How to Get Out of the Marine Corps

how to get out of the marine corps

This information regarding how to smoothly Check Out of your unit and EAS from the marine corps was compiled at Camp Pendleton between February and June of 2012.  Be advised that the Transition Assistance Program (TAP) is a Dept of Labor course, and not subject to military orders, etc.  As such, while the procedures may vary slightly between locations, it should be fairly consistent.  If your experience is different from what I’ve described, please let me know in a comment so I can continue to provide accurate information.

 

Step one: Medical:  For most of us on this site, our enlistments have been spent getting injured in some way shape or form, and then getting a couple of Motrin from the corpsman and going back to training because going to the BAS is eternally frowned upon.  Your first step is to correct this.  Go to Medical, and get any little ache or pain you may feel documented, this will assist you in applying for VA Disability benefits.  It is not required to document a condition for you to claim it for VA benefits, but it is recommended.  If you do not have it documented, the VA may ask for a letter from a co-worker or the chain of command supporting your story.

Also, when they ask you to describe your pain on a scale of 0-10 (with 10 being the worst pain imaginable) DO NOT give any answer less than an 8.  They are asking you to assign a number to your pain, when the fact of the matter is you are either in pain or you are not, so hand out 8s, 9s, and 10s and make them take note. (This is the advice given to me by the TAP class instructor; I’m not just making this up)

Finally, there is a paper that should be in your Medical Record called the “Medical Surveillance Questionnaire” (If it’s not there, you need to get one).  This is your chance to SELF-REPORT any contact with hazardous materials (i.e. CLP, CS gas, OC spray if you’ve been pepper sprayed, mold, fumes and smoke from an Afghanistan burn pit, etc.).  You DO NOT need a corpsman to fill out the Medical Surveillance Questionnaire, you can do it all by yourself.  (Please note that any contact with hazardous materials should be filled out in PART III, which is on the backside of the sheet about halfway down.)

 

Step two: Final Physical:

The Final Physical can be done any time within 6 months of your EAS.  While it CAN be done after TAP class, it is recommended that you do it beforehand.  To make this go as smoothly as possible there are a few things you should make sure you have done.

The first thing you’re going to want to know is that they’re going to need to do a blood draw, and a urine sample.  For this blood draw they need you to have not eaten or drank anything (except water) for the past 12 hours.  Also, no tobacco products for the past 12 hours.  Note: The docs at my BAS informed me that they have a lot of marines who come in having not eaten for almost 18 hours, and they pass out during the blood draw just from not having eaten for so long and then having a portion of their blood removed.  To prevent this, it is recommended that you walk in the door to medical after 11 hours and 30 minutes of no eating or drinking, that way by the time the paperwork is done you’re right at 12 hours and your chance of passing out from the combination of hunger and blood loss is as minimal as possible.

[Update, Nov 27 2013: One commenter below has informed me that Medical is no longer requiring you to fast prior to the blood draw. If anyone reading this could confirm or deny this information I’d be very appreciative.]

Now, when you walk in the door at 11 hours and 30 minutes of no food, drink, or tobacco, one of the docs is going to take you into his office and ask some basic questions about your health while they go through and look at your medical record.  (This is a good time to bring up any little ache or pain that you may want documented for VA benefits)  The doc will also give you a packet of paper for you to fill out that asks more detailed questions about your health.

Note: This packet will also inform you that you will need to have an up to date Dental exam, Hearing conservation exam (audiogram), and Optometry exam (ONLY if you wear glasses).  Females also need to complete a Well Woman exam.  You will need to bring the paperwork packet with you to these appointments so that they can sign off that you’re healthy enough to EAS.

Once the packet is complete return to your BAS and they will schedule your Final Physical.  Getting the actual physical done is very quick; I was in and out in less than 20 minutes.  All you really need to remember is to be sure to bring the packet with you.  The doc is going to ask a couple of questions, check your pulse, check your blood pressure, etc, all the basic medical stuff that everyone knows about, and then they’ll sign your paperwork, and you’ll be done and on your way.  Once you’re done, look through the packet and find the “Memorandum For The Record” and ensure that both the “Medical Officer” and “Dental Officer” lines have been signed.  Ensure that you keep the “Memorandum For The Record” in a safe place, you will need to take it to IPAC when you EAS or go on Terminal Leave.

 

Step three: TAP Class:

Eligibility Requirements:  Less than 1 year remaining in Active Duty.  (Technically it is supposed to be done before you’re 90 days out, however they realized that some commands are run by idiots and will accept you regardless.)

Required Supplies:

TWO COPIES of DD Form 2648: The form must be filled out entirely (For pages 2-4, you can pretty much go down the line checking “yes” for everything.), you must sign and date Block 28A and 28B, and you must have your career planner sign Block 27 (DO NOT let him sign Block 28C and 28D.)

ONE COPY of your S.M.A.R.T.:  Click “Transcripts” across the top, then “Transcript” down the left side, right-click the document that shows up in the frame, and open it in a new window, this will give you a transcript that you can print. The UNOFFICIAL Transcript is the one you want.  DO NOT request an Official Transcript; that’s the one you would send to a college.

ONE COPY of your VMET:  You can log in on the right side with your MyPay information.  PRINTING INSTRUCTIONS:  MAC Users: Across the top of the page click “Request Document”, then click anywhere on the actual document itself (this is important).  Go to File, Print Current Frame.  PC Users: Across the top of the page click “Request Document”, then click anywhere on the actual document itself (this is important), then go to File, Print Preview, and make sure the second box from the right says “Only the frame selected”.  (In case I’ve confused you I’ve enclosed a picture for PC Users)

 

VMET PC
Printing Visual for PC Users

 

YOUR MEDICAL RECORD: Can be checked out from your BAS by filling out a small pink slip stating your name, the date you checked it out on, and where you’re taking it.  This can seriously be accomplished in 5 minutes or less, depending on how quickly the BAS finds your medical record.  You will need to make TWO COPIES of all of the paperwork in your medical record.  If you wish to make additional copies, that is advisable but not required.  (Your dental record is never specifically mentioned, but if you have had any sort of dental trauma – such as chipping a tooth, getting a tooth knocked out, etc – since you’ve been in the marine corps, bringing two copies of your dental record is also advisable.) Once you’re done making copies of your Medical/Dental records be sure to return them to your BAS.

YOUR SERVICE RECORD BOOK:  The marine corps has gone paperless with SRBs.  So now in order to get a physical copy of your SRB you must go to Marine Online. On the far right hand side click on the tab that says “My OMPF” and print all of the Image files contained therein.  (Image Below)  Be advised that this will most likely be in excess of 60 pages, so if you’re printing at a Learning Resource Center or on-base library where there’s a printing limit, it may take several trips to print all of it.

My OMPF
Locations of Image Files on My OMPF

 

Attending TAP:

[Update, April 12, 2014: One commenter has informed me that TAP is now requiring you to schedule with your Career Planner and your Company. He also says that it is possible to go back and attend TAP up to four times to attend different “pathways”. If another reader would confirm this, I’d be very grateful.]

First of all, let me make it clear, on Camp Pendleton, you DO NOT SIGN UP for TAP.  You show up at 0700 and hope you get a seat (Not as hopeless as it sounds, I got a seat on my first try, and if they turn you away they sign your DD 2648 guaranteeing you a spot at the next week’s class).  On Camp Pendleton, the location of the TAP classes moves.  It is usually at the Base Theater, however, to increase your chances of being at the right spot you can call: 760 725-6324 (Camp Pendleton ONLY!)

As I said before, show up (in cammies for the first day), with all of the above-mentioned paperwork at the appointed location at 0700.  It’s good to be a little early, just so you don’t get turned away for being late; however, admission is granted based on how close you are to your EAS (unless you were previously guaranteed a spot) so showing up several hours early doesn’t increase your chances of getting in.

Camp Pendleton’s TAP personnel allow the use of cell phones because of their camera function (You can take a photograph of the slides rather than having to copy the information), however using cell phones for games, Facebook, etc. is not tolerated, and it is still recommended that you brink a pen and paper for any information the instructors pass that is not on the slides.

 

Step Four: Filing a VA Disability Claim:

While you are attending TAP Class, you should at some point have your medical record screened by a representative from Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW), or Disabled American Veterans (DAV).  He will tell you that you need to make a copy of your medical record (Which you should already have since you’re reading this), fill out a couple of forms, and then go next door to one of the VA offices and tell them you need to file a claim.

 

Step Five: EAS Interview/Separations Worksheet:

The EAS interview is best done as soon as you reach your 6 month mark to make the Separations Worksheet go as smoothly as possible.  You will need to set up your EAS interview by going to your Career Planner, and getting the paperwork.  This paperwork should be pretty much entirely filled out for you, so no worries there.  Once you have the papers you need to go to the Company office, and arrange for the interview with the Company Commander (Not to insult your intelligence, but arrange the meeting with the clerks! Don’t go knocking on the Captain’s door, it’ll just get you yelled at).  The interview is pretty straightforward, the CO will ask what your plans are, where you’re going, what you plan to do for work, etc. etc.  He’ll jot down his notes on the interview sheet, then you’ll both sign it and you’ll be on your way.

Note: Before you let that paperwork out of your site, look a few lines above your signature for your “RE Code” (it may be on the bottom of the previous page if your career planner isn’t very good with computers).  If your RE Code is “1A”, no worries you don’t have to do anything special.  If it is anything OTHER than “1A” you will need to include your Page 11 entries when you fill out your Separations Worksheet.

 

The Separations Worksheet is the paper you need to apply for Terminal Leave, so needless to say, it’s an important document that no one will ever tell you about if you don’t ask for it specifically.  You should be able to retrieve this magnificent document from your unit’s S1 shop. The worksheet needs to be TURNED IN TO IPAC (For Camp Pendleton it’s Bldg 22162) WITH ALL applicable add-ons, at least 90 days PRIOR to the day you want to take Terminal, or if you’re not taking Terminal leave, it needs to be in at least 90 days prior to your EAS.  (In general if the worksheet asks for something that makes you say “How the hell would I know that?”, leave it blank, it’s probably for someone else to fill out. )  If you intend to take more than 30 days of Terminal Leave you will need the Battalion/Squadron Commander, and SgtMaj to sign off on it, otherwise the Company Commander and 1st Sgt, will suffice.

ADD-ONS TO THE SEPARATIONS WORKSHEET:

You will need to attach a copy of your EAS Interview; and if you’re reenlistment code is anything OTHER THAN “1A” you will need to attach a copy of  your Page 11.

Two less common add-ons to the Separations Worksheet are:  A letter from S1 if you are taking PDMRA/PTAD, and A RELMs message if you will be receiving Separations Pay.  Like I said, these two are less common and most likely won’t apply to you, so you don’t need to bother with them.

Note: NOT taking Terminal Leave is a foolish thing to do.  If you choose to sell back 30 days of leave, then you receive 30 days worth of BASIC PAY ONLY!  That pay then has taxes removed etc, leaving you with only a portion of 30 days of Basic Pay.  If you take 30 days of Terminal leave, then you receive BAH for those 30 days, which is NOT taxable.  So basically you’re receiving roughly the same amount of extra money one way or the other, but when you take Terminal leave, you don’t have to work for the extra money.

Note: Although you are supposed to have the Separations Worksheet turned in 90 days prior, IPAC understands that some commands are ran by imbeciles, so if you turn it in late, they will most likely understand.  I know a Marine who turned his in at 48 days prior to the start of his Terminal Leave, and IPAC accepted it, so take the sheet down to them regardless, and the odds are pretty good that you’ll be accepted as well.

 

Step Six: Checkout Sheet:

You should be able to retrieve your unit checkout sheet from either your Battalion S1, or your Company clerk, depending on your unit, I would recommend starting with the Clerk, just because staying out of Battalion is usually a very sound means of SKATE-ing.

CHECKING OUT OF THE BASE

Once you are in possession of this glorious document that will finally be paving your way to freedom, a good starting point would be the areas that are most likely not in your general area of Camp Pendleton (i.e. the library, Joint Education Center, navy and marine corps relief society, etc.)  Checking out of all of these places should realistically take you two to three hours.

CHECKING OUT OF CIF/IIF

From there, the next logical choice would be CIF/IIF (They recently changed their name).  We’ve all heard the horror stories about IIF, but I’ve personally never had any real issues with them.  Here’s a few pointers:

I know every unit has a ban on washing your IIF gear in the washing machines: Ignore that.  If anyone really believes that putting your magazine pouches in the wash will damage either the machine or the pouch more than washing a pair of blue jeans, they’re on drugs and you should probably turn them in to the SACO.  Now, if you’re going to wash your gear in the washing machines, there are a few helpful tips to make sure you don’t get caught by some motivator who happens to be walking around at that exact moment:

  1. Button all of the Buttons!  The buttons on the end of loose straps on the magazine pouches will clink and clank in a dryer so loud that people on the next deck will be complaining.  So button them all down, and they won’t make nearly as much noise.
  2. Remove all of the Buckles!  Same thing with the plastic buckles, they’re nice and quiet in the washing machine while there’s water swishing all around them, but once they go in the drier it’s gonna sound like someone’s lobbing mortars inside that drier, so remove all of the plastic buckles and you’ll have a nice quiet load of laundry that won’t draw unwanted attention.
  3. Remove the Ballistics from your Flak Jacket.  Really, what good is it going to do to clean the ballistic panels anyway?  Just wipe them down with a wet paper towel if you feel the need.  Plus, they’re heavy, heavy things make noise in driers, noise in driers attract motarded NCOs who would love the opportunity to yell at you for washing your gear in the washers.  Don’t attract motarded NCOs, take out the ballistic panels.
  4. Don’t use your laundry bag, use your sleeping bag!  The tag on the sleeping bag specifically says to machine wash it.  So when transporting your gear from your room to the laundry room and back, throw it all in to your sleeping bag.
  5. Keep track of time.  If you’re in a unit with either some nasty gear thieves or a terrible lack of washing machines (which I’m sure you all are), I’m sure the last thing you want is someone to see a washer that’s not running, open it up, and discover all of your IIF gear loaded into a washer.  So set an alarm, try to be back in the laundry room a good 5 minutes before your laundry is done, that’ll give you some time to get it all back into the sleeping bag and out of the room before anyone shows up to “tactically acquire” your gear.
Now, there’s also gear that, for obvious reasons, just can’t be washed. (i.e. Kevlar, Waterproof sacks, and that tarp.)  These are some pretty simple fixes.
  1. The Kevlar: Remove the pads (if you have a lightweight, if not, just remove whatever you can) run some water over it (your sink should be just fine) use a scuz brush if you have any problems.  Job done.
  2. The Tarp: The best way to clean this thing is to take a shower with it, and scrub it down in the shower.  Once that’s done, it’s generally a good idea to find a place where you can hang it up to dry.  If you discover any spots you missed, then get a sponge or some wet paper towels and take care of little spots.
  3. The Waterproof Sacks:  For starters, turn them inside out and take a shower with them.  If you used them to store dirty laundry in the field (and I’m sure a lot of you did) and they still smell (which I’m sure they do) scrub them down with 409 (or your cleaning agent of choice) and a scuz brush.  When you’re done, leave them inside out to dry.  If they still smell, flip them right side in, and put a couple of drier sheets in them.  Don’t worry too much if they still smell a little, when I turned mine in they didn’t stop to smell the insides, so as long as it’s not an overpowering odor you should be just fine.

Finally, once you have an item that is clean, put it into a clean waterproof sack so that it doesn’t get dirty again!  If you follow these steps, checking out of IIF should not be that big of a deal for you.  It should be a fairly simple “in and out” process.

NOTE: You will be getting TWO stamps from IIF. One is for your Gas Mask, the other is for all of the rest of your gear. Some units do one stamp and then place two signatures by it, instead of stamping it twice. Whichever system your IIF uses, MAKE SURE that your sheet has been marked to state that you turned in your Gas Mask, and the rest of your IIF issued gear.

CHECKING OUT OF YOUR UNIT

At this point everything left on your checkout sheet should be in the general area you work in.  Supply should be just signing out of a log book.  Armory, clean your rifle really well (or slip your buddy in the armory a $20 and have him clean it really well), tell the career planner that you hate the marine corps so he won’t try to get you to reenlist, go say hi to the Chaplain, go say hi to the FRO, etc etc.  The only thing that will slow this process down is if you have a unit where certain people (especially the FRO) just don’t feel like coming to work most days.  This will most likely become annoying, but once you find this person, it’ll probably be about 2 minutes and it’s done so try not to get too worked up.

Realistically speaking, getting your checkout sheet fully signed on Camp Pendleton can be accomplished in as little as 2 to 3 weeks.  For those of you who have PCS-ed from Okinawa before (myself included) this will come as a huge surprise, and you’ll most likely be wanting to check out several months in advance, but you need to remember that you are back in the U.S. this time around, and you’re no longer at the mercy of the Green Line’s ridiculous bus schedules.  In all reality, 2 to 3 weeks is sufficient.

 

Step Seven: DD 214:

On the day of your EAS/Terminal Leave, you’re going to need to go back to IPAC Outbound (Bldg. 22162) at or before 0730.  (Showing up early is a good idea to help you avoid the rush.)

You will need:

  • Memorandum for the Record (The Medical and Dental Officers should have signed it after your final physical/dental)
  • TAP class paperwork
  • Unit Checkout Sheet (With 2 CIF/IIF Stamps & Pro Con Marks for Cpl. and below)
  • Meal Card (If applicable)

[Update, Jan 15 2014: Prior to Jan 01 2014 you also had to bring your Medical/Dental records to IPAC in order to get your DD-214. I’ve been informed that this is no longer the case.]

Once you have all of these things in your possession, and you’ve sat through the endless lines of IPAC, you’ll receive a large packet of papers from one of the IPAC clerks.  They’ll walk you through it, but for the most part it’s just making sure you’re name Social Security Number, and other personal data is correct, and then signing and dating the appropriate blocks.  Once this has all been done (15 minutes, maximum) They’ll collect all of the paperwork I listed above, give you your copies of the DD-214 and you’ll be free to go.
NOTE: If you submitted a VA Disability claim (which I truly hope you did)  You’ll need to get a Certified True Copy of your DD-214.  This is a fairly simple process, you just need to wait in IPAC a little longer while they get the proper authorities to sign and date the Forms, and then make a copy or two for you.  Once you have your copies, you’ll need to drop off one of the copies with the VA (Bldg 13150) prior to leaving Camp Pendleton for good.

 

Step Eight: Enjoy Your Life!

You are now done with the marine corps for good!  Get off base and enjoy your life!

 

If you just need to find all of this info for yourself and have the sheer will power to sift through the 534 page Marine Corps Order on the subject to find the information that is relevant to you,  check out MCO P1900.16F W/ Ch1 & 2.

 

Safety and Peace

  • OilyMarine

    THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME! I SALUTE YOU GOOD SIR!!!

    • Anonymous

      Thank you, kindly!

  • OilyMarine

    THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME! I SALUTE YOU GOOD SIR!!!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Thank you, kindly!

    • fuck you all

      this is fucking pathetic, u all make me sick, the Marines are a committed branch, great people, and dedicated to protect our country and those in it, and that means you. I am a Marine who has seen war, and the horrors of war, but I stayed to protect people like you, and I see what you losers actually think.

      • S.

        Um we were marines too dude. Some of us still are!

        Just some food for thought.

      • 1Marine

        “I am a Marine who has seen war, and the horrors of war”
        Me too. What’s your point?

        • S.

          The only apparent point I see is that he is pissed off.

      • R.E.M.F.

        Yeah, the marines are a “committed” branch… They all should be committed to a Mental Institution!

  • anon

    Anyone know if the pentagon will starting buying out contracts, Is there any info?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      There’s actually being some discussion of that recently, and if congress doesn’t change a bill that basically takes 10% off of each departments budget, the marine corps may have to cancel contracts for up to 18,000 troops.  So we’ll have to see how that goes.

  • anon

    Anyone know if the pentagon will starting buying out contracts, Is there any info?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      There’s actually being some discussion of that recently, and if congress doesn’t change a bill that basically takes 10% off of each departments budget, the marine corps may have to cancel contracts for up to 18,000 troops.  So we’ll have to see how that goes.

  • Weasley

    Printing this out and making copies!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Glad to be of service! If your experience is different, or if you come up with any handy tips, be sure to let me know!

      Safety and Peace

  • alex g

    So should i go to the bas and document every little pain problem and in the future it will help me out 100% and also i just had surgery on my collar bone and a plate put in from snowboarding can i claim that too?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Well, just to be fair, not every ache and pain will be able to help you, simply because some things don’t qualify for disability. I would still document everything on the off-chance that something does qualify that you weren’t aware of.

      Some good examples of aches and pains that do qualify are: Ringing in your ears, Joint problems (knees, shoulders, elbows anything like that), Back pain, Any loss of range of motion of your arms or legs, and any pain that makes it difficult for you to fall asleep at night. (I might recommend exaggerating the “difficult to sleep” part)

      Also if you ever chipped a tooth, or anything like that, if you get rated with at least 10% “Dental Trauma” the VA will provide dental care for the rest of your life.

      As for your collar bone, I’d say go ahead and claim it, but I wouldn’t recommend telling them you broke it while snowboarding.

      If you have any other questions feel free to ask.

      Safety and Peace

      • Alex g

        thanks a lot! this helps so much man oh and technically i broke it while i was in a pt session. LOL thanks again, and in all realness my back pain is so uncomfortable that I really go days without sleep. I have an appointment with a chiropractor here soon!

        • alex g

          any thoughts?

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Well, if it says it in the medical record, then yeah, they’ll know. I’m just don’t volunteer any information that would make them question whether or not they should give you benefits.

          Frankly, if the back pain is that bad, then there’s no point in exaggerating it. Just make sure that you make the VA guys very aware of how much pain your back gives you. Be very explicit. And if you feel the pain in your shoulders as well, or notice any loss of motion there, make sure to tell them that as well. You can get disability for your back, and for each shoulder, so if you’re feeling it, that’s an easy way to turn 10% – 20% into 30% – 40% and that’s a sizable jump in compensation.

          I’m not making any promises, I don’t know what rating the VA is gonna give you, but this is the best advice I have at my disposal.

          Safety and Peace

      • alex g

        oh and another question wouldnt the va know how i injured my collarbone if its on paper in my medical records??

  • nts

    Does ipac run an additional background check on your social or anything like that or do you just verify old information?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Nope they didn’t run a background check or anything like that. You just have to review your info and make sure they didn’t make any mistakes on your paperwork.

  • ConcernedRine

    Just to be clear, the after getting the separations worksheet and getting it filled out and whatnot, Is that and the addons the only thing I bring to IPAC at that time to get terminal leave started? Or should I have already drafted the terminal leave letter thing and submitted the request online before I even get the worksheet? (already got the EAS interview, TAPS, and final physical done, now am just faced with terminal leave and don’t know where to get started)

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Assuming that nothing has changed since last year, you DO NOT need to submit Terminal Leave through MOL. I remember my Captain wanted me to submit a leave request to him for Terminal, but since I already had the Colonel’s signature on my Separation Worksheet I just ignored him, and I went on my 40 days of Terminal with no problem.

      If I were you, I’d take the Separation Worksheet with any Add-ons down to IPAC, they should sit down with you at a computer, and set your Terminal Leave dates with you right then and there. If that’s what they do, then no worries, you’re golden. If not, ask them if you need to submit it through MOL, or if there’s ANYTHING else that you need to do.

      Free piece of advice: Never leave the desk at IPAC without asking “Is there anything else that I should know?” It’s a great way to make sure that you don’t get blindsided by last minute paperwork.

      If you have any other questions please feel free to ask!

      Safety and Peace

      • ConcernedRine

        So essentially what you’re saying is if IPAC clears my terminal leave, then I don’t have to go through my chain? I suppose alot of my confusion is what the separations worksheet entails exactly. I’ll be going to my Co. office soon to see if I can pick one up, but I have a feeling they’re gonna run me through hoops and in circles when it’s supposed to be simpler.
        Thanks for the answer though bro 😀

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Yeah, the separation worksheet really wasn’t too bad, except for getting the higher-up’s signatures.

          But no, you shouldn’t have to go through your chain of command to approve the leave, since that’s what the worksheet is for.

  • Deavon

    No matter what I need two stamps from iif? Cause they have only given me one stamp and two signatures

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      That’s probably the equivalent.

      When I went through they gave one stamp for the gas mask and one stamp for the rest of the gear. I would assume that the two signatures will work just the same. If you want to be on the safe side you could always go back to IIF and double-check with them, but I think you’ll be fine.

      Safety and Peace

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I’ve added a note to the “Checking out of CIF/IIF” section to reflect your question. Thanks for the feedback on how your unit runs things.

  • READYtoGO

    Im waiting on my 5 day letter for my admin sep. I have been told its at divisional level and all we are waiting for is that final signature. Any ideas how long till I get it back?

    • S.

      It’s hard to say man. When I was in I knew a guy who waited for that signature for over a year, I think because they just wanted to mess with him. They kept ‘losing’ the paper work.

      On the other hand, there were others who were getting separated for similar reasons and they were processed out in a matter of months.

      I guess it all depends on how well organized your command is, and/or how ‘nice’ they are.

      Edit: I remember something else! The guys who got out faster, wrote their congressmen and explained how they are messing with adseps, and conveniently ‘losing’ paper work and stalling. Their congressmen took action and put pressure on the command to get those guys out.

      I remember that the best part of their argument was that they were of no use to the military, and were wasting tax dollars because of someone’s personal agenda in the command.

  • AbohorredByYouAll

    Passing-out after 18 hours without food? Wow, definitely need to be separated from the Marine Corps…and the Boy Scouts, and the tennis team, and adulthood in general.

    • S.

      Apparently, you are upset. Care to talk about it?

  • Jay Sung

    you no longer need to fas for a blood draw. They are checking for HIV only.

  • Wow

    Your an idiot.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Wow, you really made an intelligent, thought-provoking response. Would you care to try again, or is that really all you have?

      By the by, the word you were looking for is “You’re”.

      Safety and Peace

      • S.

        Alternatively you can choose not to use “You’re” and just use “You are”.

        With that said, I think we all know who the idiot is lol.

    • S.

      You’re adorable.

  • 5811bull

    Show up in uod or civies cause I’m taking terminal)?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Uniform of the Day. Remember, IPAC is full of admin guys (and admin SNCO’s) Just show up in the uniform of the day, get your DD 214 and then change to civvies right after that.

      On a related note, I’ve always heard it said that IPAC will turn you away if you don’t have a fresh shave and haircut. It’s stupid. I know.

  • Anonymous

    So let’s say that I’m fresh out of boot camp, attended SOI and MOS, how do I manage to get out without a dishonorable discharge?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      As long as you’ve been in the marine corps for less than 180 days, you technically qualify for an Entry Level Separation. That being said, following this article and refusing to train would be your best option: http://ihatetheusmc.com/how-to-get-out-of-boot-camp/

      One important note though, since you’re no longer in boot camp, there’s no guarantee that your command will actually give you an ELS. However, the worst they could give you would be an OTH discharge. Contrary to what your DI’s probably told you, an OTH is not the end of the world. Sure you wouldn’t get most of your benefits, but you haven’t been in long enough to have any benefits coming anyway. Lastly, an OTH won’t effect your ability to find a job, except that it might be a bit harder to get hired for some government jobs.

      If you have any other questions please don’t hesitate to ask.

      Safety and Peace

      • Mickey

        Is there a way to get out of the Marine Corps anytime without going AWOL? I heard from Adam Kokesh (the Marine who loaded a shotgun in DC/did the Troops for Ron Paul campaign), said that you could apply for Conscientious Objector but I heard that you could get still get sent somewhere as a result.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          That’s kind of a hard question. In a lot of cases, if your unit knows that you want to get out they’ll make it as hard as possible for you to get out. I once new a guy who would go down to the Exchange and get caught stealing a pack of cigarettes (or something small like that) almost every weekend. It wasn’t that he didn’t have any money, he WANTED to get caught so he could get kicked out, and the unit knew this, so they kept digging in their heels and saying “If you do this one more time you’re getting kicked out!” (as if that was a threat to him.

          That being said, the fact that you used the term “AWOL” suggests to me that you’re not a marine, so may I ask why you want to know? Are you thinking of joining, or anything like that? Or are you just curious? Either way is fine I’m just curious.

          Safety and Peace

  • Sean

    So I got an administrative separation sent in December and it was expedited with two 6105’s to speed up the process. I’m just wondering what I’m looking at time wise and if any of this checking out and classes apply to me. I’ve been in for a year and six months.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      The vast majority of this (if not all of it) should still apply. You will still need to get a final physical, you’ll still need to attend TAP, you’ll still need to check out of IIF and your unit.

      Unfortunately, I can’t really say how long it will be until your admin sep goes through the system. It would probably be best if you keep harassing your Sgt (or whoever) to figure out when your separation date will be to figure our when you’ll have to attend TAPs and get all of your stuff done.

  • DRShinsel

    Another update for you. I only speak of Camp Pen, I just went on terminal the 2nd. Anyone with an EAS after 01 Jan 2014 will turn in both med and dental records to their BAS. You don’t take them to IPAC any more.

    • freeatlastfreeatlast

      Be sure to make yourself copies of both before you leave. Also, set up your med screening with the VA reps on Pendleton before you leave as well. They’re on the second or third floor of the family services building behind the chow hall on main side.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Thanks for the update! I’ll edit the article right now.

  • Help

    In currently trying to get out SOI any tips please I’m suicidal:(

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      1) Get to Medical first thing in the morning. Don’t tell your Instructors that you’re suicidal or they’ll just give you hell over it. (In case you haven’t noticed the marine corps doesn’t really believe that mental health is a thing yet.) If you have to tell them something, tell them you fell on a hike or something and messed up your knee, then tell the docs the real deal.

      2) When you’re with the doc EXAGGERATE. The doc is probably going to try to get you to say “Oh it’s not that bad” so if you make your situation sound as bad as you can, and the doc tries to make that sound a bit better, you’ll probably meet in the middle and get it right.

      3) Request to talk to a psychologist/counsellor, and don’t take “no” for an answer.

      4) The other thing you could do is refuse to train. Basically, follow this article http://ihatetheusmc.com/how-to-get-out-of-boot-camp/

      The only difference is (since you’re in SOI) you might not get an Entry Level Separation, but the worst you could get is an OTH which will have negligible effect on your civilian life.

      Safety and Peace

  • Admin Nerd

    If you go to TAPs in anything other than business attire they can and will send you away. Unless, you are getting out on some type of admin sep and are not allowed to wear civilian attire. Also you do have to schedule a date with your career planner as well as your command since it is a week long now. This of course is for Camp Pen. The good news is because they have different pathways to choose,from,you can go back 4 times to do every pathway. You still only need one sheet signed saying you actually did the class.

    • hooyut

      If you go to the one near Basilone gate if you wear nice jeans and a button down you are fine. One guy was wearing jeans, sneakers, and a tshirt and they didn’t even kick him out.

  • GruntAndIHateIt

    So I made it through boot camp and SOI and now I’m a grunt in my unit and have legit back pain have been here 2 weeks and want a new MOS (like a pog job) or I want out I am goin to medical Monday

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Since you made it through SOI you’re probably not in entry level status anymore. So unless the docs find something seriously wrong with your back and get you on Limited Duty, it’s going to be very hard for you to get out.

      • GruntAndIHateIt

        If they find out I have an extra veribre in my spine? I know but the corps doesn’t and it’s not on any medical record

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          If you knew that before your enlistment and it would’ve medically disqualified you, that might constitute a fraudulent enlistment. You could theoretically be fined/imprisoned for that, but it might get you out of the marine corps.

          On the other hand, depending on who you tell, they might just say “So? Everyone lies to their recruiter. Who cares?”

          It’s really a crap shoot as to whether it will get you out.

          • Pissed off Party

            They have to prove that it’s fraudulent. What I have seen in this case is someone who has hid his asthma, joined up then had an attack. This dude has seen a doctor so when he had an attack during boot, they did an investigation and found out he had asthma through diagnosis and treatment and failed to disclose it. He got charged.
            Did OP really see a doctor? If so it’s likely on medical record. If not, and he just did a self diagnosis, then the MC doesn’t have much of a case

  • Sodone

    If you pop on a drug test will it always be an oth?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      There would have to be some pretty incredible circumstances for it to be anything other than an OTH.

      • Sodone

        No matter if a deployment is near , you will be ad sept with an oth? And not deploy and if so how long would it take until your processed out?

        Thank you

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          That’s where it starts getting tricky. You will get an OTH, but there’s no guarantee about when. You’re supposed to be processed out right away, but I’ve known people who were being separated when I left for afghanistan and were still being separated when I came back.

          As I’m sure you know, the marine corps has a vengeful streak when it comes to people who have a chance to get out before their four years are up. So they might well decide to let you sit for a while and put you on every pointless job they can come up with before they separate you.

  • brkrls

    Popping on a drug test is mandatory processing, not mandatory separation. The mandatory processing means an administrative separation board to hear your case and decide what should happen. The government side will then have to convince the board based on the preponderance of the evidence that you should be separated. If you claim ignorance, the government will have to prove that you knowingly ingested the substance you popped for. But if you’re claiming ignorance, that’s very hard to convince the board members.

  • gtfo_usmc

    How far out are you allowed to check out?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I was told one month (But then, I EAS-ed from a non-deployable unit, so we didn’t have an IIF issue). If you want to check out sooner than that, just go into S1 by yourself, 2-3 months early, and just ask for the checkout sheet. If they ask how long you have in, just lie and tell them one month (that’s what I did).

  • Pissed off

    I’m a prior service USMC in the ARNG. I got out of the Marines with no IRR time left. I enlisted in the ARNG, kept my rank and drilled with the ARNG for 3-4 months. I haven’t been paid and several researches later, I realized I’m still in the USMC reserves payroll (Checked DFAS and I wasn’t even a ARNG Soldier) despite checking out of my unit in Dec-Jan. My question is that can you be checked out from you unit but not HQMC? I think I got fucked over by the ARNG payroll and recruiter despite enlisting and the Admin Marines if my suspicions are true.

  • Gettingout

    I’m getting out Sept 15th. Does the Marine Corps hold your final pay? If so how long? Will they hold the 15th check or the 1st? Thanks

    • Dwayne Fuller

      They say anywhere from 10 to 30 days, after your eas but I am already on day 25 and ipac still has my package and whenever they do send it to disbursing that’s at least another 48 to 72 hours. Good luck

  • kristin

    My husband gets out in a year… but I don’t know if I can take another year dealing with all the bullshit.. it is tearing our marriage apart… he hates the marine corps as well. It turned out to b nothing like he expected.. is their any way for him to get out early. He already has a job lined up with his step dad and he will b making 3x more than what he makes now as a cpl. So my question is… do u guys know of a way for him to get out a year early?

    • Knob_Gaudy

      Can’t help you as far as what to do to get him out early, but will say that your support to your spouse goes a long way. If you know its coming to an end soon anyway, be patient, you love him right?
      I had to deal with a long term girlfriend who was a thousand miles away, and even though we both wanted me to come home, she acted more depressed than me, almost cheated, almost broke up with me because I couldn’t get home fast enough. bullshit.

    • VssVintorez

      Search for anything related to the VEERP.

      • Getmeout1128

        Hi, does VEERP happen every year? Is there any way that I can prepare to apply?

  • Mike

    So I checked into my unit about a month and a half ago and I hate this place and all the NCOS hate me because I’m honest with them and tell them I don’t like them to their face so I’ve been trying to get out anyway possible so I had to do initial medical which they discovered I have a 25 point drop off in my right ear so I’m basically losing hearing slowly in my right ear I’m thinking about doing what I can so I can get out any advice

  • Angela

    I’m really hoping someone can answer this question 🙂
    It’s my understanding my stepson was medically discharged from the USMC last year. We were told it was for PTSD. Now, almost a year later and while visiting his home in Texas, he calls my husband last night, saying he HAS to be in Pendleton in 48 hours for a “hearing” about his benefits.

    My husband never questions his son (who bragged forever that he would get disability benefits when he wanted to get out of the Marines…and did), and I think this is weird…I mean, really? Does this really happen?

    • Don’t support dumb laws

      Something is fishy. While there is a VA office in Pendleton (I think). For disability, you do have to get examined in order to receive a rating. However, he can simply go to a VA office in Texas and start the process there. Who called your son?

      • Angela

        Right…I think it’s a weird story, and I’m trying to find out (or, figure out) if he’s lying about something. I do understand that he’s been receiving payments for almost a year now, and the disability is for PTSD. Why would someone from Camp Pendleton call him in – give him 48 hours to get there – and tell him it’s for a hearing about his disability?

        • Don’t support dumb laws

          I don’t know why. There are cases where a veteran is requested to come in for an re-evaluation (especially if there is some medical evidence that your son’s condition may have improved hence the need to reduce his disability percentage OR it might increase it). Even then, I don’t get why he would have to go to Pendleton when there are VA offices and VA medical in Texas.

          Here is some information in regards to re-examinations in layman’s terms. http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/va-reexaminations-reductions-veterans-disability-benefits.html

          I would highly suggest your son sees a veteran service representative (if he hasn’t already) and discuss this issue with him or her. They will be able to pinpoint the issue or explain the process to him in greater detail than me.

          Also, the VA would send a letter to your son if there are changes in benefits and/or requests for a re-evaluation.

        • Gil Smith

          MOST OF THE SORRY BASTARDS THAT POST HERE NEVER GOT NEAR BOOT CAMP. MOST ARE GAY SISSY BOYS WHO ARE REAL BIG INTERNET “HEROS”!!

          • madmike1968

            Wrong answer tubby. Pretty much everyone here did the full enlistment honorably. For instance I did it in the grunts while you did it in the chow hall.

          • S.

            Oh? So I, the creator of this website, never got passed bootcamp? Never trained my ass off? Never went to Iraq working insane hours in the most dangerous position in my unit (gunner)? Never got out honorably? Okay then…

            What did YOU do that was SO heroic? Bet you will never answer.

  • Albert

    I got out of the Marine Corps (Honorable discharge) about two months ago, but I have this nagging feeling that I have to do something that I cant remember what it is. I think it was something with my ID or to check in somewhere once I reach my home state. Cannot remember. Maybe check in at pass and id to get a veteran ID? I literally have not done anything military related once I got home, but I think I forgot something…. maybe im just paranoid…. any ideas?

    • S.

      You forgot to dispose of your facial grooming devices.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Technically, you’re supposed to turn in your ID and get a reservist ID for your time in the IRR, but it doesn’t really matter. I know plenty of people who just kept their ID and nothing ever came of it. Personally I burned my ID and was glad to be rid of it. Don’t let it bother you, if you feel like getting a reservist ID, go ahead, if you don’t, whatever.

  • Gil Smith

    WHAT YOU LOSERS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO IS….BUY A GUN….A BOTTLE OF BOOZE……DRINK IT ALL…….THEN BLOW YOUR WORTHLESS BRAINS OUT! YOU’RE ALL DEGENERATE, WORTHLESS NO GOOD MAGGOT LOSERS AND NOBODY WILL MISS YOU!!

    • madmike1968

      How much do you weigh fat boy?

    • S.

      This is exactly the type of behavior from marines that caused this site to exist. Take a good hard look everyone! This is a spot of example of how a lot of marines behave. This is the type of people you will deal with if you join. If you are smart, stay away. If you are an idiot, then the mc is the place for you.

      • aaron

        I do regret joining. i haven’t even been in for two years yet and I’m already tired of all the bullshit and supposed brotherhood i was preached at by my recruiter and i really don’t understand why people love the marine corps so much i just wanna get out so i don’t have to deal with idiots and have people act like they’re so superior to me. So i appreciate you speakin out like this.

        • BrassNecked14

          Being in the Marine Corps is like being in a dysfunctional sports team.

          You may be willing to die for some if not many of the guys you meet that would do the same for you, but you hate the coach, the star player, and everything that they stand for. Translate this MC style……

          Yeah, you’ll definitely get good friends (I did), but the BS like standing parade rest, dealing with people who outright abuse a title, and make you do classes/courses all centered towards a branch that’s like some God, it’s going to drive you nuts.

          I would know too because I’ve been just a year and I already want out of this crap.

      • usmcjc

        That staff sgts a boot and the rest whining are bitches rah brother make chesty proud defend the real marines Sgt n down the mean marines cpl and down and the worst senior lcpls~ warlord

  • Kevin Morrison

    Seriously? I did not care at all for the Marines but I was proud of what I accomplished regardless. I was man enough to complete my commitments. Sad to see that you was not man enough to do the same.

    • Knob_Gaudy

      Because making a serious mistake and being in an organization where you are a horrible fit for them, and vice versa, shouldn’t matter? The brit royal marines give their recruits 28 days to decide they don’t want it. The USMC should do similar.

      • Kevin Morrison

        That is the difference between what the brits
        do and what we do. What the brits do is something that we do here for our
        children if we want spoiled brats. Once you become a man you should know before you take the oath if you
        are going to be a good fit. If you are a pussy and or a mommas boy that wants
        everything handed to them on a silver platter then you should not even consider
        the USMC as an option. I think their reputation is well enough known that it does not take much to know you are not going to summer camp to enjoy making cookies and swimming in the warm water? The Marine Corp is looking for men, not little boys (this is made abundantly clear from the gitgo) and
        to give them the option to decide if this is something they really want after
        the fact is why the brits have nothing but pussies in their ranks. We are
        talking about war here, not kindergarten variety punks that have no balls or
        intestinal fortitude to follow through with their commitments.

        • Knob_Gaudy

          What is your expertise exactly that qualifies you to label an entire allied army, pussies? Their marines’ training lasts 8 months and they are about 8000 men total.
          The corps is 200,000 people, most of whom are noncombat roles, of mostly under average intelligence and potential( Judging from your comments, you probably rank in the described category)

          What war have we won since 1991, by the way, and how long before that since we won a war worth a piss? 1945. Maybe the entire military lacks the intestinal fortitude to live up to its purpose.

          • Kevin Morrison

            Expertise has nothing to do with it. Anyone that thinks that a military branch should give someone a month to decide if this is what they really want is a military that does not have it all together. If you sign up for a military branch you should be man enough to stick it out. Not act like a fucking 5 year old!

            Personally I have not seen a war that we have won since good men and women have died in all of them, to me that is not a win! The fact that we are still free and not slave to some dictator is good enough for me.

            You have no right to to label me in any category, nor do you have the right to ask. For your information I have a MBA in two disciplines and got out of the Corp as a E-6. Our military is only as good as those that serve in it and honestly they don’t need little fucks like you, or faggots! So go drink your sippy cup and beg your mommy for a better allowance, because quite honestly punks like you will never make it in this world!

          • Knob_Gaudy

            An organization that passes 90 percent of people through its supposedly difficult bootcamp is carrying A LOT of dead weight. You can’t honestly tell me the Corps isnt full of fuck ups and fat bodies that should have came home on the same bus they arrived at San Diego or PI on.

            oh, and thats rich,a homophobic motarded NCO who calls me a child for not wanting to be stuck in an organization that recruits kids out of high school with the bullshit line “To be real men’, and babies the hell out of them the whole time? That depresses its members across 5 years to the point of becoming bitter alcoholics, many of whom fake injuries to get on disability and get benefits out of the system?

            You sucked on the taxpayers tit for at least 8 years, while plenty of people got by just fine in the real world. And not only am I doing great in life, but better than you ever will, because I wasn’t being uncle sams bitch for the better part of my youth.

          • Kevin Morrison

            Typically those with the balls to join the military do so with the intent to fight for what our country believes in so sorry little fucks like you bitches can set there safe in your little house and spout off out of your ass about things you clearly have no clue about! Thing is Knob if you was doin so good you would not be wasting your time talking out of your ass here for as long as you have. In the real world that is called pathetic! Nuff said…

          • Knob_Gaudy

            No, you fought for the government, to protect and serve it. If the constitution was thrown in a bonfire tomorrow and we adopted a new form of government that gave a rats ass about freedom, the military would still be there, doing the same thing it has always done. I have a wonderful refutation of your childish beliefs on the anon discussion on the front page, its from 3 days ago, good read.

            And you can’t seriously be initiating by commenting on this site, argue with me, then pull a “you’re wasting time arguing on here” out of your ass. I’m a regular poster here. If I’m pathetic, what does that make you for trading back and forth? Or don’t you have something better to do?

          • S.

            You act like we are scrawny little pimply teenagers. I am sure a lot of people here, actual marines (not sure about you), could handle themselves. Not to mention just about everyone joins the military to serve their country. Including people you don’t like.

            Also, most of us did at least one tour genius.

            “Nuff said”

            Also, and I am not sure why this is so common lately, in the future, if you are going to talk shit to a whole community of people, it’s a good idea not to have your facebook profile public on your disqus page…

            https://www.facebook.com/kevin.morrison.9406417

          • S.

            E-6. That explains it. typically the least intelligent marines stay in long enough to reach that rank. That’s why most E-6 and above are so overwhelmingly incompetent.

            The smart ones get out and take on the civilian world, which is much more difficult.

            For the record, most of us served. So don’t presume anyone here is “weak” because they have a different opinion of you.

            Shining example of a marine here everyone.

        • Older Marine Vet

          I’m the one who posted the information about the Royal Marines, and I am a dual citizen of the United States and a Commonwealth country. I served in the USMC for over 10 years, and quite honestly its NARROWMINDED IDIOTS LIKE YOU that make me glad I’m out! Plus the sheer American arrogance you display only reaffirms how dumb YOU really are.

          I dare you to say “brits have nothing but pussies in their ranks” on a British Army or Royal Marine base – that level of stupidity will be rewarded by being dismembered!!
          A smaller, more elite military gives their people a mature choice, so why keep and harass those that don’t want to continue ?I think Britain has a better military in terms of quality partially for this reason.
          If the Marine Corps is looking for “men”, then why should a real “Man” join the USMC when all they are going to do is treat their people like CHILDREN- restrict their liberty, deny them access to education, force someone to hold their hand- after my experience, I tell young people to avoid the USMC and concentrate their energies on something far more worthwhile!!
          And for someone who claims to have an MBA, you sure are pretty stupid!!
          And you know what – as a Man I came to the realization that the war in Iraq was nothing but BULLSHIT, that the Marine Corps wasn’t worth the sacrifices , and I did not want to be party to a war started for corporate gain.
          A Man these days doesn’t have to bear the burden of fighting in a stupid and useless war- the Corps wants WOMEN and minorities to fight so it can look good on paper, which is 100% fine with me.

          The Marine Corps really is just full of ‘Yes Sir, No Sir Three bags full Sir” bitches anyway!

        • Louiethemf

          Corps^*

      • Anon

        Exactly. There’s should be option to back out if you decided that it’s really not for you. Hey more power to those who stI’ll want to join. It’s too late for me I’ve completed all my training and am home now a reservist and I still hate it. It’s just burden and I’m just not happy. It’s annoying asf actually. Everyone here basically feels the same way I do. But this process to get out of the Corps is way too much & I’d mess it up somehow so I guess I just have to endure my next 5 years. What else can you do.

  • Rasta

    MAKE SURE you go to IPAC Separations and get a leave request. It has to go back to Ipac with command signatures 30 DAYS BEFORE your first day of terminal leave. This is probably the most important paragraph here. You also need a final audit scheduled, that comes with the leave request

  • Fuckthis

    After two limited duties and being on a medical board they are keeping me in because I can do one pull-up

  • Andrew

    Why is it I find so much more truth and actual responses on here than on leatherneck. Seems like everyone there thinks I’m a damn pussy because I’m having recruiter problems and am considering leaving dep to speak to a different recruiter or branch.

    • Jeremias

      Because the people on Leatherneck are fucking MOTARDS!! they have the mentality of ” if you don’t think like me then you are a shitbird or puss” which is actually the way ALOT of NCO’s and higher ups think, they will tell you that you can tell them your problems and that they take care of the Marines under them in speech after speech but really their just going to call you a shitbag or to stop being a pussy. fuck them man join the Air Force you will thank me later.

  • Andrew

    Another question. Is it an issue if I switch from regular to reserves. I’m still in dep and scheduled for nov. 2nd. I just know I’m gonna catch stupid hell from the recruiters if I ask them first so I thought I’d seek some honesty here. I look at reserves as partial benefits, still all the good training, less bs?, and I don’t have to leave the good job, life I’ve established here unless I was called upon. How does job selection work in the reserves?

  • Itb123

    What if i’m in ITB right now?

    • private_givenofucks

      just refuse to train, ask to talk to your sergeant and tell them you refuse to train. I know its intimidating but now is the time, do it before everyone goes to the field. They are going to give you a little talk like” You signed a contract” or ” You know what you get to do tomorrow? you get to shoot rockets! ( although shitty practice rockets at that)” I know because I saw this when I was at itb. refuse to train and stick to your guns, they will try to treat you like shit, fuck them its now or never

    • Lcpldickwad

      Boot

  • implaxis
    • Chris

      Officially the most annoying video I’ve ever seen. #18 on the tattoos made me have to stop. On the bright side, this would be a great way to torture someone. Just play this video showing the dumb idiots who are likely whacking it to the idea that their picture was posted for 3-4 seconds, and there’s no way someone won’t break.

  • Cassidy

    My husband has been in the marine corps for almost 2 years. He recently was just informed by his parents that he has a rare blood disorder known as protein S difisency. It’s makes it so people get blood clots really easily! It can be very dangerous. I was wondering if he would be able to use this to get out of the marine corps early because of this??

    • baxterm

      I am not professionally qualified to answer your last question, but I have seen Marines been declared ‘unfit for active duty’ for medical reasons, then receive an early discharge. I could only conjecture about how this situation may constitute fraudulent enlistment- which is an avenue this situation could take.
      Far be it for me to be patronizing, but I hope you have both discussed this with each other, and does your husband want an early discharge from the Marine Corps? Are you financially prepared for that possibility to come within say 4-6 months? If you both mutually agree for him to come forward with this and he goes to medical, don’t expect results overnight. What ever process they initiate ( whether it be a medical release, or fraudulent enlistment- if it has the potential to fall into that category) it may take say 4- 6 months for all the bureaucracy.
      Don’t reveal this to anyone until you have a game plan for the potential outcome. I wouldn’t put it beyond a Marine Corps command to interpret this as something for them to punish, then make it hard for him to apply for more benefits.
      I hope you consider my general thoughts, but you need more qualified advice from someone outside your husbands command. Don’t ever believe that Marine Corps commands can be trusted to do the right thing ( for your husband and you).

      • cassidy

        Thank you for the feedback. I don’t really understand how it would be considered fraudulent enlistment? My husband and I are financially stable with or without the marine corps. What we are worried about is my husbands health. This is a very dangerous blood disease and he needs to be able to go to the doctor so this is why we are worried.

        • Billiam201

          An enlistment could be considered fraudulent if he was asked during his physical (or any other screening) if he had a history of blood or other disorders.

          A quick Google search reveals a few external factors which can cause this issue, which could have been asked about during the enlistment process.

          I am not a doctor (nor have I ever played one on TV), but how would his parents know before he did? If one of them has turned up with this deficiency, he should be screened immediately. If he has been diagnosed in some other way, that is your business.

          I point out the former, because it means it is less certain there is any issue at all. In any event, if you are in fact financially able to deal with a sudden separation, my advice would be to advise the medical officer immediately. Concealing this fact could lead to your husband developing blood clots in a forward area, with no one but a corpsman there to help him.

          Corpsman do a fine job, but are ill-equipped to deal with clotting disorders in Afghanistan.

          If you are stationed near a major military medical facility (Balboa, Keller, or similar) I would insist on treatment there. The branch clinic at Yuma isn’t exactly a top-notch medical facility.

          If the diagnosis is confirmed, I cannot imagine they would allow him to remain in the service. At least he would be ineligible for deployment or PCS, but that would depend on his MOS and his commands wishes.

          I wish you both well.

          Good Luck.

          • Cassidy

            Thank you! He is going to medical today to be tested. His mother carries the gene but she recently passed away which is how we found out she had the blood disorder. After learning this we contacted her sister and found out that his grandfather had the same thing which leads us to believe he would have it also. My husband is a crew chief and flys on the helicopter (I don’t know which one) so I’m concerned because someone with a blood disorder should not be having change in elevation very often. His job is also high in demand and I don’t want them to make him stick around if he has this. Is it up to medical or his command? My husbands health comes first so if he does have this blood disease I don’t want him doing this job.

          • Billiam201

            In theory, if he’s an aircraft crew, the Flight Surgeon should be able to ground him.

            At the very least, the taking of a prescription drug will be sufficient to ground him, without the specific approval of his Flight Surgeon. If this is a condition which can be managed with medication, he would likely be removed from his aircrew status.

            That said, if it can be managed with medication they may be less likely to separate him. That will depend on the recommendation of that Flight Surgeon, and whether his separation is approved by the Command.

            I do not have a medical degree, so I must advise you to consult with someone who does.

            I have also attached a link below to the relevant order from Marine Corps Installations East. I don’t know where you are stationed, but I believe the orders should be similar.

            Good luck, and I hope your husband is ok.

            http://www.mcieast.marines.mil/Portals/33/Documents/Adjutant/Orders/03000/MCIEAST-MCB%20CAMLEJO%203710.1.pdf

          • cassidy

            There is no medication for it. Its a blood disorder so pretty much is he gets a blood clot then he has to be under medical supervision until it passes or it could kill him. He is being tested to see if he carries the same disorder tomorrow! I hope it comes back negative but if it doesn’t then I want him out of the marine corp! His MOS is way to dangerous for him. But is what your saying that pretty much if he does have it then its up to them is he stays or not? My husband has no control over the decision?

          • Billiam201

            Unfortunately, that is exactly what I’m saying.

            A recommendation for a separation (will/will not) be made by the flight surgeon. Once that recommendation is made, it will make its way to the General. At which point he will make his decision, and decide what kind of discharge your husband will get.

            Medical or Disability separations are those which hinder the ability of the member to perform his duties, or place an “undue burden” on the service to retain and protect the member.

            They may decide that he can finish out his enlistment in Pensacola, training other crew chiefs. They aren’t all that big on losing hard-to-recruit and expensive assets like Crew Chiefs.

            While I hope that you get what you and your husband are looking for out of this, it is possible that he could spend the rest of his enlistment piloting a desk somewhere. Their logic may not be the most sound, but they may view it as a BENEFIT to him to keep him. After all, he has medical care now. The day after he gets out, neither of you has anything.

            I would recommend that he also be seen by a civilian doctor (if that’s not who is seeing him now) just to get this out of the hands of someone who works for his Squadron Commander.

            I have attached a link dealing with this from the GI Rights Hotline, as well as the Marine Corps Separation Manual.

            The latter is quite a read, so grab a comfortable spot, refresh your beverage, and see what pertains.

            http://girightshotline.org/en/military-knowledge-base/topic/disability-discharge

            http://www.hqmc.marines.mil/Portals/61/Docs/FOIA/MARCORSEPMAN/MCO%20P1900_16F.pdf

          • Billiam201

            I also found this for you.

            Section 15-54 on page 47 specifies that a coagulation disorder is disqualifying. This is under “Special Duty”, for which I believe a helicopter aircrew qualifies.

            Again, I hope your husband is ok, and I wish you luck.

            http://www.med.navy.mil/directives/Documents/NAVMED%20P-117%20(MANMED)/Chapter%2015,%20Medical%20Examinations%20(incorporates%20Changes%20128,%20130,%20135-140%20below).pdf

  • perfectforcleaning

    i’ve been in for 2 years now, i wanted out in boot camp, but figured i could get used to it, i was wrong, A and C school come along, i’m doing ok, then i realize its worthless, no point, and now, in the fleet, i cannot stand it. The mind set, the paperwork they give you for stupid shit, the power crazy NCO’s and SNCO’s.

    • Chris

      Dude, you’re halfway through. Now it’s time to make some plans so that the next 2 aren’t so hard.

      Where do you want to live? College dorm? Apartment of your own? A home with a wife or husband?
      Do you have any money saved? If you’re single, there’s no reason you can’t put away half your pay, easy. Start doing it on 12/1. Money is power, and you’ll need money so you feel good about leaving a paycheck.
      How about other goals? Are you East Coast? If so, go visit Tryon Palace in New Bern, then the pharmacy where Pepsi was invented (it’s better than sitting on your ass this weekend). Are you on Oki? Take leave and buy a plane ticket Thailand or New Zealand (get a passport first). West Coast? Go to Costa Rica – it’s super cheap and totally awesome.
      The point is, do SOMETHING so you can forget for a minute or two that your life sucks right now!

      Until then, you’re out of Brasso. Better pick some up.

  • PRPdown

    Does anyone know any loopholes with having wisdom teeth in the marines and base dental saying they need to be removed? I don’t want them removed, I’ve had em for a few years now with 0 problems. If there is a way to either get out early because of it or something please let me know

    • Master LCpl

      I cannot say for certain if they can force you to have them removed. From what I understand they will only be extracted if they are causing dental problems or can lead to problems later. Someone else may know more.
      As for getting out early, how long have you been in? Has it been more than 180 days?

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    • Billiam201

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      That’s what all those big strong maweens taught you, isnt it?

    • Master LCpl

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    • Chris

      And……?

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