How To Get Out Of The DEP (Delayed Entry Program)

how to get out of the dep

One of our most frequently asked questions here at iHateTheUSMC.com has been “I signed the contract, and now I’ve decided that that was a bad idea, is there some way that I can back out?” The quick answer to your question is “Yes”. You can still quit, and not go to boot camp, without any negative consequences.

Technically, the contract you signed is legally binding, and the Marine Corps and Dept. of Defense could force you to fulfill the terms of your enlistment; however, current DoD policy (as prescribed in DoD Directive 1332.14) is to allow any person in the Delayed Entry Program to drop out of the DEP on request.

To drop out of the DEP, all you have to do is simply not show up on your ship-out date . You do not need to fill out any paperwork to be separated from the DEP, and you do not need to contact your recruiter if you don’t wish to. However, it is recommended that you contact your recruiter simply out of courtesy, and let him/her know that you no longer intend to join the marine corps.

If you do chose to call your recruiter, your recruiter is obligated by Marine Corps Order (MCO) P1100.72C to interview you, to “counsel” you about fulfilling your contract, and to remind you that your contract is legally binding. In the course of this interview your recruiter may try to tell you that “you can’t back out”, that “it’s illegal for you to break your contract”, that “you’ll receive a Dishonorable Discharge”, or make some similar threat. These threats are Absolutely Not True.  MCO P1100.72C states that “If the interview and counseling session fails, and the individual insists on being released from the enlistment, the individual will be discharged as soon as possible”  (Page 273). The order also states that the discharge will be an “uncharacterized entry-level separation” NOT a Dishonorable Discharge (Page 274). This “Entry-Level Separation” will NOT show up on any civilian employment record, and will have absolutely no impact on your future employment. The only potential negative consequence of withdrawing from the DEP is that recruiters (including recruiters from other military branches) may be less willing to work with you, should you try to enlist again at a later date.

If your recruiter tries to threaten you with any sort of negative consequence, simply tell your recruiter that, according to DoD Directive 1332.14, “A person who is in the Delayed Entry Program may be separated… upon his or her request when authorized by the Secretary concerned.”, and/or that you’re aware that MCO P1100.72C states that your recruiter has to interview you, but that it also states that your recruiter has to discharge you on request.

When dealing with your recruiter, I would personally recommend having a copy of the DoD Directive (or at least pages 17-18) and/or MCO P1100.72C (or at least pages 273-274) so that you can directly quote the Directive or Order. This way you will be able to show your recruiter that you’ve done your research, and that you won’t be intimidated by his threats.

 

If you wish to verify this answer, the relevant information can be found on pages 17-18 of  DoD Directive 1332.14 under the heading “Separation from the Delayed Entry Program”, and pages 273-274 of MCO P1100.72C under the headings:  “Desire for Release or Intent Not To Report” (Page 273) and “Procedures for Discharge of Members of the DEP/SMCR Prior to IADT” (Page 274).

Additional information on withdrawing from the DEP can be found at the “GI Rights Hotline” Website.

Safety and Peace

NINJA_PUNCH

  • Jonathan

    Got out of the Delayed Entry Program earlier this year and feeling bad about doing so. Should I just stick with college? Did I save myself from an infinite amount of bullshit? Or should I reconsider and try to rejoin in the future? Any advice would be much appreciated.

    • S.

      Personally I think it’s a great idea to stick wit college. College will provide you with more than the military can ever dream to.

      But ultimately this is up to you man. If you really feel like you should drop college for the military, then go for it. Let us know what you think of it.

      • Jonathan

        Thanks guys. I’ll just stay with college seeing as being in the Marines really isn’t worth it down the road. But my reasons for joining were simple. Just wanted another way to pay for school and to feel like I had accomplished something great, and after a period of time doing some serious research and talking to others that have served (including yourselves), it seemed pointless and a waste of time.

        This site is full of useful and detailed info. You guys do a really good job. Anyone who is considering joining the Marines or other branch of the military should view some of this material.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I would agree with S. I recently finished up my first year of college, and i honestly think that I learned more in one semester of college than I did in 4 years of the marine corps.

      On top of that, the worst dorm rooms on my campus are still nicer than an average barracks room; and honestly, after 4 years in the marine corps, there are maybe three or four people who I care to keep in contact with; whereas, after one year of college, I’ve found dozens of people who I keep in contact with.

      As S said, ultimately, this is your choice, but I would strongly urge you to stick with college. You have definitely saved yourself from an infinite amount of bullshit.

      Safety and Peace

    • OldieButGoodie

      College. You can always go OCS when you get out. Don’t be charmed by the uniform, go USAF and be a pilot with that bachelors degree.

      • S.

        My man! This is a wonderful way to put this. I will be using this argument for now on. Thanks!

  • Joe Blow

    You’re doing a service. I wish I knew this information 25 years ago- it would’ve changed my life.

  • OldieButGoodie

    I ended up doing this with the Army DEP in 2003. I cited my horrific experiences in Marine boot camp as cause for not going back into a similar situation. I can tell you that nothing major happened, but later when I talked to an Air Force recruiter, I popped up in some system when they typed in my SSN at the recruiting office (MEPS processing, I guess) and they lost all interest in me immediately. The Army did threaten to charge me with “theft of services” for the hotel stay the night before you ship out. I laughed, as if someone would go to all the trouble of enlisting just for a free night at the Holiday Inn and a plate of overcooked eggs.

    • AbohorredByYouAll

      How may different services are you going to join and then quit? Can’t understand why the Air Force didn’t want you.

  • Jakelong

    If I cancel my Dep contract can I go to a different branch of the military?

    • S.

      I believe that you might even be able to have one of the other branches help with it. I remember when I was on recruiters assistance there were 4 branches all recruiting out of the same building. And they were always trying to steal each others recruits.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      My answer is: Maybe.

      It really depends on whether or not the recruiter from the other branch feels like you might back out on him too. If you drop of out the DEP, and you have a good alibi explaining why you dropped out (i.e. your recruiter told you that he could guarantee you an MOS, and then you found out that it wasn’t true. The alibi doesn’t necessarily have to be true, it just has to be something that sounds like a good reason), then the odds are pretty good that the other branches will talk to you.

      Safety and Peace

    • NinjaRecruiter

      Absolutely.

  • Goku6

    I joined the USMC DEP in 2003. The recruiter told me to lie to the people at MEPS about my medical history (I was on medication for a bad case of depression). At MEPS, I did just that, and they proceeded to sign me up, giving me the “food service specialist” MOS. I never wanted to be a cook, but they told me I could change my MOS anytime while in the DEP. Long story short, I stopped giving a fuck about the weekly poolie meetings, and was kicked out of the DEP. I never went to boot camp. I always respected and saw marines as badasses, therefore I always felt like I was less than a man for never becoming a marine. However, in retrospect, I believe this was a blessing in disguise; I am currently in college with plans to attend law school in the near future. I’m grateful I have the opportunity to do something worthwhile with my life, as opposed to being an uneducated animal employed by a military branch who doesn’t care if their employees live or die.

  • recruiting sucks

    As a former recruiter I will tell you that recruiters do not know any of these regulations. All they care about is that when they lose a poolee their stats suffer and they must contract a replacement. That is the driving factor behind all the BS they will throw at you when you want to leave the DEP. Best thing to do is politely tell the recruiter you have changed your mind and will no longer be attending pool functions. Ask for your discharge letter once your request is complete.
    The recruiter may try to protect his stats by ‘rolling’ your discharge several months down the road. This does not affect you in any way, nor does it hurt your chances for coming back should you change your mind.
    If you don’t show up on ship day, you’re seriously f’ing the recruiter and recruiting station. If you don’t want to be a Marine, that’s fine, best of luck with your future efforts. Just don’t be a douche and not give the Corps a heads up so that they can find a replacement shipper for your spot.

  • HOOAH-AIRBORNE

    I reject the idea that the military is full of “uneducated animals.” It is an entry level job, but the skills and experience I gained can’t really be taught from professors or textbooks. While I do indeed have a BA from a top state school, it really is just a piece of paper that allows me to check a box and apply to a different class of career/job options. Unless you’re one of the privileged who went to one of the Ivies or Stanford or the like, a BA/BS is just a piece of paper that gets your foot in the door. The military, on the other hand, is where I learned leadership practices, developed self discipline, learned to be part of a team and work as a productive member of a team, found out what I am made of, and really pushed my self to my physical and mental limits. There is a lot of BS you have to deal with, but for me the payoff has been worth every minute. I wouldn’t be in the career field I am in with out having a BA, true, but I also wouldn’t be in it without being a Honorably Discharged vet. Goku6 should also realize that here are different types of education. There is real world, which the military provides, and there is textbook/lecture, which college provides. In my opinion having both is a recipe for success. Having only one will not open as many doors as having both. Just look at many law schools. They ask on the application if you are a vet, because they WANT vets, at least the ones I looked do. So do some top MBA programs. The reason because these vets have that real world experience that these schools are looking for because they are the types of stu

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Judging by your handle, you’re prior army. That being said, since I don’t have first-hand experience of the army lifestyle I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say maybe what you’ve written is true of the army.

      What I will say though is that it would be very rare, and highly unusual for the type of leadership that you speak of to be found in the marine corps. In the marine corps, “leadership” means yelling, screaming, and generally throwing a temper tantrum when something doesn’t go your way. On paper, marine corps leadership has some very solid principles. In practice there is virtually nothing that the marine corps refers to as “leadership” that could carry over to civilian “leadership” in any reasonable respect.

      “Teamwork” in the marine corps generally means “taking credit for someone else’s work so I can get a promotion”, and “self-discipline” tends to take a back seat to alcoholism which far too often devolves into assault cases. The only realistic way to gain leadership experience in the marine corps is to take careful note of everything that NCOs and SNCOs call “being a leader” and then making deathly sure never to do any of those things.

      The “real world” education that is generally provided by the marine corps consists primarily of the lesson “Daddy will always be there to hold your hand every step of the way.” Even when you try to take initiative and do something more efficiently, your NCO/SNCO will be there to hold your hand and make sure you do it exactly the same way it’s always been done. No deviation – no matter how big of an improvement it may be – is tolerable. So I have to ask, is that really a skill that employers are looking for? Or are they looking for tax breaks and other federal incentives associated with hiring veterans? My money is on the latter.

      Lastly (and without trying to come off as condescending), I realize that in the world today a bachelor’s degree has been reduced to a basic requirement for hiring; however, I still maintain that – if you view your degree as nothing more than a “check in the box” you did it wrong. That degree is supposed to signify that you’ve learned mental skills, not least of which is critical thinking. It’s supposed to show that you’ve internalized much of what you’ve been taught and actually expanded your understanding of the world that you live in. So again I do not write this with the intent of being condescending, but if you view your degree as nothing more than a check in the box for getting a better job, you’ve done something wrong.

      Safety and Peace

  • HOOAH-AIRBORNE

    Continued from previous post. These are the types of students who can deal with the demanding schedule that law school and business school demand. How can a down on his luck, feeling sorry for himself individual succeed at these demanding programs? I’m not passing judgment on your admitted condition, just sharing what I think. Furthermore, whether I do an MBA or a JD, I’ll have less student debt than you and I’ll get hired before you will because I am a vet. I also think that you should take a real look at what you are actually capable of because if you quit so easily then law school probably isn’t for you. Think about it like this. You had a 3-4 yr commitment for the Corps and you quit. Maybe it was like you said and because of a MOS you didn’t want, but either way you did not follow through on a contract you signed. Nothing negative happened to you so good for you, but to bad for your sense of self efficacy. Law school for a full time student is 3 yrs and is a much more expensive, monetarily wise, commitment than is an enlistment. If you quit then, you will be any where from 10000- several tens of thousands of dollars in debt. Not to mention, a law degree isn’t what it used to be, if you’ve done your due diligence you’d know that law school applications are at record lows which has led to law schools having much smaller classes than usual. Bottom line, grow a back bone and follow through on something. You’re in school now, so I applaud you for that, but in your first year? You said 2003 was when you backed out of the Corps so what have you been doing for the past 7-9 yrs? Best of luck, but I hope you don’t get your resume pooled next to mine because you will lose.

    • S.

      You had a solid argument all the way until you told us all that your resume is better than ours, without even knowing who we are lol. Are you sure your resume would hold up next to mine? I am pretty confident too, but I am not going to tell everyone here that they suck compared to me.

      I am a strong believer that the military is easy, and that real life is what is hard. And to be fair, most people can care less if you served or not. In fact, a lot of employers actually avoid hiring vets because they are usually useless.

      • HOOAH-AIRBORNE

        You’ll notice that the direction of my post changed and was directed towards the previous post by Goku6 who said that he hasn’t served and is in his first year of college. So yes, my resume will be picked before his. Work on your attention to detail. I challenge you to post proof that employers avoid hiring Vets. Show me where you have found that info. Universities at both the bachelorette and graduate level are readily recruiting vets as are employers. That is why universities and head hunters are having school and job fairs geared towards vets. Look at any school website and you’ll see that it has a fair amount of resources dedicated towards the recruitment of vets.

        • S.

          Well, excuse me for misunderstanding. You’ll notice a nifty little reply button that you can use to reply to someone directly. Since you did not use that feature, I got confused. Work on your attention to detail. See? I can use that stupid passive aggressive insult too.

          Anyways. I am speaking from personal experience. One of the major complaints from most employers who will not hire vets is overconfidence and entitlement. And not being able to adapt to the civilian work environment.

          I did a quick search and came up with these resources.

          According to a report from the Center for a New American Security (CNAS) finds that annual unemployment rates for post-9/11 veterans averages one percentage point higher than that of non-veterans. The numbers for young veterans is even worse: Among departing military members between the ages of 22 and 24, the unemployment rate was, on average, 3 percent higher than for nonveterans of the same age. In 2009, unemployment for veterans of this group reached almost 22 percent.

          Report: http://www.cnas.org/files/documents/publications/CNAS_EmployingAmericasVeterans_HarrellBerglass.pdf

          Here is an article from va.gov on the report:
          http://www.blogs.va.gov/VAntage/7232/5-reasons-why-employers-are-not-hiring-vets/

          School resources and schools are not employers.

          Since you want to play the evidence game, I challenge you as well. Provide evidence that employers give a shit if you are a vet or not.

          Edit: Just for shits and giggles here is an AOL Jobs article about the same thing, but referencing a completely different study.

          Article: http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/11/11/employers-are-actively-recruiting-veterans/

          Career Builder Study: http://www.careerbuilder.com/share/aboutus/pressreleasesdetail.aspx?sd=11/8/2012&sc_cmp1=cb_pr724_&siteid=cbpr&id=pr724&ed=12/31/2012

          • HOOAH-AIRBORNE

            Didn’t feel the need to use the reply button because the whole post wasnt a reply, just the part that you missed. Those numbers and links prove nothing except that vets are having a difficult time getting employed. This could be for a myriad of reasons, the most likely of which is that many vets are already coming from populations that face higher than average unemployment rates historically, like the south. There is nothing in the information you provided that says that employers aren’t hiring vets, just that vets face a slightly higher unemployment rate than do non vets.

          • S.

            You did not acknowledge my challenge. Provide evidence to the contrary then.

            The only thing I know of that sort of supports what you are saying is that some companies hire vets (especially “service-disabled” vets) to take advantage of tax breaks. Thanks to NP for pointing that out to me.

            Source: http://www.independentsector.org/hiring_incentives_veterans_tax_credit#sthash.db5ql2vW.dpbs

            I posted two studies (and I took the time to actually read them) and withen 5 minutes to post back saying that they are bullshit. There is no way you actually read them guy.

            All I am seeing from you is this: http://www.howardforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=85252&d=1349246721

          • HOOAH-AIRBORNE

            You really do need to read my posts clearer. Never disputed the links you provided, just said that they don’t prove what I said as being in correct. Great that you read the studies, but try reading the post that you are replying to. There is indeed some interesting info in the one CNAS report, specifically the part on the why of businesses are not hiring veterans. In that section the report suggests that the biggest reason is the unknown of how a MOS translates to a civilian job. In addition to that, the previously mention part of the study also suggests that the intangibles, like leadership and like being able to dole out responsibilities and tasks, are the very things that help vets become worthwhile members of the private sector and public civilian sector. These are some of the very things I mentioned in my original post, if you read it you’d have seen that. Furthermore, the part that spoke of the negative stereotypes that veterans sometimes face links this misinformation to the media which sometimes reports on violent episodes that some vets go through. It also said that PTSD is part of the negative stereotype some vets face. It mentions nothing of them being seen as entitled or overconfident. Also, a sense of entitlement and overconfidence is not an issue with just vets. Unless you’ve been living under a rock, this whole generation that is coming into the work place is suffering from it.

          • S.

            I read your post very clearly. Saying that my links don’t prove anything is pretty much the same thing as disputing it. Here is the definition according to Google: “a disagreement, argument, or debate.”.

            Here is a link to provide evidence that that definition is indeed correct.

            https://www.google.com/search?q=dispute&oq=dispute&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l3j0l2.771j0j9&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

            So here we are again where you are just making stuff up to support an argument that does not hold up at all. And you have completely failed to provide any type of source for you claims. All you have accomplished here is say “I am right, you are wrong, I refuse to prove why”. That is a terrible way to prove your point.

            And speaking of not reading comments, I did not say that overconfidence and entitlement were in the article. I made sure to state that those particular issues are what I have noticed from personal experience.

            “Anyways. I am speaking from personal experience. One of the major complaints from most employers who will not hire vets is overconfidence and entitlement. And not being able to adapt to the civilian work environment.”

            Which brings us back to you just making shit up.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            You’re original claim: “I’ll have less student debt than you and I’ll get hired before you will because I am a vet.”

            Your second claim: “Universities at both the bachelorette and graduate level are readily recruiting vets as are employers.”

            Your third claim: “Those numbers and links prove nothing except that vets are having a difficult time getting employed.”

            Your first claim implies that veterans are getting preference for hiring everywhere they go. Your second claim reinforces this but adds that universities and employers are actively recruiting veterans. Then your third comment flips the script entirely and says that veterans are having a hard time getting jobs.

            Consider this: 21.2 million americans are veterans (Source: http://www.infoplease.com/spot/veteranscensus1.html ). That’s just under 7%. So, if we take a group of 100 Americans – statistically speaking – there will be 93 civilians and 7 veterans. Assume for a moment that all of these 100 are unemployed. If an employer hires one of those civilians, the civilian unemployment rate among that group will drop to just over 98.9%. If one of those veterans gets hired the veteran unemployment rate among that group will drop to less than 86%.

            If you scale that example up, it shows that it takes significantly fewer veteran hires to lower the veteran unemployment rate than it does to lower the civilian one. If employers were truly making an effort to hire veterans there’s simply no way that the veteran unemployment numbers could be higher than the civilian ones.

            Are you seriously proposing that companies are going out of their way to hire veterans and then going “Oh, but not YOU because you’re from [such and such socioeconomic group]”? What happened to that all-important “real world” experience that you said the military gives you? If you’re really going to make such a claim you’re going to need to do a LOT of research and interpretation of data to back that claim up.

            Lastly, if employers are already going out of their way to hire veterans, why did legislators need to pass laws specifically to give employers some incentive to hire veterans? (Source: http://www.independentsector.org/hiring_incentives_veterans_tax_credit#sthash.db5ql2vW.dpbs ) Could it possibly be that they were AVOIDING hiring veterans as “S_The_Mod” claims?

            Anyways, just food for thought, I don’t envy you your position in this debate you’re having with “S”. Honestly, I’m pretty sure you’re fighting a losing battle.

            Safety and Peace

          • S.

            Hey you’re making me look bad! I thought I was doing pretty good but then you had to jump in and NINJA_PUNCH him. Totally worth it though hahaha.

      • Former Marine

        What are useless is the people who want to get paid without working and that is few vets and more who are not. I know more non-vets who are useless.

        • S.

          A good amount of the people I served with are not working.

      • Amy Matherly

        Just please remember that these “useless vets” are the same ones that preserve your right to the freedom of speech to post such B.S.. I am a very proud vet and currently a nurse. I save peoples’ lives every time I go to work. So what do you do?

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Oh for pete’s sake… You’re on a site that’s run, and frequented, primarily by either active duty or veteran marines. The whole “we fight for your freedom” b.s. isn’t going to work here.

          Frankly, I’ll believe that the military is preserving our freedom when I see a troop put two through the chest of a congressman.

        • S.

          I can spew that crap too. I went to Iraq yata yata did my 4 years yata gave you your freedoms yata.

        • madmike1968

          we’re trying to make the military better while you wanna keep it the same. Besides did you serve in a combat unit or one that saw you spending most of your time in a air conditioned office?

  • WangChung

    Pussy bitches.

    • S.

      Intriguing. Care to elaborate?

    • FutureCivilian

      Oh look, a typical Marine.

  • lala_lucy

    Came across this thread and i kinda felt the need to share lol.. I’m a female and was supposed to ship out to PI on Sept. 9, but basically i backed out for a couple reasons.. one, i never fessed up to seeing a psych until the day at MEPS when they threaten every body about fraudulent enlistment. basically i ruined it for myself but as time has passed I think I did the right thing. I’ve changed my mind and basically realized that since I have 4 years of pre-paid college, i really don’t benefit from joining anyway. for a while i was feeling shitty knowing i was no longer going to “earn the title” but reading some of your guys’ replies helps me to see even more that there’s so much more to life than just being a pawn. (i.e. getting a degree and a good paying job that doesn’t take every other expense out of your freaking paycheck.) (im in school now) ok. end rant.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I’m glad to hear that you got the chance to make something out of your life instead of wasting years of your life in the marines. You most definitely did the right thing. Congrats.

      Safety and Peace

      • lala_lucy

        Thanks its great hearing someone who thinks like me, i feel better now 🙂

    • FailedToAdapt

      Yes, sleep soundly knowing that you will not be complicit in war crimes, you will not be treated as a subhuman, you will not get sexually assaulted by someone who is claiming to be your brother-in-arms (or sister-in-arms, because that happens too), you will not have to work with idiots all the time, and most importantly, you will have self determination and freedom. I think your mistake was a blessing in disguise.

      • lala_lucy

        Thanks for the reassurance, it helps more than you know. Since you know, the recruiters make it seem as though staying at home with your parents at 18 years of age while going to college is such a bad thing and “mediocre”. Thats literally what mine said to me over the phone when i told him

        • FailedToAdapt

          You are welcome. And I don’t just tell people these things to make them to feel better. Its the truth. Most of what I say is backed by empirical data. As for your recruiter, he wanted you to add to his body count, so he fudged/lied about the experience. The Corps may have been great at one time, but it is suffering severe morale problems currently–bad NCOs, cut benefits, fuckboy higher leadership, and draconian new rules.

          Staying home with your parents is the consequence of the economic downturn, you can’t do much to change that. However, college in many aspects will put you ahead of the game. I highly suspect this new vet hiring initiative reigning down from the Federal Government was put in place to save Obama and the Democrats politically because vets represent a significant demographic in our society. Otherwise, they would be sitting around doing nothing because of their lack of transferable credentials. In that regard, the “elite” SSgt Fuckface may have a leg up on your “mediocre” college degree once he gets his (if he gets his).
          The thing is about college is you can make it as interesting or uninteresting as you want. If you are dealt a poor hand in the USMC, you are screwed. You cannot change anything about it. Lat moves are unlikely and usually not available until first 2 years if I am not mistaken. Take crazy-ass classes, participate in outlandish things. Prove SSgt Fuckface wrong that college is mediocre.

          Anyways, have a good one.

          • Former Marine

            so you failed to adapt? really? I think you just wimped out. And it was not your fault was it? It was someone else’s fault right? You are the type of person who cant take responsibility for them self. You will wind up on welfare or in jail and the rest of us will wind up paying for you and you kids. You will never grow up.

          • USMCFormer

            OK I am guessing you are some type of Marine hardass- maybe a former senior enlisted. While I share your distaste at people who don’t follow through with their commitments, you shouldn’t take posts like this so damn personally, Nor should you act like a typical Marine- hotheaded, always jumping to conclusions, loud and dumb, and so brainwashed by the USMC.

            One of the reasons I got out was because I was tired of dealing with Jarheads. And quite honestly most 18 year olds really don’t know themselves or what they really want to do. If the law allows them to get out of DEP because they have changed their mind, why get so angry about it?

            And If this site had existed in 1992, I would have never joined the enlisted ranks, finished college and joined as an Officer. Why go through stupid and unnecessary bullshit if you don’t have to?

          • FailedToAdapt

            I left NROTC , DEP and I did well in the program. Not that NROTC bullshit was everything necessary to become a leader, but for the standard they set I did well. I became financially obligated to repay Uncle Sam after my sophomore year. Honestly, leaving the program was harder than staying. I had security: a scholarship, a stipend, and a guaranteed job out of college. The civilian world is shaky with a bad job market and expensive healthcare . However, I left because I came to the realization that the bureaucracy would force me to treat the men under my charge inhumanely and unfairly. I take full responsibility for the debts I owe to the Federal Government. I am not a burden on society like you assumed me to be. I actually am doing more for society out of the program the I was doing in it. NROTC kept me busy with a lot of kitty fuck-fuck games. I have time to do stuff for others.

            Former marine, I challenge you to build a better world for the people you swore to defend. I think that would align with being a true hero.

          • FailedToAdapt

            Not DEP*

  • Matt_mannn

    So, after reading everyone’s posts on here it sounds like I can get out of my DEP contract. This website helped a lot. I thought I wanted to go through with boot and my 4 years and everything. But I think the college life sounds a little more nice to me. I know my recruiter will give me a ton of bs, but I really will be able to get out of it?

    • S.

      You are not technically IN anything yet. It’s all a farce. Even after you are in bootcamp you can quit at anytime, although you have to be processed out which can take some time. If you don’t acknowledge anyone as anything other than another human being and ignore all the military customs, they have no power over you. It’s all bullshit.

  • jbone

    If you don’t want to go to boot camp its your life. Just have the balls to pick up the phone and call your recruiter

  • isaac

    I left my reserves contract on the 5th of january 2014. And im still waiting to get a letter or some notice that im out. Im joining the army now active duty and the USMC discharge is taking too long slowing my enlistment into the army down. Any ideas guys? On what I should do

    • hooyut

      Are you in the DEP for the usmc? if you haven’t even gone to boot camp its like you were never there, I dunno what you are waiting for.

      • isaac

        No I requested to leave. But I just havent gotten a letter yet. The army recruiter said he cannot work with me till otherwise. According to the usmc when I told the SSGT he said he’d get right to it but its more than 30days and im just stuck ahah

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Realistically, you dropped out of the DEP, that makes you low man on the totem pole as far as getting paperwork done is concerned. Your recruiters are more concerned with getting their quotas filled than in helping you (which is pretty much par for the course as far as what you could’ve expected if you had fully enlisted).

          No matter what you do, you’re going to be stuck waiting for them to get around to you. About the only thing you could really do to try to speed things up is call your recruiting office every day and bug them about it until they get tired of hearing you complain and actually get your paperwork done.

          Safety and Peace

          • hooyut

            Yeah it always makes things faster especially with this retarded organization to bug them about stuff. If I have something waiting/pending I ask every single day for an update, then when they say they will call I ask when I should return to find out the answer. You have to hound them. Call every morning about an hour after they open, call after lunch, and an hour before they close at minimum.

            That will annoy the hell out of them and they will fix themselves and get you unassociated with this clusterfuck. If they start ignoring your calls to their cells, call the office number, use random numbers, etc. Don’t give them space. By nature honorable marines don’t give a fuck about anyone but their lazy, selfish selves.

    • R.E.M.F.

      Isaac,

      I would not join the Army if I were you. That’s up to you. Read my reply to hooyut above to see why I am telling you this.

  • BeePer

    Someone please help me. I’ve been waiting for a dep discharge for 5 MONTHS!!!! I don’t know what else to do….. I have called my old recruiter many times and he keep saying, that I am discharged. According, to my other recruiter who was trying to get my info transferred to his system told me that, I’m still in the dep with the Marines(his request to transfer my info was denied by MEPS). I was suppose to be discharged since the 3rd of March, 2014. Is it still pending??? How long does it take after your discharge date??? Help please!!!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Do you have a phone number for someone else at your marine recruiting station? (Ideally, either your recruiter’s boss, or somebody at MEPS) If you call one of them up and tell them that your other recruiter says that you’re still in the marine system, and ask them to get you out of that system, they should get it done quicker than your recruiter has been doing.

      Give that a try, and if it works, you’re golden. If not, let me know and we’ll see if we can come up with something to help you out here.

      Safety and Peace

      • BeePer

        Thank you! I will give it a try.

    • R.E.M.F.

      Hello BeePer,

      Don’t let those recruiters fuck with you. (They’re like used car salesmen.)

      We have a law against “involuntary servitude” in our Constitution. They can’t make you serve against your will.

      You have nothing to worry about. Just keep working on getting your paperwork. They are NOT going to seize you in the middle of the night and take you to bootcamp.

  • Name

    So how does the moderator of the site try to hand out advice about the Marine Corps without serving 1 day as an active duty Marine or lead Marines in the fleet or in war. The Marine Corps Machine is far from perfect, but it’s flaws are the same flaws that exist in the outside world. Do your own research rather than listen to someone who is giving you a half truth from ONE point of view.

    • Knob_Gaudy

      Wow. You really DON’T know anything about the mods on this site. Not only that, but you start with that false ad hominem and your reasoning is vague. One point of view sure, but that’s because everyone else and their mother worship the Corps like an idol, thinking it does no wrong ever.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Your first mistake is assuming that there’s only one moderator on this site. There are a handful of moderators and all but one are active duty marines or marine vets, who have deployed to the middle east.

      If you’re so interested in my credentials, you can read up on me here: http://ihatetheusmc.com/forum/discussion/292/i-am-ninja_punch#Item_12

      To make a long story short, I was in for four years, and now I’ve been out for nearly two. Believe me when I say that the “flaws” in the outside world can barely be said to even resemble the flaws in the marine corps.

      That said, you did make one good point: People should do their own research instead of just taking our word for it. In fact I’ve compiled a list of questions specifically for potential recruits to ask to their recruiters (although anyone could ask them to any marine) to get a fuller picture of what life in the marine corps is really like. You should check out that list and see what you think: http://ihatetheusmc.com/questions-to-ask-your-recruiter/

      Safety and Peace

    • hooyut

      Who are you exactly? You come here to talk trash to all of us for what reason? You don’t like us calling your precious corps on all its bullshit? How about instead of you coming here trying to glorify the corps you start to think for yourself instead of continuing to be a pawn.

      Read War is a Racket by Major General Smedley Butler and educate yourself on this glorious idea of war that you so desperately want to be a part of. If you want to be a corporate run, criminal, imperialistic government’s pawn and slaughter people because their country sells oil in Euros rather than federal reserve notes, by all means go die so the rich can get richer.

      You know what the biggest part of my service was? I protected the CIA compound in Libya so that the Al Qaeda and US backed Syrian rebels could continue to execute Christians, children, and kill dozens of people with chemical weapons – all armed by the CIA. I should be a proud little marine shouldn’t I?

      Wake up, pawn.

      • R.E.M.F.

        Hooyut,

        EXCELLENT POINTS.

        What these stupid kids believe is that they are fighting for “democracy” and “freedom.”

        Shit – the only “freedom” you have in America today is to be unemployed and die of starvation. You don’t even have the right to EAT in this fucking country.

        Democracy? Your Presidential elections are bullshit.

        NEWS FLASH: The President of the United States appointed! Do you think, for one minute, that these billionaire capitalists would let a peasant have any say in their business enterprise?

        The esteemed “President” is a front-man, a “step-and-fetch-it” for Capitalist, Corporate interests. He is an easily replaceable cog in a sick machine. They know that going in.

        The “President’ will read the speeches they tell him to read, and he will damn will sign the bills they tell him to sign. Otherwise, it will be the “Kennedy Treatment” and these sell-out mother-fucker KNOW IT.

        That’s what happened to Ronald Reagan, that sick mother-fucker and 2nd rate B movie actor. They fucked up though, and missed. Ronnie got the message though, and quickly cleaned up his act.

        Obama is not only a sellout to America, but to his own black people. I have a lot of brothers who are my friends and they’ll tell you the same thing! He’s no better than any other dumb mudda-fukka that’s stunk up the White House for the last 100 years.

        Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and MARINES are “economic warriors.” These wars are run by CORPORATE INTERESTS to steal resources, expand markets, or both.

        The Military Industrial Complex makes BILLIONS off the deaths of innocent civilians and U.S. military men through war. Their business is war. War is about the using up of resources. What would an armaments manufacturer do without war? They’d have no profit, that’s what. They operate war as a for-profit business… while silly, stupid mother-fuckers on the ground DIE FOR CAPITALIST PROFIT.

        Brainwashed Marines are just fine with the MILLIONS of innocent men, women and CHILDREN murdered by these psychos. Over 1 million in Iraq alone, and that’s not even scratching the surface.

        I know tons of Veterans. Guess what? They started out as American Flag Waving Kids in the 1960’s. Know what they are now? RED FLAG WAVING SOCIALISTS.

        It’s gonna be REAL FUCKIN INTERESTING to watch what happens. I only wish I was a young now, instead of an angry and bitter old man.

        If these gung-ho mother-fuckers only knew. This country, the CORPORATE STATES OF AMERICA is a capitalist nightmare in the stage of IMPERIALISM. This is the the beginning of the END of the United States of America.

        I guarantee you, in 40 years there will be NO United States. It will be the Socialist Republic of North America.

        • FailedToAdapt

          Just curious, are you advocating socialism or condemning it?

          • R.E.M.F.

            I AM ADVOCATING SOCIALISM. With my red T-shirt on and my fist in the air!

          • FailedToAdapt

            I can dig that.

          • Knob_Gaudy

            I don’t know about socialism, don’t we hate the military institutions because of their communal group think no private initiative mentality? Mind you I hate the corporate oligarchic capitalism, but still

          • FailedToAdapt

            Lets start a thread about this!

          • FailedToAdapt

            Thread is up.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            I don’t think that socialism is necessarily related group think. At it’s most basic, the idea is that people should act in the benefit of the group. Granted that’s a gross over simplification and there is a lot of variety in socialist thinking, but it still is one of the most basic tenets. So if members of the group see a way to improve the group as a whole, they should try to bring about the necessary change.

            I guess in a very basic sense this site could be very compatible with socialism.

          • R.E.M.F.

            Socialism, simply put, means this:

            PEOPLE over PROFIT

            As a Socialist, I think it is criminal to make a profit off of things like food, medical care, and education. These, in my view, are human RIGHTS that no one can live without.

            Every citizen has the right to:

            GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT
            A DECENT HOME
            MEDICAL CARE
            SECURITY IN OLD AGE
            PEACE

            EXAMPLES:

            1) Capitalists say:

            This food costs this much. You don’t have enough money? Well, starve then.

            A Socialists says:

            We are going to work together, as a community, to make sure everyone has enough nutritious food to eat and we are not going to turn a profit on it.

            2) Capitalists say:

            You don’t have money for your education? Well, the world needs ditch-diggers, too! Or you can go into about a quarter of a million dollars debt for your education loan. That way, we will OWN YOU for good.

            Socialists say:

            Education is free to all citizens, as much education as the individual can bear.

            3) Capitalists say:

            You don’t have health insurance? Well, sorry you have that cancer. It is curable but if you can’t pay you will just have to die.

            Socialists say:

            Nationalized health care is free to all citizens. We will, through our free education system, produce the most talented medical staff to care for our population.

            4) Capitalists say:

            Run out of money? Just charge it on our credit card… the interest is only 30%. Can’t pay it back? We’ll put it on your credit report and you’ll never get hired for a job again.

            Socialists say:

            The nation will invest in our home industries, and create as many jobs as possible. We will create a situation where you won’t need much money to live at all.

            Quick summary:

            We were fighting the wrong people during the Cold War, gentlemen.

            I know a man from the old DDR. (German Democratic Republic – East Germany – “The Commies.”) He now lives in the unified Germany. Guess what? The majority of Germans who lived in the East WANT THE DDR BACK!

            There was NO UNEMPLOYMENT, NO HOMELESS, FREE MEDICAL, GENEROUS PENSIONS FOR THE ELDERLY and above all…

            HAPPINESS and a feeling of kinship with all people! You see my friends, there is more to life than video games, fancy cars, porn, etc. Those things have divided and distracted Americans for a long time. By design, I might add.

            Something to think about.

        • hooyut

          Unless those of us brave enough to protect our freedoms from tyranny can band together in time and not fall because of fickle sheeple.

          There is still a chance, the men who would stand against tyranny in the military, the men who would turn in all the branches/arms of the government, we citizens who the phrase, “a gun behind every blade of grass” can still be applied to, all those who are not too far indoctrinated and can come back, and finally all of us who have been inside the machine and made it out alive can still save the idea of freedom.

          Like V said, “Ideas are bulletproof”.

    • S.

      Guy who created this bitch, here. Fortunately, we have a whole team of mods and bloggers, all with different experiences and backgrounds from the military. 1 person in this team happened to back out of the DEP, and I deemed that to be somebody definitely worth having with us due to their unique experiences, as the rest of us are vets and currently enlisted. Having someone who backed out of the DEP speak with other kids in the DEP is very useful when trying to get their attention. Recruiters do the same shit with boots fresh out of bootcamp.

    • free_bird

      Fuck you, you fucking Motard. Go edge dress your shoes and IP your nasty uniform fag!

      • S.

        I doubt he/she knows what you mean. Sounds like a poolie.

  • ghosthawk2222

    see im trying to get out because i got accepted to a college and i was going to enlist with another branch and my idiot recruiter told me that it would look bad on my job resume and that my mother, (this made me laugh because he was on speaker phone and my mom was listening) wanted me to be a marine. well fuck them. i sent a letter to the recruiting commander and to the congressman for my area so if they want to fight let them try. it will get bloody and i will win.

    • free_bird

      Fuck em, Marines are all talk and no action. Nothing will happen to you. Most Marines are lying dirty scoundrels that will bark all day but never bite. Enjoy your life as an American. Enjoy your freedoms and never look back.

      • ghosthawk2222

        i try not to talk to them but they call me, my mom, and her boyfriend and come up to my school so its kind of hard to ignore them. like i said i sent a letter to the recruiting commander. but that requires 30 days and i have the annnual poolee function next week. i gonna ditch that and if they kick me out oh well
        P.S im ghosthawk2222 i just couldnt login

        • free_bird

          Move to another state. Disappear for a while.

          • S.

            This is the exact opposite of how we should be trying to help people here.

        • FailedToAdapt

          No, you don’t have to move another state. Threaten the recruiter by saying you will have harassment charges pressed on the man. That should make him leave you alone.

          • free_bird

            Yeah, but he doesn’t seem to have the balls to do that. He seems to get intimidated easily by lies.

          • S.

            We need to be nicer to the people asking for help. Saying things like this not only does not help the person currently asking, but it most likely will discourage others to ask for help as well.

          • free_bird

            You’re right. Im sorry.

          • S.

            Thanks for understanding my friend.

          • ghosthawk2222

            just so you know im not intimidated by his lies its just that i havent a fucking clue how to deal with this

          • S.

            Hey don’t worry about that guy. The rest of us don’t think these things.

          • S.

            Thanks man, I am not sure what is up with free_bird lately.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          One thing you could do is call up your recruiter and let him know that if he comes anywhere near you, your mother, or her boyfriend, you will be filing a restraining order on him. If a recruiter gets a restraining order… it’s kind of a big deal in the marine corps. He’ll either disappear from your life very quickly, or his marine corps career will be over very quickly.

      • NotinMy Corps

        I’d like to see you go tell a marine but he is nothing but a lying dirty scoundrel I would love to see you walk away with your face bloody your know was broken and teeth down your throat. Marines Dylan on or something you obviously know nothing about my guess is that you were not excepted you didn’t cut it in basic training

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Thank you for proving his point. You did so most eloquently. You and I both know that the only thing a marine would do is start waving a knife hand around and throwing a hissy fit about how you’re not standing at parade rest.

          You can stop acting hard now. No one is buying it.

        • usmc_to_usaf

          See him walk away with blood on his face, and broken teeth, if he said that to a Marine? You sure the big bad Marine wouldn’t be walking away with cuffs on his hands, taken into an MP’s car? See if he’s not in (or even if he was still in) I’m pretty sure Assault and Battery is a crime.

    • hooyut

      Trying? All you have to do is make the conscious decision to simply never communicate with your recruiter again. You are not a marine, you are not being paid, you have control of your life. Like I said, all you have to do is simply not talk to your recruiter again, voila! You’re no longer involved with the united states day care corpse.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      You don’t have to put it on your resume or anything. Just stop talking to your recruiter, and you’re done.

  • ghosthawk2222

    ok so seriously how do i get out of the annual poolee function friday and saturday other than ditch school early and hide out at home till sunday?

  • ghosthawk2222

    ok so how do i get out of the annual poolee function friday and saturday with out using a death in the family excuse or hiding at home?

    • S.

      Step 1. 10 minutes before you are supposed to be there, relocate your person to the room in your house with a video game console.

      Step 2. Turn on the video game console.

      Step 3. Initiate and begin to play video game on video game console.

      Step 4. Continue to play video games for several hours.

      • ghosthawk2222

        well he was suppose to pick me up imediatly after school but being 18 i can sign myself out early and dissapear.

        • S.

          Are you no longer interested in joining? If so, you should let them know and tell them to not bother you any further about it. If they persist, threaten to get a restraining order and tell his superiors.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      S has it covered. You don’t have to go if you don’t want to. There’s no legal obligation for you to go.

    • free_bird

      Hey ghosthawk, I believe I owe you this. I got the ultimate solution for the recruiters and they will leave you alone, seriously. Tell them you did some research and tell them you decided to join the ARMY.

  • ghosthawk2222

    thanks for the help everyone. now i know what to do

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Good, I’m glad. If you need anything else just let us know.

  • Emily Gorsuch

    Now, how do you obtain a copy of your discharge order? My husband was in the dep program, got out, and is now trying to join the army. The army recruiters are little help due to interbranch communications.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      If you or your husband has the phone number to the MEPS he went to, you should be able to call the MEPS and ask someone there for a copy of his discharge order. As with anything military-related, you might have to hound them a bit.

      • Emily Gorsuch

        Thank you! We’ve been waiting almost 3 months now to get a call back from someone in Quantico to get his discharge order. We’ll friendly give meps a call.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Alright. If that doesn’t work, let me know and we can try to figure something out.

  • NotinMyCorps

    You do not have what it takes to serve in the Corps. I watched little girls like you cry themselves to sleep at night in basic. The Marines will let you break DEP they do not deal in little girls only men. You do not deserve the title!!!!!

    • usmc_to_usaf

      Is that a fact…? Yet why is it that when many young men who don’t think they are cut out for “your corps” gets sweet talked to death by their Recruiters? Why do Recruiters work with out of shape people who clearly aren’t a fit for the military?

      • bootasfuck

        I think Twisted Sister said it best:
        “I’m just another number. Something just ain’t right”

        • usmc_to_usaf

          When meeting my Air Force Recruiter, you can already notice a huge difference in the way he acts. He’s much more professional, I almost never heard him cuss, and not overly enthusiastic about getting you in. I from time to time visit the DEP meetings they have on Drill weekends, and the big difference you can see from the DEP members is that they all aren’t motards! Lol I mean sure a lot of them are excited about getting in, but not to the point to brag over everywhere.

    • fieldradiohater

      This will brighten your day sir

      http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=8130845

    • Fuck

      What do you mean when you say “have what it takes?”

      All it takes to be a Marine is to have the inability to think, and to have been brainwashed all your life.

      I was in the Marines 40 years ago. I was surrounded by COWARDS and physically WEAKLINGS who joined because they knew what they were and thought the Marine Corps would change them.

      The Marine Corps doesn’t make a “man” out of anyone. The people who do well in the Corps are the little, subservient punk-ass bitches who take the shit. They have no personal pride, they are useless in the civilian world and the Corps.

      So flush out your head gear, jarhead! You should watch the documentary “Anybody’s Son Will Do.” You can find it on YouTube. Learn something.

      Also – stop thinking you are “the shit” and find out what you really are.

    • jim

      The Honor of the Corp? Marines are the biggest braggers and liars on this earth and live off the taxpayers dime.
      They strut around like robots but when the chips are down they run. If my family were to get involved with a lying recruiter I would have a senator or his behind and mighty fast.

  • jphil

    The idea that you’re making threats over people wanting to back out of something they dont feel sure about does nothing but reassure the idea that it’s not a good thing to enlist in. Prick.

  • d

    doucebag

  • FUUSMC

    can someone please help me to convince my friend to get out while he still can i’ve warned him before but he just didn’t listen and i’ve shown him several stories from this site and he still doesn’t listen so please i really need you to help me to get him to get out so he doesn’t waste 4+ years of his life with this bullshit

    • S.

      It’s one of those things where more often than not, the harder you try to convince someone to not do something it makes them want to do it more. I have found that the best method for maximizing counter-recruiting efforts is to put as much info on the internet as possible so people can DISCOVER it on their own.

      Basically, based on my experiences I have found that people are more likely to consider another perspective of the military when they find out for themselves.

      With that said, I still understand the desire to try. My best argument off the top of my head is to consider the sheer amount of people that contribute to this website. If the corps was not really so fucked up, then this website would most likely not exist and would not have so many active users. He have easily hit around 2 million unique visitors over the past 4 years. That’s an average of 500k people a year.

  • Doug

    Hey guys, I just got back from my RC after telling my recruiter, and his boss that I no longer want to be in the DEP. Im going to finish my AAS degree and enjoy my life to its fullest. Just thought I’d thank you guys for setting me back on the right path.

    • S.

      Good call dude! Thanks for letting us know we helped you.

  • Justin

    A year ago I joined the USMC dep. Months before my ship date I told my recruiter that I was no longer interested. I sat down with him and talked but still wanted out. He then said that he would not call his boss to let him know. So I left. Now that I’ve been in the dep for over a year, im wanting to know if I have been dropped or discharged from the program? I have had no contact with the recruiter and don’t intend to.

    • S.

      You’re good man. All you have to do is not show up. They probably still have a file on you though. If that bothers you (it would bother me), then go to them and demand they destroy it in front of you.

      • Justin

        Thank you so much. If they still have a file on me what can they do with it? Does it prevent future plans of me joining another branch?

        • S.

          They can’t really do anything with it. Deciding not to join the marines should not affect trying to join another branch. I guess it depends on the recruiter. I’m sure many would agree you made the right choice. Recruiters try to steal recruits from each other all the time man.

  • Revan21

    So I have a question before I went to meps I stated I wanted a 4 year contract( I know about the 8 year total with some of inactive) and also asked for I can’t remember the legit code but rifleman mos anyway I get to meps do all that bullshit and they tell me I have an 8 year active duty contract are they also adding the other 4 years of inactive? My recruiter isn’t much help he legit says what all the recruiters you hear about say to a fucking T also at meps they never gave me an mos? Granted I didn’t look at the contract cause I’m a retard but I’m a poolee now but haven’t had a meet yet my first one is in a couple weeks but I’m having doubts because well I know marines an know majority come back brainwashed fucks anyway did I get fucked with an mos or do I still get to pick my recruiter did state that he has to check which ones were available but that was months ago

    • freeatlastfreeatlast

      You could be misunderstanding them, or they could be trying to fuck you over. You still have every right to back out of your contract right now, regardless of what they tell you. You need to schedule a meeting with your recruiter as soon as possible and go over your contract and make sure that you have a 4 years active, 4 years inactive active duty infantry contract. I don’t know if Marine contracts allow for specification to 0311, but you need to ensure that at least your spot in infantry is assured if you want to go that rout. Remember, regardless how friendly that recruiter is right now, he is not your friend in the sense that he won’t fuck you over to make quota. You are signing away 4+ years of your life, you should be certain that you’re going to be spending it the way you want to before it’s too late to do anything about it.

      • Revan21

        Yeah once this snow clears up I’ll have a sit down since he’d most likely lie over the phone lol this site has helped a lot cause I’m have serious doubt’s about what I wanna do in life and I’m 5 months away from turning 20 just conflicted really

        • freeatlastfreeatlast

          I’m glad this site’s helped, being there in person will also allow you to physically view your contract. All said, my standing position is that the Military can be a benefit in people’s lives, but it has to be done correctly. If your reason for enlisting is that you don’t have anything else to do with your life, I don’t think the Marines is the way for you to go. The other branches offer better quality of life, more assured contracts, better promotional opportunities, and better access to both off and on duty education. You may be joining the Marines out of a sense of taking the difficult road less traveled and being the better for it, but I can say from experience that places in which the Marine Corps lives up to its reputation as an elite organization are few and far between.

          If you’re dead set on the Marine infantry, you’re going to have to go all in to get to a unit that has that elite feel to it. When you’re in SOI, they’ll ask who wants to try out for RECON. While RECON’s been getting the short end of the stick budget-wise, it’s had a steady flow of support from HQMC because it’s always under the command of a Marine Officer. If you make it into RECON, life is much similar to how most people envisage the Marine Corps. As opposed to your average mainline grunt unit, which can get pretty gay pretty quick and has a knack for doing so often.

          Also, when you schedule the meeting and go in, don’t act like the recruiter’s trying to fuck you over. Just keep the fact that that’s a very possible thing in the back of your mind and be courteous but firm. If it turns out that you’re locked into a contract you didn’t want, tell them that you’re either getting the contract you had agreed on or you’re leaving. This article will walk you through getting out of the Marine DEP. Through all of it, remember that the recruiter is not your friend, and should be seen instead as the recruitment officer of a ship bound for America in the 1800s. You’re signing on as an indentured servant on this ship in exchange for passage. Your time on this ship can be rough or not so bad, depending on the decisions you make now.

          • Revan21

            So I just talked to my recruiter and he said no infantry or mp were open so hes putting me down as an open contract till something opens up…uh should I be a little sketched out lol he said he HAD to write something down I just dont want be fucked over and be a cook or some shit. (His exact words were I just dont want you to get fucked over but an open contract isnt bad you might get luck of the draw.)

          • freeatlastfreeatlast

            Fuck the hell no! It’s the contract you agreed on upon entering the DEP or nothing! This is exactly what I’m talking about, “oh, I don’t want you to get fucked man, you’re my favorite poolie”. “Let me put you down for open contract motivator, you’ll still be infantry, just be motivated in boot camp”. Four months later you find out that he lied to you and tough shit, you’re stuck doing something you didn’t know existed before you joined for the next four years. Granted, most of those years will be spent cleaning regardless your MOS, but still, you have no say in what you’re going to do with your own life.

            Make it clear that you’re not going to ship open contract, and that you’re either going to have the 4 year active infantry contract in writing or you’re going to a different branch that keeps its promises and offers better opportunities. Or don’t bother with the Military at all; this is a perfect example of what you are to the people placed over you: you’re a means to an end for this guy. God damn this shit pisses me off. It’s the exact same fucking shit that happened to me!

            Christ. Don’t be snarky with him, just make it clear that you joined the DEP expecting the 4 year active duty infantry contract, and that you will not ship open contract. Be open with the fact that you’re seeking out other options with the different branches, and start reaching out to the different recruiters to see what they have to offer you. Be respectful, you don’t want him to spread the word around the office that you’re just some punk that breaks his word. Be clear about your situation with the other recruiters of the different branches, and explore your options. Don’t listen to the Marine recruiter’s insistence that those other branches are for pussies and that you’re being a coward for checking them out, and the Marines are the men of the military and all that shit. He promised you a job and has gone back on it expecting you to be a dumb ass and not check up on it before shipping out. This is on him, not you, to make good on what he promised you.

          • Revan21

            Thats what I’m thinking granted I’m a real quite and kinda shy person so he might just be trying to pull a fast one to get another number lol I am half tempted to just look into this college that keeps calling me instead of getting fucked the next 8 years I’ll glady take the 70 grand a year job that comes with my degree

          • FoxtrotTangoNovember

            I’d say that’s your best move. Good luck, Revan21.

          • Revan21

            Thanks man lol

          • Texas01

            I am amazed that 23 years later, these maladjusted, socially inept recruiters are still selling
            their incredible line of bullshit. If being a Marine is so damn great, then why
            is there a need to feed potential recruits with so many lies and
            misconceptions? The ironies within the Corps are endless. When I enlisted,
            (probably well before you were born Revan), my best friend’s father (who I
            considered to be a surrogate father) pleaded with me not to join the Marines in
            such haste. He had gone through MCRD in 69’ or 70’ and served in the reserves
            for six years and despised it. I remember telling him, “Surely things have changed
            over the years” and his reply was, “The Marines never change”. Unfortunately,
            we didn’t have the internet during those days…thus, there was no YouTube or
            incredibly useful blogs such as this one to aide a potential recruit in giving
            due diligence in researching what will be a life altering decision. The only
            other information that was readily available was a propaganda film (on VHS no
            less) created by the Marine Corps, pimping their bravado without shame.

          • Revan21

            Yeah I told my recruiter and he’s feeding me the whole better benefits speech but due to blind luck or what I just found out I have a jaw joint disorder and im not going to keep lieing to medical just to get fined down the road lol

          • Bubbafett

            I agree with freeatlastfreeatlast. There open contract is a 50-50 chance at best for you. Either you get something you want or you don’t. Infantry has the highest turnover rate of any MOS in the Corps. It’ll be worth to wait for a spot.

  • Guest

    Years ago, when I got out with an ELS, we were given a lecture that if asked we by law have to say that we were in the military. Two questions I have regarding that: 1, is that true? And 2, if I’m filling out an application that has you make a check mark in the “what kind of discharge”, what do I put? The only boxes I ever see are Honorable, General, Other, Bad, and Dishonorable.

    • S.

      You don’t have to say shit. You can fib here and there on your resume as well just to fluff it up a bit.

      Source: I hire people.

      • Guest

        Maybe I should’ve been more specific, say you’re going to work for a place that actually does conduct fairly thorough background investigations. I know an ELS/admin discharge MIGHT have an impact on getting hired with the federal government, but what about going to work for a state/local government (i.e. Sheriff’s department)?

  • Revan21

    So I told my recruiter im dropping out and everything and now he says I need to come up and talk to his Co, and fill out paperwork or itll look bad on my record im only asking because I live 2 hours away and I dont want to waste all that gas if I dont have to go

    • USMCnever

      Now is the time to really dig your heels in, because this guy won’t be pleased about losing one from his quota, and probably won’t hesitate to collude with his CO to use any trick he can to get you to ship. Remember, he only gives a shit about his monthly quota- he doesn’t give a shit about YOU!
      My strong suggestion- do not meet with him face to face again, and if you have to take an older adult with you who is on your side!
      Call him and say that he either fax or e-mail any residual paperwork to your address (in the 21st century there is no need to drive two hours to have a meeting!!) and be sure to demand from him what “record” he is referring to! You can electronically review all documents that he allegedly wants you to fill out, and decide whether its really necessary to do so.
      You have the information listed above. Let me just say that you are damned lucky this information and forum exists to save you from a potential four years of wasted time.
      Be sure to put more thought and preparation into the next thing you move on to.

      • Revan21

        Yeah just called again and laid into me pretty good and basically said I wont amount to anything without the marines (in somewhat nicer but douchey way) but its all good I can move on and I gotta say this site helped me save 8 years of my life

        • USMCnever

          Well- if he going to be rude to you, the next time your near his recruiting office walk in and demand that he hand over all the paperwork he has on you and/or shred it right in front of you!

          Let him know this web site exists and that former Marines fucked him out of a recruiting quota!!

          You will amount to something without the Marine Corps- just believe in yourself, do the due diligence and above all don’t let anybody take advantage of you!

          I’m glad you avoided the the trap.

          • Revan21

            Lol it just amazes me on the whole cliche line he spun out to me, mere minutes before saying well stay in your crappy town and dont join the marines where you will find your passion and live a better life than you would without joining

          • S.

            Just imagine the belittlement you would receive if you became government property. Good for you for realizing the corps is not for you and backing out. Stand your ground with that recruiter and don’t let him passive aggressively talk down to you. You owe him nothing.

  • StillintheFight

    Here’s my $.02 regarding leaving the DEP…take it or leave
    it.

    -The Marine Corps, regardless how you feel about it, is your
    potential employer. Giving the courtesy
    of notice is the right thing to do, so don’t just “quit showing up.” Tell your recruiter, his/her SNCOIC, or
    anyone at the Recruiting Station headquarters.

    -Not all recruiters are “lying douchebags.” Some are good people trying to do their jobs
    the right way. If they treat you with
    respect, do the same.

    -If your recruiter is disrespectful with you trying to leave
    the DEP, call/email/send a letter to the SNCOIC. If the SNCOIC is disrespectful,
    call/email/send a letter to the Recruiting Station CO or SgtMaj.

    -At the end of the day, the more advanced notice you can
    provide before your ship date, the better.
    If you think it’s cool to screw your recruiter, look at it this
    way: some member of the DEP, from your substation
    or not, is going to ship in your place.
    Finding out on Sunday that you’re shipping on Tuesday instead of three
    months from now is a terrible way to start.
    If you want to be unprofessional and not provide early notice because
    you don’t like your recruiter, at least think about the next guy.

    -There’s a lot of talk on here about residual or paper
    records and demanding to see that it be shredded, etc. There’s a record maintenance requirement, so
    the Recruiting Station will keep hard copies of your file for a required number
    of years. It will be in a locked drawer
    in a locked file room an destroyed after the correct number of years. Most Recruiting Stations have contracts with
    office paper shredding services, so it’ll be done the right way. Regardless, your entire record exists electronically
    between scanned documents and typed database forms, so don’t waste your time
    trying to see anything destroyed. It can
    all be reprinted in five minutes.

    -If you decide to leave the DEP, you can go one of three
    ways: in favor of, neutral to, or
    opposed to the Marine Corps for the rest of your life. As you march on, just remember that you, in
    fact, never served, and your experience with the two to seven Marines you’ve
    interacted with in the DEP may or may not be indicative of the larger
    organization (for better or for worse).

    -There’s no good reason for recruiters to rely on
    intimidation tactics. If you’re leaving
    the DEP to go to a two-year college to transfer later to a four-year college
    and you don’t have any money, your recruiter is going to tell you your plan
    sucks…because it does. But, if your
    recruiter tells you you’ll never amount to anything, the Marine Corps was your
    ticket to a better life, etc., etc., etc., it’s theatrics because he/she doesn’t
    have a better response. The good
    recruiters will continue to speak factually.

    -On that last one, let’s face it – for some of you reading
    this, the Marine Corps is a good option for you. And, the good recruiters see that for what it
    is. Those guys/gals will be passionate
    about sending you to boot camp. If the
    shoe fits…

    -If you’re leaving the DEP because of what you read on this
    website or because of what you were told by someone else, share that
    information with your recruiter. The bad
    ones will get mad, come on here and rant, and continue to make a fool of
    themselves. The good ones will respect
    your research, attempt to rediscover your initial motivation to become a
    Marine, and recognize when you’re too far gone to bring back in – and they’ll
    leave you alone.

    -It’s important to remember that any recruiter, his/her
    chain of command, and most importantly, the taxpayers funding your trip to boot
    camp, would rather that you discharge from the DEP than from recruit
    training. If you’re not going to see it
    through for the next four years, don’t start the journey.

    Hope this helps…or if not, at least offers some things to
    think about.

    • StillintheFight

      **I left one out that relates to Revan21 below: There is no discharge paperwork. You never have to go into the office again. BUT, a good recruiter would drive out to pick you up, even if you lived two hours away.

      • Revan21

        Yeah he keeps telling me there is and he wants me to come up Friday I asked him if there was a way ti bypass me driving 2 hours but he says nope I made a commitment and my name is on alot of paperwork

        • S.

          He is lying. Tell him to go fuck himself.

          • Revan21

            I’ve done more research than this site( I still believed you guys lol) And I told him like ive talked to other marines and read about the process and they all say no paperwork, he hasnt texted back since but im not stupid I know he just wants me in his office if I was closer than 2 hours sure I would but thats a 4 hour round trip just to say hey still not joining

          • USMCnever

            Just refuse to show up and direct him to this web page, with reference to the Orders listed above.
            He’s displaying typical Marine behavior, thinking he can bark out orders and they will be mindlessly followed- demanding that you drop everything else and do what’s convenient for him.
            Stand your ground Revan21- you are not under his control!!
            Thanks for the updates, because its satisfy for those of us who were used and abused by the USMC to know that you have been saved!

          • StillintheFight

            His job (and obligation per the above orders) is to discuss why you want to discharge and ensure you’re making an informed decision. If he’s not willing to come to you, don’t drive four hours.

    • USMCnever

      “There’s a record maintenance requirement, so the Recruiting Station will keep hard copies of your file for a required number of years”.It will be in a locked drawer in a locked file room an destroyed after the correct number of years.”
      And what really is the sense in doing that? If someone discontinues, why not destroy the record after a month? And if electronic copy exists, you keep it solely for the purposes of trying to deny such individual an opportunity to do something else later?
      An antiquated and outdated system like that is rampant for identity theft!!
      You’ve offered a different viewpoint, but its based on the supposition that a recruiter will be just, fair and do the right thing. Unfortunately, the reality isn’t like that.
      Its best not to sign anything or commit to DEP in the first place.

      • S.

        I think he brings good insight to this topic and provides solid advice to poolies with questions. I believe there are good hearted recruiters, but I also believe that being a military recruiter in the first place is pretty slimy.

        • USMCnever

          Fine, but it still doesn’t address the issue about why you would keep personal details on someone who was no longer contractually obligated to you for years- even if it existed in electronic form. The potential for abuse is enormous!
          In almost every area the Marine Corps lags behind private businesses, and Recruiting/ administration would be no exception.
          I’ll concur with you in that I’m sure there are currently recruiters who didn’t want to be recruiters in the first place. These poor choices of B billet is one of the many reasons I didn’t end up reenlisting.
          But personally I have no sympathy for these assholes- I’m happy to make their job more difficult!

          • S.

            Like he said. They can just print another copy.

          • StillintheFight

            I’d offer that you should probably check with your high school and every former employer. There is some form of a record still there, and that record includes your personal details. Also, I don’t know how long ago you got out, but you might want to plan a trip to St. Louis if this concerns you. http://www.archives.gov/st-louis/military-personnel/

            As for the recruiting force keeping records, not everyone who leaves the DEP does so because they’re an upstanding, educated young person in search of higher education. Some go on to join other services, and it’s required for them to disclose that they were once in our DEP. When the Air Force recruiter walks or calls next door to confirm the story and why they discharged, the Marine recruiter can now tell them factually. In other cases, people enter the USMC DEP on waivers, leave the DEP, and then go try to join another service that doesn’t accept those waivers. When the other recruiter calls to confirm, the USMC recruiter can then ensure the appropriate information is relayed. In worse cases, former members of the DEP become felons and other things. When that happens, the Marine Corps has to be able to explain any affiliation; records permit that.

            In almost every area, the federal government lags behind private businesses. We can improve that by paying more in taxes. Your call.

            And you’re right – I’d guess at least 25% of current recruiters were “volun-told” after being selected by the HQMC Special Duty Assignment Screening Team. http://www.marines.mil/News/Messages/MessagesDisplay/tabid/13286/Article/173009/special-duty-assignment-sda-selection-and-slating-process.aspx

          • USMCnever

            I respect the fact that you offer an informed opinion and balanced advice- devoid of any hotheaded and reactionary insults, which tends to be rare in Marines
            But that doesn’t change the fact that with my own personal experience with a recruiter, he attempted to steal money from me, and was only found out after I’d graduated boot camp. It took months to get any form of justice on that issue btw
            Are all Recruiters like that? Probably not- but it is wise to very wary of them.
            Higher taxes= a more efficient Military? That’s a bunch of crap and you know it!!
            And I pose the question- given that the military is facing austerity measures, why do away with the monthly quota system and just put send say 8 recruits per Recruiter per year, (or variable depending on boot camp cycles) but that smaller number would be of a higher standard, rigorously screened, and fully prepared even before they ship? Quality vs quantity, which would relieve some of the pressure on Recruiters to make monthly mission.
            You write as a professional, but from my own viewpoint, I still advise people who ask me to consider other options other than joining. The USMC is not the be all and end all.

          • StillintheFight

            You make an extremely valid point about shrinking to increase quality. I have a potential longer post for here about how “elite” is a mentality and not a practice, which is largely based on size and quality, but I won’t dive into that just yet…

            The new Commandant just issued his planning guidance. One of the critical points he makes is that he’s willing to accept risk in capacity (i.e. size) to ensure quality and capability. That won’t translate into an annual vice monthly recruiting mission as you recommended, but I think he’s onto something. (See page 7: http://www.hqmc.marines.mil/Portals/142/Docs/2015CPG_Color.pdf)
            …and I appreciate your candid response. One of the things I admire about (most of) the contributors to this site is that their thoughts are coherent and regardless of their experience in the Corps, they are clearly intelligent and thoughtful.

    • S.

      This is a wonderful comment. Thank you for taking the time to write it out. I’ve featured this comment so it’s the first thing people will read after the article. Cheers.

      • StillintheFight

        Absolutely – and much appreciated. I aim to inform.

  • Kurtis

    So i texted my recruiter saying I’m more interested in going to college and travelling. He asked me to come in for the talk and paperwork. Am I required to sign anything to actually get out or?

    • S.

      Nope he is lying. If you go back he is going to try and get you to change your mind.

      • Kurtis

        Kinda figured, i responded with a maybe to the meeting and asked for a digital copy of the paperwork but he completely doddged that request.

        • S.

          If you really want that copy try to figure out who is in charge of that recruiting office and bitch about it. If that doesn’t work, report the whole office to the command of that recruiting area.

  • Revan21

    okay so its been all quite since my last scuffle with my former recruiter, but he recently told me if I dont come in to talk to his boss he is going to send the cops after me since I signed a contract, now im not bothered but my mom on the other hand is throwing a fit lol what is the deal here

    • S.

      That recruiter is retarded. If he calls the cops on you they are probably just going to tell him to get lost lol. It’s not illegal to NOT join the Marines.

      • Revan21

        Thats what im thinking course in my area I’m sure he will find former marines turned cops to track me down, maybe but anyway this is just getting ridiculous now that he has to text my moms phone to get to me and start to use threats I shall wait for some cops to show up and have the printed out order proving my right, this is why majority of recruiters have a bad stigma about them

        • S.

          What you need to do is report him to his command, man. That is your next course of action. Also, if worse comes to worse, contact your local news station! That will get the attention of his command right away.

          • Revan21

            True true, I get being upset over loosing a number from quota but damn man too far is too far, granted it seems like I am the only one to ever drop in my area or go through with it lol, but I am on my last straw this shit continues I will have to report it

          • S.

            No don’t wait for more to report it. Report it now. If you don’t report this now you are just screwing over the next kid.

          • Revan21

            shit yeah I forgot someone ships in my spot, well reporting it it is

          • S.

            Make sure to let whoever you talk to know that the reason why you did not want to come in is because it’s a 4 hour drive and because the guy is super shady and makes you uncomfortable. You looked into it and you are not legally required to drive to him, let alone EVER speak with him again.

    • StillintheFight

      I have no patience for the baseless threats. That’s the sign of a poor recruiter. The police are not…trust me…are not going to come looking for you. I would offer one of two courses of action: 1. Call your recruiter or send a text or email requesting that you be discharged from the DEP and that you not be contacted any more… or 2. Offer to meet with the recruiter near where you live – again, if he’s not willing to put in the time to drive out there, his motivation to keep you around is not oriented on your success.

  • Jacob

    Does this also include the coast guard

    • Yo Mama

      This is DoD wide and also applies to the USCG.

  • devildogg22

    you’re a pussy if you drop out the DEP smh

    • S.

      Nice name boot.

    • Old+wise

      Funny how you throw out the term “pussy”. If someone wilfully submits to being treated like a second class citizen, traps themselves into having no other option but to obey all orders( even stupid and nonsensical ones) without question, signs away some of their basic freedoms, and is forced to be nothing but a subservient slave with very few rights, then you start to wonder -who really are the “pussies” here?
      If you had a business acumen, then you would know that it is smart to walk away from a bad business deal. So, if DoD policy allows for poolees to discontinue their DEP contract, then why shouldn’t they? But also, it would be far better if they did not even have documents committing them in the first place!!
      So, your opinion doesn’t really matter. And I reflect back to my own enlisted commitment and regret the fact that I did not take a route like this- I could have saved a lot of wasted time doing meaningless work like police calls, cleaning, IP ing uniforms- all the nuances of busywork that makes up an enlistment in the Marine Corps!
      So, if you are going to throw out insults, I’d say that Marines are the bitches of the US Government-they will sit, roll over and play dead when their masters want them to. Civilian life has more freedom, but also has this element as well.
      Its only time and maturity that you’ll see how wrong you are- the Marine Corps is a phase we all grow out of eventually.

      • John

        Sounds like you received the respect and treatment you deserved. You sound like a bitter boot.

        • Old+wise

          Just wiser. Feel free to be yelled and screamed at all day, and clean the barracks with an AP brush if it makes you feel ‘superior’ in some way. More smarter people than us would see it for the shit that it is and wouldn’t have a damn thing to do with a Marine enlistment! If this web site doesn’t convince people then I don’t know what will.
          You sound like the slave the Marine Corps wants, so you’ll get screwed the way you deserve!

      • I don’t know if the word “pussy” applies to some, all, or none of those who choose not to honor the contract they signed by not reporting for bootcamp. My 2¢ about their decision is that they likely saved their DIs, MOS instructors, and the NCOs from their unit a lot of headaches. I don’t really care about what it means for them moving forward. They aren’t my brothers and never will be now. Personally I think breaking your word is a pretty bad way to begin adulthood.

        • freeatlastfreeatlast

          I agree that those who would refuse to ship out to boot camp save both themselves and the Marine Corps future problems. I would further contend that the Marine Corps would save itself even more trouble by allowing recruits to drop on request in boot camp. For example, Marine OCS, which allows its candidates the opportunity to drop on request has an average passing rate of 66%.

          http://officercandidatesschool.com/ocs-questions-answers/

          Marine boot camp by contrast, which does not allow its recruits this same privledge, had a reported average passing rate of 88.3% in 2006. This was just prior to the Grow the Force initiative began in 2007, when the active component of the Marine Corps grew by about 20,000 members in about three years.

          http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/l/blbasicattrit.htm

          Like most who were attracted to the Marine Corps over the other branches, I came in expecting a band of brothers and some kind of rite of passage into manhood. I not only found neither one, but I had the core principals by which I live my life under attack on a daily basis. This wasn’t done in the name of unit cohesion, but instead out of sheer indifference and institutionalized systemic inefficiencies. since I got out, I have yet to witness comparable levels of incompetence, negligence, and downright man-child temper tantrums that I had to live with in the Marines.

          You think breaking your word is a bad way to begin adulthood? How about being treated like a naughty twelve year old by careerist bureaucrats who feel that 16 year old dependents are more trustworthy than the Marines under their command? How about spending four years having your pride and honor questioned and undercut by sociopaths who take their marital problems out on their own men? How about working in the only branch of the armed forces that doesn’t have an MOS proficiency test factor into promotions, and which finds promotion worthy candidates by quizzing them on the maximum length of a female’s dress shoe heel in uniform?

          As it stands currently, I would not recommend that anybody join the Marines. All of the potential benefits you could get from it come more readily from the other branches. Any poolie who decides that the Marine Corps isn’t for them will then have to stand up for themselves and their decision against recruiters who will use coercion in the form of threats and intimidation in an attempt to get them back in. I would consider that defense to be a better entry into manhood than simply accepting your lot and going through the motions.

        • Old+wise

          Using a Marine Corps adage “opinions are like assh**les- everybody has one”.

          The 2 cents worth opposite opinion to yours is that those that discontinue their DEP contract are just taking an exit route that they individually feel is right for them, but it denies the USMC DI’s, MOS Instructors, NCO’s and the organization as whole another ‘carbon unit’ that they can overwork, harass, underpay for the labor they perform, or potentially put into life threatening situations in the name of US Government policy. This system is designed to fulfill its own interests, and it doesn’t like it when an individual stand ups for himself and refuses to be manipulated by it!

          I really don’t know what reality you are in when you speak of “brothers”, or adults that break their word. Whether you choose to believe this or not, I fulfilled the obligations of my contract with an Honorable Discharge, and in the Infantry units I served with and “brotherhood” was a very relative and questionable term. Young men crowded together to train for life threatening situations are forced to co operate with each other, but if circumstances change each individual will end up following rationale self interest ( an economic term), or not hesitate to exploit others if its in THEIR interest! “Brotherhood” can also be manipulated to justify acts of violence on Marines, or coerce Marines to do things that are questionable in terms of morality and justice.

          Newsflash for you- ADULTS BREAK THEIR WORD ALL THE TIME! Not honoring commitments or backing out of contracts is something that businesses, corporations and GOVERNMENTS will do if in their own self interest to do. So, after going through the Marine experience and reflecting back on it, I am not judgmental about those who choose to back out from DEP , and I strongly recommend to young people to consider all other options, and place the USMC on the lowest tier of their decision tree.

          As an investment of time the USMC route is questionable as opposed to say, four years studying Engineering, or learning a practical trade that is in demand for the 21st century economy.

          Lastly I’ll attach a very poignant You tube video made by someone a lot wiser than myself:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDPmvkv_yz8

          Green Monster:Recruiters Fuck You

          • Mike Armyquitter

            This was a really intelligent, well-written post.

            I really do believe many pro-military people, who are so negative of those who would don’t embrace the military, are brainwashed. Their arguments, usually consisting of the same rehashed platitudes, can be broken down piece-by-piece to the point that they have no applicability to the real world.

          • old+wise(maybe)

            Well, I appreciate the compliment ( if that’s what it was) , and can respect the fact that in your circumstance you realized the Army wasn’t for you. I just don’t see the sense in harassing recruits who have such issues and trying to force them through the system- just drop them with a maximum of 2 weeks for out processing.

            Some might note believe this, but I am still ‘pro military’, but my vision for the US military is quite different for the out of control monster that it is growing into today!. In a nutshell, I’m for cutting back on our overseas commitments, cutting personnel so recruitment can be more selective and not based on mass quotas ( so recruits can DOR from boot camp if they wish), and the most troublesome issue is the Military Industrial Complex which profit so much by keeping us in a perpetual state of WAR and CONSTANT FEAR!

            Without ranting too much, I can see this whole July 4th Terror Warning and false alarm at the Naval Shipyard this morning as just questionable publicity stunts for certain government departments (FBI, CIA, NSA, TSA blah blah) to justify why they exist, and why they want more taxpayer money! The USMC is part of this BULLSHIT, and maybe if we stopped picking fights around the world we wouldn’t be creating more terrorists! The Chinese model for overseas investment and development in the 3rd world is a hell of a lot more intelligent strategy than just yelling “send in the Marines!”.

          • wowdude

            dude you need to publish an article or a book or some shit based off this comment. this is the most intelligent and most comprehensive comment I’ve ever read on this site. i applaud you.

          • old+wise(maybe)

            If you guys met me in person you wouldn’t be so complimentary. I’m older and fully realize that the world is changing just too damn fast now, and its one hell of a fight to keep up with it.

            My opinions and thoughts are based on experience, plus a consistent reading diet from the 80’s, 90’s up to reading alternative media on the Internet today. The items I presented aren’t fully my own.

            As a 45 yr old, I no longer trust traditional US news media and always read alternative sources, ranging from Russia Today, Jesse Ventura, the BBC, Peter Schiff, and the highly recommended Stefan Molyneux ( not all Marine Corps related I know). Reason.com is also good.

            The basic message is is that after years of willfully buying into Marine Corps indoctrination, I woke and realized the errors of blind obedience. The reality is is that being part of the Marine Corps is like a government funded Linus type ‘wet blanket’ that provides security in exchange for completely submission.

            Henry Kissinger — ‘Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.’

          • Mike Armyquitter

            It was a compliment. Sorry for not articulating my point well enough.

            What I meant to say was the prototypical poster, who praises the military and insults those who criticize, usually utilizes these very simplistic sayings which sound nice, but really do not hold up when you analyze them. It’s all well and good to say “Be an adult and honor your word,” but it doesn’t really apply at all as you expanded upon. The government does a good job of ramming abstract concepts in service members’ heads, so that the members place themselves on a pedestal and/or look down on others. However, some open-mindedness and deeper thinking would allow themselves to understand those concepts are utilized for the government’s own self interest.

          • I was an 03 as well and served with 2nd LAR. Your experience and mine were very different. While I agree with you that most people act selfishly and their word matters little to them, I strongly disagree that the lack of honor exhibited by most makes it acceptable. I received my honorable discharge in 2005 and I am convinced that I will never again work with so many good, honest and selfless men like I had the privilege of doing in the Corps. Many of us have stayed in touch and helped one another with the transition into civilian life and supported one another as we cope with physical disabilities and/or PTSD as well. While technically a “fictitious kinship” (a sociology term), it is a bond of brotherhood that has persevered for many of us over the years and proven even stronger than blood.

          • Bubbafett

            It depends on the unit. I still talk to some of the Marines that I served with but with the new change of command, things got stupid and I left. The USMC views itself as a ‘miracle’ worker too much and it’s NCOs that deal with the issues and get screwed over along with the junior enlisted.

          • freeatlastfreeatlast

            Nobody is discounting your experiences in Iraq Sean, we’re pointing out and disagreeing with the tired old straw man of “you signed the contract” that you used. I call this a straw man because it’s an argument put forth by you which is supposed to put us in the position of arguing that breaking one’s word is an admirable trait. As older pointed out, civilian contract laws are in place to avoid exactly what the Marine Corps forces upon its enlistees. The fact that you got an 18 year old to sign a contract should not be sufficient grounds upon which one enters the supposedly elite branch of the world’s premier military.

            I’ve been on this site for a few years now, and I’ve noticed that there are not that many ways to defend the practices of the Marine Corps. Most of the time, the arguments center around baseless personal attacks with a smattering of arguments against positions we don’t hold. In the case of boot camp, which seems to be all most people think of when it comes to the Marines, the arguments usually center around:

            1.) You signed the contract, Gotcha!

            As I said, most people have an idea of what boot camp and enlisted service is like, 18 year-old males are no exception. From Call of Duty to Saving Private Ryan, we’re brought up to believe that military service is a band of brothers amongst men. Most literary sources as to life in the military is written by former careerist officers, who don’t deign to mention the indentured servitude they partook in to keep themselves riding high. Most careerist enlisted Marines who recount their experiences don’t usually mention the inanity and insanity of daily life as an enlisted Marine, and choose instead to chuckle and say “we had a hard time of it”.

            2.) The Marine Corps doesn’t want quitters, that’s why they don’t let you quit.

            I’ve brought this up before, in 2006, the year before the Grow the Force initiative kicked in and flooded the Marines with 25,000 personnel in four years, the graduation rate of Marine boot camp was 88.3%. This was higher than either the Navy or Air Force at that time. This is because the Marine Corps doesn’t let you leave once you get there. Unlike with OCS candidates, you don’t get the right to drop on request if you’re enlisted. This underlies the class system of the military that isn’t really understood till you live in it without choice for a few years.

            The Marine Corps wants to both have its cake and eat it too. It wants to both be regarded as an elite organization, and remain a separate branch of the military with all the fixings. It wants the United States to continue spending $22.7 billion annually to keep a second Army and third Air Force that outnumbers many nation’s entire armed forces up and running. It does so with an ongoing PR campaign that would make Stalin blush.

            I’m not going to discount your experiences in Iraq, just as I wouldn’t question the similar experiences of a soldier. The thing is, the only difference between your account and theirs is that you were a Marine. As it currently stands, the Marine Corps brings nothing to the table that isn’t already covered by the other branches of the armed forces. The very drive to maintain itself as a separate branch of the armed forces and remain self-sufficient is costing the Marine Corps its elite-ness that made it an asset to begin with. For example, the British Royal Marines number just over 8,000 strong including their reserves; the Royal Marine Commandos make up one brigade of that. I would argue that the Marine Corps would serve as a greater asset to the United States as a smaller force, maybe a few tens of thousands strong, focused mainly, if not exclusively, around combat MOSs.

            3.) The USMC isn’t for everyone.

            This is said usually while looking down your nose at its recipient, intended to imply that not everyone can be bad ass enough to be ass kicking Marines. This is evidenced by the fact that the Marine Corps has an average first time re-enlistment rate around 20%. The problem with this is that while the Marine Corps is difficult, it’s difficult for the wrong reasons and in the wrong ways. It’s difficult to swallow your pride and be treated like a naughty twelve year old in Oki because a Marine Major assaulted a bartender in 2002, and two sailors raped a woman in 2012. It’s difficult to listen to a literal baby killing wife beating NCO who’s been meritoriously promoted numerously lecture you on proper behavior. It’s difficult to bring proposals forward on re-working man hours to avoid 85% of them being spent on fuck fuck busy work, only to discover that in your superiors twisted mindsets, the busywork is the actual work.

            Seriously Sean, I can’t tell you how many times I heard arguments like “once you pick up *insert next rank here* you don’t have to do shit, why leave now?” from re-enlistees. With few exceptions focused primarily around the elite combat MOSs, the best Marines get out on their first or second go-around.

    • Yo Mama

      Good. Because we don’t need shit birds in the USMC. The USMC is not a miracle worker.

    • Jeremy

      Why Do You Consider People Dropping Out Of DEP Pussies? Some People Are Young And Naive, They Feel Like They’re King Of The World Nothings Going To Stop Them. Some Times It Clicks In There Heads Maybe I Didn’t Make A Right Decision, What If I Choose This Path But It Doesn’t Give Me A Promising Future? I’ll Tell You What Happened To Me Big Guy. I Joined The Marine Corps. Did Meps Swore In Had A Leave Date I Was Still In High School At The Time Had About 4 Months Left Till I Graduated. I Trained Very Hard I Had Choosen To Do Infantry. I Was Physically The Top Of My Class. I Knew When I Went To Boot Camp I Was Going To Be Okay Physically. But One Fatefull Night I Woke Up To My Stomach Just Riddling Will UnImaginable Pain, I Got Up Drove My Self To The ER And Waited What Felt Like Weeks. Once The Doctor Called Me In The Did A Ton Of Test, They Came To The Conclusion My Appendix Had Almost Ruptured And I Had To Under Go Immediate Surgery Before It Did. Once It Was All Over I Wasn’t Able To Walk By My Self For About a month and a half. Was Difficult To Piss, Hell I Couldn’t Take A Shit For Atleast A Week. Anyways During This Time I Realized I’m Young But Not Invincible. I Told My Self Once I Get Better I Need To Go Speak To My Recruiter. Once Time Went By I Lost About 10 lbs. Finally Was Able To Make It ToThe Recruiting Office And Spoke With My Gunnery Sergent Told Him What Had Happen. That I Want To Take A Different Approach And I No Longer Believe Marines Corps Is The Right Path For Myself. Believe Me Fellas It Wasn’t Easy Espically When He Is 6’3 and 235 Pounds Of Muscle. He Was Very Intimidating, And He Told Me Things Like, You Signed The Contract You Can’t Just Quit And I Told Him, Sir With All Do Respect, I’m Leaving I Appreciate The Time And Effort We All Put In Making This Happen But I’m No Longer Interested In The Marine Corps. He Told Me I Was Going To Be Some Sort Of Discharged That I Won’t Be Able To Join Any Other Branches, It’ll Follow Me On My Personal Records That Every Employeer Was Going To See I Was A “Quiter”. I Told Him Sorry Sir And Walked Out. I Understand This Was A Very Long Reply But I Want You To Understand That People Have Reasons For Changing There Minds. It’s Like The Ole Sayin, “You Can’t Judge A Book By Its Cover, Some Times You Gotta Open It Up And Read A Few Pages.” Anyways Im All Finished Here. Thank You Fellas For Serving Much Respect.

  • Jacob Klein

    So here is my situation. I am requesting a discharge to finish my degree and go straight to officers school. I only have 2 years to get my degree so enlisting for 6 years then going to OCS is not a good choice. My recruiter is telling me i have to come in to sign discharge papers. Is this true?

  • Jacob Klein

    So here is my situation. I am requesting a discharge to finish my degree and go straight to officers school. I only have 2 years to get my degree so enlisting for 6 years then going to OCS is not a good choice. My recruiter is telling me i have to come in to sign discharge papers. Is this true?

    • StillintheFight

      Did you resolve your situation yet?

  • Tyler

    I am writing a letter to the recruiting Commanding Officer of my area. Should I also call my recruiter, or should I just let the CO handle it? Please help. Sending the letter today

    • StillintheFight

      Do you have another post that details your situation…did you send the letter?

    • Yo Mama

      CC your recruiter and his boss if you know it.

  • DRillInstructorslilbitch

    Hey I’m army reserves . I want a different MOS , can I change my contract . My ship date is in two weeks?

    • Yo Mama

      Though the Army can be more flexible, there needs to be an opening in the job you want and you need to qualify for it. Also, there are certain circumstances like in the case of one unit, an intel company in the National Guard is turning into a signal intelligence company. Soldiers who want to change MOS’s by going through training pretty much can without much hassle. Are you going to basic later or are you drilling already?

  • Flyeer

    My recruiter said I can’t go back. He said because I’m older than 18 yrs, I signed a different contract. is that true ?

    • freeatlastfreeatlast

      Older than 18, so you signed a different contract? That’s a new one. No, no that makes no sense. If you’re 17, you need your parent’s approval to enlist. If you’re 18 or older, you sign the same contract unless you get a waiver for your age. How much older than 18 are you?

      • Flyeer

        I’m 22.
        They don’t want discharge me, what I need to do now ?

        • freeatlastfreeatlast

          Have you already sworn in at MEPS?

          • Flyeer

            Yes.

          • freeatlastfreeatlast

            That makes it a bigger pain in the ass for your recruiters to let you go. Read on from page 273 of this:

            http://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Publications/MCO%20P1100.72C%20W%20ERRATUM.pdf

            The order states that if you don’t intend to report, and the counseling fails, you’ll receive an entry level separation. If you bring this to their attention and they still refuse to let you leave, contact their commander.

          • StillintheFight

            If you never go back, you’ll be automatically discharged after a year. Are you trying to get a discharge to join another service? That’s a different set of circumstances altogether…

  • name

    im 20 , still in the USMC DEP , ship date is in oct , i want to switch branch to Air force because i feel more comfortable and the knowledge i have learned when i was in AFJROTC , everybody else can say shit about rotc etc , idc , any chance if the USMC will just transfer me to a AF recruiter and pick up from there , or , do i have to wait and redo the asvab and meps again?

    • fat apple

      You would probably go to MEPS again but you won’t have to take the ASVAB (unless your scores were too low.)

  • Nyesha Banks

    Does anyone know how long does it take to receive discharge papers in order to join another branch?

  • Melissa

    In a situation like, having a baby and already en-listing with a date to ship, not signed in oath yet (on the date they ship he signs). Is it possible to wait to enlist and go, meaning to withdraw their submission. If they rather wait to stick around to be here for the mother and the birth of their first child.

    • private_givenofucks

      He is in >total control< of what he does BEFORE he gets shipped off to boot camp, he just has to stick to his guns and not let the recruiter manipulate him into doing what he wants. The recruiter might say that he cant change his ship date but that's a load of bull, they can but wont want to, like I said your husband has to stick to his guns.

  • lazarmc

    i have been in deps. for over a year now and i have decided not to enlist due to messing up my arm ( no medical document were filed ) but now there telling me since i did not inform them of my gf being pregnant which i only found out few weeks ago of they can file me as with holdng and falsifying information and they said i either go to bootcamp or go to jail is this true i just told them i wanted out of deps. ive only been to meps and sworn in there to delayed entry . can i be forced to go ? can i be arrested? please help ….

    • private_givenofucks

      They cant charge you with dick, go to bootcamp or go to jail is a load of bullshit as well. What are they gonna do? send the police to lock you up in county jail? lol what a load of crap! Bro you are in control of your fate before you step on those yellow footprints. so you can tell them to fuck off and they cant do a damn thing! If you think the threats are bad now( although empty threats at that) Wait till you get sent to MCRD. They do not give a damn about you, you are just another number for them on their quota’s. But once again to answer your question they cannot do a damn thing but give you empty threats, tell them you have a lawyer and see how fast they fuck off lol.

      Also, everything you need to know is right above in the article. Read it man its worth your time. you will not get a dishonorable but a ELS.

  • Hicks

    The above picture of Stanley Blaine Hicks, they call him Blaine Cooper because that’s what he goes by these days, is from a video where he calls for the arrest of John McCain for treason;
    In a subsequent video that has now been removed from the internet, the
    interviewer calls Hicks/Cooper a Marine. Hicks/Cooper, however, says
    that he has never been a Marine;Well, that’s certainly true. But according to the Marine Corps he
    enlisted in the Delayed Entry Program, but then dropped off the face of
    the earth and never showed up for boot camp, which explains why he
    probably changed his name in January 2006.

    http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=61312

  • M96

    I have already swore into the DEP for the Marine Corps, and my ship date is within 30 days. They told me yesterday what my MOS is, but I am wanting to switch to the Air Force. What all do I have to do to switch over to another branch, or is it too late?

    • private_givenofucks

      Talk to the Air Force recruiter and tell him you want to join them instead of the Marines. He should guide you In the right direction.
      in my opinion its only too late once you step on the yellow footprints. you have the option to be dropped from the DEP on request, just tell them you want to join the Air Force if they ask you why. DO NOT let them scare you into shipping, if they tell you some bullshit like getting jail time or something of that nature don’t believe it.

      YOU hold all the cards right now. just stick to your guns.

      • M96

        Okay, thank you.

  • Byron Suarez

    can i travel outside the us before my shipping date, because my recruiter is telling me not to go

    • private_givenofucks

      I went to Mexico when I was in the DEP…

    • hack

      For Christ sake- READ THIS DAMN WEB SITE and get your head out!
      If you want/need to travel, just go! You don’t owe this guy anything! Does he pay you every two weeks NOW?
      The only reason why he would say something like that to you is because THE RECRUITER LOSES OUT IF YOU DON’T SHIP. He doesn’t get his points for HIS promotion. You could travel, get some sense and decide you don’t want to be the Marine Corps little bitch ( like he is!) then he has to recruit someone else all over again! THAT’S NOT YOUR PROBLEM!
      This guy has a quota of cattle to send to boot camp, and he has to make sure the meat is decent (and ready to board the slaughter bus).. Its not because he gives a damn about YOU!
      And if you can’t handle a professional liar telling you what to do now, how are you going to handle some of the absurd and restrictive rules the Corps is going to FORCE you to follow?

    • Billiam201

      I’d think twice if you were going for a job that requires a security clearance, depending on the country. It doesn’t have to be one full of terrorists, either.

      That’s a damn fine way to find yourself getting booted from (insert school here) and reassigned as a drain pipe specialist, and spend the next 4 years cleaning the grease traps at the mess hall.

      • hack 2

        That a fair point, but all situationally dependent on Byron Suarez, his recruiter, his choice of MOS and his desired country he wants to travel to.
        If he took off and travelled, I could definitely see his recruiter try to fuck him over by feeding his training command some ‘overlooked’ information AFTER he has already gone through his basic training. The recruiter got what he wanted out of him, then tries to fuck him because he didn’t do what he personally wanted.
        It would be interesting to see what countries actually raise red flags for security clearances. I doubt Mexico would be one, but we are talking about the (lack-of-common sense) military here.
        Bottom line- its Byron Sanchez decision. If he likes to travel he will be bitterly disappointed when he’s on active duty and treated like a prisoner. He can be stationed overseas but that doesn’t mean he will be allowed off base to see anything!

    • pppp

      I left to mexico while in DEP. I was just suppose to be back 2 weeks before ship date to take my IST. After I took the IST, I was not allowed to leave.

  • Kristopher Mael Bermudez Rojas

    The CO was pissed when my recruiter told him about my request to discharge from the dep program and now I have to wait a whole year for contract to end. he called me yesterday morning that he refuses to give me discharge papers. All I have to say to you guys who are on the same boat as me is not to feel like a pussy for backing out I was the top dog in my station in pt for upcoming Ist doing 107 crunches and 26 pull ups ect. And im a janitor who wants to continue school you don’t have to become a Marine to become a tough sob.the MC won’t turn you into a badass, I know two siblings one in the Marinesand oother in the Airforce and guess whos tougher? The Airmen thats who, because it depends on you and your determination regardless of occupation there’s tough sob in all branches

    • S.

      The dep program is not really even a real thing. There is no “releasing” you. There is no “contract”. They make you believe they have some sort of hold over you, but they don’t. You can simply never have any contact with them ever again if you choose. There is no punishment. You can even threaten to involve the police and the press if they continue to harass you. This shit they are trying to pull is exactly what you would further involve yourself with if you joined.

      Even 180 days after the first day of bootcamp you can get out. It’s the day you step foot in bootcamp where they have any type of control over you. The CO is just trying to scare you with lies.

    • Chris

      As a janitor with a high PFT you have the special skills they are looking for.
      Good on you for living your own life. That’s what this is – your life.

  • mike

    so recently I’ve decided that I should discharge from dep. When I first met my recruiter, it was outside the office of my school and around that time i was having trouble with school so when he started explaining to me how the usmc is a probably better option for me so the next week I went to the office to talk with the recruiter but surprisingly he made me take a practice asvab, I had no idea I was gonna be taking a test. Anyways just a month later I was sworn in to dep at meps and I am just starting to see how quickly i was rushed into everything without being given much knowledge. I haven’t been giving any effort to show up to physical training or the pool functions and am starting to really enjoy my time at school. I see now how foolish I was and I am very worried about telling my recruiter that I wish to separate from the usmc. My ship-out date is in july so is it a good time to tell him now, how should I notify him and what reaction should I expect from him?

    • Billiam201

      Strictly speaking, according to the orders, you don’t owe him anything.

      That said, out of courtesy, I would notify him of this change now. They will not show you the same courtesy, and his reaction is likely to be poor. You have jeopardized his ability to “make mission”, and he will not take it kindly.

      You have made a decision in your own best interest, which is another thing the marines don’t care for. He will attempt to scare you, and he may threaten you with legal action.

      But, if you stick to your guns, they have no power over you, and they will call some other poor sap who is waiting to ship and send him instead.

  • John

    I signed the contract at meps awhile back. I signed for an mos, stating that I would serve 5 years active last week. I had been doubting before, but now I’m sure I don’t want to to join. I’m supposed to ship in July. Should I tell them now? or should I wait a little long since i literally just signed for an mos they apparently worked hard to get me (wasnt my first second or third choice) with a bonus?

    • Billiam201

      If you are certain you don’t want to join, why prolong the charade?

      You don’t owe them anything, and if you don’t want anything to do with them, it doesn’t do you any good by continuing to deal with them if you don’t have to.

      Personally, I would tell them now. Not only is it easier to make a clean break, but I am also a believer in courtesy. If he can get some other poor sap to take your spot, let him.

      • John

        Alright, took me a little bit to build some courage, but I called my recruiter and told him. He wants me to go in to talk to his boss later this week. I’ll just do that and make a clean break. Thanks for the advice and also the creator of this post. Helped me alot.

        • Billiam201

          You may find it useful to print the Marine Corps Orders on this issue. The fine folks at GI Rights Hotline have already done a lovely write-up on this issue, so I won’t belabor the point here.

          http://girightshotline.org/en/military-knowledge-base/topic/delayed-entry-program-discharge-dep-discharge

          The links at the bottom will take you to the relevant orders, and that shoul take care of that.

        • FoxtrotTangoNovember

          Don’t let them try and bully you. It’s your life, so stick to your guns. You have every legal right to drop out of DEP, and they can’t do shit about it. Good luck, man.

        • usmcsucks

          Good on you, and good on the others who created this web site and contributed to his ’emancipation’.
          Dare I suggest- why even bother to go in and talk to your recruiters ‘boss’ at all? You know exactly what he is going to try and do! Marine Recruiters are sent to a very effective sales type school and won’t hesitate to try and manipulate you!! You are nothing to them other than a monthly quota- so why submit yourself to a face to face meeting?
          I could suggest than you call or (better yet) email them, tell them you have decided against a face to face meeting, and send them the GI Rights Hotline Link below. Also tell them that if they have any questions or concerns that they e-mail them to you.
          And what I’m suggesting is what any lawyer would suggest. An e-mail is far better than the potential pressure you may face when you are in the office of someone who is trained to deal with situations like this.
          You would never, ever talk to law enforcement without the presence of a lawyer, so why not apply that principle to a professional LIAR AND MANIPULATOR?
          Just take this as a suggestion- how you approach the next step is up to you. Also remember that the USMC thrives on exploiting idealistic, naïve young people.
          Congratulations John- you don’t realize how much aggravation and frustration you just saved yourself from! You just saved yourself from the 4 year mistake we made!

  • bonniebourgini

    My children needed PD F 1048 E some time ago and learned about a great service that has a lot of sample forms . If others need to fill out PD F 1048 E too , here’s https://goo.gl/JZGvn3.

  • MonthlyQuota

    Hi,

    I feel like writing my own experience to educate and help people avoid the same mistake I did.

    I spent months to almost a year now waiting to sign, take oath, and be shipped out to boot camp. They all been nice and really helpful. I took all their words because I thought they are really looking after me and wanted to help me. They have told me they will do their best to ship me out as soon as possible but after I got disqualify for medical condition the process take even longer which is hard at first but I came to understand later. After I was enlisted they throw the BOMB at me and say they couldn’t ship me out until the summer of next year. That’s when the problems start.

    Two days ago, I finally decided to leave DEP for other branches or simply forget all of this and head to College. I simply texted my recruiter requesting to drop me from DEP. My recruiter then replied that I have to come to the office to talk to them and sign papers to be discharge, But I know for a fact that this is a lie simply, because all I have to do is give them the courtesy, that I want to leave DEP. I told them I don’t need any counseling. To which he replied “It’s not counseling”. The next day he called me from my phone and ask me to come to the office and talk to them. (He is very desperate and aggressive this time) Telling me that they can’t discharge me until I come to the office and talked to them. I then said Ok out of pressure, I’ll try and come this week. Today, I called my recruiter to tell them I don’t think its necessary because all they need from me is a verbal request stating that I wanted to leave DEP. He then replied to me that it doesn’t work like that and that hes been a recruiter for 3 years. He keep telling me they wont discharge me until I come to their office. (He is really upset at this point). I then told him that I can contact a local congressional office to sort things out. He then put me on hold. (I assumed he went to his boss to ask for help because hes running out of excuses).

    10 Minutes later, He’s boss called me to tell me the same thing. They cant discharge me until I come to their office and talk with them. I repeatedly told them I don’t have to and that I’ve given them everything they needed to discharge me. They keep pressuring me on coming and promising that they can ship me out this week. (Please note, he’s boss is what I believe and others to be the coolest person in the station. He’s really nice to everyone and he knows how to talk to people. He always encouraged. He’s just an overall good role model from the USMC). After I told him that, I immediately notice a different personality. He started to use dishonesty and intimidation to keep me in. This are the things he uses.

    1. I don’t qualify to join other branches because I have medical waiver

    I doubt this is true because I can simply transfer all my files from USMC to the other branches and if not then I would take my chances.

    2. He ridicule my ASVAB score as well as my IST (71 sit-ups, 8pull-ups, and 10:21 1.5 mile run)

    8 months ago, All I ever wanted to be in the Marine Corp is to be an infantry. I made it very clear from the start. I thought passing the test is good enough. I learned it the hard way and I pay for it with my time. I was told I can get shipped to boot camp by January/February or March, So why would I retake the test and risk failing it and losing my shipment date? I know I got disqualified from MEPS for medical issue but they reassure me that it is waiverable and I have nothing to worry about but still If they are honest and say I can’t be ship out until summer of next year because there wont be any slot open, then I would retake the ASVAB or go to College or find a job instead of waiting for nothing. I can’t entirely blame them for this. I made a mistake of believe them. As far as for my IST, If I could at least get a guaranteed shipment date and the desired MOS then I would focus all my time to exercising. I’m not stupid to go to boot camp unprepared.

    3. Told me repeatedly I can’t back-out because I took the OATH and sign the contract

    I told them that I’m not obligated to anything until I step on the yellow footprint and that the sole purpose of those, including the DEP is to have you feel that they some sort of control over you!

    4. He refuses to call his command and discharge me because my reason is invalid e.g. {Waited almost a year now to be shipped}”

    I’ve done my research and know that you don’t need any reason at all. All you have to do is to request to be separated from the DEP.

    5. He started making things up such as telling me, I told them earlier that I’m willing to take any job and sign for an open-contract which I never did because I made it clear from the start that I wanted to be an infantry (0311).

    6. He repeatedly try to persuade me that the Army lied when they said I could do airborne. He repeatedly ridicule my ability implying that I’m not good enough to be in the Army airborne because its a special forces.

    I simply told him that I’m not taking their word for it and that it would be on the paper. I even correct him that airborne is not a special forces.

    7. Lastly, He won’t discharged me until the summer of next year and that there is nothing he can do about it. Take it or leave it type of deal. He keep reminding me, I’m obligated to stay in DEP for 365 days.

    I think he did this deliberately so I cant start negotiating with other branches and to leave me with no other option but to stay. I never had the chance to remind him that I can get out of DEP as soon as 2-3 weeks after contacting a local representative office.

    As for my last words with them, I simply told them that I have no hard feelings regarding what happened. It just simply doesn’t work out. I’ve waited long enough. Time for me to move on and seek other opportunities. I then proceed to thank them for everything they have done to me.

  • Brian

    I signed up my contract as us marine reserve. My shipping date for boot camp was already past because i took surgery a month before.
    But my recruiter still try to send me to bootcamp whenever i get better. I already did my second oath when i signed up in meps. But i wanna get out of usmc. Is it possible?

    • Chris Raye

      You would still be in Entry Level Status, I believe. And since you are in reserves, you should notify the reserve unit you are a part of that you are refusing to go to boot camp (refusing to train) and that you are requesting discharge immediately. Also, request discharge from the recruiting commander at your MEPS by letter, or even in person if you are there. Stand firmly and make it clear.

      The DEP program is different for reservists than it is for active duty. While those of us that enlisted active duty were able to simply leave the DEP upon request with no discharge-type paperwork, as a reservist you have, in theory, been assigned to a unit already and therefore must be discharged from it as well. You will receive an Uncharacterized Entry Level Separation–don’t worry, this thing means damn near nothing in the real world. And you won’t ever have to say “yes” if you’re asked in an interview if you served in the Armed Forces.

      If you choose to enter another branch or re-enlist in the Marines, please wait a year from your original MEPS swear in date to assure that you’ve been properly discharged and can restart the process from scratch. There aren’t many recruiters who’ll turn you down because you were a DEP attrite. Trust me, I got the Army and Navy crawling up my ass right now. All it takes is a waiver and God knows MEPS assigns waivers like Tumblr assigns bullshit genders.

      Best of luck to you, and thank you for making the smart decision to ask your question before handling the situation on your own!

      • StillintheFight

        ^Mostly good advice, but I’ll add/modify a couple things.
        There’s no need for you to contact the reserve unit. Basically, discharging from the DEP as a reservist is no different than discharging from the DEP as active duty.
        Should you desire to talk to another service, they will be able to identify if you have been discharged from the DEP or not. If not, let that other service help you in your quest to be discharged. There is no actual “discharge letter,” so if you ask for one, prepare to be ignored. Also, no need to wait a year – yes, you are automatically discharged after 365 days, but there’s no requirement to wait that long if you’ve been discharged.
        Not relevant to you unless you do actually want to pursue another service, but it’s worth noting that each service has it’s own medical waiver authority. What that means – if you require a medical waiver beyond what the MEPS doctor can do, a waiver with the Marines is not good for use with any other service, and vice versa.
        Otherwise, tell your recruiter you don’t want to be a Marine, prepare for him/her to p with you, and that’s the end of it.

  • StillintheFight

    How’d it turn out?

    • MonthlyQuota

      I received an email from Deputy Command Inspector stating that I was released from DEP on September 7, 2016. It also states that I no longer have any contractual affiliation or obligation to the United States Marine Corp. My description of discharge is “Enlisting into another service.” According to it “member in this status do no receive a discharged certificate or characterization of service at seperation.”

      Major General Kennedy also wishes me the very best and much success in my future endeavors.

      • Marcus Forbes

        How long did it take for you to get released? I am currently trying to do the same? What all did you do I went up there and he said he can’t release me only the commander so I contacted him and there still “processing” it and i contacted the congressman of my state?

        • Chris Raye

          Your release should be immediate, though moving your MEPS files to a non-active location in the building could take up to ten days from what the liaison at my MEPS station told me when I went to her for discharge (they must be held there for a few years, maybe as a record in cas you try rejoining). What do you mean by “went up there”? If you are talking about going to the liaison, they of all people should have been more eager to discharge you than recruiters upon your request.

          • Marcus Forbes

            Well it’s been exactly two weeks since I asked to be released wel I asked on November 1st and he said I had to wait til December 1st. The person I asked was the MSGT of the recruit station. I talked to him and he said he couldn’t do it only the commander can do that’s when I sent in my complaint which was on December 1st and today I spoke with them and they said it’s still processing.

          • Chris Raye

            I know how it is with the jobs; they magically switched me from Intel to infantry. Good call on you for not standing for it and asking to switch branches (although most ex-military here have been recommending Air Force). A liaison is the high-ranking Marines that run the office at MEPS that see you through your ship date and exams when your recruiter drops you off. Yes, only the commander has the power to switch your files and discharge you, but he is waiting so long to guilt/pressure you because he is unhappy that you are leaving his numbers behind for the Army. He might be hoping that you’ll change your mind out of frustration with having to wait so long and go “Fuck it, I’ll just stay with the Marines so I’m not wasting more of my time trying to switch.”

          • Chris Raye

            In any case, if you do not ship on your scheduled date you will be released and free to join the army. Talk to an army recruiter first, though, so he will know why the refusal to train/ship is in your MEPS record.

          • Marcus Forbes

            Yea I have been waiting long but I’ll rather wait a month then to wait two years to change my job. I considered Air Force but the wait is so long.

          • Chris Raye

            Don’t worry about the wait for the Air Force. If the way you are treated, how you spend your days, and future career opportunities are important to you, all the ex military I’ve talked to agree that the Air Force is the way to go. Waiting is a pain in the ass, but your future is more important. If you really, really want to join another branch, do it. Bur the Air Force is something to consider, regardless of the flak it gets from the other branches.

          • Marcus Forbes

            Okay thanks I’ll consider it once I’m released. Both are great options and some of my fiends are currently in basic now in the Air Force.

          • Marcus Forbes

            And what is the liaison? And I think they moving my meps file because o want to switch branches from marine to army since the marines really screwed Me over. I had a job that I signed for and three days before I shipped they changed it and tried to give me crappy jobs( chef,tanker, combat engineer).

    • MonthlyQuota

      The description of my discharge worries me. It said “Enlisting into another service”. Did they discharge me so I can join other branch or am I completely free now? I told them earlier about wanting to join the U.S. Army but later changed my mind to college. I no longer wish to be part of any military service and want to go to college instead. Should I contact them and asked them to change it?

      I’m also not getting any discharged certificate or characterization of service at separation. I’m skeptical about this.

      • Master LCpl

        First, congratulations on quitting the DEP. You just saved yourself several years of hating life. You could inquire about changing the changing the characterization but I don’t believe it really matters. It’s as if you never signed up in the first place. If you are ever asked if you served, just say no.

        • Marcus Forbes

          How long did it take for you to get released? I am currently trying to do the same? What all did you do I went up there and he said he can’t release me only the commander so I contacted him and there still “processing” it and i contacted the congressman of my state??

    • MonthlyQuota

      I sent them this letter today.

      Thank you so much for releasing me from the delayed entry program, but I’m worried about the description of my discharge and why am I not getting a discharged certificate?

      I request that my description of discharge be change from “Enlisting into another service.” to “Going to College”. I’m completely not interested in joining any branches of the military and want to spend my time in college instead.

      I also request a paper copy of my discharged certificate mail to my address.

      Thank You.

      • StillintheFight

        The Inspector General may or may not change the classification of discharge, and any certificate/letter of discharge would be fabricated solely to answer your request. In that, I mean that there is no such thing. If you have a letter from the IG that says you were discharged, you are in the .1% that has any type of documentation to begin with – so I wouldn’t worry about it. The classification doesn’t impact anything, so if it isn’t changed, I wouldn’t worry about that either. You’re set. You are completely free now.

      • Marcus Forbes

        How long did it take for you to get released? I am currently trying to do the same? What all did you do I went up there and he said he can’t release me only the commander so I contacted him and there still “processing” it and i contacted the congressman of my state?

        • Master LCpl

          “Processing” is complete BS. They are stalling and hoping you will change your mind. Write a letter stating you wish to be released and give a copy to your recruiter. Then ask the recruiter for their commanding officer’s contact info and send them a copy as well. Ignore the threats of bad discharge, jail time, loosing citizenship, etc. They are just scared tactics.

          Safety and Peace

          • Marcus Forbes

            Was you in the military? I see LCPL but they won’t give me no information at the rs I having to find out everything by myself. Around his long would you think it would take for me to dep out it I talk to the marines at the commanding office?

          • Chris Raye

            Seconds. The minute I walked in and told them “hell no” and they attempted to talk to me, I just kept saying “no” and using a rude tone and bitch face. Then they got the point immediately and I received, “I’m going down to put in your discharge right now. It might take 10 days to move your files from active to storage.” I got to come home and have never heard from them again, except for my recruiter calling to guilt trip me for “being a little bitch.”

            Point is, if you tell the people IN CHARGE, they listen. Because their numbers are WAY more important than your recruiter’s.

          • Rong Chen

            Hey sir . I really need some help. I am in the EDP program now. And I don’t want to go. I want switch to Navy. And I told to my recruiter today. He threat me if I quit. There will be a ugly mark in my records and I will lost my green card. I feel so bad. Bc the way he talk. But I just want go to navy now. But he said if I quit there is not way I can go to Navy. So please help me out .ASAP!

          • Chris Raye

            They have no power to take away your green card, only Congress or another branch of GOVERNMENT can do that. He is lying about you not being able to go to the Navy if you leave the Marines; as soon as you can, go to the Navy recruiter’s office and explain your situation. He will help you join the Navy and there is nothing to the Marines can do to stop you, except for hold you in their DEP (without shipping you) until one year and then they have no choice but to let you join the Navy. But odds are the Navy recruiter will make sure you can switch within a month.

            Best of luck, and don’t let anyone talk down to you about your “green card,” you are just as much an American as anyone else if you want to be!

          • Rong Chen

            Hey Sir. I talk to my recruiter again this morning. He finally say yes. I lied him I want go to college now. And ask him if he can give me the copy of discharge. He said no. What should I do to make sure I am out of Marine EDP program ?so I can go to Navy?because I don’t want to wait for a year to join the Navy. By the time he holding me. I can’t just sit and wait .please is here anything I can do ?thank you for you time

          • Chris Raye

            If he says that you are no longer obligated, it means that he has or is sending the word to his bosses right now that your Marine DEP program is over. You should be free to join the Navy within the next 10 days, because that seems to be the time it takes for them to get your files moved out of the Marines active and into another part of MEPS where they can be recovered by the Navy when you join. Go to your Navy recruiter in 10 business (non weekend) days and he will get your medical files and others transferred to the Navy. Then you will be good to go!

            As for asking for a copy of the discharge, there is no “discharge.” They just move your files out of their area because you and your information are no longer a part of them.

          • StillintheFight

            Just go talk to your Navy recruiter – he’ll be able to see at MEPS if you’ve been discharged. It’s very routine for the Navy to ask for a Marine DEP discharge or vice versa once the applicant has changed his/her mind. There is no actual discharge to get a copy of… but you can expect to not be discharged until the end of the month or later. Let the Navy know what you’re trying to do and they’ll help.

          • Rong Chen

            all taking care.thank you!

          • Chris

            Outstanding news, Rong. Good luck and thank you for your service.

  • Hgonzox

    My experience in the Corps was great, four fun filled years. Those of you trying to get out of your contract I hope you succeed. Just remember the window for you to go on a great adventure closes quickly. What are you going to say to yourself when you’re 50. I tried but I was too CS to go through with it.

    • usmcsux

      I don’t deny that everyone’s experience in the Corps is different, but also the SAME in many respects! If your definition of ‘fun’ is cleaning the barracks for hours on end, working long hours for no reason other than for a SSGT’s ego ( and fitness report), and all the other negative REALITIES that have been presented here, then you have a very warped definition of what an ‘adventure’ really is!
      I don’t see anything wrong with people seeking challenges elsewhere- there’s nothing CS about forgoing DEP to seek the challenge of a four year technical degree, or even working for say the Red Cross!
      In the end, being a Marine is just an overhyped propaganda title that they use to sucker in naïve kids. Like teenagers at Mcdonalds, they are easier to exploit as wage slaves!
      What’s so CS about wanting something better for yourself?

  • Rebbeca Clark

    I was recruted in late may of this year and I also felt very rushed to make a decision and tremendous pressure. I was hesitant but I attended Poole functions and before I knew it they were sending me to meps for a physical and the asvab. Before I even went my mom asked my recruiters boss if I could quit at any time. He said yes. I had no legal obligation up until I sign the contract right before deployment (second time at meps). About a month and a half later I realized how much I didn’t want to do this and how much I’d been lied to. I informed my recruiter about things going on that made me realize I didn’t want to do this. Since then he’s been calling every day showing up to my house and my boyfriends house where I was and he interviewed me which was uncomfortable. He kept trying to pressure me into not quitting. He even has other recruitments calling and texting me and showing up to my house. Thankfully I’m not home often when he comes but my parents say he is very disrespectful and rude. He keeps saying I have to go into the office and talk to the boss and sign stuff that says I want out. But I was told by him that some people would write saying they wanted out and then they never see or hear from them again. I’ve been told I don’t need to sign anything because I haven’t signed the contract for boot camp which I would have left for in January of 2017. But I’m still nervous that I could have legal consequences for not going to sign those papers.

    • Master LCpl

      There will be no legal consequences if you quit the DEP. Technically the contract is legally binding but the chances are slim to none that they would pursue it. Tell the recruiter thanks but you have changed your mind and to cease all communications with you. Use the call/text block feature on your phone. You do not have to go to the office to speak with them. If you do, they are going to try their best to pressure you into joining so they can get points towards their next promotion. Let us know if we can be of further assistance.

      Safety and Peace

  • Chris

    I was recruited earlier this year, while in college, and after doing MEPS for the first time; I have decided to commit to college. I told my recruiter and now I have him showing up around looking for me, speaking to my family, and had someone from “personnel”(?) call asking about me.

    I understand that when leaving the DEP it can get like this, but I was wondering if: Is this something I simply need to whether or if this sounds different than what is to be expected.

    • Master LCpl

      As stated previously, the recruiter is trying for 2 things: 1-earning points towards their next promotion and 2-keeping the higher ups off their back. Politely tell him you quit and to stop contacting you.

  • Cynthia Rodriguez

    I need advice, I’ve run out of resources and I am uncertain what to do next. I am a Senior in H.S. on October 2016 I requested my DEP Discharge from the USMC. As of today January 2017, no DEP Discharge. In August 2016, I first spoke to the recruiter, next thing I took the ASVAB exam and on September 22nd went to MEPS. I did this without doing my research and understanding what I really wanted as my closet friends enlisted the Marines. I then began my research and began speaking to family and friends Air Force Veterans. As I did my research in the military, I then knew the Air force is the branch where I want to serve and be part of. I then made the decision that I no longer wanted to be a Marine but wanted to enlist in the Air force. I contacted the Air force recruiter advised him of my situation and I was accepted with the condition I obtain a DEP discharge from USMC. As I was 17 years old at time both my parents and I went to speak to the Marine recruiter. I was insulted and was called a “Sell out” as I wanted to change branches. I advised my recruiter, I made a hasty decision and was not given time to think things out and basically after research I changed my mind. I was scheduled to speak to the Gunnery Sergeant. He tried to convince me to stay and was advised to attend Poole workouts just to make sure I was not making the right choice. Once I attend the workouts, I will then need speak to him once again to discuss my choice and see if I had a change of heart. I attended as instructed by the Gunnery Sargent. After repeated voice mail messages and efforts to schedule an appointment. Finally, November 2016, I called and spoke to him and he then advised me he couldn’t do anything at this time. As it was the holidays and he didn’t want to disturb my recruiter as this would disrupt her holidays. I then waited to December, he then advised me he will be able to provide me the DEP discharge beginning or mid-January after the holidays. I just contacted him this week he advised me he cannot provide me my discharge as it is a long very long process and has to go through many chains of commands in the Marines. Basically, at this time I am still waiting without any updated information. I’ve contacted the Air force recruiter and was advised unfortunately, I have to wait for USMC to decide when they want to provide me the DEP Discharge as it is not ethical for one branch to take an enlisted member away from another branch. Please advise what do I am not committing a crime by changing branches why is it that they are making me feel like I am. I am committed to joining the military but not the Marines.

    • Chris Raye

      The Gunnery Sergeant is lying through his teeth to you. The process is only as long as taking your yellow MEPS packet from their filing cabinets and moving it to another area. If you are ever sent to your MEPS location again before you are sure you’re discharged, be it for a waiver, back up shipping, or shipping, tell your liaisons (the Marines in the office you check into) that you are done and want to be discharged immediately. Stand up for yourself and be firm if they try to bullshit you into believing it takes them any time or effort at all. You have already talked to the Air Force recruiter so they will know to expect a DEP discharge from the Marines, and will understand if the Marines had written unfavorable comments about what type of person you are (because they will try to make it look like it’s your fault because they are angry you are leaving to go to the Air Force). If the Gunnery Sergeant tries to bullshit with you again any time, or even during a trip to MEPS, don’t go out of your way to be kind to him about it and flat out tell him that you’ve given him enough damn time and you thought the Marines prided themselves on being the most efficient, elite branch of the military yet he can’t even handle a simple DEP discharge involving so much as moving a folder. In this world, a woman is seen as either a yes-man or a bitch, and he is playing you for a yes-man (someone who agrees happily to everything).

      The reason they are trying so dearly to hold onto you (having you further attend pool functions is BS, you could just never show up to those and they would be forced to discharge you) is because of recent regulations passed that raise required numbers of female recruiting. The Marines suck for women. They know that. Women who walk past their office know that. So when you signed the paper, they were hoping that you’d never realize that. They only want to keep you for the sake of their numbers and being a female makes you 10x more important than a male in their eyes–and I’m going to guess that you have a 70+ ASVAB as well, which would only make them hound you about it more.

      Simply put, you should stop attending pool functions for the Marines and spend more time with the Air Force. You could right a letter to the Commanding Officer of your MEPS location for a discharge, or if that is not fast enough for you, you could try obtaining their phone information and calling. Do not go through your recruiter any more because they do not want to cooperate with you. Go to the people who the numbers affect more–the MEPS personnel. You can keep in check with your Air Force recruiter about whether or not you have been discharged yet (don’t ask the Marines this or they’ll keep putting it off because they see you as being desperate for it). All it takes is for him to check in a computer system, I believe. There is no physical paperwork that says you have been discharged, and nothing that you have to sign or you have to wait for it to be signed for you to be discharged.

      Good luck to you, and you’ve made a really good decision to join the Air Force! Hope you get a great MOS and have a good time while you’re in the service!

      • Cynthia

        Thank you for the advice.

      • tgr

        I applaud your good answer to this young lady.
        Whoever this GySgt is, he reads like a typical low life recruiter douchebag whose sole focus is trying to intimidate inexperienced young people just to make his quota! The fact that he is petty and vindictive, and woefully unprofessional- speaks volumes about his true character!
        But on the flip side, with all due respect, young people today have a lot of tools available to them to doe their research UP FRONT before making an implied commitment! This web site has emphasized you never ever sign ANYTHING with the USMC unless you feel you can deal with (or endure) all the BS it is capable of!
        If it is still a policy of military recruitment to have young persons sign on to DEP and stay in that status for up to a YEAR, then ship out to their basic training, teenagers should really get the advice of those with more life experience and think about the following:
        When you are 17, a LOT can change within your critical year, and if you are not 300% sure that its still going to be what you want in a years time, then don’t commit in the first place!
        But I’ll get off my high horse and wish this young girl luck in her new pursuit. I hope she finds her professional home in the Air Force.
        Its just a shame that despite all its propaganda BS, the Corps is woefully incapable of being mature and professional in regard to situations like this. Most civilian organizations wouldn’t allow that type of incompetence!
        Take home lesson:
        The Marines do not meet you half way on anything! They see you as nothing but a ‘body’ to use for their convenience, and will try to get their POUND OF FLESH!

  • Jaz

    So i decided I wanted to tell my story..

    Originally my heart was set on the Air Force, when I had first went to take my asvab back in June I passed and everything but then my recruiter was like he wanted me to take it again to qualify for more jobs and i had to wait a month to retake it … so a month goes by and i text him to reschedule me another testing date , he tells me “study more”… so it’s august now and I call him (no answer) so I’m calling him the whole month of august and no ones answering ..so now I’m getting mad .
    September passed went through a depression cause i felt like he gave up on me …October comes I decide it’s time for me to take matters into my own hands..I met with a different recruiter who so happened to know my first recruiter I met with… he informed us that my old recruiter was going through family issues ,my whole thing is you should of contacted me informed me that you were going to be away for a little bit …
    Anyways so my new recruiter seems pretty determined and interested so I retake the asvab a week later passed got a higher score ..went back to the office and had to fill out this whole packet that was so long so he said it should take a week to get this paperwork into the system and that he would call me to tell me when my physical was …3 weeks! Go by I call him and ask him what’s going on he informs me he had to go out of town for family business …like wtf…
    Anyways I finally get scheduled for my physical go to meps qualified swore in and everything but never received a job ..they told me I have to wait until something becomes available ..it’s now January and I still haven’t heard anything from them …so I decided to meet with the army ..they have jobs for me to leave in 2 weeks ..but I have to get discharged …so I called my recruiter today and asked for a discharge and he was like “ok I’ll get that going for you” I knew he never cared but I’m just glad he’s not holding me back cause I’m ready to serve ..one of the worst experiences ever
    My advice is to never deal with recruiters who dont put in any effort with you ..they didn’t even recruit me i recruited myself

    • Chris Raye

      The reason the Air Force had you waiting for the ship date was because each specific MOS gets a “slot” open in boot camp/training when someone leaves the Air Force from that MOS. It has nothing to do with the recruiter’s efforts. If you can, I would try switching back to the Air Force if I was you. You will be treated a fair much better, get better job training and experience, and will transfer over to a civilian career more smoothly after. The Army may have your job open, yes, but you need to think about whether the differences in how your military service will be if you opt to take the shorter wait time and join the Army instead of the Air Force. You can always go through Air Force recruiters that are different (and more dedicated to their job) than the ones you originally worked with, granted you’re out of high school or about to graduate. In the end, it’s your choice, but the advice of many vets on this site and real life from the Navy, Army, and Marines say they wished they would have gone Air Force. Best of luck to you in whichever route you take!

  • James Stewart

    I’ve got a quick question, I was signed in DEP and was supposed to leave for boot on October 17th. A couple weeks before I was supposed to ship I tore my acl completely and badly tore my meniscus in two places. I was told my new date would be May 15th but as I get closer to my date I’m not so certain it’s the best fit for me. My knee feels weak and the doctors discovered a possible chronic weakness in my right shoulder. Am I obligated to leave in May? And am I still in the delayed entry program despite not signing any papers for May or even having gone back to MEPs? If I’m not still in the DEP what kind of discharge will I receive if I don’t go back and will it effect my future with government jobs like firefighting or the police force?

    • Chris Raye

      You would still be in the DEP for your May ship date if you have not contacted any member of your recruiting command to tell them you are not shipping. Your contract, though the original ship date states October 17th, will be valid for one year following the date you signed it. So, if you are kept in the DEP past May 15th and do not ship, you will receive another ship date and so on and so forth until the end of your one-year period. If you do not ship by then, then you would have to go through the MEPS process again to rejoin the DEP and get another ship date.

      You are by no means obligated to leave in May. When you sign into the DEP, you are doing just that–signing yourself to uphold the standards of maintaining your good legal record and avoiding drugs until you exit the DEP one way or another, be it through discharge or by shipping for boot camp.

      Do not take your doctors’ words for granted when it comes to your health. If you do not feel 100% up to your A-game in health, you should not be going to boot camp because A.) You will get more injured and be stuck there for longer, or possibly medically discharged after being stuck there for longer and never becoming a Marine if that’s what you want or B.) You go to boot camp and during the first days of medical processing, your injuries are discovered by the examiners and you are punished/discharged for them while being held around in MCRD for some time while your discharge processes (usually 2 weeks to one month).

      Also, if you are having second thoughts, that is normal for everyone who goes into boot camp. Now, don’t take this as the kind of answer you’ll see on Leatherneck.com when someone asks about quitting the DEP–I’m not gonna sit here and tell you “Everyone gets cold feet! Man up and go to boot! Become a Marine, OORAH!”

      You need to discern for yourself if you are having cold feet because this is a big change for you, or if you are having cold feet because it is a change that you really do not want to happen in your life. In your situation with your injuries, I would suggest notifying your recruiter (or higher-ups at MEPS, like liaisons or the Commanding Officer) of your wounds and what your doctors have said, and that you feel like you would not be able to perform your best at boot camp. Explain that when you go to boot camp, you would like to be fully capable of training without increased possibility of being delayed or discharged by injury, and it’s just not something you are willing to risk with your body being in its current state. You can request the discharge then and there, and tell them that you will come back when you have been cleared by a doctor and go back to MEPS for a waiver or a new enlistment, if your original one-year DEP contract has expired.

      After that, you are by no means obligated to come back to that office and go to MEPS again if you so choose. You will have been effectively discharged after your one year signing date if you do this, if not on the day you go in to tell your recruiter. They will be far more understanding of this than if you simply state that you’re having cold feet–cold feet they can force through boot, but medical runs the issue of a discharge, which reflects poorly on the recruiter’s numbers.

      During the time you are healing, take time to reflect on your opportunities now that you do not have an impending shipping date. Do you like the possibilities you have now? Are you certain you will have a sturdy future if you never look back? Do you regret leaving the DEP (not feeling guilty, this is a different thing)? Did you like your outlook for the future better when you were sure you would be joining the Marines?

      If you decide to go back and become a Marine, then do so by all means. If you don’t, find resources to help you get a job/go to college/move on with your life.

      *P.S. You will not receive a “kind” of discharge. When you leave the DEP, your yellow MEPS packet leaves the Marines Liaison office and goes to a storage room in the MEPS facility. They hold it there for several years in an inactive status before shredding it. There will just be a note left in the packet saying “DEP Attrite” and listing your reason for leaving should you choose to rejoin and your packet is brought back to the liaison. They will grant you a waiver. If you do not go back, the record of your DEP discharge is intangible to any other bodies besides the military. It will not effect opportunities to government jobs.*

  • Robert

    So I’ve just texted my recruiter about leaving the DEP program. He sent me this…. ” Ummm, we need to talk. So, be at the Head Office tomorrow morning at 7:30. We will go over things then”. Then out of curiosity and suspicion I asked him what we needed to go over. He then messaged me this….” Everything. For example, you told me you wanted to do this, you told me you wanted to never quit anything again. You have barley even started, things get better as you repeat them, you made a commitment, you swore and oath, and just because things are tough, doesn’t mean quit. I will see you tomorrow morning.” Tomorrow is Poolee PT…. Are they going to make an example of me? Should I just not go and if so what should I say? I’m a Senior in High School and didn’t really know what I was getting my self into, I realized that college is the right choice for me and that the Marine Corps isn’t. Any advice? Please help!

    • Master LCpl

      You are a civilian. You are not subject to the UCMJ. The recruiter has zero authority to tell you what to do. Text him back and tell him you have changed your mind and to cease communication or you will report it to the higher ups and you will not be there in the morning. You are underight no obligation to show up. You are doing yourself a favor by leaving the dep. Let us know if we can be of further assistance.

      Safety and Peace

      • Robert

        Thank you.

      • Robert

        Well he showed up to my school yesterday. He got me in a room and lectured me on how much of a mistake I am making… Now he told me if I want to get out that I have to talk to the head recruiter. I definitely don’t want to do that. Why the hell do they need that poolee shirt? He keeps asking me when I can go up to the head recruiting office. What should I do? Is it another trap?

        • Chris

          You can literally do nothing – keep the shirt, return it; it’s all the same.

          If you go to the office they’ll use sales techniques to see about helping you make the OTHER decision, which they will call the right decision. I was once sales manager, so I know a little about this. One technique is to disarm you in a friendly way. First, they should ask you if you’re alright, and if everything at home is okay. They want you to know they care about you so that you’ll be open when they say
          – “hey, when you came in you said you wanted money for college. Has something changed, like did you win the lottery?”
          – “you said you wanted to learn leadership skills. Do you not want to be a leader anymore?”

          Whatever you checked off on the “Why I Want to Become a Marine” sheet is what they should, if they’re good, use to steer you back toward those yellow footprints.

          There’s only two reasons you should consider going to the office:
          1) You really might want to join
          2) You want to see psychology via sales like I described

          Don’t do the second unless you are strong enough to say no, no matter how you feel inside those 4 walls, because you won’t want to say no. It’s like hearing a timeshare presentation; in the pitch it seems like a sweet deal, but once you get a day between you and that meeting, it looks different.

          Lastly, tell them you’re not giving them the shirt back. You don’t owe them an explanation, but feel free to say it got a hole in it. It’s okay to lie to salesmen.

          • Robert

            Gotcha!

        • Billiam201

          In short, yes. It’s a trap.

          This way, he can herd you into a room with their best salesman (remember, that’s how these people get promoted) and let him hammer on you for a while.

          This article details the relevant orders, and feel to print copies to carry with you, or to highlight and quote to him as needed.

          Nothing scares marines like subordinates who actually read the orders.

        • tj

          You were very clear with him that you don’t want to join, so get some toughness and tell him to F. off, and if he approaches you again you’ll consider it harassment and call the police on him!
          If you are still in High School your going to have to learn a bitter life lesson early- that people aren’t going to hesitate to sell you something you don’t need, or try to fuck you over when it comes to money ( just so they can get theirs!), and will resort to any underhanded tactic to get what only benefits them!
          Refuse to have anything to do with them, and if they want the damn shirt back demand that they send you a full postage paid packet to send the shirt to their office!
          Remember- you are NOTHING to him except for a recruiting number, so he can get points for promotion!

        • Master LCpl

          Yes, it is a trap. As others have already stated, your recruiter is trying to get you to come in so they can put you with another high pressure salesman who will try every jedi mind trick to get you to stay. After all, they need to “make mission” to get promoted and keep the higher ups off their backs. You can tell the recruiter again that you have changed your mind and he is to cease all communication. If you wish to do it in person, here are the relevant pages of mco P1100.72C you can show him. Stand your ground and do not give into any threats or pressure tactics he and others may use.

          Safety and Peace
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      • Hope

        Just posted my situation,hope to hear back from you or some of your guys advice. Thanks

    • jt

      Congratulations on fucking over the very definition of a slime ball- a Marine Recruiter!
      You are not obligated to do anything he asks of you. Enjoy your college life, and have no regrets that you didn’t waste your time putting up with the aggravation that is a Marine enlistment!

      • Robert

        Awesome! Thank you.

        • jt

          Thank this web site. And if those POS recruiters bother you any more , give them an IhatetheUSMC F*ck U.

          Your recruiter only gave a damn about his quota to earn points for his promotion. He never gave a rats ass about what was right for you.

        • Billiam201

          If he gives you any shit, just tell him I said it was OK. 🙂

          • Robert

            I haven’t heard back from him. So hopefully it will stay that way.

          • Master LCpl

            I second the OK.

        • Raptor Jesus

          You made the right decision, worst mistake of my life !!! Get the fuck away from that crazy ass recruiter

        • Raptor Jesus

          Don’t fall for the hyped commercials like I did

  • Hope

    Hello, i need some advice. I am in the DEP for marines its only been 4 days since i swore in. I was completly thrilled when i was accepted due to the fact i had to get a few background wavers for dumb crap like traffic and a fighting ticket i got in highschool and 2 tattoos. Point is i finally got the green light but i have never gone over jobs with my recruiter and for the past few days i have been researchinf jobs and i got a 70 on my asvab but im not quite satisfied or interested in the job options for marines. So then looked at Air Force jobs and they REALLY caught my attention, im going to speak to someone in Air Force and my boyfriend is going to talk to them for mw also and find out if im able to switch and be accepted in Air Force before i even ask to be discharged because i really dont want to lose my opportunity in the military in general. Should i be worried the airforce might not accept me because of my past history with the law and my tattoos? This is all i ever wanted was to join the military but i think i chose marines for all the wrong reasons like the damn title of being a “badass” but now i feel dumb. Am i stuck ?

    • Worrying about if they’ll take you will get you nowhere. Go to the USAF recruiter’s office tomorrow and get it over with. Maybe they’ll take you, maybe not.

      On jobs: many jobs are the same across the board; they just wear different sets of camo-colored PJs.

      On being stuck: you’re not stuck. You are not a marine, and until you get on a plane heading to MCRD you can go anywhere you want. Enjoy that while you have it.

      If the AF rejects you, big deal. You have more options than you know about.
      – Navy
      – Coast Guard
      – Israeli Army (a friend of mine joined them)
      – United Nations military
      – State Guard units

      On being a badass: yeah, some people will mistakenly think you’re some kind of badass, and people are willing to trade 4 years of horrible haircuts and stupid rules just for that, but you’ve seemed to conclude that it’s not worth the benefits, so you need to move on.

  • Dezeray

    I’ve enlisted into the Airforce and I’ve decided to not go anymore. I’ve been through the MEPS and have told my recruiter no already plus my leave date was may 2. Is there a chance I can join later if I decide I actually want to?

    • You can join later. You may not get to, but you could. Something to consider is that going later will likely be less of an option. This is not a military thing, but general life stuff.

      If you’re thinking of waiting until after college or law/med school, then that’s a great idea, and you should. But if you’re just going to be living an adult life and think you’ll want to join later, you probably won’t.

      Only about 1 in 11 people in the US serve in the military. That’s because we have so many people and only so much need, so you need to look inside yourself and figure it out: why join at all? And if you don’t, is there another way to serve your country, such as working in the National Parks, joining the FBI, becoming a teacher, or putting forth a bill to become law.

  • raymond

    How would I know when the removal from the DEP actually got approved? or how would I know if my recruiter actually even sent in my request to be removed?

    • Ask for confirmation. Send a message and say,

      “Hi SSgt Jones.

      I know you are busy, but can you send me confirmation that I am no longer in the DEP? Thanks for taking the time to help me learn more about joining the military.

      Your Best, Most Handsome, Friend, Raymond!”

      You have my permission to copy/paste that.

      Now, what’s next?

  • Kittisak Promsakha Na Sakonnak

    Hi I am currently attending college and I have sworn in and done DD 4 form i believe for the marines. Now that I am in the DEP program before shipdate, I changed my mind upon going to bootcamp and I asked my recruiter if it was ok to be discharge for continuing my college career/jobs. From my understanding, today upon having a session with one of staff sergeant at the main office, i have the fractured arm and wanting to be on the safe side and not wanting to be a part of Marine. He called me as a liar and telling me that I am not giving a ‘good’ enough reason to leave DEP. Now in two days I have to speak with Gunnery Sergeant, but I am afraid he will tell me the same thing. Is it the best option to not show up for shipdate and Just get an auto discharge? Or what is my best option? Thank you for listening

    • Are you in a cast or brace? If you actually have a bone with a fracture you cannot go to basic training. However, bones heal, and I imagine come September you’ll be playing football with your buddies in the quad.

      If you don’t actually have a fracture, then you just need to own this. Go, or don’t. If you don’t want to go, but do anyway, and don’t have the guts to openly refuse to train on day zero, then you can wait until the rifle range. You will get 6 chances to pass as a marksman over 2 weeks. Then you’ll get sent back in training for 6 more chances.

      You’ll leave MCRD with a couple thousand bucks, a lost summer, and having thoughtlessly cost all of us tens-of-thousands of dollars all because you couldn’t just stand up for yourself against some guys you’ll never see again who wouldn’t give you the easy way out.

      • Kittisak Promsakha Na Sakonnak

        I just want to go back to everything as normal without going into the Marine Corp but I am also afraid that they wont let me go easily. Can i cease all communication and just get discharge after awhile ? The fractured was in the past back in Thailand but the doctor discolated the bone also so the use in physical training is worsening my body than it had to

        • Yes, you can just stop talking to them. If they need you to sign anything ask them to send it, and you will promptly mail it back. Since you have a ship date it is merely good manners to let them know – under no circumstances – that you’re going. Also, someone else might want to leave sooner, but can’t because you have that spot.

          You are making the right decision, but don’t blame them; no one told you to show up, wear dumb t-shirts with a company logo, and associate with people who are training for free to be members of the working poor.

          So be courteous one last time, and just say, “Dear Sirs, I’m not joining. I am sorry for any inconvenience this caused, and thank you for your time and attention. Sincerely, Thai-Guy”

          I wish you the best of luck, and be sure to double down on your studies, because you may end up on Parris Island otherwise.

          • Kittisak Promsakha Na Sakonnak

            Hi Mr. Pascale, It has been over two weeks since the talks and getting out of DEP. I have sent email to recruiter and gunnery at the station, but there is nothing about discharge since then. I have been asking them and I do not know if I am still in it or not, and wanting to join Air Force instead. Any help is appreciate Thanks!

          • You can call me Chris.

            1) Print off those emails you sent to the recruiter’s office.
            2) Visit the AF recruiter’s office.
            3) Tell him/her you want to join. Once they have you in their system, explain the USMC DEP system, give them copies of the emails, and let the recruiter do the work from there.

            If your USMC recruiter calls you, let him know you really appreciate the time he took with you, and that you don’t want to waste any more of his time. And that should be it.

          • Kittisak Promsakha Na Sakonnak

            Hi Chris, sorry to bother a lot. I have try to get into branches, but most of offices turned me down and say the same thing “you stuck with the marines, buddy ” It seems like that I am hopeless at this point and cannot explain to my mother why I want to change branches and none of the people at my recruiting office would respond to me if I am still in the system or not, which worry me the most. I just wanted to make sure since the last interview was clear that i want to persuit my college as now im a sophomore and wanted to change branches. I still today do not know if I am in their DEP system or not, any helps appreciate. Thank you for your time.

          • General Slapnuts

            Reading your comments above i see you dont like confrontation. Just wait a year from your DEP enrollment. your going to college anyway right?

            I did some recruit assist duty and the other recruiter probably figures you are wasting his time. Dont take it personally.

          • Joining a different branch: What’s the rush? You have a fracture that needs to heal.

            Your mom: She told everyone you were joining the marines, and they were all like “oh, wow! ThaiGuy is joining the marines!” and made her feel good. She’s no longer able to say that. In fact, she’s probably still telling people you are joining. Essentially, she feels like she’s losing the esteem she gained by proxy, which you could prevent by just changing your whole life forever by doing something you don’t want to do.

            It reminds me of that one time I said maybe I’d like to be a doctor. I was 17. Two years later my aunt asked why I wasn’t still interested in studying medicine and I had no idea what she was talking about. What happened was I said the first thing to my mother, and she told some people “MY SON’S GOING TO BE A DOCTOR!”

            Interestingly enough, about that same time I looked into being a sperm donor, too, but you didn’t see her telling everyone about it.

            If your mom’s the type she’ll use your aversion to conflict as a way to bully you into joining. At some point you’re going to have to step up and stick up for yourself. It’s going to be hard in the moment, but easier the rest of your life.

  • Wyatt Bishop

    I have changed my mind on what I want to do these next couple years as something came up. I originally thought that I wanted to enlist for the next couple years then pursue college in the future, however I now wish to have my name removed from the Delayed Entry Program as I got into the college that I didn’t expect to. Thank you for your time and patience.

    Does this seem like the correct thing to say to my recruiter, I’ve been to meps twice sworn in but still have to go back for fingerprints but I no longer wish to join.

    • Master LCpl

      The short answer: Do not contact your recruiter any further and do not show up on your ship date. The long answer: Contact your recruiter and tell him or her you have changed your mind and wish to be discharged from the D.E.P. They will most likely try to pressure you into staying as you will cost them promotion points. They may also try to use scare tactics such as dishonorable discharge, etc. None of which are true. As a courtesy, tell your recruiter that you appreciate their time and such but you have chosen not to enlist and your decision is final. Let us know if we can be of further assistance.

      Safety and Peace

  • Millennial

    I fell for the hype of the Marines during my senior year and it only made sense to join the DEP. Big mistake on my part after realizing 5 years is a long time and I’d much rather just go to college instead. (cue the small violin) Unfortunately my father, being the die hard Marine he is, thinks I’m making the worst mistake of my life after I told him my intentions. Oh and being thrown in jail and such. My ship for boot is June 26th and from what I’ve read all I need to do is tell my recruiter that I no longer wish to be apart of the program, correct? At least I’m hoping that is all and thanks in advance

    • xyz

      Read what’s written above, send an official notice to your recruiter saying you are no longer interested, and demand that you get official acknowledgement of your ‘disenrollment’! THEY CANNOT THROW YOU IN JAIL!
      That being said, you’d better have a solid, no BS plan about your college pursuit to demonstrate to your father that you are SERIOUS about studying and (ultimately) graduating on time and on budget! And even when you graduate, the Marine Corps will still be there!
      During my time on active duty, and having had a father who served on active duty, I can say that I’ve seen some young men join just because their Dads pushed them to. It may work out, but in some cases what was good for Daddy isn’t necessarily good for their reluctant son. In my case, it took me a long time before I finally got fed up with the USMC and its stupidity.
      This may cause some household friction. but if you really don not want to join the Marine Corps, and if your father was one of these hardcore OHHRAHH types (feel sorry for you if that’s the case) then you had better STAND UP TO HIM NOW and have that shit fight, as opposed to spending 5 years of your own life being miserable!
      That being said (again), if you just want to go to college to party, smoke weed, and have an easy life then it reflects your immaturity, lack of discipline, and lack of commitment. Even if your Dad wasn’t a (moto) Marine, no parent would be impressed by that.

    • You won’t go to jail for ditching on the DEP, but you could go to jail for ditching on the Corps.

      Have you been accepted into a college? Do you have access to money for tuition, or will you be taking out loans? Do you live in an area where you could afford to live in your own place with a menial job (Louisiana, Niagara Falls, etc.), or would it be an impossibility (New York City, Washington, DC, etc.)?

      Being as young as you are, it is okay that you might not have everything in a row, but you better be lining everything up, and fast, because you’re defying your father, who I imagine is supporting you financially, and his perception is about to be temporarily altered for the worse.

      Having said this, you have to stay strong, because this is your life, and while there are some great benefits to joining the military, there are 5 branches to choose from, plus State Guard units, and they will all be there in the next 1-10 years.

    • Chris Raye

      Everyone else here has given you the low-down on how you’re going to get out of the DEP and what to expect, so I’m gonna pop in with getting you started on getting into college now because from the way your father sounds it’s going to get real hairy after you get out. My parents were the same when I dropped from the DEP and it was difficult to get into college without their help because no one truly outlines the way.

      First of all, to even get accepted you will need a high school diploma (check) and the status of your eligibility for federal financial aid which is required regardless of whether or not you’ll accept it.

      Step One: Go to this website and get your FSA ID. It is a “link” to this year’s tax information for you that you will use to shorten the process of getting financial aid. It is required. https://fsaid.ed.gov/npas/index.htm

      Step Two: Using your new FSA ID, you will have to fill out the form for federal financial aid, the FAFSA. That form is filed electronically here: https://fafsa.ed.gov/

      *When you have gotten near the end of filling it out, it’s going to have you list the schools you are applying to as you won’t get accepted to them without the FAFSA. The ones you list will automatically be sent the results so you don’t have to print and mail.

      After you’ve finished your financial aid, make sure you apply to colleges if you haven’t already. Get accepted. Go to the college in person and get set on counseling and advising for first years; from there they will lead you step-by-step through the rest of the process.

      Handling your father’s response to dropping out of the DEP: GET THE POLICE INVOLVED IN ANY PHYSICAL CONFRONTATION IF HE TRIES TO HIT YOU. But before you leave the DEP, create a backup plan with a buddy/other family member that you can room with until you get your own place/your father cools down.

      Start applying for jobs. Most will be online-only applications. You are under no means obligated to tell them about leaving the DEP even if they bring up prior military service as you never served.

      This is all I can think of right now, but I can elaborate if needed and help answer other questions.

  • Pork

    I just did this today when my ship date was June 19th. I realized I had made a mistake joining at 17(now 18) and I’m now going to enroll in college. I think I rushed in and didnt weigh my options but will I will probably try to commission after college. Will a ELS discharge hurt my chances at OCS and do I have to contact the recruiter anymore after texting him I want to leave the DEP? Thanks.

    • I knew an officer who was going to enlist because his girlfriend got pregnant, and they were going to get married. Luckily, they had parental support on both sides. He told his recruiter, “I think I’m going to finish college,” and there was some kind of program for him.

      I don’t know if he was 1 year or 3 from graduating, but I am confident his contract was completely null and void in the process.

      Tell your recruiter you want to be commissioned, so you’re going to college. If he gives you any static it’s because he can’t get any credit for it (and he doesn’t give a crap about your future) since it’s 3+ years out. If he’s a good dude with a heart for helping future marines you’ll get some valid info.

      Once you’re on campus there will be marine recruiters there at least once a year, and you can always stop into the local recruiting office where they’ll be eager to help you learn about what’s out there.

      Never forget your recruiter is a salesman. If he says “this is your only chance,” that’s a sales ploy, much like how “this deal won’t last!” and other such stuff.

  • Chop

    I’m in the DEP, but to go into a reserve unit. The guy at the head office said he needs me to go in to sign some papers for my removal. What is it that I need to sign? Do I really need to sign them, since a lot of the advice on here recommends to just cut off all contact with the recruiter?

    • Billiam201

      He is trying to get you in front of him so he can bribe, cajole, and threaten you into staying.

      If you wish to be courteous, by all means go, but make sure that neither he nor any of his recruiters is your ride.

    • There’s a similar situation below where “Robert” was leaving DEP. You’ll get some good info there – just scroll down.

      Respectfully ask him (email or text) to send it to you. If it seems shady, redact personal info (with white-out or a Sharpie), and then post on here. If he disrespects you in the exchange (a good reason to be on text or email), feel free to send to us so we can let people know that some recruiters are smiling to your face, but are flipping you the bird as you fly to MCRD.

    • Master LCpl

      You do not need to sign anything to be released from the DEP. They want you in front of them so they can try to pressure you into staying. Text or email is the best way to communicate since there will be a record of your conversation but if you do go see them in person, stand your ground and FIRMLY tell them you have changed your mind and wish to be released. And, as stated many times on this site, ignore the threats of bad discharge, loss of citizenship, screwed for life, etc. The recruiter’s only concern is losing promotion points and keeping the higher ups off his back. Let us know if we can be of further assistance.
      Safety and Peace

  • Richard Neumeyer III

    I have been trying to get dropped from the DEP for at least three weeks now. They told me that by the first I should be out. I asked about it and was told this by the recruiter like wth? “look I’m not trying to be short with you or anything but put it this way. You are backing out on a commitment you made and promise you said you would follow through with. Why should I go out of my way to do anything for you?” Aren’t they supposed to just let you go?

    • Chris Raye

      They are supposed to let you go. It shouldn’t have taken them any time which required having you hang around or come back into the office after you made yourself clear on dropping. Next thing you know they’ll try to give you some BS on “you have to go to boot and on the first day tell them that your recruiter and you discussed being dropped so you would like to be dropped now.” Getting discharged from the DEP is as simple as them moving your MEPS packet from one file room to another.

      You should call (by phone, preferably) the Marine in charge of your MEPS to let them know of your station’s misconduct in releasing you and affirm that you will no longer be attending poolee events or shipping. If your recruiter tries to call you back angrily for going one step above him, give him the response, “I’m not trying to be short with you or anything, but put it this way. You promise to have me out by the first and you are backing out on a commitment you made and promise you said you would follow through with. Why should I go out of my way to do anything for you?”

      Best of luck in the future, and if your recruiter attempts any contact with you after you’ve contacted MEPS personel, report that recruiter for misconduct and make the work a better place.

      • Kimishima Kana

        I’m in the same boat, what is the fastest way to get dropped from the marine dep and switch to another branch?

        • Chris Raye

          First, go to the recruiter for the branch you want and explain that you will be dropping out of the marine dep to join them, and they will help guide you through anything that comes up. Next, don’t even bother with your marine recruiter go straight to your meps personnel and tell them to drop you immediately. Don’t tell them you’re going to another branch (unless your new branch recruiter says to let them know) and they will discharge you faster because they will be upset that you are joining a branch other than them and hold onto you to prevent you from joining. Make sure you let them know to notify you as soon as your discharge is finalized, which, and let them know firmly that this is expected of them, should take no longer than 10 days. Your new recruiter should be able to help you from there and you can ask me any questions if I didn’t explain clearly enough 🙂

          • Kimishima Kana

            Who do I contact to get dropped out of the marine corps dep? I told my recruiter I wanted to get dropped last month and he said alright. When I tried to process for another branch they said I’m still in the marine corps system.

          • Chris Raye

            Since you’ve already talked to both recruiters about this, that means the Marines are holding your DEP contract active until it expires at the one-year anniversary of when you signed it. It doesn’t mean they’re going to force you to ship or anything, they’re just dissappointed that you are joining another branch instead of them and forcing you to wait like this is their “punishment” toward you.

            You can either wait it out and keep in contact with your new branch recruiter until they see that the Marine Corps system says you’re out of the DEP either by one-year or because the discharge was finalized, or you can write a letter to the Marine Regional MEPS commander asking for immediate discharge and to mail you a letter as soon as it’s processed so you will know when it has been done.

            Normally a DEP discharge only takes seconds; they move your yellow MEPS packet from the Marine liaison office to a filing system for people who leave the DEP and it will stay there for 7/8 years (the term you would have served) to keep documentation in case you rejoin. In your case your recruiter/MEPS personnel were unhappy and decided to hold onto your packet as long as they can to keep it from going to your new branch’s office sooner.

          • Kimishima Kana

            Thanks for the reply, I’m currently seeking political help from my local congressman.

            It seems that they are holding til my 1 year anniversary. I was suppose to ship in June, then it was delayed to September. I joined the DEP in Jan.

          • Kimishima Kana

            I can’t find my Marine Regional MEPS commander in San Jose.

          • Chris Raye

            See if your new branch recruiter can get you information on your new branch Regional MEPS Commander. That Commander works in the same building as the Marines Commander and should be able to give you his information, or you can ask your new branch recruiter if he already knows who the Marine Commander is.

          • Chris Raye

            Sorry for the long wait but I went and looked up the info for my own MEPS to see if you could do the same for yours. Mine was here: http://www.9thmcd.marines.mil/Recruiting-Stations/Recruiting-Station-St-Louis/Command/

            Find out what district you are in from your new recruiter and input that in place of 9th. (EX. if you are in the 8th district, it’s http://www.8thmcd.marines/mil/) Then change St-Louis to San-Jose

            There’s gonna be a photo that says Commanding Officer under it and a name next to it. Use the MEPS address but put his/her name as the person to be mailed to.

    • Unless you’re trying to go to another branch, just go about your business and forget it. If you’d like to speed this along, send an extremely brief email every Monday with the SUBJ “Status Update?” and politely ask in 1 sentence if you’re out yet. Cc the most senior person you have an email for when you do so that they know his numbers are not quite what he is claiming.

  • Howdy

    Hey so I think I’m being threatened by my recruiter and I want to know if there’s any merit to it, or if he’s just trying to scare me. Some stuff came up in my personal life about a month after going through MEPS and I stopped showing up for PT for a few weeks because of personal issues/realizing what my life would be if I did ship out. Anyways after a couple weeks he texted me saying he discharged me because I wasn’t showing up and I was fine with that so I just left it at that. Now about a month or two later he texts me out of the blue saying that “you need to come to my office to sign these discharge papers unless you want to be looking over your shoulder for the rest of your life”.
    So I’m wondering if this guy is just BS’ing me to try and get me back in his office or if I do actually need to go down there.

    • Chris Raye

      He’s BS’ing you, Howdy. He said he’d discharged you a month ago, but now somehow that discharge isn’t a thing and you have to come sign it? You don’t have to sign anything to escape the Marine Corps unless you signed anything to sell your soul to it (and your first trips to MEPS isn’t that contract, it’s a DEP contract that says you will be a respectable person until you leave the DEP by discharge or by shipping). He is going to try to get you into the office to harass you into re-upping your DEP status and shipping.

      The best advice I can give is to text him back that you know he is trying to play you into coming in to rejoin, and that you are having none of it and if he does not finalize your discharge and cease contact you will report him for misconduct.

      Best of wishes, feel free to let us know if there is anything else we can help with as you deal with this.

    • Thank him for his help, and then let him know he can mail it to you.

      Also, don’t be afraid to send those screenshots to this site, and we can post them (blurring out phone numbers, of course).

  • Don

    Howdy. Requested separation from DEP, was told via text (I have all the screenshots) that it would officially happen in June. Come July I asked about it, since I never received any discharge letter or even a text, however my recruiter never replied. Now it is August, I’ve just sent another text asking about it, and kindly offering to take it to his higher ups if he ignored this text as well. Did I handle it correctly? I just want to see the discharge papers in my hand. I’m paranoid they’ll drag me back one day because I never officially got discharged. Is this a legitimate fear? And if he does ignore this text, would contacting his seniors actually work? I have no freakin’ clue what I’m doing. Please help.

    • S.

      The DEP is all bullshit. There is no obligation on your part to do anything or participate in anything. They have no power over you as the contract is just a formality, not actually binding.

      You are all set up until the point you have to get on a bus/plane to travel to bootcamp. Once you step foot in bootcamp you are government property.

    • S.

      Hook us up with a story and screenshots. We will turn this into an article and you can show them. They will “discharge” you quickly after that.

    • Master LCpl

      Send your story/screenshots to masterlcpl@gmail.com or commandantusmc@ihatetheusmc.com. Give us a bit to review them and we will get them posted on the site.

  • austin

    Is it possible to delay my boot camp date? My finances are a mess, and my house hasn’t sold yet.

  • bradley

    Can I change my ship date? I ship out next week and my finances are a mess! The the buyer for my house just backed out, and I also don’t feel physically able yet to make it through recruit training. I was given a special exception and let into the DEP with a GED, due to my reason behind having to get it. What can I do? Please help!

    • S.

      Talk to your recruiters and see if they are willing to help you. Tell them your situation. If they do not help you, come back here and let us know.

  • Alex

    Doesn’t this work for uscg?

    • Chris Raye

      Yes, all branches use the same DEP program and have the 180-day Entry Level Separation option.

      • George

        How long does a DEP discharge take? And will i receive a notice that i was discharged? I sent a request to discharge letter like 3 weeks ago.

        • Chris Raye

          If your letter request included a line saying that you would like to be mailed with notification when you are discharged, then you’ll get a notice but in most cases you won’t. I personally didn’t get one either.

          Since you mailed your request, you can expect that your discharge was processed either the day of or up to ten days after it was received by your MEPS Commander (depending on how many other processes they had to do before they could get to your paper work–a DEP discharge is nothing more than moving your yellow med packet from the Poolees file cabinet, where you would collect it from to take it with you during shipping, to an all-branches storage room where it will be kept until it would expire had you served in case you decide to join again they can pull it out for easy re-submission).

          It is very likely you’ve already been discharged but weren’t mailed a notification. If you’d like to be sure, go to a recruiter from another branch and pretend you’re interested in switching branches and want to know if your discharge was processed. That recruiter will check if it’s in the system and if you’ve been discharged, give him a smile and tell him a thank you and that you’re off to check out what the other branches have to offer before jumping to a decision a second time. You don’t have to enlist again or go to MEPS at all, but it’s a little trick to see if you’re still in the Marines system.

          If the recruiter tells you you haven’t been discharged, mail MEPS again with another letter request to be discharged and include that you want notification. They should have already read your first by now, but if a second comes through and is more stern than the last they’ll be sure to abide by it.

          • George

            So i should’ve send the letter to the MEPS commander? Not to the recruiting station commander? Gosh, i made a mistake. Anyways sir Chris, thank you so much for your advice.

          • Chris Raye

            They’re the same person, but I used the word MEPS Commander to signify the person who works at MEPS rather than the general head recruiter of a Recruiting Station (a Recruiting Station is typically in a large city, like Chicago, and the recruiter in charge of it also oversees Recruiting Sub Stations affiliated with it– i.e. RS Chicago oversees RSS Aurora and RSS Joliet).

            You didn’t make a mistake and I hope all goes well in your journey out of the DEP program and into your chosen future! It’s now two days shy of when I first enlisted in the Marine Corps and every day I think about how grateful I am to have walked away and started my career instead, so don’t be afraid of what’s to come because it’s a lot better world out there than the Corps could have ever offered you!

  • George

    How long does a DEP discharge take? And will i receive a notice that i was discharged?

  • Ray

    Requested a discharge from DEP just a day ago. Through text. It was read by my recruiter within seconds, but I didn’t get a reply until about 5 hours later saying “I got you. We would have to meet next week.” From what I’m reading on this thread, there is literally nothing I have to meet him for is there? Only thing that came to mind is turning in what they gave me after my first swear in. Which was a t shirt a bag and a future soldier ID card that you can use on base for the store and what not.

    • S.

      You don’t have to return the shirt lol. You don’t have to return anything at all. What you need to do is be very firm, confident and do not allow them to make you do anything from this point forward. You can very sternly explain to them that they are not to contact you further. You are not required to do anything whatsoever.

    • If you scroll down you’ll see some advice to Robert I gave, explaining that the point of bringing you back in is to use the list of reasons you’re joining against you. It’s an effective sales technique, and they really have nothing to lose.

      For example, if you checked off that you wanted money for college, they’ll say, “Hey you said you wanted money for college. Do you not want to go to college anymore? Did you have an aunt pass away who left you $100,000?” Whatever your answer they’re approach is that they are there to help you, and they have solutions to your problems. If you checked off “Leadership skills,” they’ll ask you if you’re not interested in being a leader anymore.

      You’re stepping into their domain, and from a psychological standpoint, it could be interesting, but you’ll be dealing with trained professionals who have a stake in you joining, and something to lose (having to do work) if you don’t.