How To Get Out Of Boot Camp (And MCT/SOI)

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Here at iHateTheUSMC.com, we’ve fairly commonly had the parents, spouses, girlfriends/boyfriends, etc. of a Recruit that is currently in Boot Camp come on the site asking something to the effect of: “My [Family Member/Significant Other] went to boot camp, but something happened and now he or she really just wants out. Is there anything he or she can do to get out of boot camp and the marine corps and come home?” My answer to the Recruits who want out of the marine corps is “Yes. You most likely still qualify for an Entry-Level Separation.” That being said, getting an Entry-Level Separation isn’t quite as easy or convenient as it would’ve been if you had decided to withdraw from the Delayed Entry Program (DEP) instead.

[NOTE: The advice given in this article is geared specifically to marine corps recruits. Please note that – while marines in MCT/SOI may still be in Entry Level Status – there is no provision that guarantees an Entry Level Separation for marines in MCT/SOI. That being said, the worst type of discharge that could be received for refusal to train would be an Other Than Honorable (OTH) Discharge. An OTH will have virtually no impact on your civilian life, except that an OTH may make it more difficult for you to get a job with the federal government.]

First of all, before we get too deep into discussion, it’s important to determine whether or not you actually qualify for an Entry-Level Separation. Paragraph 6002, Section 7, of the Marine Corps Separations Manual  lays out the qualifications for “Entry-Level Status” in the Marine Corps as follows:

  • For Active Duty, “a member qualifies for entry-level status during the first 180 days of continuous active military service”. This means that, from the day a recruit arrives at boot camp, he or she is in “Entry-Level Status” for the next 180 days.
  • For Reservists, entry-level status is slightly more complicated, but in general it terminates after being called to Active Duty “for one continuous period of 180 days or more”.

If you’ve been in for longer than 180 days, unfortunately you no longer qualify for Entry-Level Separation. At this point the best advice I can give is to tell you to try to make it through your enlistment as best you can, come visit the Anonymous Discussion page at iHateTheUSMC.com whenever you need to vent, never be afraid to contact mental health if need be, and claim every benefit you deserve when you finally do get out.

Now then, if you have NOT yet been in for 180 days, then you still have hope for an Entry-Level Separation. Paragraph 6205 (Pages 187 – 188) of the Separations Manual states that “A member may be separated while in an entry level status, if the member is unqualified for further service by reason of entry level performance and/or conduct, as evidenced by incapability, lack of reasonable effort, failure to adapt to the Marine Corps environment, or minor disciplinary infractions.” The order goes on to state that “all personnel administratively separated from recruit training will be processed under this reason except in those limited cases where processing under a more serious basis is appropriate and where discharge characterization under other than honorable conditions is warranted.” This effectively means that, if you’re separated from boot camp, you will receive an Entry-Level Separation, so long as you don’t do anything that causes significant injury to another person (i.e. start a fist-fight with another Recruit in an effort to get kicked out).

Note: A fuller list of situations that warrant an “Other Than Honorable” (OTH) Discharge can be found on Page 25 of the Separations Manual. However, it’s important to note that almost NONE of the listed situations could possibly apply to a Recruit.

 

Alright, now that we’ve gotten past all of the paperwork, it’s time to get to the real question: How does this affect me? How do I use this to get out of Boot Camp?

Quite contrary to what you and every recruit since the dawn of boot camp has been told, You Can Quit. It’s not quite as easy as quitting the DEP, and it requires some commitment, but if you’re serious about getting out of boot camp and the Marine Corps, a few days of hardship should be worth getting 4 years of your life back. The following is a very basic outline of how to go about quitting. Bear in mind that individual experiences may vary, and you may need to adapt your approach to meet your current situation.

Step 1: Get in the proper mindset. Odds are you’ve spent the past few weeks referring to yourself as “This Recruit”, doing anything and everything that you’re told out of fear of being screamed at, being taken for “Incentive Training” (I.T.) or (the ultimate Drill Instructor threat) being “dropped” or “recycled” to a different recruit company to repeat some aspect of training. The first thing you need to do is get out of that mindset.

  1. Remember that these Drill Instructors (D.I.s) are just people, just like you. They’re not anything special. Look them in the eye when you speak to them, refer to yourself in the first person, and don’t call them “sir/ma’am” or acknowledge their rank in any way. These things will take away your D.I.s sense of control over you.
  2. When your D.I.s start yelling and screaming, take a moment to realize just how stupid they look. Odds are, they look like a complete idiot and – in the correct mindset – you may find it very hard not to laugh at your D.I.s.
  3. Realize that you don’t need to be worried about I.T. If you don’t want to be taken for I.T. all you have to do is not go. If your D.I. says “get on the Quarterdeck!” All you have to do is smile and say is “No, I don’t really feel like it right now, but thank you for the offer.” What are they gonna do? Scream? Threaten you with I.T.? If you’re in the correct mindset, all of their threats are completely empty.
  4. Sure you might get dropped back in training (It’s actually very unlikely, but it’s still possible) but really, if you’re in a mindset where you’ve rendered all of the D.I.s threats to be completely harmless, what can they do? About the only thing they can really do is drop you into the Recruit Separation Platoon (RSP), which is where you want to be anyway.

Step 2: When you have made up your mind, and you’ve reached the mindset where the D.I.s have nothing to threaten you with, take a seat on your footlocker, put your feet up, and relax. Of course your D.I.s won’t take kindly to this, they’ll likely start out by screaming, just look them in the eye, and smile. If their screaming becomes annoying, you may choose to taunt them, saying something like “Come on! Is that all the louder you can scream? My Grandmother yells louder than that!” Taunts of this nature should be used in moderation, but when used skillfully, they will not only show the D.I.s that their screams are ineffective, but will also put you in a position of control as the D.I.s have to decide to either stop screaming or to give in to your taunts and scream louder on your command. Either way, you win.

From here, your D.I.s will likely try to figure out why you’re doing what you’re doing. They’ll still be shouting, but they’ll ask “What are you doing?” or some similar question. Simply tell them “I quit. I don’t want to be a marine anymore, so I quit”. They’ll tell you “You can’t quit! You signed the contract… etc. etc.” respond “Too bad, I already quit.” Stand your ground, don’t let them intimidate you with their empty threats, and you will eventually win.

Note: It is possible that your D.I.s may try to punish other Recruits in an attempt to break you. They may start to I.T. a group of Recruits and tell them that the I.T. session will not end until you join in. This approach is particularly useful to D.I.s because it allows them to make you feel responsible for the suffering of other Recruits who didn’t do anything to deserve punishment. Your D.I.s will almost definitely allow the other Recruits to yell at you, pleading with you to join in the I.T. session so that it will stop. Continue to resist. Remind the Recruits that you’re not forcing them to do anything, and that if they want the session to stop, all they have to do is get up and leave. If you can successfully resist this tactic, it will work to your advantage in a couple of ways:

  1. It will reinforce to your D.I.s that you are determined to not continue with boot camp, and they cannot break you.
  2. The MCRD San Diego I.T. Card specifically states that “IT will never be assigned to a unit as a result of one recruit’s actions”, and the MCRD Parris Island I.T. Card states that “S.D.I.s may IT the whole platoon only as a response to the deficiencies of the platoon as a whole.” Thus,  by assigning I.T. to a group as a result of your actions, your D.I.s are in violation of a direct order and you will be able to use this as ammunition against them when your D.I.s send you to talk to your Company or Series Commander.

Step 3: After a day or two of continuous resistance, your D.I.s will most likely send you to speak to either your Company or Series Commander. It’s important that you keep up your mindset, don’t stand at attention, don’t salute, don’t address the Commander as sir or ma’am. That being said, if your Commander speaks to you in a courteous, respectful manner, then speak to your Commander with similar courtesy. Your Commander will probably ask you why you’re behaving as you are, why you don’t want to be a marine anymore, and may even offer to make some changes if you will resume training. Decline his or her offers, and continue to resist. Within a few days after this meeting you will most likely be dropped to Recruit Separations Platoon (RSP).

Once you’ve made it to RSP you can afford to relax a little bit. At this point you know you’re being processed for discharge, so you can afford to act like a “good recruit” and say your “yes sirs” etc. just to make your life a little bit easier. You can expect to spend at least 2 weeks in RSP, and possibly quite a bit longer, but once you get out you will be out of the marine corps for good, so the few weeks of RSP should be well worth it.

 

If you wish to verify this answer for yourself, the relevant information regarding Entry-Level Separation can be found on pages 172, 187, and 188 of Marine Corps Order (MCO) P1900.16F.

Additional information on Entry-Level Separation from the marine corps can be found at the “GI Rights Hotline” Website.

Safety and Peace

NINJA_PUNCH

  • Joer Asswwq

    I went through bootcamp in 09 I unfortunately didnt end up graduating with my platoon due to an injury during boot(but did graduate with another platoon). In my experience in boot threre were people who really shouldn’t have graduated bootcamp, as in not Marine Corps materiel, and there were people who should’ve graduated.

  • reallynow

    An OTH doesn’t do shit to you, and the civilian world is so much better without the corpse. Believe me when I say that a lot of us were once in your position and now live happier more peaceful lives as a result of leaving this turgid wasteful standing ARMY. Do not let your command mess with you, if you want out, you will get out, you deserve it. You are human after all.

  • recruit_girlfriend

    I’ve got a question for you all. My boyfriend is currently in bootcamp and is wanting out. He was in MRP for a few weeks for injuring himself pulling a muscle in his back the second day in training and just got out into a new platoon. When he first wrote me, he said he made a big mistake and was wanting to come home. I kept writing him and encouraging him because he has been preparing for this for years, since he was younger. He found motivation back and was happy to get back to training. Out of the blue, his recruiter calls me and tells me he is wanting to quit. Later, his grandpa calls me and he had a discussion with him and he was very presistant on wanting out. His last words to him was “This recruit is done sir.”. We haven’t yet figured out why he wanted to quit all of a sudden when he liked his DIs and we had family plans, marriage, etc. after his bootcamp he was so excited about. He said he was staying in no matter what for me and his future. Now, if he is waiting to get sent home and changes his mind to train, is their any way possible he could get back in? Or is he done for good?

    • VssVintorez

      Depends. They’ll most likely try to convince him to continue, and if he decides to he most likely will. It just depends on how far he has gone into the getting out process, but once he is out, he most likely will not be able to go back. If he is still in and just waiting to heal/make a decision, then he will most likely be dropped into a different training platoon.

      • recruit_girlfriend

        Thank you. He just got out of MRP which he got dropped into from his original platoon. He got picked back up from a different company and platoon a few days ago. Yesterday we got the phone call that he wanted to quit. If he gets our letters in about 3 or 4 days and decides to stay then, could he? Or is that too late?

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          That depends. Boot Camp is notoriously difficult to quit. If the command can find a way to force someone through, they’ll do it. So I’d say the odds are pretty good that he’d be able to stay in boot camp if he change his mind.

          I guess my only question for you is, if he wants to quit, and has already injured himself, why would you write a letter trying to convince him to stay? I think if I were in his situation, I’d want to know that there’s somebody who’s going to have my back.

          • VssVintorez

            True. If he wants to quit now, it doesn’t get any better. Sure, the entire environment changes, but I was actually motivated throughout bootcamp, it was at SOI that I finally realized how moronic the Corps was. It is better to get out without repercussions now than to wait.

          • recruit_girlfriend

            He pulled a muscle in his back, but it wasn’t very major. He healed up quickly and kept writing me how he was excited to stay in and continue to train. He said he verbally fought with the doctor when they wouldn’t release him because he wanted to go back into training. It’s just floored me because he was so pumped up and excited then a couple days later it was like bam, he wants out. I wrote him and asked him to make sure that’s what he wants, I support his decision either way. The Marine branch may not be the right one for him. Sometimes he is easily persuaded so I didn’t know if someone else said something to him that made him change his mind. I just reminded him to think for himself and be sure in his decisions.

          • recruit_girlfriend

            By the way, thanks for your input guys! It helps a lot!

  • ProudMarine

    WTF? This page is a dishonor to every Marine that sucked it up and earned the title. Giving up is for pussies and fags. I can only imagine the amount of dicks the webmaster must suck on a daily basis. If your son, daughter, husband, or boyfriend is in boot, encourage them to earn the title of Marine.

    • FailedToAdapt

      What is your authority to speak for every marine? Have you personally polled every marine his/her view?

      If you did, congratulations to you! That is staggering work requiring a lot of manpower and other resources.

      Also, no need to invoke the term “fags”. Many gays have done their duty “openly” or silently to fulfill their obligation. Gays are just as capable as you. Their sexual preference is irrelevant to their abilities.

      ” If your son, daughter, husband, or boyfriend is in boot, encourage them to stand up for themselves”

      ^ Fixed that for you. Self-respect requires that a person does not others mistreat them. Self-respect is required for strong individuals. Seems a lot of marines find it noble to allow others abuse them in the name of “not being a bitch”. It’s funny because on the outside many find the zealous marine subservience to the epitome of “being a bitch”. Of course, I don’t speak for everyone.

      With that said ProudMarine, have a fine day.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Oh please. The “title” of “marine” isn’t earned, it’s given. You can sluff off and put out about 10% all through boot camp, you can fail every requirement twice, and just barely pass the third time, and still graduate.

      The guy who was one bunk to my right did that all through boot camp. He hoped that if just sluffed off enough, they would separate him, and told me as much. The D.I.s ordered him to sickbay to get put on light duty so he couldn’t do Initial or Final drill, they falsified his MCMAP scorecard to make him pass… the D.I.s literally went out of their way (I dare say, above and beyond the call of duty) to make him graduate. About the only thing that he did by himself was run a PFT. He was by far, the fastest one in the company. While most of us were still running to the halfway point, we’d see him running back, smiling, snapping his fingers, and doing a little dance while running. He did that specifically to piss off the D.I.s because he knew that they couldn’t catch him. This same guy did the same thing at MCT. He graduated from there too.

      Bearing all of this in mind, how can you say that you have to “earn the title” when no amount of sluffing off is sufficient for them to deny it to you? When standing up, putting your foot down, and actively deciding to stop, is harder than graduating, the only logical conclusion is that the “title” is given out like candy.

      By the way, just so you know, this page is owned, operated, and primarily used, by current and former marines, many of whom have been on at least one combat deployment. We’ll decide if this page is a dishonor to us or not, thank you.

      Safety and Peace

      • madmike

        I had a guy in my plt at Parris Island hang himself in the bath room. He was completely unconscious when the fire watch found him and the only thing that saved his life was the junior D.I. doing CPR on him. And that recruit still graduated. So even unsuccessfully trying to kill yourself isn’t enough to make you fail. He “earned” the title Marine with me and the rest of my fellow recruits…including the 2 drug dealers from Boston who later got arrested for murder while stationed in Subic Bay.

    • madmike

      Almost everyone here did not give up. I did the 4 years as a grunt and got out with a honorable. But just because we did it does not mean we liked it. P.S. Taking it like a Marine in the corps means taking it like a bitch everywhere else on the planet.

  • armyHeliMech

    I have a brother who is at his unit but now wants out. Is there options available for him?

    • Master LCpl

      If he has been in for less than 180 days he could possibly get an Entry Level Separation. Read the above post for more info.

  • ha

    Lil bitches that can’t make the cut. Why the fuck did you enlist in the first place if you were going to quit? I bet your an “upstanding” citizen rofl. Losers.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      A shining example or how marines treat others. Brave my ass.

      • Master LCpl

        Probably some motard SNCO.

        • ohreally

          Is there even a need to qualify that statement with “probably”?

          • Master LCpl

            Your right. I stand corrected. A motard SNCO that got his feelings hurt because we dare to say things about HIS beloved corps.

          • ohreally

            Fuck calling it his beloved corpse. It’s his glorious Department of the Navy. Not even a branch for Christ’s sakes.

  • Nadia

    My boyfriend had a black out and he was sent to pysch ward from friday and was discharged from the hospital unit tuesday…He said he probably will be coming home..but will have to go to base first. and at the hospital they said 99.9 percent time they say anyone referred there for a evaluation needs to be discharged..well anyways Now im at thursday and he wont be able to call again..so im confused..am i supposed to wait for something to happen..is there a way i can find out where he is now and what is going to happen?

  • Nadia

    Does being admitted to pysch ward during boot camp automatically mean you will be discharged? or is there a chance you will be back to your platoon..eh. i know he wants to come home i just dont know how to find out

    • ohreally

      Chances are he will come home if he has medical issues, including mental ones, which unlike what the Marine Corps thinks actually exist.

      • Nadia

        marine corp sucks Thank God Im hoping he gets back asap cause i really dont want to deal with this crap and the lame bitches on the marine support groups Lmaoooo

    • RecruitMom

      My son did. He was in hospital just long enough to determine that he could come home, then in separation platoon for 2 weeks. He saw a guy with broken limbs who couldn’t leave until his medical treatment was concluded, and it was going to be a while.
      My son wonders if anyone get slammed with medical bills from MCRD?

  • Nadia

    how long were you in RSP for, this is exactly whats going on with my boyfri

    • Nadia

      Boyfriend#, he basically said he quit and fuck this and then they got mad and he said I rather fucking die then spend another day here cause he was pist ehh and they took it seriously and sent him to pysch ward frm saturday to tuesday and now im wondering where he is and whats going on!?

      • Word

        He’ll either be processed out, or they’ll try to convince him to keep going through with it. Since you’re not family, you’ll just have to wait for a response, as unhelpful as that sounds.

  • RecruitMom

    My son received a discharge from MCRD. He had to go through separation platoon for 2 weeks first, then was sent home. Since coming home he received first a small paycheck and later an even smaller paycheck for his time at MCRD. His pay stub looks like he should have received another third paycheck for twice the amount of the first of the paychecks, but today he received a letter from the Marine Corps that he had to reimburse an overpayment (half the paycheck). Now he is worried that they will send another bill for him to return the money that they never paid him. That amount shows on his pay stub, but he hasn’t seen it. He wants to attend trade school. Is this a common thing? That they send you a bill after you get home for “overpayment”?

    • ohreally

      It can happen sometimes because of clerical errors, some admin Marine somewhere probably gave your son too much money and now the Marine Corps wants it back, even if he spent it already…… But don’t worry trillions can still be spent on the osprey, the f-22, the f-35, and abrams tanks.

  • 2XUSMC

    I find it ironic that there are so many people on here that have such animosity towards the Corps. It is hard when you get injured during recruit training to return to training and be successful. Sometimes it depends on the drive that the recruit has to finish, and the motovation they are able to maintain during their time at MRP. There is no shame in quitting, if its not for you its not for you. It depends on the person, if quitting and not returning to training, refusing to train while in recuit training, or just opting out is something you can live with then do what you want. There are some aspects of the Corps that suck, but there are also some aspects in everything you do that sucks. Show me a person that has 100% job satisfaction, it doesn’t exist. The problem with Marines that were recruited betewen 2002-2011 is that the Marines opened up there standards to previously ineligible recruits. This caused a lot of people to become Marines like the so claimed people on this site, that previously wouldn’t have done it. They former Marines that complain about the Marine Corps should never have become Marines. They made a mistake, and now they look at their time spent in the Corps as a mistake. Well, suck it up, you served your time and now move on and quit your bitching…

    • madmike1968

      What’s wrong with trying to make the service a better place? Why can’t we call a spade a spade and make a military that performs as advertised? if everyone was like you problems wouldn’t get fixed, improvements would never be made and we’d still be carrying bolt action rifles.

      • 2XUSMC

        We are making it a better place…instead of having over 200,000 Marines, we are cutting it to 183,000. This will weed out those that snuck in when the USMC expanded their standards or those that can’t compete in the current standards. I agree it should be a better place, and the Marine Corps has evolved since my first enlistment in 97, but I wouldn’t say for the better.

        • JoeB

          As a taxpayer that’s 100% fine with me ( shame the cuts aren’t deeper)- I’m just wondering though does that include all the females that can’t do more than 3 pull ups, or will such groups be untouchable because the Suck wants to be gender diverse, culturally sensitive and maintain racial quotas? I got no problem watching females get slaughtered on a future battlefield!

          • 2XUSMC

            The female pullup standard when it is implemented which starts this year for certain combat jobs that were just opened to females is 2. The reason that they haven’t implemented female pullups yet is because they haven’t established a method of how to tie that physical training into their recruit training regimen.

          • Don’t support dumb laws

            The MCO was supposed to be policy in Feb. 2014 but 46% of females recruits can’t even meet the minimum 3 pull ups. There was talk of the order about 2 yrs prior.

            There are fucking pull up bars in both recruiting depots. The flex arm hang is so easy- as long as you have working arms you can get 90-100% easily. If you don’t have a pull up bar, do push ups. If there are lack of pull up bars, do push ups. I did push ups for a year and still got 19-20 pull ups and I touched the pull up bar only twice. The chief reason was to maintain the female quota-this came from HQMC.

            You cannot tell me a depot filled with drill instructors, martial arts instructors and instructor trainers advise HQMC against this MCO order because it has not been established how making females do the pull ups is gonna through off the recruit training regimen. They added the CFT with no issues.

          • ohreally

            “they haven’t established a method of how to tie that physical training into their recruit training regimen.”

            *AHEM*
            Oh I don’t know, making them do pullups? Or negative pullups and pushups if they can’t do a pullup?

        • Don’t support dumb laws

          Not really. Hazing was less common but it’s still the same stuff. They get rid of the good Marines and continue the cycle of high turnover rates. And women are still allowed to have lower physical standards despite the order to make them do pull ups. Why? 46% of female recruits couldn’t meet the 3 pull up standard and the Corps thought this order is detrimental. Also 1997 was when females were finally required to attend MCT.

          • ohreally

            “Also 1997 was when females were finally required to attend MCT.”

            You know what? When I first read that I ****ing laughed out loud in amazement. I really could not believe what you typed out on the screen. But then I looked it up for myself, and yup, before 1997 female Marines would just go straight to their MOS schools after recruit training. ****ing **** is the Marine Corpse stupid. Did the chain of command have to wait until females started *dying* in the War on Terror to get them training for *combat*? What the hell? Are these idiots in our leadership supposed to keep us alive or something? What the ****ing **** man, what the ****? I really am flabbergasted, I really am.

          • Don’t support dumb laws

            I used to work at a veterans service office as a clerk. I talk to different era Marine veterans from Vietnam, onwards. You learn about different stuff they experienced. I spoke to a Marine who served in the 1990’s through 2000’s. It just happens that he works in ITB as an instructor and knows about SOI’s training requirements then. Also any Marine who served before 1997 would know this too. I have no idea why they did this. Probably because they didn’t think females needed to know more advanced skills because they were banned from direct combat anyways.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          WE are making it a better place. Instead of sugar coating the corps, we point out the problems it has so those who want to join can make more informed decisions, and those who join/stay in anyways have a chance to contribute to it’s future. It’s the people from my time in (2006-2010), the “why generation”, that are making a difference. Those who stay in can do what they can to unfuck the shit leadership from before, and people like me, who got out and have the balls to build a website like this, spread the truth to those on the outside by the millions.

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        • ohreally

          Hey, how about we have zero Marines and then that way this country can only have ONE Army instead of the two it has now? Then after that we could get to work on the two navys we have (Coast Guard and Navy) and the three Air Forces we have as well ( Air Force, Navy, Marines). Wait, I take that back, once we get rid of the Maween Bureaucracy we would only have two air forces, but still have two departments of defense (DOD and DHS). And don’t get me started on the Ospyrey, the F-22, F-35, and the littoral ship…….

    • Joe B

      Oh Shut the Fuck Up you moron! It obvious that you are too stupid to actually read the extensive content on this site, and see that the majority of the contributors were good Marines who excelled in all the metrics that defines an above average Marine, but just got fed up with the maltreatment, inefficient bureaucracy, and sheer stupidity that comes with an enlistment contract!!
      Please give us solid proof that a recruit that joined in 2004 was subject to lesser standards than one who joined in say 1998? And why is it that the Marines will not allow a recruit to quit so easily if they make the intelligent and rational decision that they don’t want to waste the next 3 1/2 years of their lives being an indentured slave? If the USMC were truly an elite organization it would allow an expeditious and efficient out-processing just like any business would. But no- it needs the low paid slaves in order to operate!!
      And Fuck You! This site has existed for awhile and is not going away, and had it existed when I was considering joining it would have changed my mind pretty quickly! There are far better things that young men can pursue in life that be a Marine- at the very least we can deny the USMC some potential quality recruits because they are better informed! Only the idiots will join and only the idiots end up re enlisting!
      So ‘suck it up’ motard!

      • 2XUSMC

        First of all the proof in the standards being lowered during the influx of Marines from 2002-2011 was the increase of waiver traffic at HQMC. Check out the Marine Corps Enlistment Processing Manual and you will see what type of waiver is required for certain moral offenses, education levels, and tattoo waivers. During that time the Marine Corps approved more waivers for drug use, dependents, GED, and other qualifications that prior to and since then have become almost non-existent. You guys on this site can suck it, making over 50 grand a year, plus full benefits, for working a 9-5 type job is great.
        You say wasting 3 1/2 years of your life….Did you get out and go to school? Find a job that pays more, open a business, what did you do? Or are you just wasting your life now? The problem with some Marines is that they can’t play the game, treat like a job not a lifestyle. Do what you need to do and go home. You are brought up in this liberal society thinking that you are owed something, when the government doesn’t owe you shit, neither does the Corps, so wow you have to earn it.Instead you discourage a kid who doesn’t want the Air Force because they are lazy, nor the Army cause they are fat and out of shape, or the Navy cause they don’t want to spend four years on a ship. These are all generalizations just like you are generalizing the Marine Corps…

        • Joe B

          Oh- do we have our panties in a knot? Waivers were granted in the late 90’s, but its a no brainer that if you end up starting a stupid and unnecessary war in the Middle East that you need more bodies to fight it ,then suddenly stupid, petty and superficial regulations regarding tattoos don’t become so important?

          Not that its really any of your fucking business, but after leaving the USMC I earned a college degree and have worked for civilian companies where I have made decent money, and basically not have to put up with some the ridiculous, petty and childish rules that the USMC imposes on you.

          I love this right wing ” liberal society thinking that you are owed something, when the government doesn’t owe you shit,” REALLY? then why does the government ( and the DoD) think that it rates to take a portion of my earnings in excessive taxes then spend it irresponsibly ( see unnecessary war above)? If I’m going to fork over my hard earned money to the government, then damned right it OWES ME SOMETHING! ( for one thing, I’m tired of subsidizing free health care for the military!)

          And who are you to imply that I did not work when I was in the Marine Corps? And you should actually bother to read the experiences of other people here to show that hard work does not get rewarded so well in that organization!
          And your stupid generalizations about ‘kids’ and their lack of work ethic is way off the mark, plus your detrimental implications about other branches of the Armed Forces. I would encourage young men to explore the opportunities the Air Force, Army and Navy had to offer, because at least they know how to treat their people more professionally.
          Treat it like a job and not a lifestyle? Hell- the Marine Corps discourages that line of thinking in its attempt to have 24 hour control over you!
          Anything else?

          • 2XUSMC

            Good for you, you used what you earned in the Marine Corps, unless you payed for it all by yourself and didn’t use the GI Bill … I earned my degree while still in the Corps and I am almost finished with my Masters. Health Care benefits in the military are just like any other business that offers perks to its employees. So thanks for the contribution towards my well being.
            It wasn’t only tattoo waivers that were expanded it was everything. Moral and conduct before joining the USMC and during your enlistment were no big deal. A Marine could get a DUI and still be able to reenlist… I actually agree with you that kids should check out each branch before they decide where they want to enlist, but I disagree that some services treat their people more professionally, I think its all the same bullshit that everyone complains about just a different uniform. The marine 24/7 is just a way to demonstrate that if you have to work late then you shouldn’t bitch. I think a lot of it has to do with immaturity of its members.

          • Joe B

            “I think a lot of it has to do with immaturity of its members.”
            I can use that argument for most of the senior SNCO’s and some Officers I saw, who didn’t put a lot of thought into proper allocation of manpower, work and time since they knew they could get away with being stupid!!
            There is no incentive for them to make proper use of time, money or manpower since they have a guaranteed government job!
            So what fucking point are you trying to make? People get DUI’s in civilian jobs and don’t get fired from them. And I always shook my head at the logic of training people to be killers on the battlefield, but punishing them if they weren’t sensitive or considerate enough to a certain minority group?
            So I will continue to criticize the Marine Corps at my leisure, pointing out all its stupidity and absurdity, glad to be out of its reach when it needs bodies for its next dumb war!

          • JD

            JoeB = Loser (who’s just angry at his stupid decisions and wants to vent here)

          • freeatlastfreeatlast

            JD = Bad ass who responds to a 3 month old post online with an ad hominem attack. Is that really all you have to add to the discussion JD? It’s not much, but I’ll bet it makes you feel good to write it.

          • Joe B

            JD= Loser Internet Troll bitch who I doubt is in much of a position to judge others.
            Probably just another Marine who can’t handle any criticism of his Corps. Happy to throw out insults at others but can’t take any himself.

  • fuckthemarinecorpsdon’tenlist

    I suggest getting out of boot camp while you can. You’re not missing out on anything that cool. Fuck what everybody thinks. I wished I would done the same thing and got out in boot camp. No but I decided to ride out my 4 years, do my time and got a honorable discharge. My 4 years was complete waste of time, went Iraq and Afghanistan to “help” people who don’t want you there and are trying to kill you for obvious reasons. A lot people say its honorable to serve, but I say its really a waste of time in this day and age. And I had a shitty ass fuck chain of command my whole enlistment and as many other marines did too. I was a descent motivated marine never once got in trouble. I wasn’t asking for special treatment, just to be treated like a human being. The day I got my DD214 I burned all my cammies and dress uniforms in a bonfire and left 29 Palms. These days I highly discourage anybody from joining the Marine Corps. Also know a couple fellow marines who went to the Army after their enlistment and loved it so much that they decided to make it career now.

    Before anybody decides to join the Marine Corps at least watch this video at minimum.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIlSGBQ9RSU

    • Don’t support dumb laws

      It’s really hard to get dropped from boot camp now a days. We had a shitbag of a recruit that got caught sleeping on firewatch on many occasions: from 1st to 3rd phase. He still graduated.
      In my time, retirement ceremonies are the worst. They take too long and I’d rather police call than stand in formation, lol.

  • minndful

    I need help for my son he is a recruit at san diego and tied hurting himself.they told hom he was not getting discharged what can i do?

    • Master LCpl

      Print a copy of this page & send it to him. Its not easy to quit but it can be done & will take some time and effort on his part.

    • minndful

      Thank you for your help, may god bring you blessings for helping a mother in need. They have made my son feel like a failure but i commend him for knowing his limits. He was just not a fit and tht is ok. Thank you so much for your help!

      • Master LCpl

        Not a problem. Let us know if your son needs further assistance. Reiterate to him not to do anything stupid like get physical with a DI or other recruit. Let him know that them saying things like dishonorable discharge are just to scare him. Tell him stay calm, stand your ground, & eventually they will give up and process him out.

        • Gil Smith

          MASTER LCPL? BET YOU WERE A GOD DAM DRAFT DODGING PUKE…NO SUCH RANK AS A “MASTER LCPL”..YOU MUST BE A “MASTER0BAITER”!!

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            There’s no such rank as “Master LCpl”??? Woah! I had no idea… . I bet in your mind there’s no such thing as inside jokes among lower enlisted’s either, right?

            You know that the draft doesn’t exist anymore, right? It’s kind of hard to “dodge” something that doesn’t exist. Judging by your photo, you’ve been out for a while, so I don’t want to make any unwarranted assumptions, but just so you know: The draft doesn’t exist.

            Also, just an “FYI”, there appears to be something wrong with your keyboard… either the “Shift” key is stuck, or the “Caps Lock” is on. Either way, you might want to fix that, it kind of makes you look like an idiot.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            I like your made up HTML tag.

          • Master LCpl

            OK, for Gil who seems to have changed it to Bob Comp, let’s have a little fun. I think I’ll call this LCpl first class

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            My favorite rank.

          • Master LCpl

            Or how about THE Lance Corporal of the Marine Corps.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            Too much responsibility. Anything between lance first class and lance cpl of the corps is a no go for me.

          • LilLadyLadybuh

            Go home, Bob. You’re not fit to interwebz today.

          • No Internet for Old Men

            Mr. Gil Smith, if you are going to talk shit on the internet, the least you can do is not attach your fucking facebook page to your comment profile… Fucking moron.

            https://www.facebook.com/gil.smith.1029

            Is your ONE friend Alan as stupid as you?

            https://www.facebook.com/alan.mandeville.37?fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab

            Shall I post your address?

          • No Internet for Old Men

            Here is a comment from his facebook profile

            “HERE WE GO…AGAIN! The niggers are rioting in missouri because a black piece of criminal shit got shot robbing a store! ALWAYS NIGGERS! WHEN IS THE LAST TIME A WHITE MOB RIOTED AND LOOTED? These sub-human sub- animals USE ANY REASON TO ROB AND LOOT! BLACKS(your word, not mine!) are as bad as the muslim bunch and need to be rounded up like the mad scum they are and sent back to AFRICA!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! I’M TIRED OF SEEING THE NEWS LOADED WITH BLACK CRIMINALS EVERY DAM DAY! GET RID OF THESE FILTHY SCUM! IT’S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE YOU……….ARE THEIR NEXT VICTIM!!!”

            Gil Smith is a racist piece of shit. Moving on.

          • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

            I reported his profile as racist and it looks like facebook scanned his profile and deleted it! haha

          • Knob_Gaudy

            This is the funniest shit to attack this site ever! LOL

      • Master LCpl

        I also suggest you copy & paste this page into small but readable text & print front & back because a thick envelope will make the DIs suspicious & they could try make him open it in their presence. If that happens & they see he has step by step instructions on quitting, well, you can just imagine.

    • Gil Smith

      FILTHY LITTLE MAGGOT NEEDS A GOOD ASS-KICKING, THEN SEND HIS SORRY ASS TO JOIN THE GIRL SCOUTS!

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        You do know we use your comments to our advantage and use you as an example, right?

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        I bet most the people here could paralyze you in 30 seconds.

    • Chose_Wrong_Branch

      Hi minndful, I don’t know for sure how long the process is for that, but I do know it varies from recruit to recruit bases. If he has demonstrated any suicidal thoughts or actions they will send him for a psych eval. Remember, no matter what they tell your recruit, they generally don’t want someone there who doesn’t want to be there but it doesn’t mean they won’t tell him otherwise to see if he is faking the problem. If they determine that it is genuine, the Dr. will inform the Command and the separation process will be initiated. Discharge characterization, classification and how much time he is there after sep. is started, really depend on the Command and what the Dr. recommended. I pray that you are able to find out more info and that your son be returned safely home. “People will often try to make you feel guilty in order to manipulate you into doing what they want, but If you know who YOU are and trust in yourself and know that you are doing the right thing for you then guilt won’t work. Stand strong for who you are and don’t be drawn into games that other people play!” Words for your son! Stay strong mom/dad!

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  • Gil Smith

    YOU MAGGOTS THAT WANT TO GET OUT AND RUN HOME TO “MOMMY” OR “SUZY ROTTENCROTCH” HERE IS ALL YOU GOT TO DO. WALK UP TO YOUR SENIOR “D.I”, GIVE HIM A BIG, WET, SLOPPY TONGUE KISS AND GRAB HIS CROTCH…YOU’LL BE DRUMMED OUT REAL FAST!

  • Gil Smith

    YOU ANTI MARINE CORPS COWARDS ALL NEED TO MOVE. GO ANTWHERE JUST NOT HERE IN THE STATES, TAKE YOUR PANTIE WEARING SISSY-BOY SONS WITH YOU AND NEVER COME BACK! SEMPER FI ALL YOU TRUE JARHEADS, THE REST OF YOU CAN KISS MY MARINE ASS!!!

    • Master LCpl

      Thanks for the compliment Gil. Do you feel better now that you have vented? You must be a lifer. This site is not going anywhere so deal with it. Also can you please answer a question. Don’t think too hard. If the corps is so great, why then do nearly 70% (that would be 70 out of 100. Breaking it down barney style for ya) serve one enlistment and get the F out? As for my “rank” no sh*t there’s no MLCpl. Just having a little fun with photo shop. Again, if you don’t like this site, go pound sand.

    • Older Marine Vet

      I’m not anti Marine Corps- just an intelligent person who recognizes the fact that the USMC has a lot of problems which it needs to confront.
      The Marine Corps can be small and professional enough to allow those who don’t want to be a part of it to exit without having to go through a lot of unnecessary harassment, which does neither party any good.
      As an educated person, I know for a fact that there are plenty of other places to live outside the United States which have never needed the USMC for protection, have a good quality of life, and don’t owe their national survival to a bloated military!
      I respect the fact that your are proud that you were once a Marine, but In your case I don’t think I would get the same level of civility in return.

    • LilLadyLadybuh

      Bob, that attitude isn’t doing anyone a damn bit of good. What makes the United States great is that it is made up of all different groups of people who cohabitate peacefully to build this country up. What makes the United States suck is that there are way too many people with the same mentality you are displaying, essentially, “Think like me or GTFO”. All that attitude does is hinder progress.

      And by the by, this is coming from a 26-year-old Marine Corps veteran, wife, and mother. I was discharged honorably as a Corporal after four years of service. If you have anything to say, I would love to hear it.

      • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

        Awesome

    • Master LCpl

      Another post by Gil Smith AKA Bob Comp. Again, if you’re going to talk shit, don’t be so foolish to attach your Facebook page to your comments. Also, Ninja pointed out earlier that either your “shift” key is stuck or your “caps lock” is on. You need to fix that. http://westmilfordmessenger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140717/NEWS01/140719958/Dirt-bikes-damage-pump-track

  • Chose_Wrong_Branch

    What advice do you have for someone who feels like they made a mistake in the branch of service they signed up for? Son is in boot now but just going through the motions getting more depressed. Original plan was army but allowed himself to hyped up for something he really didn’t care about. He would still like to serve just not as a marine. Is there a way/discharge that would allow that? Thanks for any help!

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      I mean, I am sure it is possible, but if he were to get out early it would most likely be something that would disqualify him from joining another branch.

      One option he has is to look out for the VEERP Early Out Program. Those pop up once a year (so far since 2010) and allow people to gt out earlier.

      • Chose_Wrong_Branch

        Thank you S. for your input. I’ve been writing positive encouraging things to him thinking that it was just a phase but he wrote a 7 page letter not long ago explaining why he feels this way. I have to say that I know he is clearheaded in his feelings now and that he knows this is the wrong branch for him. His Grandpa retired as a Major in the Marine Corps so this decision was not based on hating them, only being where HE would better serve and be happy. My husband was Army, his dad was Navy and my brother is a career Airforce 18+ years. We have a very diverse family and we are never bashing any of them except in fun. He fell for the brotherhood propaganda speech and really desired it but he says the only brotherhood he has seen in it was the fact that they we’re the only ones who knew how bad they could all be treated because most of them won’t talk about it to outsiders because the outsiders truly don’t /won’t understand it…Even when they hate it, they just tend to go through the motions until their time is up. He doesn’t want to be attached to something that doesn’t really value anyone,
        just an image of what they want people to believe. Again, that wasn’t said angry, he was just explaining why he felt this way and asked if I could give him advice. Thanks for the input again and thank you for having a site to ask these questions in good or bad situations!

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          My pleasure. Keep an eye out for any more advice others may give. Send him to the site so he can ask questions too, if you guys are up for that.

    • bootasfuck

      I hope I’m not writing this too late (and if I am, maybe some poor other poolie or parent will find this and take it up), and you can look around this website and find some answers I’m sure, but there was a guy a few months ago who frequented this site who wound up getting dropped from Parris Island because he refused to train, and then he wound up re-enlisting in the Air Force as a reservist. So it’s definitely possible. Although he might have better luck with the Guard…if he still prefers Army.

      One other thing I’d suggest if he wants to get out, and get out in style, is (assuming he’s still at the recruit depot) keep going until the end, do the Crucible, and on the final march back, I recommend no more than half a mile before the finish line, just have him step out of formation, sit down on the side of the road, and have him relax and be like “I don’t wanna be a Marine anymore. I just wanted to prove I could do it”. If I could redo my experience, that’s what I would’ve done. Just a suggestion.

    • bootasfuck
  • concerned parent

    I am a parent of a marine who has 1 week of ITB left he just recently had a son and had not seen his son until holiday break. He no longer wants to be a marine he just wants to come home and raise his son. What will happen to him once he tells his instructors he is quitting? I would appreciate any info. Thank you.

    • Juan

      If he tells his instructors that he refuses to train, he will more than likely be administratively separated with an “other than honorable” discharge. This type of discharge won’t affect him as negatively as a “bad conduct” or “dishonorable” discharge, the latter counting as a felony on his record. The only way an “other than honorable” could affect him is if he seeks employment with a government agency in the future. He will probably get put on some kind of legal hold for a few months before being completely processed out, but in the long run he’s much better off suffering for a few more months, as opposed to the next four years.

      • concerned parent

        Juan thank you for the information I really appreciate it. I hope it is not a dishonorable discharge that he receives. Do you know if he will be able to leave base at all during this process or if he will be able to have visitors? Once again thank you.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          You pretty much have to murder people to get a dishonorable.

        • Juan

          I have known people in the past who were on “legal holds” and could still leave base. Based on what I’ve personally witnessed, it appears to work on a case-by-case basis, depending on what the commanding officer deems appropriate. As for visitors, I don’t see any reason why they would deny him, but I’ve never actually witnessed anything like that in person.

        • Juan

          Another big thing to keep in mind is that he should do this while still in an “entry level” status. Based on what I’ve read “entry level discharges” are usually accompanied by much less severe punishments. I believe the window for entry level status is within 180 days of his enlistment, but I could be wrong. I’m sure someone on this site would know.

  • Adam 1

    NOT sure I would recommend this course. What will the Drill Instructors do? Beat the shit out of you, or get fellow recruits to do it. I was at mcrd San Diego in 1995, and THAT’S why I wouldn’t have taken this course. Instead, spoke to Chaplain and was honest with him about my feelings. Was discharged after having beeen there about thirty days. I regret my quitting to this day. I’ll promise you that just because the D.I.’s aren’t SUPPOSED to do something doesn’t mean they won’t. Tell your recruit to think it through. He knows his D.I.’s, I don’t. Some of them follow the rules, but many of the ones I knew didn’t. I was assaulted by one as were other recruits. The same one who assaulted me had the recruits assaulting one another on orders. REALLY didn’t respect that. It’s why I left. Just remember that if your son is treated wrongly by his Drill Instructor(s), there’s no 911 or lawyer for him to call.

    • TerminalCpl(who got Sgt)

      That is false, it takes very little to ruin a career at the drill field. That recruit could honestly talk to anyone higher than his drill instructors and force the issue.

      • Adam 1

        I know what I experienced.

  • One of the Few

    Wow! Seriously anyone who takes this advice is a freakin coward a disgust to my country and a shame to be able to be called an American. If you think USMC bootcamp is hard then you must be a mommas boy or a cry baby or BOTH. Go back to your mommas boob and dont let go until its time check out of this world because if you do… let me tell you life is gonna be a worse hell than 3 months of fun and games which is all USMC was to me… with a little bit of yelling in my face.

    • freeatlastfreeatlast

      I have a challenge for you, find a similar article related to how to get out of BUDS, the MARSOC or RECON indocs, or even the British Royal Marines boot camp. I don’t think you can, because these organizations decided to let those who can’t cut it get out right then and there, and are all the better for it. Could you imagine the SEALs in BUDs telling their inductees that “the fastest way to get out of this place is to graduate”? This is where it all starts; the Marine Corps forces hundreds of recruits through its induction process that aren’t a good match every month, which allows the Marine Corps to treat its members like disposable trash because there’s more coming right behind them. This causes many of the Marines who could actually be assets to the Corps to get out as soon as possible, and retains those who are willing to put up with the horseshit for free food and a guaranteed paycheck and pension.

      What did I learn in boot camp?

      -Don’t rock the boat and be sure to yell loudly when the time comes, just do what you’re told and don’t ask questions, as long as you have black on your collar, you aren’t paid to think.

      -Treat your peers like shit and foster an us-and-them mentality within the ranks that detracts from mission effectiveness.

      -Mission effectiveness is inversely related to how many IPs you have on your uniform.

      -Good leaders yell a lot and throw many a temper tantrum, you can’t lead without yelling in your subordinates faces and acting like a six year old when something goes wrong.

      -How well you can shoot kind of matters, but how well you can clean and drill is the real question.

      Finally, I would argue that the real cowards are the ones who just put up with the bullshit and act like they’re hard asses for doing it. It takes more courage to stand up for oneself and say that you’re not going to take the bullshit lying down anymore than it does to bend over and take it day after day.

    • Older Marine Vet

      The same old tired arguments get repeated over and over again on this forum!
      the problem with your line of thinking is that it reflects the narrow minded (aka stupid) mentality of Drill Instructors, that being there are only two choices in life- put up with the harassment and become a Marine, or go work at Burger King!
      Well, as an older and wiser adult, I’ve been Marine enlisted and a Marine LT. We all have our different jobs and roles to perform, and some people are not cut out to be Marines, nor should they be forced to if they are not going to make a positive contribution. Just process them out quickly and efficient, with no stupid harassment!
      I severely doubt that Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Steve Wozniak would have made it through Marine Boot camp, but their achievements and legacy far surpass ANYTHING you have ever done or achieved in the Corps ‘One of the Few’ – or in your life so far.
      Read what others have written here, and THINK about what they suggest. If you are so brainwashed by the USMC, that latter part is going to be very hard for you.

      • bivianaolivas

        Well said! I did my time in the marines, after 4years i realized i should’ve gone to college instead. Fortunately, when i got out i was able to obtain a Master’s in criminology and now attending law school. I wish i would have known about getting out of bootcamp, otherwise i wouldn’t have wasted so much of my time on a meaningless job that did nothing for me out here.

      • Kyle Fallon

        Sign a contract and complete what you swore to. Then leave. Simple.

        • older but not stupid

          Well Mr Old School hardass- the problem with this is that life ain’t as black and white as YOU would like it to be!

          In 2015 there is no reason for any potential poolee not to do their due diligence before signing a contract, but if they are really are a poor fit and cannot adapt ,I really do not see the sense in forcing them to stay on active duty!

          In times of fiscal austerity and downsizing, I do not see the point in keeping those who do not want to be Marines on active duty, nor prolonging the process of leaving ( 2 weeks should be the absolutely most for any type of out processing!).

          In OCS if candidates do not like it they have an opportunity to quit after 7 weeks. So why shouldn’t recruits be given the same option ( opportunity to discontinue after 8 or 9 weeks?) A serious bit of class warfare going on here- the FMF needs a lot more slaves than overseers huh!

          You don’t think that the military does its best to exploit poor and disadvantaged kids and coerce them to join, then traps them as its slaves with the “you signed the contract” argument? Would your hard ass and inflexible line hold up if you were drafted to go fight in a war you didn’t agree with (Vietnam for example)?

          And this argument gives the military a complete excuse to subject you to whatever petty, tyrannical and absurd rules it feels like making up for its convenience? Mutinies have occurred in the US Military in the past!

          Here’s some humorous examples to ponder:

          https://medium.com/war-is-boring/army-reservists-mutinied-twice-in-recent-history-56c2f301e2c2

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_of_Charlie_Company

          Part of feeding the War Machine today is that America has severely overextended itself and has an out of control Military Industrial Complex. Young men and women today are far better off staying away from the military, and the military should not be a large and resource consuming as it is.

          Finally, I received TWO honorable Discharges- one for my enlisted service and one for my Officer service.

          But my attitude about this whole subject has changed completely. If I could go back and do it all over again, I never would have willfully signed an enlistment contract with the USMC. And I have seen people do what it takes to leave early, and they were far from “cowards”,

          I was supposedly a “coward” in your eyes when after painfully and finally getting off active duty and successfully working a civilian job, I received a letter from HQMC asking if I was interested in returning to active duty for another Iraq deployment( who incidentally were the same people who had tried to prosecute me for a supposed “crime” I was never charged with).

          To be a “coward” and tell a Marine Major at HQMC to go fuck himself on the phone was the best ending to my Marine Corps career I could ever ask for!

          • Kyle Fallon

            Glad that I did not serve under you.

          • older

            That makes
            two of us! Working Aviation Maintenance and Supply, I’m glad I wasn’t in charge
            of ground combat troops and interestingly enough, the enlisted Marines in my
            shop were sad to see me go, because my replacement was a hard ass ( and not
            very smart) former Artillery Captain who was more into harassing them about
            petty uniform and office cleaning than actually making sure the Helo squadrons
            were properly equipped and their operations fully financially supported!

            Such said Captain had no experience with navigating the absurd bureaucracy that
            was the USMC’s financial and supply system, and anybody with some common sense
            could see that a competitive private business would be foolish to adopt the
            same inefficient practices inherent in a MAG ( Marine Aircraft Group)!!

            Funny thing is though- being a former enlisted Infantry Marine -I remember
            while in Iraq bending over backwards to reroute some gear to an Infantry
            platoon based on a request hastily written on the back of an cardboard MRE
            wrapper, only to be yelled at by some DICKHEAD LTCol because I didn’t follow a
            proper paperwork procedure ( in the middle of a damn war!)

            So I accept your criticism knowing that people like myself, who try and put
            common sense, efficiency and a complete disregard for some of the inflexible
            absurd rules that the military insists on imposing on itself, that if the
            outcome is to see past the stupid Bullshit and actually get something practical
            done in an efficient manner, then Your damned right I didn’t belong in the
            USMC!!!

          • Kyle Fallon

            My belief is that when you agree to something you agree to it. The
            Marines spend a lot of money on every recruit they get. Man up, get
            through the early hell, strengthen yourself and push through. Too many
            rules, absolutely. I am a positive thinker, and worked through some
            rules quietly, keeping the morale of the troops higher because they knew
            I stood up for them. I never took credit, but passed on the credit to
            those who served under me. Now if you were a Marine, you have a great
            resume to begin with, and you should always say with pride that you were
            a United States Marine; you are not an ex-Marine, you are a former
            Marine. Ooh Rah! <

          • Employer

            As an employer being a marine means jack shit to me. I just want to know if you have experience in what I need to fill. Being an asshole to your peers is not it.

          • Older soapbox

            Well Kyle Fallon, using your argument let’s imagine this:

            Suppose we imagined the F35 as a “new recruit in the Marine Corps”. It’s almost like paying at least a million dollars to a a nine year old who isn’t grown up enough to meet the basic entry standards, but HELL, he’ll do wonders for us in 10 years time as long as we pay him a million dollars a year, then when he does pass boot camp and get to the fleet well pay him TWO MILLION dollars a year because he is so “expensive to operate”!!!!!

            So show me the sense in wasting so much money on military industrial complex war toys and corporate welfare, and then complain that a low paid wage slave is shortchanging you? The USMC- like most inefficient government bureaucracies has no problem wasting money on expensive acquisitions or poor contracts, but then wants to crucify a junior enlisted for losing a piece of issued gear when deployed to Iraq!!

            Marines ” serve” the US government, and the US government is greedy, incompetent, corrupt and self serving!!!

  • Texas01

    I entered MCRD in January of 1991 and quickly learned that I had made the greatest mistake of
    my life. I had just completed 2.5 years of college with a 3.9 GPA, majoring in Premedical Sciences (or at least that’s what the degree plan was named at that time). Upon completing the fall semester, I felt that I was burned out from a rigorous course of study and I
    hastily decided that I wanted to “take a break” from school while also looking for
    a means to pay for the remainder of my schooling through the GI Bill. Thus, without giving it any thought, I talked
    to a Marine recruiter. If memory serves me correctly, I may have taken a sample of the ASVAB in his office? I also clearly remember handing him my transcripts and arrangements were made immediately for me to take the ASVAB at MEPS in
    Houston. I also did some prerequisite PT there at MEPSs (which was minimal) and my physical performance coupled with my ASVAB score (which was in the 98th percentile) had my recruiter salivating with a major hard-on, practically begging
    to get me to San Diego literally within the next few days. I asked for another week (given how fast things were moving) so that I could notify friends and family of my plans. Within two weeks of completing my fall semester and meeting my recruiter, I found
    myself standing on the yellow footprints at MCRD. Shortly after arriving at MCRD and being processed, I and a few other recruits were pulled aside to do advanced testing of the ASVAB. I remember the group was informed that based on the test
    results, we could be chosen for “special assignments” (for lack of a better term) such as standing guard at the White House or an Embassy or something else that I had ZERO interest in pursuing. I remember losing all concentration during the test and having one of my DI’s
    summoned. I was marched back to my platoon and stepping into the DI’s office.I was surrounded by all three DI’s and a fourth Marine whom I’d never seen. They had my ASVAB score and college transcripts on file…I know this because they were discussing them as if I wasn’t there and then all of Hell broke loose. I informed them that I had made a mistake and that I should have finished college before deciding to join
    the military. It went downhill from there… approximately 24 to 48hrs later (after it was clear that I wasn’t going to change my mind), I was brought before a captain who berated me for the next thirty minutes. Afterwards, I was separated from the platoon and sent to another part of the base that housed other recruits being discharged (for whatever reason). For some reason I was seen by a head-shrink
    who, after reviewing my records, said, “You don’t feel that you belong here because many of the other recruits and even the DIs aren’t up to your caliber from an academic standpoint. However, if you get out now, you’ll regret this the rest of your life”. To be clear, I didn’t think that I was better than anyone else…that’s nonsense. I did however feel that I should have stayed the course with my education and I’m thankful that I was unwavering in my decision to leave MCRD. After my meeting with the psych, I was placed in back in the holding barracks – total time was about 19 to 20 days.

    Look, I am forever grateful for the sacrifices made by our military and their families. No one deserves our respect more and particularly
    those who have served in battle. To potential recruits and their families, I strongly urge you give due process in
    researching the military as a career option. In 1991, we didn’t have the internet, much less YouTube. Take your time…. Ask questions, questions and more questions. Talk to those who’ve served… forgo the hype, the commercials, movies, etc. The Marines aren’t for everyone…. Maybe the Air Force is a better option? It’s for you to figure out. Just don’t make the
    mistake that I and others have made… take your time. As for me, I have ZERO regrets leaving MCRD.
    Three college degrees later and a hefty six figure salary, I know I made the
    right choice by leaving.

  • juan reyes

    Here another way out- USMC, URINE SAMPLES MAKES CIVILIANS! FUCKING PUSSY ASS POG’s!!!

    • blackcockdown

      Dude shut your fucking annoying wanna be hard ass up. I bet your one of those gay little key board warriors who talk shit on the internet and in reality is a little faggot nerd that sits behind the computer all day and jerks off to hentai porn!!!

  • JohnAlexander

    i feel like this if the Corp is not you its just know for you but you have to man up and tell them that this is not for you.. this stuff above is a cowardly way out…but as a man you signed that contract…and you disrespect every man and woman the walked threw those doors…i was not in the Marine Corps i was in the Navy as A Navy Corpsman…i worked with marines for almost 10 years.. felled it was a true honor serving with them…

    • justin

      stfu

    • IIlI

      most ppl. who sign up are teenagers. they are not men. number 2, they do it out of ignorance of the reality of the corps or poverty. very few have an actual idea of how it is. they should only take ppl. who have a personality that matches the corps. it’s a waste of money to just accept any guy with a pulse. most ppl. are not cut out for military

  • Kyle Fallon

    A coward’s way out. If you want to humiliate yourself, then go home, and then say you were tossed because of health reasons, go ahead. Then you are a quitter and a liar and you will never forget what you did. Boot Camp is preperation and I am glad to see you go.

  • Kyle Fallon

    These blogs are mostly pathetic and written by people who think world revolves around them. If we had people
    like you during the 1700’s our country would still be an English colony. Life, limb, sometimes family, homes
    and land were laid waste. Good men fought, the cowards from both sides ran away. All I am reading is garbage
    in, garbage out. The best and strongest and even the kindest people I have ever known were military people who walked
    with pride, knowing they could accomplish anything. I worked with Marines, and they were proud, held their heads high
    and would walk all over most of you. This blog is an embarrassment to me and should be an embarrassment to you….If you wanted
    it easy, go join the Air Force. Just go put on your uniform and play Marine, would ya…

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      You are right and we are all wrong. Got it.

    • Usmcsucks

      Why don’t you just get on your knees and start servicing Marines- you know you want to!

      The biggest petty thugs and bullies I ve seen were those who wore a Marine uniform with some rank on their shoulder!

      I got no problem fighting oppression and tyranny( seems like every day our own government is more of the oppressor) but I had no enthusiasm to hate people ( ie Iraqis who didn’t do a damn thing to me) just becuase it was convenient for the U.S. Government!

      Thinking back to my SOI experience- in reality it was nothing but a petty harassment school, run by NCOS And SNCOS on daily power trips. They treated us like dirt and said they “didn’t need us” so why shouldn’t there be a balanced op Ed about how you can avoid wasting years of your life?

      If the military has the luxury of changing the terms of your contract for its convenience, then maybe those who are smart enough should see that they can rethink their side of the bargain as well!

      The Marine Corps ain’t going to hesitate to screw you- and had this web site existed a long time ago( and had I had some REAL COURAGE) I would have stood up to those SOI bullies and done my best to get out early!

    • freeatlastfreeatlast

      “Play Marine”? Would you give the same advice to a SEAL, to put on his uniform and “play SEAL”? In an elite organization, or any organization really, why would you want to keep guys around who aren’t going to add to mission accomplishment, and just go through the motions to avoid making waves? Before I joined, I expected boot camp and the Marines to be some ultimate rite of passage to manhood. I expected overall camaraderie between the ranks, because we were all Marines. In short, I expected a “few good men”. Expecting all this, I trained for about 2 years prior to shipping out.

      When I got to boot camp, they were graduating about 600 Marines a week. How well you could drill was more important than how well you could shoot or PT. The majority of my platoon seemed to have just rolled out of bed one morning and decided to sign up for the Marines. Actual comradeship within the platoon was discouraged in favor of giving a handful of recruits positions of “power” over their fellow recruits if they were willing to treat their peers like shit. It didn’t matter how well you performed, you were still fucked with because it was a safe bet that the majority of the platoon had fucked up somehow. We were starved because it was a safe bet that the majority of recruits were overweight. The PT was a joke, because it was a safe bet that the majority of recruits couldn’t even keep up with that. I was expecting BUDs, I got a beauty pageant.

      I came to realize that boot camp wasn’t about weeding out the weak, it was a one-size-fits-all cookie cutter approach to flooding an organization with much needed slave labor. We were treated like shit, because the easiest way to deal with a large group of people is to simply assume that they are all underhanded turds and treat them accordingly, the lowest-common-denominator approach. We weren’t given the opportunity extended to Officers, to drop on request, because we were slaves, not overseers. This allows hundreds of poorly fitting inductees into the organization every month, and initiates them by ingraining into them that the fastest way up the ladder is on the backs of their peers. There are many things that could be changed for the better in the Marines, and the first and foremost would be to encourage those who want to drop out of boot camp to get the fuck out. No more “the fastest way out of here is to graduate” bullshit, it should be “we only want the best of you to stick around”.

      • Older

        “Read and Heed” Kyle Fallon. The USMC need to be a much smaller organization like the Royal Marines, pay more attention to its active duty quality of life component, do away with some of the nonsensical regulations, and allow those who don’t want to be there easier exit routes with undue harassment that lasts for months!

        I made it through OCS ( you could DOR after 7 weeks) and TBS in 2000 , and in Flight School we were told if you wanted to DOR all you had to do was say the word to your Student Control Officer. So for the two MCRDS, we should abolish the quota of recruits system, allow recruits the opportunity to quit after 10 weeks if they feel it’s not for them, and do a Two year enlistment review Where Marines have the opportunity to exit but if they do they lose out on long term education medical or educational benefits. In other words, build financial, tangible and real incentives to keep those who work hard and discontinue those who are not going to be productive. And reward those who work hard by not treating them like prisoners!!!

        So we both have very different visions of what the Marine Corps should be like. And different vision of what Americas role in the world should be ie not an overextended Empire that needs a large War Machine!

  • Kyle Fallon

    There is shame in quitting. What is the old saying? Winners never quit, and quitters never win.

    • older

      But in this case how do you define “winning”? I’d say that avoiding at least three years of being treated like a second class citizen, being a low paying wage slave, forced to follow the orders of idiots, and being overworked for someone’s pleasure you have definitely ” won” – or gained more freedom!

      The older I get, the more realize that life has many shades of grey ( different expression) After my time in the USMC I worked a civilian job, did well in it then found out that I wasn’t getting paid as well in comparison to others doing the same work( they thought that by hiring military veterans they could make us work the more demanding jobs with less pay, because we were ” used to it”) So, I just said ” fuck them”, walked away from the job when they needed me the most, and rewarded myself with a Trip to Europe! And don’t regret it one bit!
      I won my freedom!

      So, your cliche is correct, but there is a huge difference between wanting to perservere with the vague incentive of the ” honor and privilege of being a Marine” vs say running as fast you can to qualify for Olympic trials to compete in the next Olympic Games , where you get more $$$$$ and more freedom.!!!

      I’ve never been a big fan of running around in circles and getting nowhere, or just mindlessly screaming and yelling and at the end of the day never accomplishing anything tangible.

      At at the end of the day, I tell young people to avoid signing an enlistment contract with the USMC , and apply the same cliche you wrote to something that is far more lucrative and productive- higher education, technical skill, computer skills for example

      Being an active duty Infantry Marine is nothing but a dead end career path with no future, and essentially you are a wage slave at the mercy of your USMC command and the U.S. Government, so it isn’t something that should be seen as worth the sacrifice in the first place.

  • terminal

    Here’s a bunch of “winners”- being the good little prisoners the Suck wants them to be!

    Almost reminds you of a chain gang huh!

  • RiotMorello

    I tried to quit boot, didnt think to try these tips, i had to resort to an attempted suicide since i was so desperate to leave. Looking back while I was in RSP talking to a couple others who just wanted out, some of the shit we had to say was funny when you look back, we made fun of our company commander’s scout school story which consisted of us making fun of the way he tried to make us feel bad for not pushing through the bullshit to get to a life of misery. Seriously, like 90% of the people in charge looked like they hated life, even if they barely every had to deal with, quote “filthy, disqusting recruits.”

    At least it gave me the knowledge to be able to skillfully impersonate a DI to fuck with people

    • older

      Well, for myself, I passed Bootcamp in 1992, got an honorable discharge for four years enlisted, went to OCS in 1999, and after some legal bullshit got an honorable discharge.
      I am not going to pass judgment on you- my more mature opinion is to give someone who does not want to be a Marine an option to ‘discontinue’- it shouldn’t take any longer than two weeks to do the out-processing, and there is no need to subject such people to petty and vindictive harassment!!
      On Drill instructors- we all experienced what they are like, and I made sure that I did not have to do that type of duty ( I could not be an asshole 24/7!) but I’ve worked around former Drill Instructors and its interesting to listen to their stories, and/or mindset.
      Not that recruits would ever be given a choice about this, but I think the worst situation would be to get DI’s who have come straight from the Drill Field, and you are their first platoon! It would take a couple of cycles for them to get the initial Hard core attitude out of their system!
      The other extreme would be is to get DI’s who have been at the MCRD’s too long, hate what they are doing, and take it out on their recruits!!
      In 1992 I was lucky to have decent Drill Instructors, in the sense they never beat us, or played cruel and unusual games with us. I’ve met former DI’s who have a hard time turning the mindset off ( it doesn’t work too well in the Air wing) but most former DI’s are very blaise about their experiences.
      In other words, they end up seeing their cycles of their recruits as nothing but CATTLE to be herded from one place to another. No sense getting to know them, or caring that much about them after they’ve gone ( or even when they are there!).
      I’m sure an former DI’s might correct me- this is just based on conversation I’ve had with the ones I saw on active duty.
      Looking back on my own experience, I should have avoided the enlisted ranks entirely, and just gone right into the military as an Officer. No matter what your choice is, it isn’t going to be easy, but there’s no sense keeping people who are ill suited to the job you want them to perform.
      you don’t want to be a Marine-fine. Goodbye, and good luck with the next phase of your life.