6 years of my life. Yes I’m a reservist. I was motivated and ready to serve my country. So far, I haven’t done jack shit. I would hardly call any “Training ops” we do credible. We go to a camp in the middle of Cali, set up tents, and patrol them for two to three days. Yeah, way to serve and protect right? What a waste of taxpayers hard earned dollars! Hell, I haven’t been paid for this bullshit for the last three months, and when i DO get paid, It’s a VERY small amount! It takes me three hours to get to my unit, so I have to fill up my tank twice to get there and back, which takes up all of my drill pay anyways. This last October, right before the Marine corps ball, they asked us who was planning on not going. I raised my hand, explaining that I had no money to go ( i was borrowing money from my dad at that point just to GET to drill) and also had an important interview that I had to go to that could not be rescheduled. They said that was all good to go and what not. Then, the next time I see them at drill, my Ssgt starts spewing all this shit about how I HAVE to go, that it’s required and that I never told him shit about not going. Well I tried to be tactful and explain to him that this was already resolved during last drill, but he wasn’t having any of it. So I got to spend the whole drill being called a shitbag marine, getting extra pt, rifle duty, etc, all because I didn’t have a job and couldn’t afford to go to this stupid ball. Then when we’re all in formation, he starts telling the platoon that he doesn’t care if we’re underage, EVERYONE ill drink at the ball, and have sex. Well I was the only person who raised my hand and said. “Excuse me Ssgt, but I respectfully refuse to partake in either of those activities.” Well apparently standing up for your morals is a huge no no in the corps, as I was once again screamed at like I was a recruit, given extra duty, and was mistreated for talking back to an SNCOIC. This is only the start though ladies and gents. Ever since I’ve been in the corps, I’ve developed chronic depression and anxiety disorder. I’ve NEVER had these symptoms before last year! I went to my doc and am still currently getting help for them both. My unit doc has been helpful, taking me to a military health facility to get checked on and such. But this is the part where I have some questions for anyone who’s ever been in a similar situation. If I do get discharged, what kind of discharge will I get? I’ve been reading up some and from what I can gather, If i get a medical discharge for psychiatric problems, that’s a kiss goodbye to ever getting a job in the civilian world, as well as not allowing me to purchase weapons ever again. (I do love my guns) Is there a way out of this? I’m getting pretty deseperate at this point.

    • Madmike19682003

      i say if you refuse to obey a order they have no moral authority to give you and they complain or retaliate than file charges. how can they make you drink or go to the ball? i did 4 years ACTIVE and i flat out refused to go to a single ball my entire enlistment. i dared them to do something about it and they never did. that being said no offense but how can being a reservist be so tough? you only have to put up with the dumb shit for 2 days at a stretch once a month.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

        Just because he is a “reservist Marine” does not mean that his problem is not a problem.  Please stop picking on the reservists. This defeats the purpose of the site. I want this to be a place that is open for everyone.

        • Madmike19682003

          i am not picking on reservists i just question relative to active marines how hard can reserve duty be? but i appreciate his commuting problem even though he shoulda seen that coming when he joined. maybe he could transfer to a closer unit to home i dunno.

      • ScarheadtheJarhead

         I’m not saying that it’s so terribly hard to go put up with bs for one weekend a month, but the amount of crap they’ve been putting on me has been ridiculous. There’s very little to no communication whatsoever, so if a decision is made, it isn’t passed down the chain, and every e-3 and below gets screwed over because the higher ups don’t want to pass word. And they CAN’T make me do anything unlawful, which is why I stood up and said hell no. Also, to add insult to injury, any package or paperwork I have tried to put through never has, it stops completely or “gets lost.” I get txt messages all the time changing things around like orders, times, dates and such and it’s just a gigantic gaggle fuck when the time comes to “train.”

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Damn… First of all let me tell you that this is a great place for you to make this post, plenty of people have come to this site to share their stories and ask questions or advice.  I’m not entirely sure about what your options are at this point (I’ve never been in a situation like this), however I’ll try to do some research and see what I can find for you.

      Safety and Peace

      • ScarheadtheJarhead

         Thank you for anything you can gather, it would be much appreciated!

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Alright, I have a few options for you… Granted a few of them are just grasping at straws so bear with me…

          Before we begin, the source for my info is MCO P1900.16F (http://www.woundedwarriorregiment.org/documents/MCOP190016FWCH12.pdf) so please feel free to double check my work.

          My best idea would be to try to be discharged under Paragraph 6203 of MCO P1900.16F.  In particular you could try for the “Condition not a Disability”, or the “Personality Disorder” sections.  I know you’ve already mentioned that the possibility of getting a medical discharge for psychiatric problems is a major concern of yours.  However, per the order “If separation can be based on another basis, including another basis under Convenience of the Government, misconduct, or unsatisfactory performance, use one of those bases in spite of the existence of personality disorder.” So it would appear that your chances of your discharge being based on your current mental problems is somewhat small (or it would look like that on paper anyways).It’s also possible that you could attempt to get Conscientious Objector status (kind of grasping at straws here, but it could work).  To do this you will need to meet the qualifications of MCO 1306.16E (http://objector.org/files/35627366.pdf ).  If you do decide to go that route, I would recommend telling them that you recently read the book “The Kingdom of God is Within You” by Leo Tolstoy (the text can be found online at: http://www.online-literature.com/tolstoy/kingdom-of-god/0/ ), and have decided that it is strictly against the teachings of Christ to serve in the military.  (Like I said, kind of grasping at straws, but if you can play the part unwaveringly, it could possibly work for you.)Finally, as a last ditch effort, you could try for a “Hardship Discharge” Per Paragraph 6407 of MCO P1900.16F.  Although, when I read that portion, it seems like it’s referring primarily to financial hardships.  But if you’re to this point then what do you really have to lose?

          Furthermore, I just want you to know that I’m not admin, or legal or any kind of MOS that routinely deals with paperwork, so I’m not making any promises to you regarding my answers, hopefully someone who is a bit more knowledgeable than I am in this respect will be able to help you further.  If you have any more questions please feel free to ask, I may not be an expert, but I’ll do my level best to get some info for you.

          Safety and Peace

          • ScarheadtheJarhead

             Thank you for all the information! I’m not sure if I can afford one right now, but I’ve also thought about consulting a lawyer to help me if I get screwed in the process.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            Your question has been posted on the sites blog as well. http://www.usmcsolutions.com/archives/842

          • Jared

            I’ve been stationed at a reserve unit for the past 7 years. 5 of them active the others reserve. You can MOST DEFINITELY get an administrative discharge that will not go against any record that will prevent you from getting a job in the future. I have seen this done personally buy several reservists at our unit. Some of them did it because they lost money coming to drill and others did it because they just didn’t want to deal with the MC anymore. Either way, it is possible. I am sure you will get a lot of shit and push back from the senior enlisted for doing it, but if you press the issue and put your foot down, you can get out. 

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            Getting administratively discharged will most likely cause you to lose all post enlisted benefits. Getting an admin separation is not the answer to your problems.

  • ScarheadtheJarhead

    Well shit, I don’t know if this is the place to put this or not, but I’ve gotta get it out somewhere, might as well be here right? I joined this disgusting disorganization around a year ago. I was a stupid, motivated(aka retarded) and signed my life away to the corps for the next 6 years of my life. Yes I’m a reservist. I was motivated and ready to serve my country. So far, I haven’t done jack shit. I would hardly call any “Training ops” we do credible. We go to a camp in the middle of Cali, set up tents, and patrol them for two to three days. Yeah, way to serve and protect right? What a waste of taxpayers hard earned dollars! Hell, I haven’t been paid for this bullshit for the last three months, and when i DO get paid, It’s a VERY small amount! It takes me three hours to get to my unit, so I have to fill up my tank twice to get there and back, which takes up all of my drill pay anyways. This last October, right before the Marine corps ball, they asked us who was planning on not going. I raised my hand, explaining that I had no money to go ( i was borrowing money from my dad at that point just to GET to drill) and also had an important interview that I had to go to that could not be rescheduled. They said that was all good to go and what not. Then, the next time I see them at drill, my Ssgt starts spewing all this shit about how I HAVE to go, that it’s required and that I never told him shit about not going. Well I tried to be tactful and explain to him that this was already resolved during last drill, but he wasn’t having any of it. So I got to spend the whole drill being called a shitbag marine, getting extra pt, rifle duty, etc, all because I didn’t have a job and couldn’t afford to go to this stupid ball. Then when we’re all in formation, he starts telling the platoon that he doesn’t care if we’re underage, EVERYONE ill drink at the ball, and have sex. Well I was the only person who raised my hand and said. “Excuse me Ssgt, but I respectfully refuse to partake in either of those activities.” Well apparently standing up for your morals is a huge no no in the corps, as I was once again screamed at like I was a recruit, given extra duty, and was mistreated for talking back to an SNCOIC. This is only the start though ladies and gents. Ever since I’ve been in the corps, I’ve developed chronic depression and anxiety disorder. I’ve NEVER had these symptoms before last year! I went to my doc and am still currently getting help for them both. My unit doc has been helpful, taking me to a military health facility to get checked on and such. But this is the part where I have some questions for anyone who’s ever been in a similar situation. If I do get discharged, what kind of discharge will I get? I’ve been reading up some and from what I can gather, If i get a medical discharge for psychiatric problems, that’s a kiss goodbye to ever getting a job in the civilian world, as well as not allowing me to purchase weapons ever again. (I do love my guns) Is there a way out of this? I’m getting pretty deseperate at this point.

    • Madmike19682003

      i say if you refuse to obey a order they have no moral authority to give you and they complain or retaliate than file charges. how can they make you drink or go to the ball? i did 4 years ACTIVE and i flat out refused to go to a single ball my entire enlistment. i dared them to do something about it and they never did. that being said no offense but how can being a reservist be so tough? you only have to put up with the dumb shit for 2 days at a stretch once a month.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        Just because he is a “reservist Marine” does not mean that his problem is not a problem.  Please stop picking on the reservists. This defeats the purpose of the site. I want this to be a place that is open for everyone.

        • Madmike19682003

          i am not picking on reservists i just question relative to active marines how hard can reserve duty be? but i appreciate his commuting problem even though he shoulda seen that coming when he joined. maybe he could transfer to a closer unit to home i dunno.

      • ScarheadtheJarhead

         I’m not saying that it’s so terribly hard to go put up with bs for one weekend a month, but the amount of crap they’ve been putting on me has been ridiculous. There’s very little to no communication whatsoever, so if a decision is made, it isn’t passed down the chain, and every e-3 and below gets screwed over because the higher ups don’t want to pass word. And they CAN’T make me do anything unlawful, which is why I stood up and said hell no. Also, to add insult to injury, any package or paperwork I have tried to put through never has, it stops completely or “gets lost.” I get txt messages all the time changing things around like orders, times, dates and such and it’s just a gigantic gaggle fuck when the time comes to “train.”

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Damn… First of all let me tell you that this is a great place for you to make this post, plenty of people have come to this site to share their stories and ask questions or advice.  I’m not entirely sure about what your options are at this point (I’ve never been in a situation like this), however I’ll try to do some research and see what I can find for you.

      Safety and Peace

      • ScarheadtheJarhead

         Thank you for anything you can gather, it would be much appreciated!

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Alright, I have a few options for you… Granted a few of them are just grasping at straws so bear with me…

          Before we begin, the source for my info is MCO P1900.16F (http://www.woundedwarriorregiment.org/documents/MCOP190016FWCH12.pdf ) so please feel free to double check my work.

          My best idea would be to try to be discharged under Paragraph 6203 of MCO P1900.16F.  In particular you could try for the “Condition not a Disability”, or the “Personality Disorder” sections.  I know you’ve already mentioned that the possibility of getting a medical discharge for psychiatric problems is a major concern of yours.  However, per the order “If separation can be based on another basis, including another basis under Convenience of the Government, misconduct, or unsatisfactory performance, use one of those bases in spite of the existence of personality disorder.” So it would appear that your chances of your discharge being based on your current mental problems is somewhat small (or it would look like that on paper anyways).It’s also possible that you could attempt to get Conscientious Objector status (kind of grasping at straws here, but it could work).  To do this you will need to meet the qualifications of MCO 1306.16E (http://objector.org/files/35627366.pdf ).  If you do decide to go that route, I would recommend telling them that you recently read the book “The Kingdom of God is Within You” by Leo Tolstoy (the text can be found online at: http://www.online-literature.com/tolstoy/kingdom-of-god/0/ ), and have decided that it is strictly against the teachings of Christ to serve in the military.  (Like I said, kind of grasping at straws, but if you can play the part unwaveringly, it could possibly work for you.)

          Finally, as a last ditch effort, you could try for a “Hardship Discharge” Per Paragraph 6407 of MCO P1900.16F.  Although, when I read that portion, it seems like it’s referring primarily to financial hardships.  But if you’re to this point then what do you really have to lose?

          Furthermore, I just want you to know that I’m not admin, or legal or any kind of MOS that routinely deals with paperwork, so I’m not making any promises to you regarding my answers, hopefully someone who is a bit more knowledgeable than I am in this respect will be able to help you further.  If you have any more questions please feel free to ask, I may not be an expert, but I’ll do my level best to get some info for you.

          Safety and Peace

          • ScarheadtheJarhead

             Thank you for all the information! I’m not sure if I can afford one right now, but I’ve also thought about consulting a lawyer to help me if I get screwed in the process.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            Your question has been posted on the sites blog as well. http://www.usmcsolutions.com/archives/842

          • Jared

            I’ve been stationed at a reserve unit for the past 7 years. 5 of them active the others reserve. You can MOST DEFINITELY get an administrative discharge that will not go against any record that will prevent you from getting a job in the future. I have seen this done personally buy several reservists at our unit. Some of them did it because they lost money coming to drill and others did it because they just didn’t want to deal with the MC anymore. Either way, it is possible. I am sure you will get a lot of shit and push back from the senior enlisted for doing it, but if you press the issue and put your foot down, you can get out. 

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            Getting administratively discharged will most likely cause you to lose all post enlisted benefits. Getting an admin separation is not the answer to your problems.

  • Guest

    Civillian, you know the quote “the harder the battle, the sweeter the victory”? Was that what it was like when your enlistment finished?

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      Honestly I have never heard of that quote before and I did a quick google search and came up with nothing.  Due t this, I am unable to answer your question.

  • Guest

    Civillian, you know the quote “the harder the battle, the sweeter the victory”? Was that what it was like when your enlistment finished?

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      Honestly I have never heard of that quote before and I did a quick google search and came up with nothing.  Due to this, I am unable to answer your question.

  • shitbag

    Anyone here know the easiest way to claim disability out of the Marine Corps without actually being disabled? Figured I’d get what I can since they got everything else these 5 years.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

      My best advice is to drop that thought entirely. If you were to try that and get busted, it would be far worse for you than the MC ever has been.  What I would do is think long and hard of every little tiny thing that you think could be considered something “disability worthy”.  You can claim all kinds of things, even scars. If you have anything wrong with you, ANYTHING that was not recorded when you joined, it is considered service related.  Claim everything you can think of. This is not only your best chance, but the most honorable one.

      When you get disability, you get it every month until you die.  If you were getting paid all that money because of a lie (stealing hard earned tax dollars from the people), that is one of the most unpatriotic things that you could do. At least imo.

      I please ask that no one give advice on how to “cheat disability” because that is not what this site is about. 

      Shitbag, I am glad you asked this question though, because honestly, it probably crosses a lot of Marines minds, and it gave me a chance to address it appropriately so other people can read and know this as well.  Sorry that we cannot help you any further with this.

  • shitbag

    Anyone here know the easiest way to claim disability out of the Marine Corps without actually being disabled? Figure I’d get what I can since they got everything else these 5 years.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      My best advice is to drop that thought entirely. If you were to try that and get busted, it would be far worse for you than the MC ever has been.  What I would do is think long and hard of every little tiny thing that you think could be considered something “disability worthy”.  You can claim all kinds of things, even scars. If you have anything wrong with you, ANYTHING that was not recorded when you joined, it is considered service related.  Claim everything you can think of. This is not only your best chance, but the most honorable one.

      When you get disability, you get it every month until you die.  If you were getting paid all that money because of a lie (stealing hard earned tax dollars from the people), that is one of the most unpatriotic things that you could do. At least imo.

      I please ask that no one give advice on how to “cheat disability” because that is not what this site is about. 

      Shitbag, I am glad you asked this question though, because honestly, it probably crosses a lot of Marines minds, and it gave me a chance to address it appropriately so other people can read and know this as well.  Sorry that we cannot help you any further with this.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Saw this facebook ad, and just couldn’t help but laugh at the irony of it.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    Saw this facebook ad, and just couldn’t help but laugh at the irony of it.

  • 0621

    Marine Corps was allright did eight years before I got out. Just got tired of all the bs yeah I sucked it up doing duty when I wasnt scheduled for it, although if I ever went UA for duty or showed up late for formation I would prob be bitched at and busted down.  To many nco’s not doing a thing when they heavily outnumbered the new guys and btw when I picked up nco I worked not just “supervising.”  Remembered one time our unit had an alphas inspection done everything when I was sick and passed with no problem but our nco’s were all jacked up, so the next day on a saturday we had another inspection just the non-ncos because heaven forbid another snco told our ssgt his boys were fucked up.
     
      Dont know how many times I was passed by for promotion for some bs like lack of leadership when I was a corporal working under two sergeants a snco and officer even when noone had to tell me what to do and within weight requirements.  Even then when I was passed over for alot of stuff like my first unit, my nco’s said I dont know nothing but I have had air officers and even the unit Sgt Maj and Colonel wanting me to work for them because I did my job.  Btw I was a radio operator which means I had to do my job plus do the grunt stuff as well but when I got out of the field I was cleaning equipment all night while everyone was off by three or four in the afternoon going out or chilling playing games.
     
      Final kicker for me to get out was to many damn lifers (lazy ignorant fucks expecting retirement) in my last unit, I was in charge of a section until we got some bi-polar cook that somehow made sgt couldnt pass the tests in other units to work in those jobs since he couldnt do his MOS, so we got stuck with him to be manual labour if we needed him.  Eventually I try to get him to do something he whines alot and tries to act like my boss then goes crying to our gysgt that he is in charge and I disobeyed him, even when the gysgt said I made the decisions and I was supposed to tell him what to do the day he got there.  Likely to say since my gysgt and his top heavy brothas was afraid to make waves I barely dodged a court martial for failure to obey a direct order and assault, because  he was bi-polar he liked to jump in your face spitting and crap so I put my hand out to stop him.

      All I can say is if you want to go into the MC go ahead its for some people and isnt great for others, I have no problem with authority but when the hypocrits in charge bitch at you for no reason because they got in trouble or tell you to shut up and tough it out even tho they are sliming through the system its better to be a civilian so you can look into finding another job and quit your old one and leave before they screw up your life.

  • 0621

    Marine Corps was allright did eight years before I got out. Just got tired of all the bs yeah I sucked it up doing duty when I wasnt scheduled for it, although if I ever went UA for duty or showed up late for formation I would prob be bitched at and busted down.  To many nco’s not doing a thing when they heavily outnumbered the new guys and btw when I picked up nco I worked not just “supervising.”  Remembered one time our unit had an alphas inspection done everything when I was sick and passed with no problem but our nco’s were all jacked up, so the next day on a saturday we had another inspection just the non-ncos because heaven forbid another snco told our ssgt his boys were fucked up.
     
      Dont know how many times I was passed by for promotion for some bs like lack of leadership when I was a corporal working under two sergeants a snco and officer even when noone had to tell me what to do and within weight requirements.  Even then when I was passed over for alot of stuff like my first unit, my nco’s said I dont know nothing but I have had air officers and even the unit Sgt Maj and Colonel wanting me to work for them because I did my job.  Btw I was a radio operator which means I had to do my job plus do the grunt stuff as well but when I got out of the field I was cleaning equipment all night while everyone was off by three or four in the afternoon going out or chilling playing games.
     
      Final kicker for me to get out was to many damn lifers (lazy ignorant fucks expecting retirement) in my last unit, I was in charge of a section until we got some bi-polar cook that somehow made sgt couldnt pass the tests in other units to work in those jobs since he couldnt do his MOS, so we got stuck with him to be manual labour if we needed him.  Eventually I try to get him to do something he whines alot and tries to act like my boss then goes crying to our gysgt that he is in charge and I disobeyed him, even when the gysgt said I made the decisions and I was supposed to tell him what to do the day he got there.  Likely to say since my gysgt and his top heavy brothas was afraid to make waves I barely dodged a court martial for failure to obey a direct order and assault, because  he was bi-polar he liked to jump in your face spitting and crap so I put my hand out to stop him.

      All I can say is if you want to go into the MC go ahead its for some people and isnt great for others, I have no problem with authority but when the hypocrits in charge bitch at you for no reason because they got in trouble or tell you to shut up and tough it out even tho they are sliming through the system its better to be a civilian so you can look into finding another job and quit your old one and leave before they screw up your life.

  • Guest

    What’s the best way of getting out if my ship ate is in one week?

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Tell them that you changed your mind.  That’s it! They will tell you that it is too late, but that is an absolute 100% BIG FAT LIE!!!!!!  You can even leave bootcamp if you wanted to. Zero repercussions. 

      If you decide to do this, please keep us updated on the situation. 

      • Guest

        what if i just don’t go?

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

           I am not sure about that one. I would really recommend telling them that you are no longer interested. You refuse to go no matter what. They only way they can make you go is if they tie you up and drag you.  That should get your point across.  If you have parents that can help, you should tell them what your thoughts are about this. Maybe you can show them this site so they can get an idea of WHY you do not want to go, maybe they can help you.

          But just not going is a really really really bad idea. 

          • Guest

            I have a feeling i’m going to be threatened…

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            Don’t you think that is a much better price to pay? A threat is just words, there is nothing they can do except say words.  They cannot effect your quality of life AT ALL.

            Only if you decide to go or just ignore it.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            I am reaching out to as many people as I can right now to get you some of the best advice you can possibly get, period.  Please hang out or check back often to see what else has been posted.  Thank you so much for taking the time to seek help from us, it is what we are here for.

          • Guest

            thanks

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

            Of course man!  This is the whole purpose for the existence of this site.  People like you with the questions they have are what keeps this site up and running.  People like you are the life of this site, and it sure does make me feel fucking good to help people out FOR FREE.  This site has been been helping people for two years now and has not made a single penny. I am on track to keep it that way.

            This site is 100% at your service and disposal.

          • Jesus

            Don’t show up.  

            You win.

      • lvestobwyked

        I dont know about that one…. I seriously dont think that you can leave boot camp any time you want….

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          You can, Ihatedis89 did it quite admirably.  All you have to do is steadfastly refuse to train.  You may not get to leave on your own time table (they have to do the paperwork to process you out) but they will let you go.

    • Liv2ridezzr6

      Hey man they can’t threaten u if they do tell them u want to speak to his OIC in person push it up as high as u can tell them you have changed your mind and it shouldnt be that big of a deal because they are down sizing.

    • Liv2ridezzr6

      Also my Ssgt just come from being a recruiter I will ask him. He is pretty chill and won’t lie to me

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

        Thank you so much!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Alright, here’s what I have for you, 

      For starters, DoD Directive 1332.14 (http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/133214p.pdf ) Page 17 has the process for being discharged from the DEP, so it can be done, and it appears that it is DoD policy to allow these separations.

      Furthermore, this link: http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/joiningup/a/dep.htm has states that, while technically, legal action could be taken for someone who decides not to follow through with a military contract, it has not been done in AT LEAST the past 27 years.

      I would strongly recommend calling your recruiter, telling him you’re no longer interested.  At this point, he’s either gonna get upset with you, he’s gonna try to tell you that you it’s not possible, or he’s going to spill some candy-coated vision of how awesome the marine corps is.  If he gets mad, who cares, there are greater problems in the world than if one recruiter is mad at you.  If he says it’s not possible, call him out and tell him that DoD Directive 1332.14 says that it is possible (if you do your homework, a recruiter can’t lie to you).  And if he tries to paint a pretty picture of the marine corps to motivate you, don’t buy in.

      You CAN be excused from your contract, so as soon as you contact your recruiter, I would recommend that you refuse to ship out for boot camp on the grounds that you now have a pending request for discharge.

      I’ll continue to look into this and if I find anything more solid I’ll be sure to let you know

      Safety and Peace

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        To elaborate on the DoD Directive, it seems like Page 17 has the instructions for if the military wants to void your contract, however it also states that you can be separated “Upon his or her request” so once again contact your recruiter and tell him that you’re requesting discharge from the DEP in accordance with DoD Directive 1332.14.  You’ll blow his mind.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

           Ninja, as always, you are the fuckin man. Thanks!!!

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Well thank you kindly my good sir! It’s a pleasure!

    • anonymous

      tell him you changed your mind and cite the article ninja punch posted. if he bitches tell him to pound sand, LOL.

    • Brettwood71

      Walk into your recruiters office and tell them you want out…thats all you have to do…in 30 days you’ll get a discharge letter in the mail and that will be that…If at a later date you wish to enlist you will not be able too because you will be black listed but you’ve thought about it that far ahead i’m sure…

  • Guest

    What’s the best way of getting out if my ship ate is in one week?

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

       Tell them that you changed your mind.  That’s it! They will tell you that it is too late, but that is an absolute 100% BIG FAT LIE!!!!!!  You can even leave bootcamp if you wanted to. Zero repercussions. 

      If you decide to do this, please keep us updated on the situation. 

      • Guest

        what if i just don’t go?

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

           I am not sure about that one. I would really recommend telling them that you are no longer interested. You refuse to go no matter what. They only way they can make you go is if they tie you up and drag you.  That should get your point across.  If you have parents that can help, you should tell them what your thoughts are about this. Maybe you can show them this site so they can get an idea of WHY you do not want to go, maybe they can help you.

          But just not going is a really really really bad idea. 

          • Guest

            I have a feeling i’m going to be threatened…

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            Don’t you think that is a much better price to pay? A threat is just words, there is nothing they can do except say words.  They cannot effect your quality of life AT ALL.

            Only if you decide to go or just ignore it.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            I am reaching out to as many people as I can right now to get you some of the best advice you can possibly get, period.  Please hang out or check back often to see what else has been posted.  Thank you so much for taking the time to seek help from us, it is what we are here for.

          • Guest

            thanks

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            Of course man!  This is the whole purpose for the existence of this site.  People like you with the questions they have are what keeps this site up and running.  People like you are the life of this site, and it sure does make me feel fucking good to help people out FOR FREE.  This site has been been helping people for two years now and has not made a single penny. I am on track to keep it that way.

            This site is 100% at your service and disposal.

          • Jesus

            Don’t show up.  

            You win.

      • lvestobwyked

        I dont know about that one…. I seriously dont think that you can leave boot camp any time you want….

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          You can, Ihatedis89 did it quite admirably.  All you have to do is steadfastly refuse to train.  You may not get to leave on your own time table (they have to do the paperwork to process you out) but they will let you go.

    • Liv2ridezzr6

      Hey man they can’t threaten u if they do tell them u want to speak to his OIC in person push it up as high as u can tell them you have changed your mind and it shouldnt be that big of a deal because they are down sizing.

    • Liv2ridezzr6

      Also my Ssgt just come from being a recruiter I will ask him. He is pretty chill and won’t lie to me

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        Thank you so much!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Alright, here’s what I have for you, 

      For starters, DoD Directive 1332.14 (http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/133214p.pdf ) Page 17 has the process for being discharged from the DEP, so it can be done, and it appears that it is DoD policy to allow these separations.

      Furthermore, this link: http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/joiningup/a/dep.htm has states that, while technically, legal action could be taken for someone who decides not to follow through with a military contract, it has not been done in AT LEAST the past 27 years.

      I would strongly recommend calling your recruiter, telling him you’re no longer interested.  At this point, he’s either gonna get upset with you, he’s gonna try to tell you that you it’s not possible, or he’s going to spill some candy-coated vision of how awesome the marine corps is.  If he gets mad, who cares, there are greater problems in the world than if one recruiter is mad at you.  If he says it’s not possible, call him out and tell him that DoD Directive 1332.14 says that it is possible (if you do your homework, a recruiter can’t lie to you).  And if he tries to paint a pretty picture of the marine corps to motivate you, don’t buy in.

      You CAN be excused from your contract, so as soon as you contact your recruiter, I would recommend that you refuse to ship out for boot camp on the grounds that you now have a pending request for discharge.

      I’ll continue to look into this and if I find anything more solid I’ll be sure to let you know

      Safety and Peace

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        To elaborate on the DoD Directive, it seems like Page 17 has the instructions for if the military wants to void your contract, however it also states that you can be separated “Upon his or her request” so once again contact your recruiter and tell him that you’re requesting discharge from the DEP in accordance with DoD Directive 1332.14.  You’ll blow his mind.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

           Ninja, as always, you are the fuckin man. Thanks!!!

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Well thank you kindly my good sir! It’s a pleasure!

    • anonymous

      tell him you changed your mind and cite the article ninja punch posted. if he bitches tell him to pound sand, LOL.

    • Brettwood71

      Walk into your recruiters office and tell them you want out…thats all you have to do…in 30 days you’ll get a discharge letter in the mail and that will be that…If at a later date you wish to enlist you will not be able too because you will be black listed but you’ve thought about it that far ahead i’m sure…

  • Anon

    Look coming from a guy who has been through the process and shipped to basic and was let go due to an injury, You have 180 days from the time you sign your active duty contract to get out, if you want out you can do a couple of things.  Go down to your recruiting station and tell them you changed your mind, be prepared for some bullshit lies about how you will go to jail, how you signed up and there is no backing out and also some shit they are going to give you about how you are less of a man or what not. Remember recruiters have quotas to meet and they WILL say anything to get you to ship to bct even if its a blatant lie. Now option two is just simply don’t ship, don’t go to meps on ship day, don’t answer any calls from them and  just all together disappear for a little while, they will void your contract and you are done. Just remember that if you do NOT ship nothing bad will happen to you but you may have trouble rejoining if you change your mind later, the government is more and more using us who volunteer to defend their friend and family from the evils in the world as toys that they can throw in any country and have killed off at a whim. I chose to join for my own reasons but was let go. If you do not want to go and fight and or willing to die in some country then do NOT ship.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com Civilian

       Thank you so much

  • Anon

    Look coming from a guy who has been through the process and shipped to basic and was let go due to an injury, You have 180 days from the time you sign your active duty contract to get out, if you want out you can do a couple of things.  Go down to your recruiting station and tell them you changed your mind, be prepared for some bullshit lies about how you will go to jail, how you signed up and there is no backing out and also some shit they are going to give you about how you are less of a man or what not. Remember recruiters have quotas to meet and they WILL say anything to get you to ship to bct even if its a blatant lie. Now option two is just simply don’t ship, don’t go to meps on ship day, don’t answer any calls from them and  just all together disappear for a little while, they will void your contract and you are done. Just remember that if you do NOT ship nothing bad will happen to you but you may have trouble rejoining if you change your mind later, the government is more and more using us who volunteer to defend their friend and family from the evils in the world as toys that they can throw in any country and have killed off at a whim. I chose to join for my own reasons but was let go. If you do not want to go and fight and or willing to die in some country then do NOT ship.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

       Thank you so much

  • Carlitovtec

    im a poole, after reading all this shit all i have to say is wow..insane. my mos will be 3521 as a reservist. i was told i could switch to active duity once i get to my reserve station. probly a lie now that i read all this….

    • Madmike19682003

      you can volunteer for deeployments and i know 1 guy(combat engineer) who was a reservist who didn’t like it and went active but i was told it took a lotta paperwork.

      • Carlitovtec

        is the corps really that bad? my sister and brother are both in but ive never heard stories like the ones i just read. for some reason tho (ignorance i guess you can say) i still want this. it has been my dream to be a Marine since i was a sophmore in high school.

        • GreenDazzle86

           It is fucking bad. Don’t do it.

          • Carlitovtec

            are you still in?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            I’m still in for a couple of months yet.

          • Carlitovtec

            so do you regret it?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            In a sense.  My time in the marine corps, and especially my Afghanistan deployment allowed me to help support my family when my father lost his job.  Had I not been in the military I probably wouldn’t have been in a financial position to do that, so from a purely financial aspect I’m grateful.

            But I hate what I’ve gone through, and what I’ve done to earn that money, I’m not proud of what I’ve done, and if I had a chance to go back, all things considered I wouldn’t do it over again, I’m not sure what I would’ve done with regards to supporting my family, but I’m sure I would’ve figured something out.

            If you’re interested, you can read my story here: http://www.fleetmarinelife.com/?p=589

            Safety and Peace

          • Carlitovtec

            dude youre the man. thank you for your service. i look up to guys like you. ima read up on your story.

        • Uhwhat?

           Everything that is being said here is pretty damn true.  Sure there are a couple of woosies here and there, but for the most part, real life every day Marine Corps stuff

          • Carlitovtec

            you still in?

        • Madmike19682003

          most people hate it when they are in but a few people like it. different strokes for different folks i guess. many of the things people complain on this site are dead right. the training is not nearly as good as the corps claims unless your special forces. most of the marines you serve with you will not get along with and you will serve with some total morons in most units. the corps is obsessed with it’s appearance to the point everything else is irrelevant. the way things look are way more important than how they work. most people find the corps a very depressing soul killing place and the turnover is very high. 38 percent of marines don’t last one year though a lot of them don’t belong in the service. the average marine has a 5 year career,the average soldier 7 years,for the navy it’s 8 and air force it’s 9. that should tell you something. a few years ago i saw a report that had the marines list 1,500 deserters. and how many did the air force have???????the answer is 15! the AF had 1/100th the deserters despite being a bigger branch. what makes the corps suck is not higher standards or tougher training but how poorly marines are treated by the chain of command and your fellow marines. the hazing for a new guy especially in the infantry is brutal. the marine corps has a strange need to make military life way nastier than it has to be. the training is built to make slaves not warriors.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Madmike has said all that really needs to be said.  I second his post entirely.

          • Carlitovtec

            thanks for the reply bro. i honestly have alo.t to think about. but then again its a little to late. my mid is prity much set and i already depD in. i dont want to be that guy that is extra motto, gets there, and deserts. that would suck ass…why did i have to find this website nowww haha. its cool though. i needed to see the ugly side that my recruiter never told me about. i have alot of questions to ask but i dont want to get anoying

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Hey ask away man, that’s why this site exists.

            I’ll say this much, you shouldn’t decide that you’re going to go just because you’re already in the DEP, but you shouldn’t necessarily not go just because a lot of people tell you not to.  We can offer our experiences, but in the end you need to make your own decision on this.

            Also remember, you have up until 180 days from the day you ship for boot camp, to change your mind and get out on Entry Level Separation, so just because your mind is pretty much set right now, doesn’t mean that you can’t change your mind later.

          • Carlitovtec

            your cool as shit man thanks for your honesty and the info and for the truth. right now i have so many questions i dont even know where to start. alot of them refer to boot camp. noone ever explains how hard it really is.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            The thing about boot camp is that it’s not nearly so physically challenging as they try to make it sound, I know plenty of people who left boot camp in worse physical shape than when they went in, simply because they couldn’t work out as intensely as they used to.

            The difficulty is almost purely mental, having a D.I. yell for you to run to the left, going for three steps, then being told to stop and run to the right, and repeat until you’ve done it fast enough for his likings.  If you expect to leave boot camp as a trained warrior, you’ll be very disappointed, boot camp is really more about programming you to mindlessly obey orders by creating a fear of what will happen if you don’t.

            That’s boot camp in a nut shell, if you have questions please feel free to ask.  I check this site more often than my own Facebook, so I’m usually on several times a day.

            Safety and Peace

          • Madmike19682003

            boot camp is easy just annoying. just be in good shape i wasn’t and i paid a price for it(couldn’t do pullups to save my life) but i toughed it out and graduated. just don’t quit and you’ll do fine. don’t take the drill instructors b.s. personally and intellectually it’s easier than middle school. NEVER go in open contract you WILL get fucked. don’t ship unless you have the mos you want in writing. another piece of advice i love to give is this DO NOT SERVE WITH STUPID PEOPLE!!!!!! this cannot be emphasised enough. do not take a mos that can be done with anyone who has a i.q. under 100. also do not serve in a unit that allows people with i.q. scores under 100. this cannot be stressed adequately enough. you do not want to be serving with shitheads who can barely read and write and you damn sure don’t want them as nco’s or snco’s telling you what to do.

          • lvestobwyked

            Act like a tool get treated like a tool….

          • Madmike19682003

            no it’s get picked on ’cause you don’t drink booze to get drunk,won’t put up with getting hazed,don’t use tobacco,come from a upper middle class background while a lot of the people around you are from the wrong side of the tracks and are jealous of it and had parents who taught me right from wrong while a lot of marines had the moral fibre of sex offenders.

          • dmoto Marine

            omg brother you coulnt have said that any better. I feel like im surrounded by complete morons and that the Marines i like actually were raised with good morals. Since ive been in i’ve met so much alcholics so much ex druggies gangmembers, things that disgusted me in civilian world.

          • 76g

            Do the ones with good morals outnumber the other ones or other way around?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            The scum bags with the morals of a crack whore vastly outnumber the morally sound marines.  It makes sense really, the scum bags know that they can continue to behave as they do with minimal repercussions, while in the civilian world they would most likely be on the receiving end of a beat down on a daily basis for the way they behave.

            Meanwhile, the decent human beings, who know that they can leave and be around other decent human beings, do so as soon as they can.

          • Madmike19682003

            there have been studies on people who get out versus the ones who reenlist and every such study has shown that people who get out of the military after the first enlistment have substantial higher i.q. test scores than the ones who reenlist on average.

          • youarealier

            Bullshit

          • Madmike19682003

            check it out if you dare. i’m talking about people who complete the initial enlistment not those who drop out because of stupid shit like drugs or deserting. don’t blame me for the study blame the pentagon.

    • anonymous

      “How bad it really is” I think i depends on what type of person you are and what you want to get out of your life. me personally, I hate it. but there are people who love it, and people who fall in the middle as well. I’m not gonna tell you it’s impossible to switch to active, but it’s extremely unlikely that will happen.

    • lvestobwyked

      You can switch but it hard…reason being is your filling a line number that is accounted for…if you switch to the active duty side then that line number oyur leaving will be “gapped” as well…

  • Carlitovtec

    im a poole, after reading all this shit all i have to say is wow..insane. my mos will be 3521 as a reservist. i was told i could switch to active duity once i get to my reserve station. probly a lie now that i read all this….

    • Madmike19682003

      you can volunteer for deeployments and i know 1 guy(combat engineer) who was a reservist who didn’t like it and went active but i was told it took a lotta paperwork.

      • Carlitovtec

        is the corps really that bad? my sister and brother are both in but ive never heard stories like the ones i just read. for some reason tho (ignorance i guess you can say) i still want this. it has been my dream to be a Marine since i was a sophmore in high school.

        • GreenDazzle86

           It is fucking bad. Don’t do it.

          • Carlitovtec

            are you still in?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            I’m still in for a couple of months yet.

          • Carlitovtec

            so do you regret it?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            In a sense.  My time in the marine corps, and especially my Afghanistan deployment allowed me to help support my family when my father lost his job.  Had I not been in the military I probably wouldn’t have been in a financial position to do that, so from a purely financial aspect I’m grateful.

            But I hate what I’ve gone through, and what I’ve done to earn that money, I’m not proud of what I’ve done, and if I had a chance to go back, all things considered I wouldn’t do it over again, I’m not sure what I would’ve done with regards to supporting my family, but I’m sure I would’ve figured something out.

            If you’re interested, you can read my story here: http://www.fleetmarinelife.com/?p=589

            Safety and Peace

          • Carlitovtec

            dude youre the man. thank you for your service. i look up to guys like you. ima read up on your story.

        • Uhwhat?

           Everything that is being said here is pretty damn true.  Sure there are a couple of woosies here and there, but for the most part, real life every day Marine Corps stuff

          • Carlitovtec

            you still in?

        • Madmike19682003

          most people hate it when they are in but a few people like it. different strokes for different folks i guess. many of the things people complain on this site are dead right. the training is not nearly as good as the corps claims unless your special forces. most of the marines you serve with you will not get along with and you will serve with some total morons in most units. the corps is obsessed with it’s appearance to the point everything else is ir