How To Get Out Of Boot Camp (And MCT/SOI)

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Here at iHateTheUSMC.com, we’ve fairly commonly had the parents, spouses, girlfriends/boyfriends, etc. of a Recruit that is currently in Boot Camp come on the site asking something to the effect of: “My [Family Member/Significant Other] went to boot camp, but something happened and now he or she really just wants out. Is there anything he or she can do to get out of boot camp and the marine corps and come home?” My answer to the Recruits who want out of the marine corps is “Yes. You most likely still qualify for an Entry-Level Separation.” That being said, getting an Entry-Level Separation isn’t quite as easy or convenient as it would’ve been if you had decided to withdraw from the Delayed Entry Program (DEP) instead.

[NOTE: The advice given in this article is geared specifically to marine corps recruits. Please note that - while marines in MCT/SOI may still be in Entry Level Status - there is no provision that guarantees an Entry Level Separation for marines in MCT/SOI. That being said, the worst type of discharge that could be received for refusal to train would be an Other Than Honorable (OTH) Discharge. An OTH will have virtually no impact on your civilian life, except that an OTH may make it more difficult for you to get a job with the federal government.]

First of all, before we get too deep into discussion, it’s important to determine whether or not you actually qualify for an Entry-Level Separation. Paragraph 6002, Section 7, of the Marine Corps Separations Manual  lays out the qualifications for “Entry-Level Status” in the Marine Corps as follows:

  • For Active Duty, “a member qualifies for entry-level status during the first 180 days of continuous active military service”. This means that, from the day a recruit arrives at boot camp, he or she is in “Entry-Level Status” for the next 180 days.
  • For Reservists, entry-level status is slightly more complicated, but in general it terminates after being called to Active Duty “for one continuous period of 180 days or more”.

If you’ve been in for longer than 180 days, unfortunately you no longer qualify for Entry-Level Separation. At this point the best advice I can give is to tell you to try to make it through your enlistment as best you can, come visit the Anonymous Discussion page at iHateTheUSMC.com whenever you need to vent, never be afraid to contact mental health if need be, and claim every benefit you deserve when you finally do get out.

Now then, if you have NOT yet been in for 180 days, then you still have hope for an Entry-Level Separation. Paragraph 6205 (Pages 187 – 188) of the Separations Manual states that “A member may be separated while in an entry level status, if the member is unqualified for further service by reason of entry level performance and/or conduct, as evidenced by incapability, lack of reasonable effort, failure to adapt to the Marine Corps environment, or minor disciplinary infractions.” The order goes on to state that “all personnel administratively separated from recruit training will be processed under this reason except in those limited cases where processing under a more serious basis is appropriate and where discharge characterization under other than honorable conditions is warranted.” This effectively means that, if you’re separated from boot camp, you will receive an Entry-Level Separation, so long as you don’t do anything that causes significant injury to another person (i.e. start a fist-fight with another Recruit in an effort to get kicked out).

Note: A fuller list of situations that warrant an “Other Than Honorable” (OTH) Discharge can be found on Page 25 of the Separations Manual. However, it’s important to note that almost NONE of the listed situations could possibly apply to a Recruit.

 

Alright, now that we’ve gotten past all of the paperwork, it’s time to get to the real question: How does this affect me? How do I use this to get out of Boot Camp?

Quite contrary to what you and every recruit since the dawn of boot camp has been told, You Can Quit. It’s not quite as easy as quitting the DEP, and it requires some commitment, but if you’re serious about getting out of boot camp and the Marine Corps, a few days of hardship should be worth getting 4 years of your life back. The following is a very basic outline of how to go about quitting. Bear in mind that individual experiences may vary, and you may need to adapt your approach to meet your current situation.

Step 1: Get in the proper mindset. Odds are you’ve spent the past few weeks referring to yourself as “This Recruit”, doing anything and everything that you’re told out of fear of being screamed at, being taken for “Incentive Training” (I.T.) or (the ultimate Drill Instructor threat) being “dropped” or “recycled” to a different recruit company to repeat some aspect of training. The first thing you need to do is get out of that mindset.

  1. Remember that these Drill Instructors (D.I.s) are just people, just like you. They’re not anything special. Look them in the eye when you speak to them, refer to yourself in the first person, and don’t call them “sir/ma’am” or acknowledge their rank in any way. These things will take away your D.I.s sense of control over you.
  2. When your D.I.s start yelling and screaming, take a moment to realize just how stupid they look. Odds are, they look like a complete idiot and – in the correct mindset – you may find it very hard not to laugh at your D.I.s.
  3. Realize that you don’t need to be worried about I.T. If you don’t want to be taken for I.T. all you have to do is not go. If your D.I. says “get on the Quarterdeck!” All you have to do is smile and say is “No, I don’t really feel like it right now, but thank you for the offer.” What are they gonna do? Scream? Threaten you with I.T.? If you’re in the correct mindset, all of their threats are completely empty.
  4. Sure you might get dropped back in training (It’s actually very unlikely, but it’s still possible) but really, if you’re in a mindset where you’ve rendered all of the D.I.s threats to be completely harmless, what can they do? About the only thing they can really do is drop you into the Recruit Separation Platoon (RSP), which is where you want to be anyway.

Step 2: When you have made up your mind, and you’ve reached the mindset where the D.I.s have nothing to threaten you with, take a seat on your footlocker, put your feet up, and relax. Of course your D.I.s won’t take kindly to this, they’ll likely start out by screaming, just look them in the eye, and smile. If their screaming becomes annoying, you may choose to taunt them, saying something like “Come on! Is that all the louder you can scream? My Grandmother yells louder than that!” Taunts of this nature should be used in moderation, but when used skillfully, they will not only show the D.I.s that their screams are ineffective, but will also put you in a position of control as the D.I.s have to decide to either stop screaming or to give in to your taunts and scream louder on your command. Either way, you win.

From here, your D.I.s will likely try to figure out why you’re doing what you’re doing. They’ll still be shouting, but they’ll ask “What are you doing?” or some similar question. Simply tell them “I quit. I don’t want to be a marine anymore, so I quit”. They’ll tell you “You can’t quit! You signed the contract… etc. etc.” respond “Too bad, I already quit.” Stand your ground, don’t let them intimidate you with their empty threats, and you will eventually win.

Note: It is possible that your D.I.s may try to punish other Recruits in an attempt to break you. They may start to I.T. a group of Recruits and tell them that the I.T. session will not end until you join in. This approach is particularly useful to D.I.s because it allows them to make you feel responsible for the suffering of other Recruits who didn’t do anything to deserve punishment. Your D.I.s will almost definitely allow the other Recruits to yell at you, pleading with you to join in the I.T. session so that it will stop. Continue to resist. Remind the Recruits that you’re not forcing them to do anything, and that if they want the session to stop, all they have to do is get up and leave. If you can successfully resist this tactic, it will work to your advantage in a couple of ways:

  1. It will reinforce to your D.I.s that you are determined to not continue with boot camp, and they cannot break you.
  2. The MCRD San Diego I.T. Card specifically states that “IT will never be assigned to a unit as a result of one recruit’s actions”, and the MCRD Parris Island I.T. Card states that “S.D.I.s may IT the whole platoon only as a response to the deficiencies of the platoon as a whole.” Thus,  by assigning I.T. to a group as a result of your actions, your D.I.s are in violation of a direct order and you will be able to use this as ammunition against them when your D.I.s send you to talk to your Company or Series Commander.

Step 3: After a day or two of continuous resistance, your D.I.s will most likely send you to speak to either your Company or Series Commander. It’s important that you keep up your mindset, don’t stand at attention, don’t salute, don’t address the Commander as sir or ma’am. That being said, if your Commander speaks to you in a courteous, respectful manner, then speak to your Commander with similar courtesy. Your Commander will probably ask you why you’re behaving as you are, why you don’t want to be a marine anymore, and may even offer to make some changes if you will resume training. Decline his or her offers, and continue to resist. Within a few days after this meeting you will most likely be dropped to Recruit Separations Platoon (RSP).

Once you’ve made it to RSP you can afford to relax a little bit. At this point you know you’re being processed for discharge, so you can afford to act like a “good recruit” and say your “yes sirs” etc. just to make your life a little bit easier. You can expect to spend at least 2 weeks in RSP, and possibly quite a bit longer, but once you get out you will be out of the marine corps for good, so the few weeks of RSP should be well worth it.

 

If you wish to verify this answer for yourself, the relevant information regarding Entry-Level Separation can be found on pages 172, 187, and 188 of Marine Corps Order (MCO) P1900.16F.

Additional information on Entry-Level Separation from the marine corps can be found at the “GI Rights Hotline” Website.

Safety and Peace

NINJA_PUNCH

  • Joer Asswwq

    I went through bootcamp in 09 I unfortunately didnt end up graduating with my platoon due to an injury during boot(but did graduate with another platoon). In my experience in boot threre were people who really shouldn’t have graduated bootcamp, as in not Marine Corps materiel, and there were people who should’ve graduated.

  • reallynow

    An OTH doesn’t do shit to you, and the civilian world is so much better without the corpse. Believe me when I say that a lot of us were once in your position and now live happier more peaceful lives as a result of leaving this turgid wasteful standing ARMY. Do not let your command mess with you, if you want out, you will get out, you deserve it. You are human after all.

  • recruit_girlfriend

    I’ve got a question for you all. My boyfriend is currently in bootcamp and is wanting out. He was in MRP for a few weeks for injuring himself pulling a muscle in his back the second day in training and just got out into a new platoon. When he first wrote me, he said he made a big mistake and was wanting to come home. I kept writing him and encouraging him because he has been preparing for this for years, since he was younger. He found motivation back and was happy to get back to training. Out of the blue, his recruiter calls me and tells me he is wanting to quit. Later, his grandpa calls me and he had a discussion with him and he was very presistant on wanting out. His last words to him was “This recruit is done sir.”. We haven’t yet figured out why he wanted to quit all of a sudden when he liked his DIs and we had family plans, marriage, etc. after his bootcamp he was so excited about. He said he was staying in no matter what for me and his future. Now, if he is waiting to get sent home and changes his mind to train, is their any way possible he could get back in? Or is he done for good?

    • VssVintorez

      Depends. They’ll most likely try to convince him to continue, and if he decides to he most likely will. It just depends on how far he has gone into the getting out process, but once he is out, he most likely will not be able to go back. If he is still in and just waiting to heal/make a decision, then he will most likely be dropped into a different training platoon.

      • recruit_girlfriend

        Thank you. He just got out of MRP which he got dropped into from his original platoon. He got picked back up from a different company and platoon a few days ago. Yesterday we got the phone call that he wanted to quit. If he gets our letters in about 3 or 4 days and decides to stay then, could he? Or is that too late?

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          That depends. Boot Camp is notoriously difficult to quit. If the command can find a way to force someone through, they’ll do it. So I’d say the odds are pretty good that he’d be able to stay in boot camp if he change his mind.

          I guess my only question for you is, if he wants to quit, and has already injured himself, why would you write a letter trying to convince him to stay? I think if I were in his situation, I’d want to know that there’s somebody who’s going to have my back.

          • VssVintorez

            True. If he wants to quit now, it doesn’t get any better. Sure, the entire environment changes, but I was actually motivated throughout bootcamp, it was at SOI that I finally realized how moronic the Corps was. It is better to get out without repercussions now than to wait.

          • recruit_girlfriend

            He pulled a muscle in his back, but it wasn’t very major. He healed up quickly and kept writing me how he was excited to stay in and continue to train. He said he verbally fought with the doctor when they wouldn’t release him because he wanted to go back into training. It’s just floored me because he was so pumped up and excited then a couple days later it was like bam, he wants out. I wrote him and asked him to make sure that’s what he wants, I support his decision either way. The Marine branch may not be the right one for him. Sometimes he is easily persuaded so I didn’t know if someone else said something to him that made him change his mind. I just reminded him to think for himself and be sure in his decisions.

          • recruit_girlfriend

            By the way, thanks for your input guys! It helps a lot!

  • ProudMarine

    WTF? This page is a dishonor to every Marine that sucked it up and earned the title. Giving up is for pussies and fags. I can only imagine the amount of dicks the webmaster must suck on a daily basis. If your son, daughter, husband, or boyfriend is in boot, encourage them to earn the title of Marine.

    • FailedToAdapt

      What is your authority to speak for every marine? Have you personally polled every marine his/her view?

      If you did, congratulations to you! That is staggering work requiring a lot of manpower and other resources.

      Also, no need to invoke the term “fags”. Many gays have done their duty “openly” or silently to fulfill their obligation. Gays are just as capable as you. Their sexual preference is irrelevant to their abilities.

      ” If your son, daughter, husband, or boyfriend is in boot, encourage them to stand up for themselves”

      ^ Fixed that for you. Self-respect requires that a person does not others mistreat them. Self-respect is required for strong individuals. Seems a lot of marines find it noble to allow others abuse them in the name of “not being a bitch”. It’s funny because on the outside many find the zealous marine subservience to the epitome of “being a bitch”. Of course, I don’t speak for everyone.

      With that said ProudMarine, have a fine day.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Oh please. The “title” of “marine” isn’t earned, it’s given. You can sluff off and put out about 10% all through boot camp, you can fail every requirement twice, and just barely pass the third time, and still graduate.

      The guy who was one bunk to my right did that all through boot camp. He hoped that if just sluffed off enough, they would separate him, and told me as much. The D.I.s ordered him to sickbay to get put on light duty so he couldn’t do Initial or Final drill, they falsified his MCMAP scorecard to make him pass… the D.I.s literally went out of their way (I dare say, above and beyond the call of duty) to make him graduate. About the only thing that he did by himself was run a PFT. He was by far, the fastest one in the company. While most of us were still running to the halfway point, we’d see him running back, smiling, snapping his fingers, and doing a little dance while running. He did that specifically to piss off the D.I.s because he knew that they couldn’t catch him. This same guy did the same thing at MCT. He graduated from there too.

      Bearing all of this in mind, how can you say that you have to “earn the title” when no amount of sluffing off is sufficient for them to deny it to you? When standing up, putting your foot down, and actively deciding to stop, is harder than graduating, the only logical conclusion is that the “title” is given out like candy.

      By the way, just so you know, this page is owned, operated, and primarily used, by current and former marines, many of whom have been on at least one combat deployment. We’ll decide if this page is a dishonor to us or not, thank you.

      Safety and Peace

      • madmike

        I had a guy in my plt at Parris Island hang himself in the bath room. He was completely unconscious when the fire watch found him and the only thing that saved his life was the junior D.I. doing CPR on him. And that recruit still graduated. So even unsuccessfully trying to kill yourself isn’t enough to make you fail. He “earned” the title Marine with me and the rest of my fellow recruits…including the 2 drug dealers from Boston who later got arrested for murder while stationed in Subic Bay.

    • madmike

      Almost everyone here did not give up. I did the 4 years as a grunt and got out with a honorable. But just because we did it does not mean we liked it. P.S. Taking it like a Marine in the corps means taking it like a bitch everywhere else on the planet.

  • armyHeliMech

    I have a brother who is at his unit but now wants out. Is there options available for him?

    • Master LCpl

      If he has been in for less than 180 days he could possibly get an Entry Level Separation. Read the above post for more info.

  • ha

    Lil bitches that can’t make the cut. Why the fuck did you enlist in the first place if you were going to quit? I bet your an “upstanding” citizen rofl. Losers.

    • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

      A shining example or how marines treat others. Brave my ass.

      • Master LCpl

        Probably some motard SNCO.

        • ohreally

          Is there even a need to qualify that statement with “probably”?

          • Master LCpl

            Your right. I stand corrected. A motard SNCO that got his feelings hurt because we dare to say things about HIS beloved corps.

          • ohreally

            Fuck calling it his beloved corpse. It’s his glorious Department of the Navy. Not even a branch for Christ’s sakes.

  • Nadia

    My boyfriend had a black out and he was sent to pysch ward from friday and was discharged from the hospital unit tuesday…He said he probably will be coming home..but will have to go to base first. and at the hospital they said 99.9 percent time they say anyone referred there for a evaluation needs to be discharged..well anyways Now im at thursday and he wont be able to call again..so im confused..am i supposed to wait for something to happen..is there a way i can find out where he is now and what is going to happen?

  • Nadia

    Does being admitted to pysch ward during boot camp automatically mean you will be discharged? or is there a chance you will be back to your platoon..eh. i know he wants to come home i just dont know how to find out

    • ohreally

      Chances are he will come home if he has medical issues, including mental ones, which unlike what the Marine Corps thinks actually exist.

      • Nadia

        marine corp sucks Thank God Im hoping he gets back asap cause i really dont want to deal with this crap and the lame bitches on the marine support groups Lmaoooo

    • RecruitMom

      My son did. He was in hospital just long enough to determine that he could come home, then in separation platoon for 2 weeks. He saw a guy with broken limbs who couldn’t leave until his medical treatment was concluded, and it was going to be a while.
      My son wonders if anyone get slammed with medical bills from MCRD?

  • Nadia

    how long were you in RSP for, this is exactly whats going on with my boyfri

    • Nadia

      Boyfriend#, he basically said he quit and fuck this and then they got mad and he said I rather fucking die then spend another day here cause he was pist ehh and they took it seriously and sent him to pysch ward frm saturday to tuesday and now im wondering where he is and whats going on!?

      • Word

        He’ll either be processed out, or they’ll try to convince him to keep going through with it. Since you’re not family, you’ll just have to wait for a response, as unhelpful as that sounds.

  • RecruitMom

    My son received a discharge from MCRD. He had to go through separation platoon for 2 weeks first, then was sent home. Since coming home he received first a small paycheck and later an even smaller paycheck for his time at MCRD. His pay stub looks like he should have received another third paycheck for twice the amount of the first of the paychecks, but today he received a letter from the Marine Corps that he had to reimburse an overpayment (half the paycheck). Now he is worried that they will send another bill for him to return the money that they never paid him. That amount shows on his pay stub, but he hasn’t seen it. He wants to attend trade school. Is this a common thing? That they send you a bill after you get home for “overpayment”?

    • ohreally

      It can happen sometimes because of clerical errors, some admin Marine somewhere probably gave your son too much money and now the Marine Corps wants it back, even if he spent it already…… But don’t worry trillions can still be spent on the osprey, the f-22, the f-35, and abrams tanks.

  • 2XUSMC

    I find it ironic that there are so many people on here that have such animosity towards the Corps. It is hard when you get injured during recruit training to return to training and be successful. Sometimes it depends on the drive that the recruit has to finish, and the motovation they are able to maintain during their time at MRP. There is no shame in quitting, if its not for you its not for you. It depends on the person, if quitting and not returning to training, refusing to train while in recuit training, or just opting out is something you can live with then do what you want. There are some aspects of the Corps that suck, but there are also some aspects in everything you do that sucks. Show me a person that has 100% job satisfaction, it doesn’t exist. The problem with Marines that were recruited betewen 2002-2011 is that the Marines opened up there standards to previously ineligible recruits. This caused a lot of people to become Marines like the so claimed people on this site, that previously wouldn’t have done it. They former Marines that complain about the Marine Corps should never have become Marines. They made a mistake, and now they look at their time spent in the Corps as a mistake. Well, suck it up, you served your time and now move on and quit your bitching…

    • madmike1968

      What’s wrong with trying to make the service a better place? Why can’t we call a spade a spade and make a military that performs as advertised? if everyone was like you problems wouldn’t get fixed, improvements would never be made and we’d still be carrying bolt action rifles.

      • 2XUSMC

        We are making it a better place…instead of having over 200,000 Marines, we are cutting it to 183,000. This will weed out those that snuck in when the USMC expanded their standards or those that can’t compete in the current standards. I agree it should be a better place, and the Marine Corps has evolved since my first enlistment in 97, but I wouldn’t say for the better.

        • JoeB

          As a taxpayer that’s 100% fine with me ( shame the cuts aren’t deeper)- I’m just wondering though does that include all the females that can’t do more than 3 pull ups, or will such groups be untouchable because the Suck wants to be gender diverse, culturally sensitive and maintain racial quotas? I got no problem watching females get slaughtered on a future battlefield!

          • 2XUSMC

            The female pullup standard when it is implemented which starts this year for certain combat jobs that were just opened to females is 2. The reason that they haven’t implemented female pullups yet is because they haven’t established a method of how to tie that physical training into their recruit training regimen.

          • Don’t support dumb laws

            The MCO was supposed to be policy in Feb. 2014 but 46% of females recruits can’t even meet the minimum 3 pull ups. There was talk of the order about 2 yrs prior.

            There are fucking pull up bars in both recruiting depots. The flex arm hang is so easy- as long as you have working arms you can get 90-100% easily. If you don’t have a pull up bar, do push ups. If there are lack of pull up bars, do push ups. I did push ups for a year and still got 19-20 pull ups and I touched the pull up bar only twice. The chief reason was to maintain the female quota-this came from HQMC.

            You cannot tell me a depot filled with drill instructors, martial arts instructors and instructor trainers advise HQMC against this MCO order because it has not been established how making females do the pull ups is gonna through off the recruit training regimen. They added the CFT with no issues.

          • ohreally

            “they haven’t established a method of how to tie that physical training into their recruit training regimen.”

            *AHEM*
            Oh I don’t know, making them do pullups? Or negative pullups and pushups if they can’t do a pullup?

        • Don’t support dumb laws

          Not really. Hazing was less common but it’s still the same stuff. They get rid of the good Marines and continue the cycle of high turnover rates. And women are still allowed to have lower physical standards despite the order to make them do pull ups. Why? 46% of female recruits couldn’t meet the 3 pull up standard and the Corps thought this order is detrimental. Also 1997 was when females were finally required to attend MCT.

          • ohreally

            “Also 1997 was when females were finally required to attend MCT.”

            You know what? When I first read that I ****ing laughed out loud in amazement. I really could not believe what you typed out on the screen. But then I looked it up for myself, and yup, before 1997 female Marines would just go straight to their MOS schools after recruit training. ****ing **** is the Marine Corpse stupid. Did the chain of command have to wait until females started *dying* in the War on Terror to get them training for *combat*? What the hell? Are these idiots in our leadership supposed to keep us alive or something? What the ****ing **** man, what the ****? I really am flabbergasted, I really am.

          • Don’t support dumb laws

            I used to work at a veterans service office as a clerk. I talk to different era Marine veterans from Vietnam, onwards. You learn about different stuff they experienced. I spoke to a Marine who served in the 1990’s through 2000’s. It just happens that he works in ITB as an instructor and knows about SOI’s training requirements then. Also any Marine who served before 1997 would know this too. I have no idea why they did this. Probably because they didn’t think females needed to know more advanced skills because they were banned from direct combat anyways.

        • http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com/ S.

          WE are making it a better place. Instead of sugar coating the corps, we point out the problems it has so those who want to join can make more informed decisions, and those who join/stay in anyways have a chance to contribute to it’s future. It’s the people from my time in (2006-2010), the “why generation”, that are making a difference. Those who stay in can do what they can to unfuck the shit leadership from before, and people like me, who got out and have the balls to build a website like this, spread the truth to those on the outside by the millions.

        • ohreally

          Hey, how about we have zero Marines and then that way this country can only have ONE Army instead of the two it has now? Then after that we could get to work on the two navys we have (Coast Guard and Navy) and the three Air Forces we have as well ( Air Force, Navy, Marines). Wait, I take that back, once we get rid of the Maween Bureaucracy we would only have two air forces, but still have two departments of defense (DOD and DHS). And don’t get me started on the Ospyrey, the F-22, F-35, and the littoral ship…….

    • Joe B

      Oh Shut the Fuck Up you moron! It obvious that you are too stupid to actually read the extensive content on this site, and see that the majority of the contributors were good Marines who excelled in all the metrics that defines an above average Marine, but just got fed up with the maltreatment, inefficient bureaucracy, and sheer stupidity that comes with an enlistment contract!!
      Please give us solid proof that a recruit that joined in 2004 was subject to lesser standards than one who joined in say 1998? And why is it that the Marines will not allow a recruit to quit so easily if they make the intelligent and rational decision that they don’t want to waste the next 3 1/2 years of their lives being an indentured slave? If the USMC were truly an elite organization it would allow an expeditious and efficient out-processing just like any business would. But no- it needs the low paid slaves in order to operate!!
      And Fuck You! This site has existed for awhile and is not going away, and had it existed when I was considering joining it would have changed my mind pretty quickly! There are far better things that young men can pursue in life that be a Marine- at the very least we can deny the USMC some potential quality recruits because they are better informed! Only the idiots will join and only the idiots end up re enlisting!
      So ‘suck it up’ motard!

      • 2XUSMC

        First of all the proof in the standards being lowered during the influx of Marines from 2002-2011 was the increase of waiver traffic at HQMC. Check out the Marine Corps Enlistment Processing Manual and you will see what type of waiver is required for certain moral offenses, education levels, and tattoo waivers. During that time the Marine Corps approved more waivers for drug use, dependents, GED, and other qualifications that prior to and since then have become almost non-existent. You guys on this site can suck it, making over 50 grand a year, plus full benefits, for working a 9-5 type job is great.
        You say wasting 3 1/2 years of your life….Did you get out and go to school? Find a job that pays more, open a business, what did you do? Or are you just wasting your life now? The problem with some Marines is that they can’t play the game, treat like a job not a lifestyle. Do what you need to do and go home. You are brought up in this liberal society thinking that you are owed something, when the government doesn’t owe you shit, neither does the Corps, so wow you have to earn it.Instead you discourage a kid who doesn’t want the Air Force because they are lazy, nor the Army cause they are fat and out of shape, or the Navy cause they don’t want to spend four years on a ship. These are all generalizations just like you are generalizing the Marine Corps…

        • Joe B

          Oh- do we have our panties in a knot? Waivers were granted in the late 90’s, but its a no brainer that if you end up starting a stupid and unnecessary war in the Middle East that you need more bodies to fight it ,then suddenly stupid, petty and superficial regulations regarding tattoos don’t become so important?

          Not that its really any of your fucking business, but after leaving the USMC I earned a college degree and have worked for civilian companies where I have made decent money, and basically not have to put up with some the ridiculous, petty and childish rules that the USMC imposes on you.

          I love this right wing ” liberal society thinking that you are owed something, when the government doesn’t owe you shit,” REALLY? then why does the government ( and the DoD) think that it rates to take a portion of my earnings in excessive taxes then spend it irresponsibly ( see unnecessary war above)? If I’m going to fork over my hard earned money to the government, then damned right it OWES ME SOMETHING! ( for one thing, I’m tired of subsidizing free health care for the military!)

          And who are you to imply that I did not work when I was in the Marine Corps? And you should actually bother to read the experiences of other people here to show that hard work does not get rewarded so well in that organization!
          And your stupid generalizations about ‘kids’ and their lack of work ethic is way off the mark, plus your detrimental implications about other branches of the Armed Forces. I would encourage young men to explore the opportunities the Air Force, Army and Navy had to offer, because at least they know how to treat their people more professionally.
          Treat it like a job and not a lifestyle? Hell- the Marine Corps discourages that line of thinking in its attempt to have 24 hour control over you!
          Anything else?

          • 2XUSMC

            Good for you, you used what you earned in the Marine Corps, unless you payed for it all by yourself and didn’t use the GI Bill … I earned my degree while still in the Corps and I am almost finished with my Masters. Health Care benefits in the military are just like any other business that offers perks to its employees. So thanks for the contribution towards my well being.
            It wasn’t only tattoo waivers that were expanded it was everything. Moral and conduct before joining the USMC and during your enlistment were no big deal. A Marine could get a DUI and still be able to reenlist… I actually agree with you that kids should check out each branch before they decide where they want to enlist, but I disagree that some services treat their people more professionally, I think its all the same bullshit that everyone complains about just a different uniform. The marine 24/7 is just a way to demonstrate that if you have to work late then you shouldn’t bitch. I think a lot of it has to do with immaturity of its members.

          • Joe B

            “I think a lot of it has to do with immaturity of its members.”
            I can use that argument for most of the senior SNCO’s and some Officers I saw, who didn’t put a lot of thought into proper allocation of manpower, work and time since they knew they could get away with being stupid!!
            There is no incentive for them to make proper use of time, money or manpower since they have a guaranteed government job!
            So what fucking point are you trying to make? People get DUI’s in civilian jobs and don’t get fired from them. And I always shook my head at the logic of training people to be killers on the battlefield, but punishing them if they weren’t sensitive or considerate enough to a certain minority group?
            So I will continue to criticize the Marine Corps at my leisure, pointing out all its stupidity and absurdity, glad to be out of its reach when it needs bodies for its next dumb war!