How To Get Out Of Boot Camp (And MCT/SOI)

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Here at iHateTheUSMC.com, we’ve fairly commonly had the parents, spouses, girlfriends/boyfriends, etc. of a Recruit that is currently in Boot Camp come on the site asking something to the effect of: “My [Family Member/Significant Other] went to boot camp, but something happened and now he or she really just wants out. Is there anything he or she can do to get out of boot camp and the marine corps and come home?” My answer to the Recruits who want out of the marine corps is “Yes. You most likely still qualify for an Entry-Level Separation.” That being said, getting an Entry-Level Separation isn’t quite as easy or convenient as it would’ve been if you had decided to withdraw from the Delayed Entry Program (DEP) instead.

[NOTE: The advice given in this article is geared specifically to marine corps recruits. Please note that - while marines in MCT/SOI may still be in Entry Level Status - there is no provision that guarantees an Entry Level Separation for marines in MCT/SOI. That being said, the worst type of discharge that could be received for refusal to train would be an Other Than Honorable (OTH) Discharge. An OTH will have virtually no impact on your civilian life, except that an OTH may make it more difficult for you to get a job with the federal government.]

First of all, before we get too deep into discussion, it’s important to determine whether or not you actually qualify for an Entry-Level Separation. Paragraph 6002, Section 7, of the Marine Corps Separations Manual  lays out the qualifications for “Entry-Level Status” in the Marine Corps as follows:

  • For Active Duty, “a member qualifies for entry-level status during the first 180 days of continuous active military service”. This means that, from the day a recruit arrives at boot camp, he or she is in “Entry-Level Status” for the next 180 days.
  • For Reservists, entry-level status is slightly more complicated, but in general it terminates after being called to Active Duty “for one continuous period of 180 days or more”.

If you’ve been in for longer than 180 days, unfortunately you no longer qualify for Entry-Level Separation. At this point the best advice I can give is to tell you to try to make it through your enlistment as best you can, come visit the Anonymous Discussion page at iHateTheUSMC.com whenever you need to vent, never be afraid to contact mental health if need be, and claim every benefit you deserve when you finally do get out.

Now then, if you have NOT yet been in for 180 days, then you still have hope for an Entry-Level Separation. Paragraph 6205 (Pages 187 – 188) of the Separations Manual states that ”A member may be separated while in an entry level status, if the member is unqualified for further service by reason of entry level performance and/or conduct, as evidenced by incapability, lack of reasonable effort, failure to adapt to the Marine Corps environment, or minor disciplinary infractions.” The order goes on to state that “all personnel administratively separated from recruit training will be processed under this reason except in those limited cases where processing under a more serious basis is appropriate and where discharge characterization under other than honorable conditions is warranted.” This effectively means that, if you’re separated from boot camp, you will receive an Entry-Level Separation, so long as you don’t do anything that causes significant injury to another person (i.e. start a fist-fight with another Recruit in an effort to get kicked out).

Note: A fuller list of situations that warrant an “Other Than Honorable” (OTH) Discharge can be found on Page 25 of the Separations Manual. However, it’s important to note that almost NONE of the listed situations could possibly apply to a Recruit.

 

Alright, now that we’ve gotten past all of the paperwork, it’s time to get to the real question: How does this affect me? How do I use this to get out of Boot Camp?

Quite contrary to what you and every recruit since the dawn of boot camp has been told, You Can Quit. It’s not quite as easy as quitting the DEP, and it requires some commitment, but if you’re serious about getting out of boot camp and the Marine Corps, a few days of hardship should be worth getting 4 years of your life back. The following is a very basic outline of how to go about quitting. Bear in mind that individual experiences may vary, and you may need to adapt your approach to meet your current situation.

Step 1: Get in the proper mindset. Odds are you’ve spent the past few weeks referring to yourself as “This Recruit”, doing anything and everything that you’re told out of fear of being screamed at, being taken for “Incentive Training” (I.T.) or (the ultimate Drill Instructor threat) being “dropped” or “recycled” to a different recruit company to repeat some aspect of training. The first thing you need to do is get out of that mindset.

  1. Remember that these Drill Instructors (D.I.s) are just people, just like you. They’re not anything special. Look them in the eye when you speak to them, refer to yourself in the first person, and don’t call them “sir/ma’am” or acknowledge their rank in any way. These things will take away your D.I.s sense of control over you.
  2. When your D.I.s start yelling and screaming, take a moment to realize just how stupid they look. Odds are, they look like a complete idiot and – in the correct mindset – you may find it very hard not to laugh at your D.I.s.
  3. Realize that you don’t need to be worried about I.T. If you don’t want to be taken for I.T. all you have to do is not go. If your D.I. says “get on the Quarterdeck!” All you have to do is smile and say is “No, I don’t really feel like it right now, but thank you for the offer.” What are they gonna do? Scream? Threaten you with I.T.? If you’re in the correct mindset, all of their threats are completely empty.
  4. Sure you might get dropped back in training (It’s actually very unlikely, but it’s still possible) but really, if you’re in a mindset where you’ve rendered all of the D.I.s threats to be completely harmless, what can they do? About the only thing they can really do is drop you into the Recruit Separation Platoon (RSP), which is where you want to be anyway.

Step 2: When you have made up your mind, and you’ve reached the mindset where the D.I.s have nothing to threaten you with, take a seat on your footlocker, put your feet up, and relax. Of course your D.I.s won’t take kindly to this, they’ll likely start out by screaming, just look them in the eye, and smile. If their screaming becomes annoying, you may choose to taunt them, saying something like “Come on! Is that all the louder you can scream? My Grandmother yells louder than that!” Taunts of this nature should be used in moderation, but when used skillfully, they will not only show the D.I.s that their screams are ineffective, but will also put you in a position of control as the D.I.s have to decide to either stop screaming or to give in to your taunts and scream louder on your command. Either way, you win.

From here, your D.I.s will likely try to figure out why you’re doing what you’re doing. They’ll still be shouting, but they’ll ask “What are you doing?” or some similar question. Simply tell them “I quit. I don’t want to be a marine anymore, so I quit”. They’ll tell you “You can’t quit! You signed the contract… etc. etc.” respond “Too bad, I already quit.” Stand your ground, don’t let them intimidate you with their empty threats, and you will eventually win.

Note: It is possible that your D.I.s may try to punish other Recruits in an attempt to break you. They may start to I.T. a group of Recruits and tell them that the I.T. session will not end until you join in. This approach is particularly useful to D.I.s because it allows them to make you feel responsible for the suffering of other Recruits who didn’t do anything to deserve punishment. Your D.I.s will almost definitely allow the other Recruits to yell at you, pleading with you to join in the I.T. session so that it will stop. Continue to resist. Remind the Recruits that you’re not forcing them to do anything, and that if they want the session to stop, all they have to do is get up and leave. If you can successfully resist this tactic, it will work to your advantage in a couple of ways:

  1. It will reinforce to your D.I.s that you are determined to not continue with boot camp, and they cannot break you.
  2. The MCRD San Diego I.T. Card specifically states that “IT will never be assigned to a unit as a result of one recruit’s actions”, and the MCRD Parris Island I.T. Card states that “S.D.I.s may IT the whole platoon only as a response to the deficiencies of the platoon as a whole.” Thus,  by assigning I.T. to a group as a result of your actions, your D.I.s are in violation of a direct order and you will be able to use this as ammunition against them when your D.I.s send you to talk to your Company or Series Commander.

Step 3: After a day or two of continuous resistance, your D.I.s will most likely send you to speak to either your Company or Series Commander. It’s important that you keep up your mindset, don’t stand at attention, don’t salute, don’t address the Commander as sir or ma’am. That being said, if your Commander speaks to you in a courteous, respectful manner, then speak to your Commander with similar courtesy. Your Commander will probably ask you why you’re behaving as you are, why you don’t want to be a marine anymore, and may even offer to make some changes if you will resume training. Decline his or her offers, and continue to resist. Within a few days after this meeting you will most likely be dropped to Recruit Separations Platoon (RSP).

Once you’ve made it to RSP you can afford to relax a little bit. At this point you know you’re being processed for discharge, so you can afford to act like a “good recruit” and say your “yes sirs” etc. just to make your life a little bit easier. You can expect to spend at least 2 weeks in RSP, and possibly quite a bit longer, but once you get out you will be out of the marine corps for good, so the few weeks of RSP should be well worth it.

 

If you wish to verify this answer for yourself, the relevant information regarding Entry-Level Separation can be found on pages 172, 187, and 188 of Marine Corps Order (MCO) P1900.16F.

Additional information on Entry-Level Separation from the marine corps can be found at the “GI Rights Hotline” Website.

Safety and Peace

NINJA_PUNCH

  • BirdPlaneChooChooTrain

    HILARIOUS!!!!!!

  • DidMyTime

    Thanks for making this great post! It is full of all sorts of really interesting information to help all the people that are too weak to be in the Corps to get the fuck out. We dont want you. You are weak. You dont have what it takes.

  • Cam

    Not sure if this is true or not, I remember when I was in bootcamp there was a recruit in a different platoon but the same Co. who suddenly just refused to train, Didnt really talk much just refused to do anything really, So the first seargeant called for a company gathering where we all gathered in a school cirl in front of the squadbay building and the first sergeant explained what was going on and said this is what happens when you refuse to train. And a D.I. walked up to the recruit who was in the center of the school circle and shouted in his face to get in formation twice, the recruit refused both times. so the first sergeant gave the M.P.’s who were standing right there the signal to detain the recruit. And we were told they took him to the brig and then when he arrived he swore he would train if they gave him another chance. so they put him back in training, Not sure if he came back to our co. or not though.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I would be VERY surprised if that turned out to be anything more than a bootcamp rumor.

      • fuckstick

        I’ve never heard of them making much of a ‘ceremonial’ spectacle of it but MPs can be and are used to detain recruits who refuse to train in some cases. I even know of a specific example where one recruit was OC sprayed on the quarterdeck.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S_The_Mod

          Well, they cant OC spray you because you refuse to train. But I can totally see them doing it if the recruit got physical with the MP’s. If they did spray him and were unprovoked, that dude would have a pretty good lawsuit on his hands.

          • 6yrmarine

            When you say they “can’t” this is not true. It may be against regulation, and they may suffer some consequences. But people can do what ever they want. It’s very likely to get away with it as well. They are a team at the depot and support each other. They could go as far as beat the crap out of a recruit, and maybe say the other recruits did it, and get away with it. They may even just be honest and suffer the punishment. Be carful.

      • Sgt Slaughter

        When I was in boot camp in Parris Island (1986) we had a recruit refuse training who was, in fact, cuffed by MPs and taken away. A few years later, I brought this up to a friend of mine who did a tour as a DI and he told me that was a show they put on for the rest of the recruits, as it would be a disaster for everyone to think they could just refuse training.

        I have heard that boot camp has really gotten soft since that time.

    • Lifer

      Hoy shit. Tell me you were Fox Co. Nov ’05-Feb’06.

  • lance bass

    I just got out of boot camp (PI) a week ago on a COG discharge. it stands for convenience of the government. its a medical discharge because I have too many environmental allergies. kind of bs I got sent home. should of requested mass. they said I can come back when I get shots for a little while. are recruiters not going to want to help me out to get back in or…..? then I think about boot camp…..do I really want to do that again. id go AF but they seem so picky.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Knowing that you’ve been discharged for all of your allergies once already, I’d be kind of surprised if a recruiter would deal with you.

      Just a little background info: Since you didn’t complete boot camp, if your recruiter doesn’t recruit another person, to your same MOS, and get him to Boot Camp right away, then he didn’t meet his quota for the month and he’s gonna have some 1st Sgt or Sgt Maj calling him up to yell at him for it.

      So, in a recruiter’s eyes, you’re a huge risk with a lot of potential extra paperwork. I’d be really surprised if they gave you the time of day.

      That being said, why would you want to go back? Honestly there are a lot of recruits (and a lot of marines) who wish that they would’ve just gotten dropped from boot camp so they wouldn’t have to put up with whatever nonsense they’re doing today. Honestly, go to school, get a job, do something other than spend years of your life rotting your brain and abusing your body. Getting dropped from boot camp is a blessing in disguise for you. Trust me.

      Safety and Peace

      • lance bass

        LOL!! your shit is funny as hell. yeah my recruiter called me when I got back and we talked for a while. and he asked me to stop in the office sometime….reading this site is helping me move on of the sinking feeling of not being able to become a marine. but then I have friends that are doing fine in the fleet. (maybe they do hate their lives-most likely) part of me wants to finish what I started. I wanted to be a marine for so long. but then again part of me really misses it. I still have a good relationship with my recruiter though. thank you for this site. it is very helpful, and very informing for people who are thinking about joining. wish I saw this before I signed the papers!!!

  • SemperBarbie

    Weak b*tches can’t make it through basic training. Thank God you nasty civilians didn’t make it into my Corps. Straight garbage!!

    • FailedToAdapt

      Yes, it is your Corps. That’s why they treat you so well. That’s why you have no freedom and very little money. I do not envy you. I can understand your motive to attack people on an internet site. It reinforces a hollow sense of pride that you use to ignore your depraved situation. I am not angry at you, but I do pity you.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S_The_Mod

      A shining example of a Marine everybody! Take a good look.

    • Goku6

      What a dumb cunt.

  • Yut yut kill

    If you join the Marine Corp for money. Your not joining it for the right reason.
    @Failedtoadapt have fun knowing that you were to big a quitter to ever serve in my beloved corp. I hope your family sees that. I hope your friends see that. I hope as your old and gray that you sit there miserable knowing you never stood for anything

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S_The_Mod

      Being a marine is not very difficult so I don’t know why he would ever feel that way.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      It has been my experience that the biggest example of a person who has “never stood for anything” is a career marine.

      The marines who enlist hoping to join an elite unit that emphasizes brotherhood, efficiency, and adaptability; and also insists on exacting moral standards, are the first ones to become disillusioned with the marine corps and get out.

      Meanwhile the marines who joined to get drunk and shoot something; the ones who sit in their rooms and play xbox all day and then go home and talk about how they “fight for freedom”, those are the ones who reenlist and make the marine corps into a career.

      It takes a lot more moral courage to admit that “doing whatever the marine corps says” is not “standing for something”, and that – quite often – a decision to stand for your principles requires you to leave the marine corps behind.

      Safety and Peace

      • tokada

        Its funny how someone that couldn’t hack boot camp would think he knows anything about the Marines. You call it quitting, I call it weeding out the weak.

        • freeatlastfreeatlast

          I call it standing up for yourself and having principals that you won’t compromise for a petty title. Quitting would be what you do in BUDS, where you drop on request. How many time did I hear in boot camp that the easiest way to leave was to graduate? Just put up with the bullshit for your prior-agreed upon amount of time, and you’ll get to leave, and go somewhere else that’s slightly less shitty. The same message that the Marine Corps keeps playing even when you hit the fleet, and it becomes a change in duty station that you’re looking forward to. Don’t worry, I know that this unit sucks horse cock, but the next unit’s going to be WAY better! You might even get treated like more of a fucking person if you pick up that next rank. So just keep your mouth shut and pretend that none of the problems exist you bad ass you.

          • tokada

            I agree with you that the problems do exist, but your pointing the finger at the wrong person. It’s not the corps, its some of the leadership in it. That’s why you try to get promoted as fast as possible and be better than the Marines that lead you. Instead of you changing for the world, why not change the world for the better.

          • USMCFormer

            As a former LT I’ll weigh in on this issue- the Corps is only as good as it leaders and the people in its ranks. If anything, if the Corps is an organization where the majority of people do one enlistment and get out ( because of its culture, shitty lifestyle etc) then it is stuck in a perpetual cycle of people rotating in and out and making the same mistakes over and over again!!
            “If you don’t like it get the fuck out”- all that is is just a superficial statement used by Marines who don’t want to confront real problems , and dismiss those who dare point them out because trying to change a culture is very difficult and demanding work. If you are an intelligent individual who recognizes that the Corps will use and abuse you, and does not care about fixing what’s wrong, then there’s no incentive to stick it out for a long term!

          • freeatlastfreeatlast

            The saddest thing is that the people coming in over the last decade or so have probably been some of the best the Marine Corps could ever hope to get. On top of that, the never ending flood of money that came in over the last decade didn’t encourage investment in lasting infrastructure and meaningful development. The Marine Corps has squandered this glut of opportunity and is now rapidly returning to how it was on September 10th, 2001.

          • freeatlastfreeatlast

            “Instead of you changing for the world, why not change the world for the better.” Well shit Confucius, how about we try to point those problems that you agree exist out on some kind of open forum? Maybe a website of some kind where former and current Marines can go and voice their frustrations over a broken system to the point that prospective Marines start to take heed and make better, more informed decisions? Maybe “some of the leadership” of that oh so perfect system will start to make some real changes that don’t include fashion Fridays. Maybe said “leaders” will come to understand that the lower enlisted don’t just complain because they have nothing better to do.

            Nah, fuck it. Let’s all just re-enlist and try to make it to that next rank. That way, when we all become sergeants major, we can tell that lieutenant with his fancy shmancy college degree to shut his boot ass up. Immediately afterwords of course, we’ll be standing six and centered in front of some colonel getting our daily prostate exam, but at least we changed the world right?

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S_The_Mod

            “It’s not the corps, its the people” . Dude. The corps IS people. Without people, it’s nothing. If it’s the people, its the corps.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Nice try, but I’m afraid you’re barking up the wrong tree.

          My credentials (in brief) – 4 years, Combat Engineer, OEF Deployment in 2010, Rifle Expert, Pistol Sharpshooter, I was a Corporal at the time of my Honorable Discharge.

          I know plenty about the marines.

          You may call it “weeding out the weak” if you like, I’ll continue to refer to it as “Helping those who realize they can do more with their lives than be a slave to corporate interests.”

          • tokada

            Deployed in 2010. Give me a break, that’s it. If you were just a corporal in 4 years then that really means that the Corps weeded out the weak. I bet you even have a motto tat with that too.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Ah, I see. Let’s see, the fact that you complain about my being “just a corporal” after 4 years tells me that you were probably never in the marine corps because you’re obviously unaware of the workings of the marine corps’ promotion system.

            I’m sure you’ve been through over 10,000 firefights in Call of Duty, so my deployment likely seems insignificant to a battle-hardened warrior like yourself.

            Lastly, you don’t even know how to spell “moto”; clearly you’re nothing but a troll with nothing to say. Not that it’s any of your business, but I’m proud to report that I don’t have a moto tat.

            Go troll elsewhere little boy.

    • FailedToAdapt

      I’m a quitter. Shout it on the mountaintops.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S_The_Mod

        You can refer to it as a survivor if you like. Seems like another good way of putting it.

      • Whatwhome

        It’s one thing to serve your time and then voice the negatives. It’s another to ‘serve’ for a few weeks in a training environment and then complain about things you don’t understand or just read about. I need to call ruckus and make sure you get a grandslam.

  • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S_The_Mod

    I did a quick search of the term “ihatetheusmc” in the public posts section of facebook and came across this. https://www.facebook.com/search/results.php?q=ihatetheusmc.com&type=eposts

    Seems a D.I. has come across this page and is warning other D.I.s not to do anything illegal because we are teaching people how to protect themselves. My day could not have ended better.

    • Ben Preston

      It’s Wagner!

  • Gary69

    I find this very interesting. I was sent home with a medical discharge… I was dropped from my company and spent time in MRP before going to RSP at MCRD SD. After the commander in medical didn’t believe I sustained the injuries during recruit training, he put a big FIT FOR ELS on my paperwork and the rest was history. I ended up getting a fraudulent enlistment but that hasn’t affected me in the job world like people may think, Funny someone else said they were told they could join again, I was told the same thing,,, they all play the same game.

  • kenney

    Hey, recently dropped recruit, here’s my story. My platoon comes back from the px, were all in formation heading back to the squad bay. The Di leading us yells “get in the house!” As were heading in, the recruit in front of me’s bag breaks. I’m told to pick everything up, and so I drop my rifle and pc bag on the grind to pick everything up. I was never told to not drop my rifle, but how do I pick everything up when my hands are full? Anyways, the Di kicks my pc bag and in the process my arm gets kicked so I yell out in pain. I get sandwhiched by my DI s saying “you got an attitude problem??? This ones got an attitude problem!” Blah blah. They IT me 10 minutes later cause they got mad that our platoon was doing shitty when drilling. 4 of us head to the quarterdeck. 20 minutes later, my arm gives out, I can’t IT any longer so I stand up and say I quit. Boy they didn’t like that, so they brough the squad leaders and guide over to IT in front of me. They brough every SDI out and yelled quitter you’re quitting while men out there are dying. Little did they know I couldn’t even move my arm above my head because I was kicked. Anyways my SDI finally makes everyone stop and asks me what the problem is. I told him this place sucks, I can’t do this, I want to go home. That didn’t work out too well. He tried to make me feel better, but in the end I was still standing on line, after I said I quit. You can’t just say I quit. If you really want to go home have to do something very out there, like try to leave base, make your platoon look shitty, etc. Even then they might recycle you. When the government shut down occurred I knew I had to get out, it was getting to much. I threatened to have suicidal thoughts just to get out. They sent me to a psych ward for 3 days then I was sent to RSP. So many guys were there for suicidal thoughts, drug charges, bringing injuries up from before joining, etc. It’s not easy to get out, and you will remember it for the rest of your life. Just know that its ok, not everyone can make it, or wants to, I know everyone has their own circumstances but in the end its ok. Keep your head up, and do something with the 4 years you’ve just earned back. And as a bonus, tell everyone to seriously think before they sign a contract. Hahaha.

    • Oorah Kill Babies

      Its bullshit how the ‘elite’ Marines want to keep recruits that want to quit. Nothing against you at all. I’m just pissed at the system. The system that coddles the weak, the unwilling and incompetent. If you ever held a leadership billet, been an NCO or Officer, you know it sucks.

      • kenney

        I’m not weak or incompetent, but certainly unwilling. A quick observation would show that in fact those that stand up and say I quit to their DI has much more confidence than a recruit that wants to quit, and says nothing at all. I think that there needs to be a way to recognize the difference between the two, so that you instead gain committed recruits/military men, instead of shit attitude having marines marines. It’s irony at its best, really.

    • Edward C.

      Is this one of the former recruits from 2106??

  • Ano55

    Like to thank everyone on here. Well I left to MCRDSD back in august. Long story short was discharged in bootcamp. Realized all the lies and bullshit and I didn’t want to be a robot for someone who doesn’t give a shit about me for the next 4 years. I felt like shit after I got out but thank god I did heading back to school and it feels good. So much more out there than being a Marine. Thank you all for helping me with everything after I got out. Love and peace for you all.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S_The_Mod

      I always have an amazing day after I read these. Thank YOU for that, and best of luck with the great adventure of life ahead of you!

      • Ano55

        No thank you. You’re doing a great service showing kids the real Marines. I’m blessed getting the opportunity on a new lease on life. The only real pussies out there are the ones who can’t admit they made a mistake in joining.

    • FailedToAdapt

      Glad to hear it dude! Do anyone thinking about joining a favor and tell the the truth about joining the Corps. Hope you have a good one.

      • Ano55

        I already have done someone the favor of giving them the inside scoop of lies I was lead to believe actually stopped my good friend from joining and felt so good having his grandma hugging me crying telling me thank you. Freedom is an awesome feeling most people take for granted I don’t how people could take being controlled and have people who don’t give a flying shit about telling you to be motivated being in a shithole named the Marines for 4 years

        • FailedToAdapt

          Yes, I agree. Its ironic the supposed “defenders of freedom” have the least rights. I am glad you stopped him/her from joining. You have done them and the American people a great favor. As an American society, we need to stop the military-industrial complex and the lies that perpetuate war. It is killing our security. War is a Racket: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4377.htm

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Like the other’s have said: congrats! It’s always nice to hear that our site is actually helping people. Honestly it makes the whole thing worthwhile.

      Safety and Peace

      • Ano55

        Thank you ninja punch me and my girl both thank you. She went on this side a lot while I was gone and she mentioned you in a letter she sent me while i was in boot. This site helped me and her a lot while I was in and after I left feels great knowing I’m not the only one who thinks the Marines is a big fucked up business

    • USMCFormer

      As a former mustang Officer who has followed these forums and believe that hearing the negative will reveal how an organization can improve, I will temper my personal opinion to the statement that YOU failed to honor a commitment you made, and quite honestly you did not do a sufficient amount of research into the organization you were joining ( most young men don’t), and you did not know yourself well enough to avoid even joining altogether!

      I am not passing judgement, because now it is up to you to accomplish your own goals in civilian life. But being a 40+ mature adult who has worked both in the USMC and civilian corporations, I can say that civilian life is far from easy, and some companies you may end up working for will not give much of a “shit” about you either!! Being in the real world when the financial crisis hit in 2008-2009 I saw plenty of hardworking people be given half and hour to clear out their desks, despite long and faithful service to their company ( no this didn’t happen to me, but I quit one company because I knew they were struggling).

      So if the Marine Corps wasn’t for you I can respect that, since back in the 1990s as enlisted I saw one good individual do what he had to do to get out because his units fucked him consistently, and he wanted to get out and own his own gym. But if take a quitters mentality with you to the next stage of your life goals you will obviously not be successful.

      Lastly, in this whole forum I read stories that I have heard and seen before, but also read about things that trouble me in the fact that they would have been rare events in the Corps I KNEW from 1992- 2006, The FEW and the Proud should be restored to exactly that- and that means getting rid of the people who are just going to be nothing but deadweight.

      • Guest

        blah blah blahhhh

      • John

        I think you bring an important perspective to the discussion. I was in the Marine Corps (1984-1988). I tried to drop out of Boot Camp, but I soon realized the futility of the attempt and resigned myself to making it through Boot Camp. However, I was a regular “run drop” during PT. I then developed a stress fracture in my right knee that kept me on light duty for the rest of Recruit Training. I graduated with my Platoon (still not sure why they let me graduate) and went on to complete my enlistment. While I honored the terms of my contract and was honorably discharged, I was not a very good Marine. I am just not an endurance runner, and so I constantly failed the PFT.

        Why do I say all this? Because, as you said, the Corps should be “getting rid of the people who are just going to be nothing but deadweight.” And the place to do that is in Boot Camp.It should have been clear to the DIs that I was not Marine material. Hell, it should have been clear to my recruiter. Now I am a college professor. I found my calling. It was not in the Marine Corps.

  • anno

    Recruiters need to start telling people the truth before they join. Stop looking at people as a number. If they did that, they’d gain more people simply because the truth would be out there and they wouldn’t be scared. AND everyone would know the problems and work towards fixing them. Tell your recruiters to stop hiding things about a core they should be proud of.

  • Blackstar5

    I have three points to make: First, anyone reading this who wants to join the military, any military, needs to make sure they are passionate about the military. If it hasn’t been your dream forever, don’t do it. Second, do not listen to those veterans on here who want to tell you that you are not a man because you failed to honor your agreement. That’s a load of brainwashing crap. We are all individuals. That’s not going to matter to you in a few years. Finally, my story. I joined the Navy in 1984. I hated school, and wanted to get married, figuring the military might be my best option. As soon as I arrived for bootcamp, I knew instantly that I made a mistake. I was not the kind of kid who could handle the screaming, cursing, constant scattered actions, and a little forethought by my parents might have saved my mistake but in reality, they were ready for me to leave since I was the last child. On the third morning of training, we were advised that we could ask to leave. My mind said do it. But I was to embarrassed and afraid. I remained. I had bad shoes, extreme blisters, developed a very serious flu, and passed out in chow hall. Mostly, I was just not taking care of myself. Once I got to the hospital, I realized that my best option was to keep milking the illness. I remember listening to a train passing at night and wishing so much that I was on that train. I was just miserable and far more disappointed that I had joined than about leaving. It took me a few weeks to finally get the pass to discharge. My discharge was entry-level and my DD214 showed no time. When I got home, I was still really sick. And I will say that I was not welcomed home with excitement from anyone. That made me feel bad. But when my girlfriend and her parents seemed disappointed in me, I felt terrible. For a while, I felt that I had failed miserably. But when I recalled that night, hearing that train, I remembered the pain and hate of that life. The girl and I broke up some time later. Eventually, I decided to go back to school. Now, I am a neurobiologist PhD. I have saved lives and made people capable of living better lives due to my training in school. The navy was 29 years ago and trust me, I haven’t felt less of a man since those first few months home and that was because of how my family and friends treated me. I’ll tell you, seriously, when I am most stressed in life, the nightmares that come are that I am back in bootcamp, trying to get out again. Nowadays, I mention to people about my navy time and they say, “Are you shitting me? Thank God you were smart enough to get out of there.” If you are a kid in now, hang in there and be thankful for this site. If you are thinking of going in, think hard before jumping in. And to those who have served, thank you for your service and please remember that we all have different paths. Besides, unless you retired a marine (or other), you too quit.

    • Guest

      Wow, that really hit home. I have a similar story. I was sick basically my entire boot camp experience in the Marine Corps, which is a big reason I wanted out. I remember hearing the planes every day and wanting to go home. I was also in a hospital for a bit from illness and wanted so bad to go home. I was told I could never follow my dreams of becoming a police officer and to some degree it’s true. I have a fantastic resume and schooling, but for some police agencies it’s an instant DQ. I have made it very far and I just need a few more years to let it all settle. I know I will be a police officer still, despite what the Company Commander tried to tell me when I refused to train.

      I was blessed to have understanding parents. None of my family wanted me to enlist. My grandpa especially had a horrible experience with the military. I was supported well when I came back and I am doubly thankful now. Very sorry to hear you had no support system at all after that. Nothing like being talked down to for a long time and being completely broken only to have nothing to come back to.

      I still have nightmares too. I dream that I decided to go back for a second time (crosses my mind some times but won’t happen) and that there’s no way I could get out easy a second time.

      Great post for the poor souls who quit a job they didn’t like and get way too much BS about it. Like no one has had a job they hated and then quit. Same damn thing.

  • niner12

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    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Were you having some sort of problem posting a comment here? All I’m seeing from you is “???” so I can’t really answer anything.

  • Mynameisthis

    I do have a quick question. I did leave bootcamp because I claimed to have suicidal thoughts. And I destroyed all the paperwork that I came home with (because seeing it there would just keep reminding me that I was ever there in the first place.) I cant see what it says for my discharge now. For some reason, I believe I heard I was on a Medical COG discharge after I went through all their psychological test and stuff. If this is the discharge I left on, will this affect anything I really do in the civilian world or not? I always remember the D.I. assigned to watch the R.S.P was saying that it would but I want to see if it does.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      No it won’t affect anything in the civilian world, except that it might make it harder for you to try to enlist again, or get a job with the federal government. Your discharge was still a type of Entry Level Separation, so as far as the civilian world is concerned, you were never there.

      Safety and Peace

  • Tom

    Things sure have changed from when I was in boot camp in the 80′s. Back then the only way to get out was injury, going awol, or psych discharge. I witnessed a recruit tell the DI that he was suicidal and couldn’t go on with boot camp, and the DI gave the recruit a rifle and dummy cartridge (which none of us except for the DI knew was a dummy) and told the recruit “if you’re suicidal, pull the goddamn trigger!” The recruit loaded the rifle and held it to his mouth and started shaking and crying. Finally after a minute or two the DI grabbed the rifle, pointed it in the air and pulled the trigger. It just clicked of course then we all realized it was a fake cartridge. But I will never forget that moment. That recruit did end up getting discharged.