I Read the Site, Learned the Truth. Should I Still Join?

Well Ive been reading the website and at first I didn’t like it because it seemed like all thebguys commenting were complaining and not taking respnsibility for the decision that they have made. I’m turning 19 soon and i dint believe your site at first nor the stories. Come to find out U guys were telling the truth!  ESPECIALLY about the bootcamp story. My moms bf was in the Marines and Fought in Beruit. As you can tell that was SOME time ago! When i told him that i was thinking about joining the Marines he told me ” Well it’s gonna be hard”. He told me whilein bootcamp he had gotten out of his bunk during the time he and the other recruits were supposed to be sleeping. So as he got up he looked outside the window. THEN that’s when his D.I caught.him punched him in the face causing his nose to bleed, but out of all of thatim for surehe could handle the hardships better than others. Now he never tried to say anything to me to keep me from joining but im now very confused. I told him thought about Airfoce and he saidvthats good. He told me he didn’t want me to join the marines. He also told me while he wasin that he had fun. He also, said after his four years were up he got out. I believe im a good person, smart also. and im well aware the propoganda etc. But of all of that i still feel the erge to join. Am i wrong for that?? Is serving worthid?? I know it truly my decision but did you even have anything about the corps you enjoyed?? I knowbthat no branch is perfect etc. I just feel like i’ll regret not joinglater down the road. This is for The enlisted Marines and the ones who are out. Did you guys feel the same way?

Submitted By: Terrell Thompson

  • Madmike19682003

    boot camp is challenging only in you having to put up with bullshit,stupidity and abuse. mentally and physically i’ve done way tougher stuff in the civilian world like sports and school. boot camp is built for stupid not smart people. it’s not built for athletes or people who had parents who did their jobs raising you. if your a winner you will find bootcamp a huge letdown.

  • Madmike19682003

    boot camp is challenging only in you having to put up with bullshit,stupidity and abuse. mentally and physically i’ve done way tougher stuff in the civilian world like sports and school. boot camp is built for stupid not smart people. it’s not built for athletes or people who had parents who did their jobs raising you. if your a winner you will find bootcamp a huge letdown.

  • Anonymous

    Run for your life. If you are smart, have any self respect, have aspirations and want a productive future…don’t join the Marine Corps. Well at least until some major changes are made. I just left Parris Island
    this past Tuesday and I am never going back.

    • Love it!

    • Rell893

      Thanks. That kicked in

  • ihateDIs89

    Run for your life. If you are smart, have any self respect, have aspirations and want a productive future…don’t join the Marine Corps. Well at least until some major changes are made. I just left Parris Island
    this past Tuesday and I am never going back.

    • S.

      Love it!

    • Rell893

      Thanks. That kicked in

  • Anonymous

    I have to agree with Madmike, I trained myself half to death before I went to boot camp so I would be prepared what I assumed would be a huge challenge.  By the time the first 3 weeks were up I was thinking “I’m going to have to lie to people at home to tell them that this was challenging at all.”

    I’m not going to lie to you and tell you that I didn’t have some good times.  There were some good times and some good guys that I met, but I’m probably never going to see them again, I might have 15 marine friends on facebook, and I only ever chat with maybe 3 of them.  So don’t let anyone convince you that you’re going to make friends that you’ll have forever, because just like high school, you get out and everybody goes their separate ways.
    But as for whether you should join or not.  All personal convictions aside, I cannot in good conscience recommend joining the marine corps.  The corps has been doing the same job as the Army for the past 10 years, and on top of that the Navy can only support about a quarter of the marine forces it could support in WWII.  Essentially the marine corps is quickly becoming obsolete.I would recommend the Army.  The Army accomplishes their mission without being quite so unnecessarily uptight.  I know this from personal observation as well as from talking to several friends I have in the Army.I would also recommend the Air Force.  From the little bit of coexistance with the Air Force that I’ve had I can tell you they maintain a significantly better standard of living in garrison while still providing essential battlefield support (Anyone here who doesn’t like air support please call me a liar).  Also they are the most technologically advanced air force in the world and they receive a budget to go with it.  A large budget means a large number of educational opportunities to make your life after the military go that much smoother.

    To briefly recap, if you feel the urge to serve your country in the armed forces, the Army and Air Force are good options, the Navy is ok if you want to risk being stuck on a ship for long periods of time, but I cannot in good conscience advise you to join the marines.  It is my sincerest conviction that, if you choose to join the corps, we will all be seeing you on this site again within the next 2 years.

    I hope you find this information useful

    Safety and Peace

    • DerkaDerp

      After getting out, I switched over to Army Reserve and I have no regrets.  My reserve unit accomplishes more in a weekend than my marine unit accomplished in a month.  When my reserve unit does a field exercise, things go well and soldiers feel like they’ve benefited from it.  When we did field exercises in the marines, we’d usually have to pause the exercise for a couple of day because something was fucked up.  All I learned from field exercises in the marines was to take about four or five books with me because things were probably going to be too fucked up for me to actually do any work.

      I’m happy with my experience in the Army Reserves so far, and I’d recommend the Army over the Marines any day.  I’ve worked with the Navy, and I can say that they don’t have it too bad.  They save a lot of money while they’re on ship (the single guys), so there’s at least a silver lining to the crappy parts of ship life.  The airmen I’ve worked with have loved their jobs and had a certain amount of independence.  Their biggest complaint was all the tattle tale crap they had to put up with.  Airmen tend to be buddy fuckers over the silliest shit, such as turning each other in for smoking while in A school.

      In the end it’s up to you and what you want to do.  One thing I can say is that if you want to learn a skill like welding, join the Navy.  If you want to get a hot shot security clearance, be a super spy, learn a million languages and maybe fly some predator drones, join the Air Force.  If you want to get your boots on the ground and your hands dirty, join the Army.  If you want to develop an addiction/eating disorder while discovering new and unheard of venereal diseases, join the Marine Corps.

      • Madmike19682003

        in my experience reservists seem like a better class of people compared to active duty types. maybe because you so many college types. maybe because you have less motards. maybe because those units are filled with people who just wanna get the job done and go home to their civilian life and not play games as they don’t give a damn about promotions.

      • Rell893

        Thanks For the information

      • BrokeDikS8R

        Sir, I must say your post is completely awesome. Especially the last part about the addiction/eating disorder 
        while discovering new and unheard of venereal diseases, join the Marine Corps. This is truly genius. I have a year left and I’m high tailing it outta hear. I’ve pondered the idea of joining the army after the Cream Corn but im a little scared for obvious reasons…. I don’t consider myself a gambling man and i’ve already rolled the dice once if you know what I mean lol… I’d love to hear some more information about you experiences in the army if you would be so kind. Thx.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    I have to agree with Madmike, I trained myself half to death before I went to boot camp so I would be prepared what I assumed would be a huge challenge.  By the time the first 3 weeks were up I was thinking “I’m going to have to lie to people at home to tell them that this was challenging at all.”

    I’m not going to lie to you and tell you that I didn’t have some good times.  There were some good times and some good guys that I met, but I’m probably never going to see them again, I might have 15 marine friends on facebook, and I only ever chat with maybe 3 of them.  So don’t let anyone convince you that you’re going to make friends that you’ll have forever, because just like high school, you get out and everybody goes their separate ways.
    But as for whether you should join or not.  All personal convictions aside, I cannot in good conscience recommend joining the marine corps.  The corps has been doing the same job as the Army for the past 10 years, and on top of that the Navy can only support about a quarter of the marine forces it could support in WWII.  Essentially the marine corps is quickly becoming obsolete.I would recommend the Army.  The Army accomplishes their mission without being quite so unnecessarily uptight.  I know this from personal observation as well as from talking to several friends I have in the Army.I would also recommend the Air Force.  From the little bit of coexistance with the Air Force that I’ve had I can tell you they maintain a significantly better standard of living in garrison while still providing essential battlefield support (Anyone here who doesn’t like air support please call me a liar).  Also they are the most technologically advanced air force in the world and they receive a budget to go with it.  A large budget means a large number of educational opportunities to make your life after the military go that much smoother.

    To briefly recap, if you feel the urge to serve your country in the armed forces, the Army and Air Force are good options, the Navy is ok if you want to risk being stuck on a ship for long periods of time, but I cannot in good conscience advise you to join the marines.  It is my sincerest conviction that, if you choose to join the corps, we will all be seeing you on this site again within the next 2 years.

    I hope you find this information useful

    Safety and Peace

    • DerkaDerp

      After getting out, I switched over to Army Reserve and I have no regrets.  My reserve unit accomplishes more in a weekend than my marine unit accomplished in a month.  When my reserve unit does a field exercise, things go well and soldiers feel like they’ve benefited from it.  When we did field exercises in the marines, we’d usually have to pause the exercise for a couple of day because something was fucked up.  All I learned from field exercises in the marines was to take about four or five books with me because things were probably going to be too fucked up for me to actually do any work.

      I’m happy with my experience in the Army Reserves so far, and I’d recommend the Army over the Marines any day.  I’ve worked with the Navy, and I can say that they don’t have it too bad.  They save a lot of money while they’re on ship (the single guys), so there’s at least a silver lining to the crappy parts of ship life.  The airmen I’ve worked with have loved their jobs and had a certain amount of independence.  Their biggest complaint was all the tattle tale crap they had to put up with.  Airmen tend to be buddy fuckers over the silliest shit, such as turning each other in for smoking while in A school.

      In the end it’s up to you and what you want to do.  One thing I can say is that if you want to learn a skill like welding, join the Navy.  If you want to get a hot shot security clearance, be a super spy, learn a million languages and maybe fly some predator drones, join the Air Force.  If you want to get your boots on the ground and your hands dirty, join the Army.  If you want to develop an addiction/eating disorder while discovering new and unheard of venereal diseases, join the Marine Corps.

      • Madmike19682003

        in my experience reservists seem like a better class of people compared to active duty types. maybe because you so many college types. maybe because you have less motards. maybe because those units are filled with people who just wanna get the job done and go home to their civilian life and not play games as they don’t give a damn about promotions.

      • Rell893

        Thanks For the information

      • BrokeDikS8R

        Sir, I must say your post is completely awesome. Especially the last part about the addiction/eating disorder 
        while discovering new and unheard of venereal diseases, join the Marine Corps. This is truly genius. I have a year left and I’m high tailing it outta hear. I’ve pondered the idea of joining the army after the Cream Corn but im a little scared for obvious reasons…. I don’t consider myself a gambling man and i’ve already rolled the dice once if you know what I mean lol… I’d love to hear some more information about you experiences in the army if you would be so kind. Thx.

  • Anonymous

    I have to agree with Madmike, I trained myself half to death before I went to boot camp so I would be prepared what I assumed would be a huge challenge.  By the time the first 3 weeks were up I was thinking “I’m going to have to lie to people at home to tell them that this was challenging at all.”

    I’m not going to lie to you and tell you that I didn’t have some good times.  There were some good times and some good guys that I met, but I’m probably never going to see them again, I might have 15 marine friends on facebook, and I only ever chat with maybe 3 of them.  So don’t let anyone convince you that you’re going to make friends that you’ll have forever, because just like high school, you get out and everybody goes their separate ways.
    But as for whether you should join or not.  All personal convictions aside, I cannot in good conscience recommend joining the marine corps.  The corps has been doing the same job as the Army for the past 10 years, and on top of that the Navy can only support about a quarter of the marine forces it could support in WWII.  Essentially the marine corps is quickly becoming obsolete.I would recommend the Army.  The Army accomplishes their mission without being quite so unnecessarily uptight.  I know this from personal observation as well as from talking to several friends I have in the Army.I would also recommend the Air Force.  From the little bit of coexistance with the Air Force that I’ve had I can tell you they maintain a significantly better standard of living in garrison while still providing essential battlefield support (Anyone here who doesn’t like air support please call me a liar).  Also they are the most technologically advanced air force in the world and they receive a budget to go with it.  A large budget means a large number of educational opportunities to make your life after the military go that much smoother.

    To briefly recap, if you feel the urge to serve your country in the armed forces, the Army and Air Force are good options, the Navy is ok if you want to risk being stuck on a ship for long periods of time, but I cannot in good conscience advise you to join the marines.  It is my sincerest conviction that, if you choose to join the corps, we will all be seeing you on this site again within the next 2 years.

    I hope you find this information useful

    Safety and Peace

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    I have to agree with Madmike, I trained myself half to death before I went to boot camp so I would be prepared what I assumed would be a huge challenge.  By the time the first 3 weeks were up I was thinking “I’m going to have to lie to people at home to tell them that this was challenging at all.”

    I’m not going to lie to you and tell you that I didn’t have some good times.  There were some good times and some good guys that I met, but I’m probably never going to see them again, I might have 15 marine friends on facebook, and I only ever chat with maybe 3 of them.  So don’t let anyone convince you that you’re going to make friends that you’ll have forever, because just like high school, you get out and everybody goes their separate ways.
    But as for whether you should join or not.  All personal convictions aside, I cannot in good conscience recommend joining the marine corps.  The corps has been doing the same job as the Army for the past 10 years, and on top of that the Navy can only support about a quarter of the marine forces it could support in WWII.  Essentially the marine corps is quickly becoming obsolete.I would recommend the Army.  The Army accomplishes their mission without being quite so unnecessarily uptight.  I know this from personal observation as well as from talking to several friends I have in the Army.I would also recommend the Air Force.  From the little bit of coexistance with the Air Force that I’ve had I can tell you they maintain a significantly better standard of living in garrison while still providing essential battlefield support (Anyone here who doesn’t like air support please call me a liar).  Also they are the most technologically advanced air force in the world and they receive a budget to go with it.  A large budget means a large number of educational opportunities to make your life after the military go that much smoother.

    To briefly recap, if you feel the urge to serve your country in the armed forces, the Army and Air Force are good options, the Navy is ok if you want to risk being stuck on a ship for long periods of time, but I cannot in good conscience advise you to join the marines.  It is my sincerest conviction that, if you choose to join the corps, we will all be seeing you on this site again within the next 2 years.

    I hope you find this information useful

    Safety and Peace

  • Rell893

    You guys helped with my decision A lot. Epecially NINJA_PUNCH and madmike. All of you. Very helpful. Also the website call futurejarheads.com, the guy on there pretty much sugar coated everything. Good thing i came in contact with this site. Again, you guys were very helpful.

  • Rell893

    You guys helped with my decision A lot. Epecially NINJA_PUNCH and madmike. All of you. Very helpful. Also the website call futurejarheads.com, the guy on there pretty much sugar coated everything. Good thing i came in contact with this site. Again, you guys were very helpful.

  • Rell893

    Im staying away from the USMC. I have too much respect for myself

  • Rell893

    Im staying away from the USMC. I have too much respect for myself

  • Rell893

    Thanks. That was useful.

  • Rell893

    Thanks. That was useful.

  • Fklopez2000

    I tell you what man, I serve my four years as an active Marine and the first two were the hardest but once you start picking up rank and get the hang of the system you’ll be ok. There is no perfect place, any place you go unless you have power and influences you will have a boss and that is what the Marine Corps is about. Today I continue to serve as a reservist and I am close to my 10th anniversary. Working on my degree to go back active as an officer. You won’t find another place like the Marine Corps that’s for sure but the experience is unforgettable and is what you make of it. I suggest you join and do it with a positive attitude if you end up getting out go through the free school get an education and you’ll be ahead of everyone else. Your background and experience will put you before anyone else. Good Luck! 
    Sgt Lopez

    • Rell893

      Appreciate it

  • Fklopez2000

    I tell you what man, I serve my four years as an active Marine and the first two were the hardest but once you start picking up rank and get the hang of the system you’ll be ok. There is no perfect place, any place you go unless you have power and influences you will have a boss and that is what the Marine Corps is about. Today I continue to serve as a reservist and I am close to my 10th anniversary. Working on my degree to go back active as an officer. You won’t find another place like the Marine Corps that’s for sure but the experience is unforgettable and is what you make of it. I suggest you join and do it with a positive attitude if you end up getting out go through the free school get an education and you’ll be ahead of everyone else. Your background and experience will put you before anyone else. Good Luck! 
    Sgt Lopez

    • Rell893

      Appreciate it

  • 1truMarine

         For those of you who are unsure about whether or not the Marine Corps is for you, than you simply need to ask yourself; “What do I want to get out of my life?”.  If you want to achieve things that would normally not be possible without a rich parental infrastructure than the Marine Corps is the right place for you.  All you need to do is follow this website and see a few examples of thoes people who were former Marines and “Conquered the Civilian World”. http://www.goodtogovideo.com/above_and_beyond_book_credentials.html

         Anything worth doing was never easy.  Look at all the people from high school who never graduated because they said it was to difficult.  The funny thing is that half of the complaints I have read have a similar ring to them when I think back to the drop-outs from my high shcool years.  I had civilian jobs before I joined and they had times where they sucked just as much as times do in the Marines.  IT’S CALLED LIFE!!!  Stop sucking on your mom’s TIT and grow up.  If you never had your ass chewed by your parents than THEY never cared to take the time to raise you properly.

              Without having evidence contrary to what is being posted on this website I cannot and will not contradict it as I could very well be the lying hypocrits that from my personal experience of 15 years tells me they are.  Maybe some of this did actually happen I don’t know, What I do know is that any action taken by a Marine that is against the Uniformed Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), which are the legal laws for all Active, Reserve, and Retired military personnel (not just the Marines), will be held accountable for said actions.  I have discharged Marines from the Corps who could not cut the mustard because of there inability to follow these regulations.  From simply showing up to work on time, to using illegal drugs.  If anyone can tell me of a civilian company that will not fire you for that…

         The bottom line is that you get out of life what you put into it.  The same can be said about the Marine Corps.  It is a foundation that has been around for longer than the United States itself (USMC birthdate Nov 10, 1775/USA birthdate July 4, 1776).  That we were here during the founding of this great nation and are still here today should say something in itself about this orginization.  I am sure everyone here has seen or heard it before but it bears repeating…

    “Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they’ve made a difference. The Marines don’t have that problem.”-President Ronald Reagan (President form 1981-1989)

    P.S. Freedom of speech is what we MARINES fight for so I dare you to delete this and squash my right to free speech.

    • 1truMarine

      From simply NOT showing up to work on time, to using illegal drugs.  If anyone can tell me of a civilian company that will not fire you for that…

          

    • Anonymous

      Maybe I’m reading this wrong, and I apologize in advance if I am: But it sounds to me like you’re trying to say that the marine corps doesn’t have a “parental infrastructure”.  My only question is: Are we still talking about the only institution in America where you have to be told ever single Friday, not to do drugs, drink and drive, rape someone, drive without a seatbelt, etc. etc.?  Because all I’ve seen is SNCO’s saying “You’re a grown man, act like one!” and then micromanaging and babysitting to the point of absurdity.

      Also, in your 15 years of experience you should be well aware that once you hit E-6, the chain of command will do it’s utmost to suppress any violations of the UCMJ, unless it is blatantly obvious that it cannot be suppressed.  In only 4 years I’ve seen 3 separate instances of that occurring.

      My last little morsel of information, the Continental Marines were created on Nov 10 1775.  After the Revolutionary War, they were disbanded.  The usmc was formed on July 11 1798.  The usmc just laid claim to it’s predecessors birthday because it knew no one else cared what their birthday was.

      By the way, Freedom of speech doesn’t apply to us, after 15 years I figured you’d have that one figured out.
      http://www.fleetmarinelife.com/?p=574

      Safety and Peace

    • I like your little dare at the end, it is cute. Anyways, I am going to break down your comment one subject at a time and explain the way I see things.

      As far as the link you posted, I looked at the site and instantly realized what point you are trying to make. You are saying (correct me if I am wrong) that if you join the Marine Corps, you could likely be successful in life like other people who have been Marines. I see a long list of CEO’s that are former Marines….  Sigh…  I hate it when people try to say that you can be a CEO or someone successful or “important” if you become a Marine first.  That is absolute bullshit. Anyone can go to their local City Hall and get a $30.00 Business License and label themselves a CEO, and they did not have to be a Marine once…  And anyone can motivate themselves to work hard even if they did not join the Marine Corps first.  So I determine that website you provided is “BULLSHIT SPAM CRAP ASS PROPAGANDA THAT LURES KIDS INTO SOMETHING THEY REGRET LINK”, and I will be censoring it as such.

      As far as your comparison of the Marine Corps with civilian work… Man are you serious?  Dude, in the civilian world, if you get yourself into a job that you find not to be your cup of tea, you leave and find a new one. You can even take a pay cut to make finding another job easier if you need to. You are able to make decisions for yourself.  For someone who joins the Marine Corps (usually under false knowledge, don’t try and deny it), if they find that the Marine Corps is not what they were told, and that they want to leave, they can’t. Not without fighting a very difficult battle or doing something drastic that would get them kicked out and looked down upon. These two different aspects are the biggest in comparison and are unarguably the biggest difference. The Marine Corps and the Civilian workplaces cannot really be called equals man…  It is my personal opinion however, that people joining the Marine Corps should have a complete understanding of what they are getting themselves into.  If someone were to know all of the bad things about the Marine Corps, and I mean ALL of the bad things, as well as ALL of the good things, and still joined.  That person really has nothing to complain about right? Think about how fair that is.

      In the third paragraph you mention the integrity of the posts on the site.  Well everyone can ask that of anything in this world, which is a good thing. I can only speak for myself and say that anything that I have said on this site is completely true.  This site thrives off of the ability for everyone to remain anonymous so we make it easy for people to do so.  Unfortunately, the way our society works, nothing can really be proven without evidence. But then again, nothing has been disproven, which I am always open to discuss. You also mentioned drug pops and trouble makers. Well I do not think that drug pops and trouble makers are the only type of people who get fucked over in this world so yeah… According to most of the people who post here, they have honorable discharges or will soon be getting one. It is the internet man, you never know. I for one, pick and choose whom I believe, as should everyone else.

      Finally, you mentioned “you get out of life what you put into it”. I completely 100% agree with you sir. I really do. It can be applied to the Marine Corps as well as any other direction someone decides to go in life.  But the Marine Corps is not the only way someone can find direction/answers/glory/self esteem or whatever it is the individual is seeking. A lot of people say that a lot of people “need” the Marine Corps to get themselves on track or for whatever reason they have invented, and I disagree with that. I disagree with that big time. “You get out of life what you put into it”, this mindset in any motivated person can achieve anything they want. I think for most, going to college is the best way to take that “first step” into something. Those who work hard pay off in the end, those who don’t, well, they wasted their own time. A person does not even need to go to school to take a first step into something. They can invest a few hundred bucks and start their own small business. There are a million things that someone can do besides join the Marine Corps.

      The Marine Corps should be advertised as one of many directions someone can take rather than the best and only. Let’s not limit our society to one avenue of progress.

  • 1truMarine

    For those of you who are unsure about whether or not the Marine Corps is for you, than you simply need to ask yourself; “What do I want to get out of my life?”.  If you want to achieve things that would normally not be possible without a rich parental infrastructure than the Marine Corps is the right place for you.  All you need to do is follow this website and see a few examples of thoes people who were former Marines and “Conquered the Civilian World”. BULLSHIT SPAM CRAP ASS PROPAGANDA THAT LURES KIDS INTO SOMETHING THEY REGRET LINK

         Anything worth doing was never easy.  Look at all the people from high school who never graduated because they said it was to difficult.  The funny thing is that half of the complaints I have read have a similar ring to them when I think back to the drop-outs from my high shcool years.  I had civilian jobs before I joined and they had times where they sucked just as much as times do in the Marines.  IT’S CALLED LIFE!!!  Stop sucking on your mom’s TIT and grow up.  If you never had your ass chewed by your parents than THEY never cared to take the time to raise you properly.

              Without having evidence contrary to what is being posted on this website I cannot and will not contradict it as I could very well be the lying hypocrits that from my personal experience of 15 years tells me they are.  Maybe some of this did actually happen I don’t know, What I do know is that any action taken by a Marine that is against the Uniformed Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), which are the legal laws for all Active, Reserve, and Retired military personnel (not just the Marines), will be held accountable for said actions.  I have discharged Marines from the Corps who could not cut the mustard because of there inability to follow these regulations.  From simply showing up to work on time, to using illegal drugs.  If anyone can tell me of a civilian company that will not fire you for that…

         The bottom line is that you get out of life what you put into it.  The same can be said about the Marine Corps.  It is a foundation that has been around for longer than the United States itself (USMC birthdate Nov 10, 1775/USA birthdate July 4, 1776).  That we were here during the founding of this great nation and are still here today should say something in itself about this orginization.  I am sure everyone here has seen or heard it before but it bears repeating…

    “Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they’ve made a difference. The Marines don’t have that problem.”-President Ronald Reagan (President form 1981-1989)

    P.S. Freedom of speech is what we MARINES fight for so I dare you to delete this and squash my right to free speech.

    • 1truMarine

      From simply NOT showing up to work on time, to using illegal drugs.  If anyone can tell me of a civilian company that will not fire you for that…

          

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Maybe I’m reading this wrong, and I apologize in advance if I am: But it sounds to me like you’re trying to say that the marine corps doesn’t have a “parental infrastructure”.  My only question is: Are we still talking about the only institution in America where you have to be told ever single Friday, not to do drugs, drink and drive, rape someone, drive without a seatbelt, etc. etc.?  Because all I’ve seen is SNCO’s saying “You’re a grown man, act like one!” and then micromanaging and babysitting to the point of absurdity.

      Also, in your 15 years of experience you should be well aware that once you hit E-6, the chain of command will do it’s utmost to suppress any violations of the UCMJ, unless it is blatantly obvious that it cannot be suppressed.  In only 4 years I’ve seen 3 separate instances of that occurring.

      My last little morsel of information, the Continental Marines were created on Nov 10 1775.  After the Revolutionary War, they were disbanded.  The usmc was formed on July 11 1798.  The usmc just laid claim to it’s predecessors birthday because it knew no one else cared what their birthday was.

      By the way, Freedom of speech doesn’t apply to us, after 15 years I figured you’d have that one figured out.
      http://www.fleetmarinelife.com/?p=574

      Safety and Peace

    • S.

      I like your little dare at the end, it is cute. Anyways, I am going to break down your comment one subject at a time and explain the way I see things.

      As far as the link you posted, I looked at the site and instantly realized what point you are trying to make. You are saying (correct me if I am wrong) that if you join the Marine Corps, you could likely be successful in life like other people who have been Marines. I see a long list of CEO’s that are former Marines….  Sigh…  I hate it when people try to say that you can be a CEO or someone successful or “important” if you become a Marine first.  That is absolute bullshit. Anyone can go to their local City Hall and get a $30.00 Business License and label themselves a CEO, and they did not have to be a Marine once…  And anyone can motivate themselves to work hard even if they did not join the Marine Corps first.  So I determine that website you provided is “BULLSHIT SPAM CRAP ASS PROPAGANDA THAT LURES KIDS INTO SOMETHING THEY REGRET LINK”, and I will be censoring it as such.

      As far as your comparison of the Marine Corps with civilian work… Man are you serious?  Dude, in the civilian world, if you get yourself into a job that you find not to be your cup of tea, you leave and find a new one. You can even take a pay cut to make finding another job easier if you need to. You are able to make decisions for yourself.  For someone who joins the Marine Corps (usually under false knowledge, don’t try and deny it), if they find that the Marine Corps is not what they were told, and that they want to leave, they can’t. Not without fighting a very difficult battle or doing something drastic that would get them kicked out and looked down upon. These two different aspects are the biggest in comparison and are unarguably the biggest difference. The Marine Corps and the Civilian workplaces cannot really be called equals man…  It is my personal opinion however, that people joining the Marine Corps should have a complete understanding of what they are getting themselves into.  If someone were to know all of the bad things about the Marine Corps, and I mean ALL of the bad things, as well as ALL of the good things, and still joined.  That person really has nothing to complain about right? Think about how fair that is.

      In the third paragraph you mention the integrity of the posts on the site.  Well everyone can ask that of anything in this world, which is a good thing. I can only speak for myself and say that anything that I have said on this site is completely true.  This site thrives off of the ability for everyone to remain anonymous so we make it easy for people to do so.  Unfortunately, the way our society works, nothing can really be proven without evidence. But then again, nothing has been disproven, which I am always open to discuss. You also mentioned drug pops and trouble makers. Well I do not think that drug pops and trouble makers are the only type of people who get fucked over in this world so yeah… According to most of the people who post here, they have honorable discharges or will soon be getting one. It is the internet man, you never know. I for one, pick and choose whom I believe, as should everyone else.

      Finally, you mentioned “you get out of life what you put into it”. I completely 100% agree with you sir. I really do. It can be applied to the Marine Corps as well as any other direction someone decides to go in life.  But the Marine Corps is not the only way someone can find direction/answers/glory/self esteem or whatever it is the individual is seeking. A lot of people say that a lot of people “need” the Marine Corps to get themselves on track or for whatever reason they have invented, and I disagree with that. I disagree with that big time. “You get out of life what you put into it”, this mindset in any motivated person can achieve anything they want. I think for most, going to college is the best way to take that “first step” into something. Those who work hard pay off in the end, those who don’t, well, they wasted their own time. A person does not even need to go to school to take a first step into something. They can invest a few hundred bucks and start their own small business. There are a million things that someone can do besides join the Marine Corps.

      The Marine Corps should be advertised as one of many directions someone can take rather than the best and only. Let’s not limit our society to one avenue of progress.

  • SemperFi

    As long as you get that Honorable Discharge, son! You’ll need two things though: (1) Physical Strength and (2) Balls (not always in that order though). I’m out now, I still can’t believe it was over so fast (but it seemed like an eternity while I was in). Everything they teach you in boot is very important to your surviving the rest of your military (Marine Corps) career, regardless of how many years that may be. Do what you are told, and shut the fuck up (not always in that order though).

    Every Marine has LOVE and HATE for the Corps BOTH! If we only loved it, than it would be the Air Farce (super easy).

    I believe that most of these disgruntle Marines either come from pampered lifestyles and they just can’t deal with the hardships, or they wish they would have just gone into the infantry (since every Marine gets just about the same amount of mental abuse anyways in order to remain prepared for combat).

    If you aint doing nothing, and you got 4 years or more (like forever 6 feet underground) and you think that you can hack it… Be a man and decide, it is up to you.

    The Marine Corps aint fucked up. The Marines who are fucked up, fuck it up for everybody else (even the higher-ups)!

    • Madmike19682003

      “deal with hardships”? i’ve had civilian jobs more demanding in many respects than the marines and high school was intellectually way tougher and so was grade school for that matter and high school sports are physically tougher than boot camp. it’s the bullshit that makes the corps suck. chickenshit,hazing,initiations,dealing with douchebags i wouldn’t hire to work in a fast food restaurant telling you what to do,mindless inspections and formations. and i would much rather have someone raised in a middle or upperclass home than someone from the ghetto or trailer park any day. people from the ass end of american society are more often than not the ones committing crimes and doing the really dumb shit.

      • DerkaDerp

        Hey, dude, I live in a trailer park.  It’s the only housing I can afford on the GI Bill.  All the apartments that aren’t in shit holes cost over 3/4 of my BAH.

        • Madmike19682003

          i’m not insulting the all poor people (i’ve been poor myself) i’m just saying people with middle class all american values in my experience make better servicemen than people who were raised with lower class values. all things being considered and all other things being equaled i’d rather have the son of a doctor than a ditch digger. that’s one of my marine corps complaints…the reliance on recruiting people who come from the lower class and are joining the military just because they need a job.

        • Proudvetran

          they cost over 3/4 of your bah? well what the fuck dingus. 4/4 – 3/4 = 1/4of your bah remaining……maybe spend it on rent as it is intended? duh.

          • DerkaDerp

            Wow…you’re a dipshit.  I’m so sorry that no one told you sooner.

      • SemperFi

        “i’ve had civilian jobs more demanding in many respects than the marine”
        – ARE YOU ON CRACK? Job duties aren’t the issue here.

        “high school was intellectually way tougher”
        – ARE YOU SURE YOU WERE AN
        ACTIVE DUTY MARINE? Maybe you should have been an officer, so you could go to
        the “O-Club” and have intellectually stimulating conversation; since
        poor trailer trash lack the mental capacity neccesary for a chat with you.

        “and high school sports are physically tougher than boot camp”
         – WHO WAS
        YOUR DRILL INSTRUCTOR? If you don’t give 100% maximum effort, then you
        won’t get everything out of it. If I go to the gym, and I just sit on the
        equipment everyday with out training… can I bitch about not getting any positive physical
        results?

        The Marine Corps is supposed to be an elite naval force, consisting of
        at minimal: all basically trained infantry (riflemen) Marines; then up
        to
        special operations capable Marines (Force). The Marine Corps is super
        small compared to the Army, but tries to do much more than any other
        branch of the service.

        In order to complete this
        mission, the Marine Corps fucks with EVERYBODY so hard that even
        the 3rd phase recruits are about an eight of an inch away from ripping someones head off and shitting in it while eating MRE’s with a KBAR, and spitting Skittles as they let out a war cry full of frustration, irritation, sadness, anger, fear, and hatred on the 4th floor of the Naval hospital.

        I once heard a young grunt say to his NCO, “Corporal, I’m beginning think that
        maybe we don’t have the hardest job in the Marines after all. -Because all
        we do is go to the field, then get liberty, then go back to the field, over and over.”
        I saw that same Marine on a hump about 6 months later (November), as I walked out of
        the warm building and into the icy cold rain they were all coming from
        the direction of the woods, covered in mud, and ice-water. Steam
        evaporated from their bodies and the Battalion almost looked like a locomotive as the Carolina sun began
        to break through the clouds and slowly creep upon them.

        I can’t say I was jealous of those Marines that day; but I’m trying to
        say that if someone thinks your job is easy, -they aren’t always right.
        If you give 100% of your self at all times, you’ll find that you have
        gained that which is the most valuable thing of all, “dignity” – for
        whatever it’s worth (I know these new Marines are probably thinking,
        “What about a bonus too, …do we get a lump-sum though?”).

        • Madmike19682003

          as a matter of fact the first civilian job i had coming out of high school was way tougher day in and day out than boot camp. marine corps boot camp is built for people with i.q.s of 80. check it out that is the minimal score needed to join the corps. and what kind of elite unit has standards that low? try to join the marines than try and apply for a good civilian job….see which is easier. why is it marine recruiters are the most pushy and and try so much harder than any other branches recruiters to sign people up? if the product is good enough to sell itself you wouldn’t need recruiters. what kind of elite unit takes losers who served time for crimes including felonies? if you think most marines are special forces calibre than you are seriously delusional. by the way what civilian jobs have you had? and finally pretty much everyone here passed recruit training and got a honorable discharge(i did it in the grunts).

          • SemperFi

            Is there a web site dedicated to hating your first civilian job as well? Do you live there too, or only on this site? You weren’t a Marine Corps Infantry-man; you was a soldier, -HUH?!?! Isn’t that right? Hey man, MARINE means MARINE; I don’t give a fuck about a MOS, give them infantry idiots all ASVAB waivers I say!!! We say, “Sergeant of Marines” we don’t say, “Sarge” do you read me?

            If you got what it takes to make it through, then you can talk, not like some people trying to pass themselves off as Marines, but they are really just jealous because they were only good enough for the army.

            If you think that special forces training is way more difficult than what your basically trained Marines have to do on a regular basis, maybe you ought to look at the facts. Even alot of Navy seals are Marines, and any spec-op sniper worth his salt has completed MARINE CORPS Sniper School (optional for those, “special” boys you think so highly of).

            Yes, the Marine Corps is some bull-shit some times, but I thought your civilan jobs were harder though… You must really hate those civian jobs then. Oh wait, you are probably lying about having a hard civian job, just like you are lying about being in the Marine Corps! I’ll bet you are probably one of those guys who spent 20+ years in the National Guard as an E-3, with a big nasty mustache, and you’re probably the size of an elephant too. You probably can’t even reach your own fat ass to wipe, then you wear your soldiering utlities out in town.

            You are a wanna-be (lmfao)!!!

          • Madmike19682003

            no shithead i was in c co 1/6 2nd mar div as a 0311. i never served in the guard. but i have worked with all branches and i’ve met a helluva lotta soldiers i’d rather have backing me up in combat than a lotta marines i served with. try to get a good civilian job than try to enlist in the corps see which is harder. which is easier to get fired from? yeah thats what i thought. if the marine corps made beer it would cost $200 a six pack and would taste like shit and we would have to wait in line all day to buy it. and the job i have with the airline is great. by the way war hero tell me about yourself….pogue ass pussy!!

          • OilyMarine

            He is just talking shit madmike. Don’t let him draw you in too far.

          • Madmike19682003

            yeah i know i just can’t believe how these weak minded simpletons let themselves get brainwashed so easily.

          • SemperFi

             2D MP BN / A CO

            (THAT’S FIELD MILITARY POLICE TO YOU; YOU BITCH ASS ASVAB WAIVER)

            SEMPER YOUR MAMA TOO!!!

          • Madmike19682003

            well you can’t spell wimp without m.p. and fuck you i scored in the top 1% of the asvab i just wanted to do something other than kick boxes,fill out paperwork or screw with drunk marines.

      • Proudvetran

        you know… in one of your posts mike…you were talking about putting batteries in a starlite scope… we havn’t use those since vietnam and a short pime after. I’m pulling your fucking bullshit card……
         

        • Madmike19682003

          pull it and choke on it. i can tell you for a fact the corps was using them into the 1990’s. i know i was in it then.

          • Oohrah!

            Let me guess mike, you were a peace time pogue? Forty years old an bitching bout the marine corps with these fucking 19 year olds. Bizarre to say the least. Proudvet actually saw combat unlike anyone on this site. But he’s the only one that knows the marine gets shot done. That should tell all of you something. I really would not want any of these guys watching my back in combat.

          • Madmike19682003

            no i was infantry and saw some combat and i wouldn’t want to be near you either. i am on this site not to make fun of veterans but to give a heads up to people thinking of joining. to let them know about the hazing and stupid shit and maybe deal with it a little better. and if in the process it makes the lifers who care more about their career than the mission uncomfortable and ashamed than that is a bonus. i believe in a strong military in fact i believe that there should be some type of compulsary national service but i’d make it like switzerland in that you’d do a few months of intensive but non abusive training than you would be in the national guard or something with the stipulation that you can not deploy overseas without your consent. i believe in a strong military but i don’t think we should be the worlds policeman. the armed forces should be for defense not offense. i hope that all of our ramblings get the attention of the powers that be and hopefully make them think.

    • DerkaDerp

      Pampered lifestyles?  Yeah, growing up one lousy pay check away from homelessness sure was fun and easy.  I did learn a few things from my working class background:  How to work hard at work worth doing, and to never let anyone push me around.  The marine corps liked my work ethic, but hated my refusal to allow them to bully and abuse me.  They only liked my work ethic because inadequate men could take credit for my sweat.
      As far as wishing I had joined the infantry, it was never really an option for me.  I did intel, and I was fucking good at it.  I’m not sorry that I didn’t drink the same kool-aid as you.  I’m not sorry that I don’t worship the ground grunts hump.  I loved my job and, had it not been for the dumb shit marines, I’d still be doing it.  It sure is great having your work ignored or your credit stolen.

      • SemperFi

        Some people aren’t cut out to be Marines, some can’t do what they are
        told and shut the fuck up. Hey I know grunts, Field MP’s, box-kickers and cooks who
        have been passed over for shit they deserved (promotions, awards, etc.); -so
        quit whining!

        What do you think? If you get a civilian job, you’ll get a pay-raise for
        all of your honest work over some mindless brown-nosing, cum-guzzling
        twerp who can regurgitate the boss’s every word verbatim, and suck’s the supervisor’s asses till they all begin to hate on you for not being with the, “IN” crowd too? Marines shouldn’t crave recognition for doing what they aught to be doing.

        “INTEL (LOL)?” That’s the biggest oxymoron in the military, Devil
        Dog. There ain’t no intelligence in the military (especially the Marine Corps); there is only
        COUNTER-INTEL (you knuckle-heads just gather and pass on the same
        bull-shit information that you are supposed to pass on; and NOT what’s
        really going on at all). How does that kool-aid taste? Like shit right!?!?!

        I didn’t mean to imply that the infantry life was the envy of all good Marines btw. I am just making an observation from my personal experience as a Marine, and I would be the first to admit that there’s no ONE SIZE FITS ALL answer to the riddle of the nature of the Marines duality; that is to say, between LOVE and HATE.

        One thing I know for sure, the grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence.

        • crushedsoul

           You have obviously never dealt with Intel marines to realize: 1) the dumbest one has an I.Q. at least 20 points above yours, 2) counter-intelligence is exactly what it sounds like (disrupting the enemy’s efforts to gain intelligence on you), 3) being a marine doesn’t make one a worthy person, though there are plenty of worthy people who have taken up the mantle of marine and 4) brown-nosing in the civilian world get YOU ahead, not your shitty staff NCO. 

          You have this notion that people shouldn’t speak up against bad management, bad ideas or bad leaders in any case because that’s what you were taught as a marine.  You’re probably one of those arrogant pricks who thinks that E-3s and below shouldn’t rate awards for hard work, and rather, those awards should be distributed to the brave lieutenant who ordered his marines to charge a fighting position.  Your lack of respect for the strife these people put up with sickens me.

          • SemperFi

             Assume! You are trying make an ass out of yourself, and me both; but I must say that you don’t know shit about me Devil-nuts. I don’t know it all; but I know enough. I know that if you were so fucking smart, and you joined the Marine Corps, and you have the God-damn nerve to complain about it, than you are the dumb-ass!!!

            INTEL… (I’m still LMFAO)!!!!

            I’ll bet that you think, “Terrorist with box-cutters hijacked 4 airplanes, then attacked the US, hitting 75% of their targets!”

            Look who’s the one sucking-ass, and sucking on Uncle Sams big green weenie now?

            BTW: fuck officers (most of ’em anyhow)!

          • crushedsoul

            Wow, you seriously have the argumentative skills of a six-year old, and the congitive reasoning to match. I don’t know you personally. You also assume (I am using this word this time, unlike last time) this “tracer round doesn’t work both ways.” You don’t know me. You don’t know why I joined. You also can’t comprehend why the people here complain about the things they do. When you buy a car, you test drive it to make sure you don’t get a piece of shit. You don’t get a test drive before joining your beloved piece of shit. I was contractually obligated to keep paying for the lemon I bought. As far as intel goes: I really can’t stress how fucking stupid you are. You weren’t an 02XX or a 26XX so don’t jump into the toilet without knowing the shit. Everything I did was WELL above you’re clearance level, pay grade, and head. Finally, you’re the one sucking on the dicks of every single person who outranks you. You’re the fucking blowhard who can’t shit without a staff NCO’s permission. I am done with a dumbass who has no clue what he is talking about. Have fun kicking boxes, pushing papers or whatever it is you do. Don’t bother to tell me, either. I won’t care and I won’t be back to congratulate you on being the ASVAB waiver you love calling out.

          • Semper_yo_mama

            You should crush your brain housing group too, cause your dumb-ass made INTEL, and you still have the nerve to complain about “not having enough information on what I was signing up for” -bitch ass

          • Soupserving

             Are you retarded or something?  Take a moment and read what you just wrote…

  • njpordie

    as long as you dont sign a contract as a 2800 or 0600 you wont be too suicidal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • njpordie

    as long as you dont sign a contract as a 2800 or 0600 you wont be too suicidal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Chesty was gay

    dude join the air force . the only people who do good in the mairne corps are people who spent most of their pathetic lives hanging from their underwear in high school . they come to the corps and get some power and start preaching their bullshit to everyone else . if you are not easily brainwashed then i would not join the marines . plus they are cutting 20,000 marines because everyone is starting to realize that the marine corps is just a big waste of fucking tax dollars . they sit and talk about all this tradition bullshit and all these battles but here is a news flash none of these people fought in any of these battles . plus with corps getting cut to 182,000 with more cuts probaly to come you will spend your 1st 4 years as an e-3 or lower unless you suck major cock . basically you can mow lawns and make more money than you will in the corps and go through way less bullshit .

    • Anonymous

      Well said.

    • Proudvetran

      funny… I was clearing 2800 a month after taxes as a lance corporal….. and sonny…when I joined the Corps, it was normal for a Marine to only attain the rank of lance corporal or corporal in four years. the war accelerated the process of picking up rank.

    • Chyco893

      Thanks. Im Terrell they guy who posted the stpry about joinin. You guys helped a lot. Much Thnks to you.

  • Chesty was gay

    dude join the air force . the only people who do good in the mairne corps are people who spent most of their pathetic lives hanging from their underwear in high school . they come to the corps and get some power and start preaching their bullshit to everyone else . if you are not easily brainwashed then i would not join the marines . plus they are cutting 20,000 marines because everyone is starting to realize that the marine corps is just a big waste of fucking tax dollars . they sit and talk about all this tradition bullshit and all these battles but here is a news flash none of these people fought in any of these battles . plus with corps getting cut to 182,000 with more cuts probaly to come you will spend your 1st 4 years as an e-3 or lower unless you suck major cock . basically you can mow lawns and make more money than you will in the corps and go through way less bullshit .

    • swizzlestik

      Well said.

    • Chyco893

      Thanks. Im Terrell they guy who posted the stpry about joinin. You guys helped a lot. Much Thnks to you.

  • Proudvetran

    this website is not the truth. it is moderated and posted on by people who are disalusioned with their time in the Marine Corps. many of them were what we would call shitbags. you must do what you feel in your heart is correct. don’t listen to these whiny bitches that weren’t worthy of the title of Marine.

  • Semper_BYE

    air force air force air force. served in okinawa on futenma, fuckin wack.  all that pride nd tradition is used against yu to do sum mundain task that a monkey or convict can be doin. if yu dumb, join. if yu have way intelligent yull go air force.

  • Semper_BYE

    air force air force air force. served in okinawa on futenma, fuckin wack.  all that pride nd tradition is used against yu to do sum mundain task that a monkey or convict can be doin. if yu dumb, join. if yu have way intelligent yull go air force.

  • Semper GAY

    stop worrying about boot camp, boot camp was easy, annoying rather than hard. thats how the recruiters get you they focus on boot camp because thats what eveyone worries about. what they want you to forget about is the other three years and nine months you signed up for after boot camp, now that is the part that sucks. do not join, you can do better things with your life.

    this is coming from a lance corporal who has been in 3 years and 1 combat deployment and can’t fucking wait to get out in a year

  • Semper GAY

    stop worrying about boot camp, boot camp was easy, annoying rather than hard. thats how the recruiters get you they focus on boot camp because thats what eveyone worries about. what they want you to forget about is the other three years and nine months you signed up for after boot camp, now that is the part that sucks. do not join, you can do better things with your life.

    this is coming from a lance corporal who has been in 3 years and 1 combat deployment and can’t fucking wait to get out in a year

  • Todd Johnson

    ‘If you think that special forces training is way more difficult than what your basically trained Marines have to do on a regular basis, maybe you ought to look at the facts. Even alot of Navy seals are Marines, and any spec-op sniper worth his salt has completed MARINE CORPS Sniper School (optional for those, “special” boys you think so highly of).’- Semper Fi.
    Ok, I’m gonna dissect this BS. The difference between special operations training and Marine recruit training is that special ops will weed you out. Boot camp seldom weeds shitheads out- this is why there are so many shitheads in the USMC. 2nd, there are few SEALS that were Marines. A common myth is that ‘a lot of Navy SEALS are Marines’ is simply a rumor. There were Marines that have gone through BUDS (for cross training purposes like how some SEALS go through scout snipers courses). 3rd, not all spec-ops snipers go through USMC scout sniper school. The Army has their own sniper school and a sniper school for special operations forces. I don’t hate the USMC but when people spew out bullshit, I have to step in.

    • SemperFi

      WAIT UP!!! Maybe what I’m trying to say isn’t what yall are hearing (selective hearing is probably why too) Todd…

      A lot of Navy SeALs are Marines, just like a lot of cops are Marines (I NEVER said nor meant to imply that the vast majority, or even a large ratio of Navy SeALs are Marines; just because the SeALs want to steal our digi’s and dress up like Marines, don’t mean that they are Marines).

      The MARINE CORPS recruit training has the highest percentage of drop-out’s (quiters, broken-dicks, and sand-in-the-clits) than any other branch of the service (YES it does weed out shit-bags, but not enough though, I do agree; just look at all of the Marines on this web-site). What makes USMC boot-camp so special? I can’t name ’em all off the top of my head, but if you figure in the PFT, black-friday, rappel-tower, MCMAP, rifle qual, swim qual, gas chamber, Marine Corps history exam (written and oral), Final Drill, and the Crucible… , well let’s just just put it like this: Every basically trained Marine (with out even going to SOI yet) has a major leg up on even the finest BUDS graduates (the SeALs don’t quit their froggy-training at BUDS, and Marines don’t quit going through hell after boot-camp; but we’ll leave it at that).

      OK? So now you should be able to dissect this too:

      The Marine Corps IS Special Operations, because of the Marine Expeditionary Force, and the Reconnaissance Companies that come with it. Hence the Marine Expeditionary Unit, and the Special Operations Capable qualifications that come with.

      We all know that Force Recon is the way better than the other Spec-Ops (like the SeALs), but that’s not the point. If the Navy SeALs have a friggin radio operator, or a computer genius, oooor  even a frog who they work very close with, well then guess what? That “POGUE” (as infantry Marines might say) is one of them too; meaning that they are special operations as well. Kind of like when you have a box-kicker or a LAV crewman oor even a Corpsman who belongs to an infantry unit, now those, “POGUES” are considered, “GRUNTS”! So every MARINE, be he POG or ASVAB WAIVER is a part of the Special Operations, “TEAM (as the SeALs might say)” called the MARINE CORPS.

      Thanks for stepping in Todd; too bad that you stepped in the, “Devil” dog-shit though (ruff-ruff!!!).

      I seriously have the upmost respect for the SeALs, Rangers, Para-Recuers, etc, but they’ll never be Marines though (even if they probably could have been).

  • Todd Johnson

    ‘If you think that special forces training is way more difficult than what your basically trained Marines have to do on a regular basis, maybe you ought to look at the facts. Even alot of Navy seals are Marines, and any spec-op sniper worth his salt has completed MARINE CORPS Sniper School (optional for those, “special” boys you think so highly of).’- Semper Fi.
    Ok, I’m gonna dissect this BS. The difference between special operations training and Marine recruit training is that special ops will weed you out. Boot camp seldom weeds shitheads out- this is why there are so many shitheads in the USMC. 2nd, there are few SEALS that were Marines. A common myth is that ‘a lot of Navy SEALS are Marines’ is simply a rumor. There were Marines that have gone through BUDS (for cross training purposes like how some SEALS go through scout snipers courses). 3rd, not all spec-ops snipers go through USMC scout sniper school. The Army has their own sniper school and a sniper school for special operations forces. I don’t hate the USMC but when people spew out bullshit, I have to step in.