Marine Corps Boot Camp – Not What I Thought It Would Be

Good evening everyone.  I am swizzlestik’s son.  First of all, thank you for being there for my mom.  You really helped her through a lot of grief and pain.

When I joined the Corps, I went in with all the spirit, confidence and committment anyone could muster.  I was not fresh out of high school but I was fresh out of college.  I had high expectations of myself and of the Marine Corps.  I saw them just as they portray themselves, a tough yet honorable organization.

I expected their training to consist of yelling, screaming, stupid mind games and other BS but I never expected to see and experience and hear of the things that happened.

Through receiving week, it was pretty much was I was told to expect.  I was nervous and homesick just like every other recruit.  But when training day one hit and all the rest of the training days therafter, the shit hit the fan in a big way.

This was when stuff that I didn’t expect started to occur. Those things included but are not limited to:

1. A recruit was spartan kicked in the chest into his rack.
2. A recruit touched his own face and the DI hit him in the face with his campaign cover and it drew quite a bit of blood.
3. Another recruit touched his face and was hit in the face with a clipboard.
4. The guide’s rifle carrying handle fell off because it was loose so the DI held it like brass knuckles and hit him in the back of the head with it really hard.
5. I was folding a blanket with another recruit and apparently the DI felt I was in his ‘way’ so he kicked me hard in the rear striking my upper back thigh.
6. I was in the process of trying to quit and I refused to move.  So 2 DI’s ran up to me and proceeded to rips my undershirt to shreds from my body.  They threatened to continue to IT the whole platoon if I didn’t participate so I IT’ed so they would stop messing with everyone.
7. Numerous times we were denied head calls and so many of the recruits unrinated on themselves.
8. In chow hall, the DI’s would come over for no reason and yell  so they could spit in your food in the process. One took his hands and mushed all the food on my tray together with his nasty bare hands because he didn’t feel I yelled ‘Good afternoon, Sir’ to him loud enough.

I’ll continue later.  But the list goes on and on.  They did learn somehow that it was me who reported the abuse through my mom. Also when I was in RSP, the other recruits were telling me of things that were a lot worse and there are many there who had been injured by the DI’s both mentally and physically.  It was the first time I had actually seen someone who had cracked and was truly crazy from all the mind-screwing and abuse.

I was given a 3P for a re-enlistment code and told that none of this would follow me.  The Lt. Col. told my mother the same thing but I am hearing a different  story. Does anyone know how this works?  For example, if I wanted to join the Army or Air Force.  According to the Corps, it won’t affect that.

I am so down right now.  I feel lost and not sure what to do.  My mom is here with me and she is a very strong lady. She is trying to help me get through this.  Right now, I need all the help and advice I can get.
I didn’t pussy out guys.  I just figured out all too quickly what the deal was and refused to be a part of this dishonor and abuse.  I think that what I did was more honorable than just settling for whatever bullshit they dished out to me.  I’m not stupid and they could not brainwash me.  So really, they lost the war with me.

I do feel guilt about leaving my fellow recruits behind.  Over half of them wanted to come with me.  I will write more later but right now my brain feels like scrambled eggs.  I need to get things sorted out.  I just hope I can.

Submitted By: ihateDIs89

  • Ajco2004

    Please read this entire comment before having a reply. Honestly, I went through some of that same stuff as you, and even more. I went in Boot Camp in January 2006, I was 5’8″ and almost 200 lbs, so I was considered a fatbody, and we all know the fatbodies get more shit than everyone. Here are some of the harsher things I went through/saw: I was punched in my face by the Receiving DI, you know, the one that treats you “nicer” than your real DIs. My Senior DI threw me from the doorway of the head to the duty hut, just by my chest hair (I have the scar to prove it). I had my (at the time) wife and unborn daughter’s life  threatened, had my knuckles crushed while doing rifle pushups, and many other things.  One recruit (who was later medically discharged in MCT for being mentally unstable) both shit and pissed his pants on occasional times, because the killhat wouldn’t let him use the head. The same recruit was made to lie in the pisser trough because he had to piss 15 minutes after we just used the head after lunch. During the Crucible I was forced to shave with a pine cone because I lost my razor. It scarred my face. The point I’m trying to get to is, the reason they (the DIs) do this to you is because Marine Corps Boot Camp is supposed to resemble a POW Camp. I’m not saying you’re weak (neither physically or mentally), I don’t know you at all to say either of these things, I am saying that the Marine Corps, especially the Boot Camp part, is not made for the weak minded. Excuse my French, but fuck physical strength. It’s really not needed in boot camp. 
    One recruit in my platoon did snap one day, about a month into training. He didn’t get out of his rack one morning, and the DIs were screaming at him to get up, then they called the MPs. I made it through, along with almost my entire platoon. As long as you do what you’re told, push yourself 100%, and show the DIs that you really want to be a Marine, you’ll make it through. Again, this is not a comment to put you down, I’m just stating my opinion on what you went through. If you take any offense to this, then that’s your problem.

    • Madmike19682003

      like you i was a fatbody recruit and like you i toughed it out and graduated,did 4 years in the grunts and got out with a honorable. that being said i got way more out of college judo than i got out of the moron corps and yeah life is hard but i’ve worked civilian jobs that physically were way tougher than parris island. the training is to make you a slave not a warrior and that is one of my primary complaints on this site.

  • Ajco2004

    Please read this entire comment before having a reply. Honestly, I went through some of that same stuff as you, and even more. I went in Boot Camp in January 2006, I was 5’8″ and almost 200 lbs, so I was considered a fatbody, and we all know the fatbodies get more shit than everyone. Here are some of the harsher things I went through/saw: I was punched in my face by the Receiving DI, you know, the one that treats you “nicer” than your real DIs. My Senior DI threw me from the doorway of the head to the duty hut, just by my chest hair (I have the scar to prove it). I had my (at the time) wife and unborn daughter’s life  threatened, had my knuckles crushed while doing rifle pushups, and many other things.  One recruit (who was later medically discharged in MCT for being mentally unstable) both shit and pissed his pants on occasional times, because the killhat wouldn’t let him use the head. The same recruit was made to lie in the pisser trough because he had to piss 15 minutes after we just used the head after lunch. During the Crucible I was forced to shave with a pine cone because I lost my razor. It scarred my face. The point I’m trying to get to is, the reason they (the DIs) do this to you is because Marine Corps Boot Camp is supposed to resemble a POW Camp. I’m not saying you’re weak (neither physically or mentally), I don’t know you at all to say either of these things, I am saying that the Marine Corps, especially the Boot Camp part, is not made for the weak minded. Excuse my French, but fuck physical strength. It’s really not needed in boot camp. 
    One recruit in my platoon did snap one day, about a month into training. He didn’t get out of his rack one morning, and the DIs were screaming at him to get up, then they called the MPs. I made it through, along with almost my entire platoon. As long as you do what you’re told, push yourself 100%, and show the DIs that you really want to be a Marine, you’ll make it through. Again, this is not a comment to put you down, I’m just stating my opinion on what you went through. If you take any offense to this, then that’s your problem.

    • Madmike19682003

      like you i was a fatbody recruit and like you i toughed it out and graduated,did 4 years in the grunts and got out with a honorable. that being said i got way more out of college judo than i got out of the moron corps and yeah life is hard but i’ve worked civilian jobs that physically were way tougher than parris island. the training is to make you a slave not a warrior and that is one of my primary complaints on this site.

  • SSgt2001

    Sad sad day.  The softness of this makes my tempur-pedic seem lame.  Boo hoo….what is this website? I’m sorry but damn, this is disheartening. My DIs this my DIs that. I got hit, I was abused, I was tortured ohhhhh Marine boot camp was hard ok ok I got it. Life is tough.  Life is challenging and can get at you physically, mentally and emotionally. A website dedicated to the tears, misfortunes, bitches, complaints, and moans of what the older generation have come to categorize as “lesser beings”. Look, I don’t want to be rude, offensive, or inconsiderate I really don’t but seriously? We got so called MEN who spent about an hour in the Marine Corps cursing the organization in which they failed to live up to. Happy to be out? Excited about a DD-214 and cursing the name of one of the last bastion’s of the warrior ideology? What we have here is a collection naysayers, whiners, finger pointers, and above all, a group who refuses to take responsibility. This website will hate this post.  I understand why. I whole-heartedly, but not sympathetically do. Moral:  GROW UP! If you didn’t have what it took to make it into the Marines or make it as a Marine so be it.  Move on and let it go.  Choosing to cry wolf about the shit isn’t going to do diddly squat.  There is the Few, The Proud, The Marines and then there is this site, The Few, The Proud, The Pathetic…but I digress. All venting aside, the Marines are not for the weak.  If you fall into that category, don’t worry oh well it is what it is. High fives all around and good luck to you all in your future endeavors.  Semper Fidelis

    • okinawa inmate

      ok Ssgt let me just say that the marine corps is not hard..and people like me who cant wait to get out of this disorganization are not weak…there are many reason why I want out..many..im not gonna go into..but when it all comes down to it, this disorganization is ran by dishonorable and selfish men..for instance my gunny cheated on his wife ( who by the way has 3 kids ) with a Cpl from the unit…everyone knows it..this man is a leader of marines and is suppose to set the example..what example did he set? hes a husband and father..did he get in trouble? of course not because the people who witnessed it were sent to other units, except me, who was threatened if i spoke out..

      so many shady and dishonorable things have happened with my unit.. in fact so many bad things happened that our base commander lit a fire under my CO’s ass for allowing some things to happen..its honestly waaay too much to say.. just a few things summed up, I was threatened on 3 occasions..all the threats pertained to my wife..this came from Sgts and above..the last thing said to me was ” I know your weakness (refferring to my wife) and I will strike it ” that was said by a sgt over me..my opinions of marines are low..i dont see hero’s or honorable me.. i see men with no morale or intergrity..ive had my superiors tell me that the marine corps is more important than their family..im sorry but no matter who the hell you are, nothing is more important than family..My Sgt said that i need to sacrifice to see what its like to be an NCO..the sacrifice was my wife.. He said i needed to stop talking to her in my room or any time on liberty..he didnt give me a time line on how long i was suppose to go without talking to her but of course i turned down his offer..His offer was sacrifice my rank and be a lance again by talking to my wife or keep my rank but not talk to her.. how is that good leadership? Oh, I dont live with my wife bc im stuck on oki away from her so talking to her is all i have..ive known nothing but bad men..ive met nothings but thieves and liars..im ashamed to wear this uniform..especially when america believes the lies on the tv and the movies about how we’re all bad asses..how am i a bad ass marine? i dont know more than the average civilian does on war or weapons..ive only shot my gun on the range twice!!!

      honestly Ssgt i could go on all day about the crap ive seen and been through but its too much..all i can say is it saddens me that the corps wasnt what i was told it would be..there was no brotherhood, no nothing..actually i was taught the opposite of brotherhood..i was taught to step on anyone to get ahead..im glad you like the corps but as for me im gonna take my DD-214 with tears of joy streamin down my face and take me and my wife far away..im gonna us my GI bill and make something of myself..i cant ever get back those 4 years that were stolen from be but i can rise above what they stole and live out my life happily, WITH MY WIFE by my side

    • Madmike19682003

      last bastion of the warrior ideology? what is that …a sick joke? what kind of elite unite knowingly hires criminals,crazies and people with i.q.’s lower than forrest gump’s? i was in the grunts and it felt my primary mos was janitor or inspection stander. almost all the time was spent helping one useless lifer kiss another useless lifer’s ass. bye the way i’ve met marines and i’ve met special forces and any jarhead who thinks marines outside of force recon are special forces calibre is dumber than dirt.

    • Anonymous

      It is indeed a sad sad day.  Today I get to read a post from a SSgt who, when faced with several blatant violations of Marine Corps Orders, and the UCMJ sides against the only person in the entire equation who had the intestinal fortitude and moral courage to stand up against it, raise the bullshit flag high in the air, and do something about it.

      Frankly, if the Marine Corps valued its leadership traits and leadership principles, and it’s damned “honor courage commitment” at all, the Battalion Commander would’ve had this kids D.I.s court-martialed and put on the fast track out of the marine corps, and this kid would’ve had “automatic promotion to LCpl” written in his paperwork for being the only one with the integrity to say something about it.

      Judging by your post, you should also be reduced for showing such blatant disregard for the rules and regulations governing the armed forces of the United States of America.  But you won’t be, simply because you defended the marine corps, and the corps will go to great lengths to not let any E-6 or above get into trouble.  You see it’s not him failing to live up to the marine corps, it’s the corps failing to live up to what it protests to be.  So have fun in your last bastion of hope for the bottom 2% of Americans, I’ll chose something more honorable, like being a civilian.

      Safety and Peace

      • Madmike19682003

        if abuse makes people tough than i guess teenage girls who have been raped should be like navy seals. abuse does not toughen you up..realistic training does.

  • SSgt2001

    Sad sad day.  The softness of this makes my tempur-pedic seem lame.  Boo hoo….what is this website? I’m sorry but damn, this is disheartening. My DIs this my DIs that. I got hit, I was abused, I was tortured ohhhhh Marine boot camp was hard ok ok I got it. Life is tough.  Life is challenging and can get at you physically, mentally and emotionally. A website dedicated to the tears, misfortunes, bitches, complaints, and moans of what the older generation have come to categorize as “lesser beings”. Look, I don’t want to be rude, offensive, or inconsiderate I really don’t but seriously? We got so called MEN who spent about an hour in the Marine Corps cursing the organization in which they failed to live up to. Happy to be out? Excited about a DD-214 and cursing the name of one of the last bastion’s of the warrior ideology? What we have here is a collection naysayers, whiners, finger pointers, and above all, a group who refuses to take responsibility. This website will hate this post.  I understand why. I whole-heartedly, but not sympathetically do. Moral:  GROW UP! If you didn’t have what it took to make it into the Marines or make it as a Marine so be it.  Move on and let it go.  Choosing to cry wolf about the shit isn’t going to do diddly squat.  There is the Few, The Proud, The Marines and then there is this site, The Few, The Proud, The Pathetic…but I digress. All venting aside, the Marines are not for the weak.  If you fall into that category, don’t worry oh well it is what it is. High fives all around and good luck to you all in your future endeavors.  Semper Fidelis

    • okinawa inmate

      ok Ssgt let me just say that the marine corps is not hard..and people like me who cant wait to get out of this disorganization are not weak…there are many reason why I want out..many..im not gonna go into..but when it all comes down to it, this disorganization is ran by dishonorable and selfish men..for instance my gunny cheated on his wife ( who by the way has 3 kids ) with a Cpl from the unit…everyone knows it..this man is a leader of marines and is suppose to set the example..what example did he set? hes a husband and father..did he get in trouble? of course not because the people who witnessed it were sent to other units, except me, who was threatened if i spoke out..

      so many shady and dishonorable things have happened with my unit.. in fact so many bad things happened that our base commander lit a fire under my CO’s ass for allowing some things to happen..its honestly waaay too much to say.. just a few things summed up, I was threatened on 3 occasions..all the threats pertained to my wife..this came from Sgts and above..the last thing said to me was ” I know your weakness (refferring to my wife) and I will strike it ” that was said by a sgt over me..my opinions of marines are low..i dont see hero’s or honorable me.. i see men with no morale or intergrity..ive had my superiors tell me that the marine corps is more important than their family..im sorry but no matter who the hell you are, nothing is more important than family..My Sgt said that i need to sacrifice to see what its like to be an NCO..the sacrifice was my wife.. He said i needed to stop talking to her in my room or any time on liberty..he didnt give me a time line on how long i was suppose to go without talking to her but of course i turned down his offer..His offer was sacrifice my rank and be a lance again by talking to my wife or keep my rank but not talk to her.. how is that good leadership? Oh, I dont live with my wife bc im stuck on oki away from her so talking to her is all i have..ive known nothing but bad men..ive met nothings but thieves and liars..im ashamed to wear this uniform..especially when america believes the lies on the tv and the movies about how we’re all bad asses..how am i a bad ass marine? i dont know more than the average civilian does on war or weapons..ive only shot my gun on the range twice!!!

      honestly Ssgt i could go on all day about the crap ive seen and been through but its too much..all i can say is it saddens me that the corps wasnt what i was told it would be..there was no brotherhood, no nothing..actually i was taught the opposite of brotherhood..i was taught to step on anyone to get ahead..im glad you like the corps but as for me im gonna take my DD-214 with tears of joy streamin down my face and take me and my wife far away..im gonna us my GI bill and make something of myself..i cant ever get back those 4 years that were stolen from be but i can rise above what they stole and live out my life happily, WITH MY WIFE by my side

    • Madmike19682003

      last bastion of the warrior ideology? what is that …a sick joke? what kind of elite unite knowingly hires criminals,crazies and people with i.q.’s lower than forrest gump’s? i was in the grunts and it felt my primary mos was janitor or inspection stander. almost all the time was spent helping one useless lifer kiss another useless lifer’s ass. bye the way i’ve met marines and i’ve met special forces and any jarhead who thinks marines outside of force recon are special forces calibre is dumber than dirt.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      It is indeed a sad sad day.  Today I get to read a post from a SSgt who, when faced with several blatant violations of Marine Corps Orders, and the UCMJ sides against the only person in the entire equation who had the intestinal fortitude and moral courage to stand up against it, raise the bullshit flag high in the air, and do something about it.

      Frankly, if the Marine Corps valued its leadership traits and leadership principles, and it’s damned “honor courage commitment” at all, the Battalion Commander would’ve had this kids D.I.s court-martialed and put on the fast track out of the marine corps, and this kid would’ve had “automatic promotion to LCpl” written in his paperwork for being the only one with the integrity to say something about it.

      Judging by your post, you should also be reduced for showing such blatant disregard for the rules and regulations governing the armed forces of the United States of America.  But you won’t be, simply because you defended the marine corps, and the corps will go to great lengths to not let any E-6 or above get into trouble.  You see it’s not him failing to live up to the marine corps, it’s the corps failing to live up to what it protests to be.  So have fun in your last bastion of hope for the bottom 2% of Americans, I’ll chose something more honorable, like being a civilian.

      Safety and Peace

  • terminalE3martinez

    Pussy couldn’t make it through bootcamp lol. Grow up kid and quit bitching abouti. Its marine corp bootcamp not army or air force or none of that shit.

    • Madmike19682003

      i’ve served with a lotta soldiers i’d rather have backing me up in combat than a lotta marines i served with.

  • terminalE3martinez

    Pussy couldn’t make it through bootcamp lol. Grow up kid and quit bitching abouti. Its marine corp bootcamp not army or air force or none of that shit.

    • Madmike19682003

      i’ve served with a lotta soldiers i’d rather have backing me up in combat than a lotta marines i served with.

  • OIFUTwice

    Well… I am sorry that those things happened to you and the other recruits. It is not very uncommon. Same kind of things happened to me in boot camp. I honestly expected it, and it made me tougher.  I wouldn’t expect any less. Quite frankly, I’m glad that boot camp is physically and mentally challenging.  So as far as you not making it through boot camp because of these things… I think that is pretty lame.  However, don’t beat yourself up too bad. It doesn’t get that much better when you leave boot camp. That is where I found the problem. I thought after all the bad shit that happens in recruit training, you become a Marine.  I thought that the hardships endured made you a brother.  I was wrong.  You get to the fleet, and you are a boot, and if you’re a grunt, being a boot is FAR worse than boot camp.  So yes, I will even agree with the motard who is calling you weak for not making it through.  However, I don’t blame you one bit.  I did 4 years and gtfo, but it had nothing to do with boot camp. In fact, completing boot camp is probably one of the two things I was actually proud of in the Marine Corps.

  • OIFUTwice

    Well… I am sorry that those things happened to you and the other recruits. It is not very uncommon. Same kind of things happened to me in boot camp. I honestly expected it, and it made me tougher.  I wouldn’t expect any less. Quite frankly, I’m glad that boot camp is physically and mentally challenging.  So as far as you not making it through boot camp because of these things… I think that is pretty lame.  However, don’t beat yourself up too bad. It doesn’t get that much better when you leave boot camp. That is where I found the problem. I thought after all the bad shit that happens in recruit training, you become a Marine.  I thought that the hardships endured made you a brother.  I was wrong.  You get to the fleet, and you are a boot, and if you’re a grunt, being a boot is FAR worse than boot camp.  So yes, I will even agree with the motard who is calling you weak for not making it through.  However, I don’t blame you one bit.  I did 4 years and gtfo, but it had nothing to do with boot camp. In fact, completing boot camp is probably one of the two things I was actually proud of in the Marine Corps.

  • Asdf

    This is why there is Marine Corps boot camp….to weed out pussy like this. Jesus imagine he was being shot at. What a weak COWARD. I hope your father isn’t around to see what a spineless twerp his son is.

    • Madmike19682003

      i don’t have a problem so much with di’s abusing recruits as long as the recruits get to fight back and talk to the di’s the way they talk to the recruits. in fact i’d make it mandatory for recruits to fight back. you get njp’d for taking it like a bitch but you’d get a reward for fighting back. hell i’d hand out medals for seriously hurting a di or beating one of them half to death. who would you rather have defending this country a coward whose afraid of the di’s or a warrior who beats a abusive di’s bitch ass unconscious? show me a bully i’ll show you a coward.

      • Madmike19682003

        first off most di’s are pogues and second how much intense training do you think they get? days?weeks?months? what if a civilian had several years? sure most recruits are just teenagers while a di is gonna be in his mid twenties at least but you never know.

    • Anonymous

      My ‘father’, the sperm donor hasn’t been around since I was 6 years old.  So I truly doubt that he gives a damn either way.  Personally, I know I am more of a man than he will ever be and most likely more than you will ever be.  Afterall, I’m still a MAN, and you are a BRAINWASHED MACHINE who cannot function without someone mapping out your every move.  Just make sure you keep connecting the dots…and don’t color outside of the lines.

      • Petersilva71

        No wonder you are such a pussy. You didn’t have your dad around to teach you how to be a man. But mommy was sure there to keep your little vagina clean. You are a disgrace. I just hope that your future children don’t find out what a coward their father was.

      • lcpl underground

        lol even your dad wouldnt take you 

    • DerkaDerp

       If the Marine Corps is so awesome and you love it so much, then why did you join the Army?

      Take your time “soldier.”  It’s a difficult question.

  • Asdf

    This is why there is Marine Corps boot camp….to weed out pussy like this. Jesus imagine he was being shot at. What a weak COWARD. I hope your father isn’t around to see what a spineless twerp his son is.

    • Madmike19682003

      i don’t have a problem so much with di’s abusing recruits as long as the recruits get to fight back and talk to the di’s the way they talk to the recruits. in fact i’d make it mandatory for recruits to fight back. you get njp’d for taking it like a bitch but you’d get a reward for fighting back. hell i’d hand out medals for seriously hurting a di or beating one of them half to death. who would you rather have defending this country a coward whose afraid of the di’s or a warrior who beats a abusive di’s bitch ass unconscious? show me a bully i’ll show you a coward.

    • ihateDIs89

      My ‘father’, the sperm donor hasn’t been around since I was 6 years old.  So I truly doubt that he gives a damn either way.  Personally, I know I am more of a man than he will ever be and most likely more than you will ever be.  Afterall, I’m still a MAN, and you are a BRAINWASHED MACHINE who cannot function without someone mapping out your every move.  Just make sure you keep connecting the dots…and don’t color outside of the lines.

  • Rob

    holy fuck are you fucking kidding me. Just because your too much of a pusssy and you cant deal with what it takes to be a fuckin marine, you aint gotta bad mouth my fuckin corp. yea bootcamp is supposed to be hard, your supposed to hate every fucking minue of your da, get hit and beat and feel like shit. Its part of the process you lame ass faggot. grow a pair of balls. what happens in boot stays in fuckin boot. fuck you you fucking pussy ass fuck

  • Soldier

    dear dumbass, as a soldier in the US army, I must say I respect the fuck out of the marines. The ones who know what they are getting into, and continue on. I think you could have joined the coast guard and still have been washed out. Marine boot is another animal. And you obviously did not do your due diligence. Us soldiers don’t appreciate your BS about how much better we are. To understand the different branches, is to be educated. If you feel you would have been better in the army you should have made that move. But considering how quick you are to rip on the people who tried to turn you into a MARINE, we would not want you either. 

    • Riedlos

      You have no idea what you are talking about. But the sad thing is that you think you do.

      • Asdf

        actually I do.

        • I agree with Riedlos.  In so few worlds you have demonstrated that you do not know what you are saying, but you think you do.  You have also demonstrated stupidity.  You think you are making sense, but everyone who reads what you have written begs to differ…  I actually went went through USMC bootcamp unlike you… Soldier.  You being a soldier, the bootcamp you experienced is nothing compared to Marine Corps boot camp, so stop trying to act a like you have an all knowing understanding of how Marine Bootcamp works.  Go back to watching documentaries… Soldier.  At least this kid had the balls to go Marine instead of soldier. And he had even bigger balls to call bullshit. You are not going to prove anything to anyone here…

        • KBig

          I agree with Riedlos.  In so few worlds you have demonstrated that you
          do not know what you are saying, but you think you do.  You have also
          demonstrated stupidity.  You think you are making sense, but everyone
          who reads what you have written begs to differ…  I actually went went
          through USMC bootcamp unlike you… Soldier.  You being a soldier, the
          bootcamp you experienced is nothing compared to Marine Corps boot camp,
          so stop trying to act a like you have an all knowing understanding of
          how Marine Bootcamp works.  Go back to watching documentaries…
          Soldier.  At least this kid had the balls to go Marine instead of
          soldier. And he had even bigger balls to call bullshit. You are not
          going to prove anything to anyone here…

        • PerfectScapegoat

          No. You don’t.

    • DerkaDerp

      Speaking as a marine who got out honorably and became a soldier, you sound like a marine pretending to be a soldier.  Never have I met a “soldier” so willing to kiss marine ass.

      • Anonymous

        DerkaDerp, I sent some info to the webmaster here on this site to forward to you.  The letter is nearly finished and I would greatly appreciate some feedback. 

  • Soldier

    dear dumbass, as a soldier in the US army, I must say I respect the fuck out of the marines. The ones who know what they are getting into, and continue on. I think you could have joined the coast guard and still have been washed out. Marine boot is another animal. And you obviously did not do your due diligence. Us soldiers don’t appreciate your BS about how much better we are. To understand the different branches, is to be educated. If you feel you would have been better in the army you should have made that move. But considering how quick you are to rip on the people who tried to turn you into a MARINE, we would not want you either. 

    • Riedlos

      You have no idea what you are talking about. But the sad thing is that you think you do.

      • Asdf

        actually I do.

        • KBig

          I agree with Riedlos.  In so few worlds you have demonstrated that you
          do not know what you are saying, but you think you do.  You have also
          demonstrated stupidity.  You think you are making sense, but everyone
          who reads what you have written begs to differ…  I actually went went
          through USMC bootcamp unlike you… Soldier.  You being a soldier, the
          bootcamp you experienced is nothing compared to Marine Corps boot camp,
          so stop trying to act a like you have an all knowing understanding of
          how Marine Bootcamp works.  Go back to watching documentaries…
          Soldier.  At least this kid had the balls to go Marine instead of
          soldier. And he had even bigger balls to call bullshit. You are not
          going to prove anything to anyone here…

        • PerfectScapegoat

          No. You don’t.

    • Idris

      Seriously no words for this

  • Madmike19682003

    learn to spell correctly before getting on this site. did you graduate from high school?

  • Larico125

    The reason the corps has sooo many problems now are because There are people who are joining THAT HAVE NO.BUSINESS enlisting in the first place! The Marine Corps isn’t a bad branch it’s just the people that are in it. GOODness It’s the Marine Corps, Fuck all that bullshit u seen in movies. n There’s really no point of complaining as long as you are mature enough to understand what you signed up for and what you got urself into. If anyone is reading this and considering joining the U.S Marines, Keep in mind that it ain’t some Joy ride where life is always fair. Man up or do something else with ur life , Also Do ur research! I hear and see tooo many ppl joining for the wrong reasons! Its kina ridiculous but the advertisements etc are attractive. Don’t join because of any movie you have seen, game you have played because i guarantee you that is not The Real Marine corps. You will have a rude awakening and be one of those guys who get upset and start bitching and complaining. No organization, businesss etc is Perfect. NONE! So keep that in mind also. Its the Marine Corps, Not Jrotc not AF, Navy or any other one of our outstanding branches. You will Love and Hate many days in the USMC, that’s a guarantee but lik i said many times before its the Marine Corps, and there are just certain things you have to accept. If u cant then Stay out. A lot of guys join and have No idea what they’re signing up for. This guy on here may have hated the marines BUT YOU ARE YOUR OWN PERSON. YOU AND THE GUY ON HERE You Both ARE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE, with different likesvand dislikes. HIS EXPERIENCE WILL BE DIFFERENT FROM URS. Urs Will be Different from his. NOT all Marines are bad people. Surebu have some dirtbag marines but atbthe end of the day they are still people, nobody is perfect and no military branch is perfect. In the USMC U have some good and bad and That’s just LIFE. They are called The Few, The Proud for a reason. The advertisements, commercials are justbto get people to join. I just hoped that theybwould be a bit more straight Forward with people. These kids HAVE no Idea. Some can handle it, some can’t. The Marine Corps is not a bad branch. It’s just some of the people who are in it that make it look bad! If you allow low quality expect low quality. Semper Fi

  • Larico125

    n There’s really no point of complaining as long as you are mature enough to understand what you signed up for and what you got urself into. If anyone is reading this and considering joining the U.S Marines, Keep in mind that it ain’t some Joy ride where life is always fair. Man up or do something else with ur life , Also Do ur research! I hear and see tooo many ppl joining for the wrong reasons! Its kina ridiculous but the advertisements etc are attractive. Don’t join because of any movie you have seen, game you have played because i guarantee you that is not The Real Marine corps. You will have a rude awakening and be one of those guys who get upset and start bitching and complaining. No organization, businesss etc is Perfect. NONE! So keep that in mind also. Its the Marine Corps, Not Jrotc not AF, Navy or any other one of our outstanding branches. You will Love and Hate many days in the USMC, that’s a guarantee but lik i said many times before its the Marine Corps, and there are just certain things you have to accept. If u cant then Stay out. A lot of guys join and have No idea what they’re signing up for. This guy on here may have hated the marines BUT YOU ARE YOUR OWN PERSON. YOU AND THE GUY ON HERE You Both ARE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE, with different likesvand dislikes. HIS EXPERIENCE WILL BE DIFFERENT FROM URS. Urs Will be Different from his. NOT all Marines are bad people. Surebu have some dirtbag marines but atbthe end of the day they are still people, nobody is perfect and no military branch is perfect. In the USMC U have some good and bad and That’s just LIFE. They are called The Few, The Proud for a reason. The advertisements, commercials are justbto get people to join. I just hoped that theybwould be a bit more straight Forward with people. These kids HAVE no Idea. Some can handle it, some can’t. The Marine Corps is not a bad branch. It’s just some of the people who are in it that make it look bad! If you allow low quality expect low quality. Semper Fi

    • Anonymous

      I fully understand what you are saying.  I could not and would not accept anything LESS than what the Marine Corps ‘claimed’ to be.  They simply didn’t measure up or come anywhere near the honor, integrity, ethics or values that were described to me sitting in my recruiter’s office. Granted, I NEVER expected Disney World but then I didn’t expect the illegal things that occurred.  I didn’t mind the screaming, the stupid shit they made you do if you screwed up or some of the harassment.  I DO mind and will not tolerate the lying and the physical abuse.  People can call me a pussy, bitch or whatever ridiculous, childish ‘name’ they choose.  At least I had enough common sense and SELF-RESPECT not to put myself through this bullshit and I took a STAND for myself and for my fellow recruits.  It cost me a lot of harassment and other bullshit to report the abuse, but it was worth it and I wouldn’t change a thing except for raising my hand and swearing into an organization that cultivates and tolerates abusive people.  I could have ‘handled it’ all, even the physical torture but I am way too wise to be cognizant of wrong-doing and turn a blind eye to it.  I’m not dissing the Marine Corps or any person there.  They did that all too well for themselves.

      • Larico125

        I completly respect what you did and for standing up for yourself. Im for sure it took a lot of heart to do what you did and as a young adult i can only respect. Honestly i dont think ur a pussy or w/e. U were smart enough and had the courage to stand up for urself. Yea it aint a pretty branch but the leadership and standards are low. And for the guy ” soldier”marines are not better than soldiers ,soldiers are not better than marines. Thats retarded. No branch is better than the other because they are all built to do different things. Now if there were two marine corps than you can compare. I only hear little kids compare branches. But i Repect everyones opinion just like i would expect people to respect mine. So Hey i dnt kno what ur name is but good luck with any other career yu decide to join and hopefully some anxious kid will read this and understand what he/ she is signing up for.

        • 03xxtommy

          Once you get out the corps they donn’t giv a shit about you. My moms Bf was a marine.and fought in Beirut back when that war broke out. Now after his four years were up they asked him to come back but he was lik Fuck no.and got out. Now he’s all fucked up.with that PTSD, Going to the V.a weekly, has some weird sleeping disorder. Falls asleep unexpectedly because over there when he was fighting the guys were scared to go asleep so he had to be in certsin sleep phased basically by having his eyes closed but at the same time hearing what’s going on around you. Other than that these recruits need to.know pretty much nobody gives a fuck if you are vet or if you served. Nobody really cares. Society doesn’t care. People shouldnt koin for the image but join because they truely want to. Semper Fi, Semper Fist up your ass

  • Larico125

    n There’s really no point of complaining as long as you are mature enough to understand what you signed up for and what you got urself into. If anyone is reading this and considering joining the U.S Marines, Keep in mind that it ain’t some Joy ride where life is always fair. Man up or do something else with ur life , Also Do ur research! I hear and see tooo many ppl joining for the wrong reasons! Its kina ridiculous but the advertisements etc are attractive. Don’t join because of any movie you have seen, game you have played because i guarantee you that is not The Real Marine corps. You will have a rude awakening and be one of those guys who get upset and start bitching and complaining. No organization, businesss etc is Perfect. NONE! So keep that in mind also. Its the Marine Corps, Not Jrotc not AF, Navy or any other one of our outstanding branches. You will Love and Hate many days in the USMC, that’s a guarantee but lik i said many times before its the Marine Corps, and there are just certain things you have to accept. If u cant then Stay out. A lot of guys join and have No idea what they’re signing up for. This guy on here may have hated the marines BUT YOU ARE YOUR OWN PERSON. YOU AND THE GUY ON HERE You Both ARE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE, with different likesvand dislikes. HIS EXPERIENCE WILL BE DIFFERENT FROM URS. Urs Will be Different from his. NOT all Marines are bad people. Surebu have some dirtbag marines but atbthe end of the day they are still people, nobody is perfect and no military branch is perfect. In the USMC U have some good and bad and That’s just LIFE. They are called The Few, The Proud for a reason. The advertisements, commercials are justbto get people to join. I just hoped that theybwould be a bit more straight Forward with people. These kids HAVE no Idea. Some can handle it, some can’t. The Marine Corps is not a bad branch. It’s just some of the people who are in it that make it look bad! If you allow low quality expect low quality. Semper Fi

    • ihateDIs89

      I fully understand what you are saying.  I could not and would not accept anything LESS than what the Marine Corps ‘claimed’ to be.  They simply didn’t measure up or come anywhere near the honor, integrity, ethics or values that were described to me sitting in my recruiter’s office. Granted, I NEVER expected Disney World but then I didn’t expect the illegal things that occurred.  I didn’t mind the screaming, the stupid shit they made you do if you screwed up or some of the harassment.  I DO mind and will not tolerate the lying and the physical abuse.  People can call me a pussy, bitch or whatever ridiculous, childish ‘name’ they choose.  At least I had enough common sense and SELF-RESPECT not to put myself through this bullshit and I took a STAND for myself and for my fellow recruits.  It cost me a lot of harassment and other bullshit to report the abuse, but it was worth it and I wouldn’t change a thing except for raising my hand and swearing into an organization that cultivates and tolerates abusive people.  I could have ‘handled it’ all, even the physical torture but I am way too wise to be cognizant of wrong-doing and turn a blind eye to it.  I’m not dissing the Marine Corps or any person there.  They did that all too well for themselves.

      • Larico125

        I completly respect what you did and for standing up for yourself. Im for sure it took a lot of heart to do what you did and as a young adult i can only respect. Honestly i dont think ur a pussy or w/e. U were smart enough and had the courage to stand up for urself. Yea it aint a pretty branch but the leadership and standards are low. And for the guy ” soldier”marines are not better than soldiers ,soldiers are not better than marines. Thats retarded. No branch is better than the other because they are all built to do different things. Now if there were two marine corps than you can compare. I only hear little kids compare branches. But i Repect everyones opinion just like i would expect people to respect mine. So Hey i dnt kno what ur name is but good luck with any other career yu decide to join and hopefully some anxious kid will read this and understand what he/ she is signing up for.

        • 03xxtommy

          Once you get out the corps they donn’t giv a shit about you. My moms Bf was a marine.and fought in Beirut back when that war broke out. Now after his four years were up they asked him to come back but he was lik Fuck no.and got out. Now he’s all fucked up.with that PTSD, Going to the V.a weekly, has some weird sleeping disorder. Falls asleep unexpectedly because over there when he was fighting the guys were scared to go asleep so he had to be in certsin sleep phased basically by having his eyes closed but at the same time hearing what’s going on around you. Other than that these recruits need to.know pretty much nobody gives a fuck if you are vet or if you served. Nobody really cares. Society doesn’t care. People shouldnt koin for the image but join because they truely want to. Semper Fi, Semper Fist up your ass

  • Anonymous

    I am not letting the Corps get by with what they did to me nor what they did to my fellow recruits.  I now have a congressman onboard and he is NOT a happy camper about this.  More to come.  Stay tuned.

    • Madmike19682003

      remember what i told you about getting the congressman to help upgrade your discharge or reenlistment code.

      • Anonymous

        Absolutely.  A recruiter with the Nat’l Guard is truly trying to help as well.  I am having a meeting with him tomorrow.  I met him prior to going to PI and he tried to talk me into the Guard.  Wish I had listened to him now.  But that’s hindsight and a well-learned lesson.

        I went to my primary care doctor yesterday and told him what occurred and that after a 15 minute session with a Navy psychiatrist I was ‘diagnosed’ with ‘anxiety’.  My doc nearly fell out of his chair.  He immediately wrote a letter to rebutt that saying he has been my physician for over 6 years and that I do NOT suffer from anxiety NOR have I ever suffered from anxiety.  Also, I’ve never been prescribed medication for it either.  He said it was absurd to think that anyone could make such a ‘diagnosis’ of this magnitude with 15 minutes.

        I am currently writing a detailed paper about each occurrence that I experienced, witnessed or was told about.

        My mom, needless to say is foaming at the mouth and ready to rearrange somebody’s ass.  LOL.  She’s something else.  I am honored and proud to have her for a mom.  As a matter of fact, it would behoove anyone to have her on their side. She is a TRUE warrior and has been known to tell the ‘powers that be’ just where they can stick something…lol.  She hasn’t lost yet and she has fought the state of Mississippi and the U.S. Army at the Pentagon for my father and WON.  There are other monumental feats she has accomplished alone as well.  She has a drawer full of bullshit flags.  LOL.

        I meet with the congressman’s assistant, whom I have also spoken with, next week. I will most certainly keep everyone updated.  I am also considering hiring an attorney.  I want to get the undershirt that was ripped from my body (which is probably history) and the 7 page document I wrote about the incidents of abuse. 

        Thanks to everyone for the encouragement and support.  I really mean that.

        • Madmike19682003

          not trying to disrespect all active duty military physicians but the most screwed up unprofessional doctors i have ever met were either career lifers or retired career lifers for the armed forces. if you brought military professionalism to private practice you’d be sued for malpractice. a recent pentagon study even confirmed what to me is just common sense for any veteran…that is soldiers wounded in combat are 3 times more likely to die if treated by a active duty doctor than if treated by a national guard or reserve doctor.

    • Anonymous

      YES!!! Please keep us posted as this develops.  I can’t wait to hear it.

  • ihateDIs89

    I am not letting the Corps get by with what they did to me nor what they did to my fellow recruits.  I now have a congressman onboard and he is NOT a happy camper about this.  More to come.  Stay tuned.

    • Madmike19682003

      remember what i told you about getting the congressman to help upgrade your discharge or reenlistment code.

      • ihateDIs89

        Absolutely.  A recruiter with the Nat’l Guard is truly trying to help as well.  I am having a meeting with him tomorrow.  I met him prior to going to PI and he tried to talk me into the Guard.  Wish I had listened to him now.  But that’s hindsight and a well-learned lesson.

        I went to my primary care doctor yesterday and told him what occurred and that after a 15 minute session with a Navy psychiatrist I was ‘diagnosed’ with ‘anxiety’.  My doc nearly fell out of his chair.  He immediately wrote a letter to rebutt that saying he has been my physician for over 6 years and that I do NOT suffer from anxiety NOR have I ever suffered from anxiety.  Also, I’ve never been prescribed medication for it either.  He said it was absurd to think that anyone could make such a ‘diagnosis’ of this magnitude with 15 minutes.

        I am currently writing a detailed paper about each occurrence that I experienced, witnessed or was told about.

        My mom, needless to say is foaming at the mouth and ready to rearrange somebody’s ass.  LOL.  She’s something else.  I am honored and proud to have her for a mom.  As a matter of fact, it would behoove anyone to have her on their side. She is a TRUE warrior and has been known to tell the ‘powers that be’ just where they can stick something…lol.  She hasn’t lost yet and she has fought the state of Mississippi and the U.S. Army at the Pentagon for my father and WON.  There are other monumental feats she has accomplished alone as well.  She has a drawer full of bullshit flags.  LOL.

        I meet with the congressman’s assistant, whom I have also spoken with, next week. I will most certainly keep everyone updated.  I am also considering hiring an attorney.  I want to get the undershirt that was ripped from my body (which is probably history) and the 7 page document I wrote about the incidents of abuse. 

        Thanks to everyone for the encouragement and support.  I really mean that.

        • Madmike19682003

          not trying to disrespect all active duty military physicians but the most screwed up unprofessional doctors i have ever met were either career lifers or retired career lifers for the armed forces. if you brought military professionalism to private practice you’d be sued for malpractice. a recent pentagon study even confirmed what to me is just common sense for any veteran…that is soldiers wounded in combat are 3 times more likely to die if treated by a active duty doctor than if treated by a national guard or reserve doctor.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      YES!!! Please keep us posted as this develops.  I can’t wait to hear it.

  • Johndoe

    Your a pussy, faggot

    • Anonymous

      Well Johndoe, I appreciate your 15 minutes analysis about as much as I did the Navy psychiatrist.  And your use of the English language is also impressive.

      Have a nice day.

  • Johndoe

    Your a pussy, faggot

    • ihateDIs89

      Well Johndoe, I appreciate your 15 minutes analysis about as much as I did the Navy psychiatrist.  And your use of the English language is also impressive.

      Have a nice day.

  • THATSHITSCRAZY

    Violence in the Marine Corps…. who would have thought?
     

  • THATSHITSCRAZY

    Violence in the Marine Corps…. who would have thought?
     

  • LCPL Ramey

    The only words I can find to say about this is that boot camp is not the marine corps. It’s fucking boot camp. If you would have got done with the 13 weeks you would have realized that. All the shit that happens is supposed to be unnecessary and rough so everything you do after that seems way more manageable and calm. Some of those people that you left behind either know or will know that soon enough and you won’t. End of story.

    • I like how you somehow know how others are going to feel about something without ever have met them or know anything about them.  How many of those guys are going to wish they never joined in two years? I can only speculate.

  • LCPL Ramey

    The only words I can find to say about this is that boot camp is not the marine corps. It’s fucking boot camp. If you would have got done with the 13 weeks you would have realized that. All the shit that happens is supposed to be unnecessary and rough so everything you do after that seems way more manageable and calm. Some of those people that you left behind either know or will know that soon enough and you won’t. End of story.

    • S.

      I like how you somehow know how others are going to feel about something without ever have met them or know anything about them.  How many of those guys are going to wish they never joined in two years? I can only speculate.

  • lcpl underground

    you blame the corps for your trouble when maybe if you had balls you could have gone thru it fuck dude ou are just a bitch plain and simple instead of accepting that you couldnt cut it you blame the marine corps lol loser 

    • Anonymous

      On the contrary lcpl underground, I had the honor, courage, moral values, ethics and BALLS to stand up for myself and others for against the lies and abuse and the wrong.  You obviously haven’t stood up for anything.  So what does that make you?

      • Oohrah!

        Face it kid, you wussed out.

  • lcpl underground

    you blame the corps for your trouble when maybe if you had balls you could have gone thru it fuck dude ou are just a bitch plain and simple instead of accepting that you couldnt cut it you blame the marine corps lol loser 

    • ihateDIs89

      On the contrary lcpl underground, I had the honor, courage, moral values, ethics and BALLS to stand up for myself and others for against the lies and abuse and the wrong.  You obviously haven’t stood up for anything.  So what does that make you?

  • Matt Durocher

    Should of joined the army, bitch. Faggots like you cryin to momma is why we have a kinder gentler marine Corp.

    • DerkaDerp

      You talk like a boot.  Now spit the dick out and try again.  Nice Facebook pic by the way, #14.

    • Oohrah!

      Spot on.

    • Oohrah!

      Ihatedi’s89 prob wants Iran to get nuclear weapons. He can’t admit he was too weak and coddeled by his obese mom to make it through boot camp. Exactly what’s wrong with America today. Noone owns up to their short comings. And I’m sure that congressman doesn’t give a shit about some kid who was too soft to make it through basic training. Truly pathetic.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, because everybody who has realized that the marine corps is about as fucked up as a football bat wants Iran to get nuclear weapons… Did you even bother thinking before you typed that or did you just post the most ridiculous thing that crossed your mind at that exact moment?

        http://www.usmcsolutions.com/archives/603
        But you were right about one part, No one wants to own up to their shortcomings.  You just directed the comment at the wrong people.

        Safety and Peace

        • Oohrah!

          The marine corps is necessary whether you want to think so or not. You guys are bitching about boot camp and dirty spoons at the chow hall when there are thousands of marines still in Afghanistan. Unbelievable.

          • Madmike19682003

            no. the army,air force and navy are indispensable the marines are a needless luxury. the army and air force have proven over and over again they can easily outperform marine corps units even at our own game…amphibious assaults and low intensity conflict. i never complained about bad chowm hall food. i mean come on it’s mass produced food so of couse it’s gonna suck. i complain about the dumb shit that should not exist or can easily be fixed. military abuse and hazing,degrading initiations,field days,spit and polish,the half assed training(marine corps bootcamp,mct and soi were a few weeks of intense combat training shoved into a few months. i call bullshit on the corps obsession with recruiting and brainwashing stupid kids instead of recruiting and training men who join to defend america not some half assed gun club. fuck all motards.

          • Anonymous

            I’ve been to afghanistan.  You know what our guys over there are doing right now?  They’re playing Spades, wishing that they weren’t over there doing absolutely nothing, or they’re on post in full gear, wishing that they weren’t stuck on post guarding the base from an imaginary enemy.

            There’re thousands of them still over there because the Generals and other top brass don’t want to lose a large portion of their funding etc. so they’re going to continue to stress how vital our continued presence is there, while the average marine just sits on his thumb and wishes he wasn’t stuck there being useless.

            To say that the marine corps is necessary is a ludicrous statement, we have the Army on land, the Navy at sea, and the Air Force in the skies, so all of our bases are covered.  The marine corps is just an unnecessary redundancy.

          • Oohrah!

            The marines are fast responding, expeditionary, and self sustainable. Ever hear of a MAGTF? Last I checked no other branch possesses all those capabilities. Too easy. And as for the Marines in Afghanistan of course they don’t want to be there who would. But they are sacrificing way more than you guys and aren’t blogging about loud DI’s. Invisible enemy? Last I checked al Qaeda Is still around.

          • BrownNose

            Teach the army how to do it. Done. Stop being dumb, go away.

          • Oohrah!

            That’s your solution? Teach the army? So now the army will just go on meu’s and work with navy because we will magically teach them. Wow, you need to start reading or something man, you live in a fantasy land.

          • Anonymous

            It’s not magic, it’s called inter-service cooperation, it’s actually very similar to what we do with the armies of nations like Afghanistan, Iraq, Japan, and Thailand (to name a few) except it’s easier than dealing with those armies because in this instance all parties involved speak English!

          • Oohrah!

            Obviously you’ve never worked in a joint environment because if you did then you would know it’s a huge goat screw

          • Do not be afraid of plausible solutions. Integrating the Marine Corps into the Army is not at all impossible and will probably end up happening sometime in the future. It could in ten years, it could be in 100. It will happen eventually.

          • Oohrah!

            America loves the marine corps. That will never happen. America loves marines.

          • Anonymous

            The only Americans who love marines are the ones who don’t live near a marine base.  But go ahead and keep telling yourself that.

            None so blind as those who will not see.

          • Oohrah!

            Which is about 99 percent of America buddy.. Didn’t really think that one through did you

          • Anonymous

            See above.

          • DerkaDerp

            Having worked in numerous joint environments, I can say it’s the only time I’ve ever seen efficiency. The Army was professional. The Navy was professional. We marines stood around with our dicks in hand getting nothing done save weekly haircuts. Try again. What else has your marine “boyfriend” told you?

          • Oohrah!

            What was your rank and mos? you were not forward deployed obviously because the only people that care about haircuts when your deployed
            are pogues and sgtmajors

          • Anonymous

            I was forward deployed, and I tried not caring about haircuts, it worked for about 10 days until I got yelled at by 3 different NCO’s and SNCO’s for not having a haircut in country.

          • DerkaDerp

            You still have yet to prove to me that you’re not some boot’s girlfriend.

            I was a CPL and a cryptologic linguist.  I know you’re going to have to look that one up.  It’s a pretty big word, sweet-cheeks.

          • Anonymous

            Al Qaeda is still around?  Last I checked they haven’t been in the news for a few years now… The most they’ve been talked about in recent memory is when the Navy killed bin Laden.

            Speaking of which, when’s the last time a full MAGTF did anything?  I’ve only ever seen individual battalions being deployed, even the MEUs are generally only one Battalion and a few attachments.

          • Oohrah!

            You’re a clown. The marines deploy in MAGTF, they rotate 1 and 2 Mef in Afghanistan and Iraq, before the marines pulled out of Iraq. Meu’s are yes usually a batallion for their ground combat element but that doesn’t mean theyre useless. They are the quickest responding force. Look at when they helped Japan after the nuclear meltdown. Marines are doing great things gents, just because you guys had a bad nco doesn’t mean the marine corps is worthless, it means someone failed that nco somewhere along the way.

          • Proudvetran

            Fuckin a right brother.

      • DerkaDerp

        What a second…basic training?  You’re not really a marine are you?  I bet you’re some PFC’s girlfriend from high school.  He’s cheating on you, honey.

        • Anonymous

          DerkaDerp,

          Please accept mine and my son’s sincerest thanks and you know for what! ;))

          • DerkaDerp

            Anytime.  It was my pleasure.

      • Anonymous

        Ok it was getting to be too much to post in that tiny little space at the bottom.
        Anyways, you missed my point entirely.  The point is that the only Americans who like marines are the ones who’ve never been around them.  If the rest of America had to put up with marines the same way the cities around marine bases do, no one would have any complaints about the marine corps’ dissolution because marines are a bunch of assholes that no one wants to deal with.

      • Anonymous

        Oh my, my, my Oorah.

        First of all, my son and I have both spoken with the congressman.  My son has filed papers and the show if most definitely on the road.  As a matter of fact, his office called today to get a document signed and asked for it to be done TODAY. 

        I can assure you that I am quite familiar with our congressman and he doesn’t pussy-foot around about anything.  Right now, he and several others in D.C. are NOT happy campers with the USMC.  And tomorrow, no doubt the commandant of the USMC and the Secretary of the Navy are going to be more than unhappy campers.

        Obviously, you do NOT know my son or me.  If you did then you would never make the assinine comments above.  I alone, am a force to be reckonded with, let alone my son and me together. 

        My son is more of a man than you will ever be able to fathom.  He had the courage and honor to stand up, not only for himself, but for his fellow recruits.  When’s the last time you had the BALLS to take a stand ALONE? 

        Everyone at PI from his series commander down to his captain personally told me that my son was an impressive young man.  His captain went on to say that my son could easily take all the honors in his platoon.  So don’t hand me or him SHIT about being weak.  My son would leave you in tears and dust darling.

        I, personally have had 3 major spinal surgeries and I could and would stand toe-to-toe with you any day of the week.  I can assure you that you’d be the one crying to mommy.

        Tell you what, Oorah…give us a little bit of time.  Check back on this site periodically and let’s see who wins.  A wee bit of advice…go ahead and stock up on tissue for your tears of defeat because you are most assuredly going to need them sweetcheeks.

        Coddle my son?  Do I sound like the ‘coddling’ type to you Zippy?  I do love my son.  He is my only child but I would never let him curl up in a ball like a sniveling baby.  His ass would be in one state and his head in another by the time I got through with him. 

        By the way, the only short-coming was this overzealous drill instructor who has trying to compensate for his own short-comings by violating regulations that your ‘honorable’ Corps touts.

      • Proudvetran

        Can I gat an AMEN!

    • Madmike19682003

      during ww2 marine corps boot camp fluctuated in length between 4 and 8 weeks. yes that is true check it out. in vietnam it was 8 weeks plus a 2 week mct infantry school. people always bitch about how the corps has gotten soft or it was tougher in my day but it’s all a load of bs. it wasn’t any better.

    • Anonymous

      Matt Durocher,

      I am ihateDIs89’s mother.

      It people like you that make my life worthwhile and so much fun.  Guess I’m gonna have to take your punk ass to the woodshed just like I’ve done to a few other masochistic people on this site as well as elsewhere.

      First of all, my son is a far cry from being a bitch.  I’m the bitch.  Got that?  Well Ms. Bitch to you.

      You have an all too common misconception that anyone who isn’t a Marine isn’t big and bad.  You need to be re-educated, re-wired or whatever fits the bill, cutie pie.  You couldn’t be more wrong.

      I have faced and survived death many times and in more ways than you would ever be able to understand. And I guarantee you that you are no better, intelligent, stronger, bad-assed or deadlier than me on my worst day and I never did one day at Marine Corps bootcamp.  Don’t believe me?  Contact the webmaster of this site and hit me up.  I’m not talking getting violent, I’m talking rock solid PROOF of everything I have ever posted on this site about me or my son. 

      My son, nor I am dissing the entire Marine Corp, only the dishonorable and blatant violations of YOUR Corps by drill instructors or whoever else wears those pretty dress blues.

      One kid is in Beaufort Naval Hospital as I type this, with PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE because some hard-assed moron drill instructor, who may have been trying to compensate for his short dick and narrow mind, pushed this kid and another recruit down a stairwell.  His prognosis is not good.  The other recruit was early-released due do an unreparable injury to his thigh.  The muscle and tendons split and cannot be repaired. This young man who had dreams to become The Few, The Proud will spend the rest of his life limping around like an old man.  He is barely 18.  The brain-damaged recruit is being kept in the hospital for up to a year at which time he will be given an honorable discharge and sergeant’s pay for the rest of his life.  He is also 18 and cannot recall what people say to him 3 minutes afterwards.

      This is what you call training?  This is what you call honor? 

      Apparently, you need to check yourself before you wreck yourself buttercup.

      So, Gomer, tell me how this total disregard for human life was beneficial to the Corps for either of these young men?  They didn’t make it either.  Does that make them bitches and faggots too?  My son was attacked ferociously and without cause.  Even if there were ’cause’, that hardhat had no right to assault my son or anyone…period.  He broke the law.  My son did not.  These other recruits did nothing to deserve their fate. My son came close to serious irreparable injury because of this jerk of a DI. 

      Would it make you feel better if my son was left brain-damaged?  What if it werre YOUR son or daughter?  Would you even give a hot shit?

      My son had the amazing strength, courage and honor to stand up, not only for himself, but for his fellow recruits. It took BALLS the size of church bells to do that.

      One recruit in his platoon was made to sit in the middle of the squad bay after his rifle carrying handle fell off while training.  These recruits had only been there a week or less (minus the receiving week).  They are there to learn and to be taught by competent professional men.  The DI took the handle and affixed it on his hand like a brassknuckle and struck him severely in the back of the head.  WTF?

      Since you know so much, Einstein, the pray tell how this reprehensible abuse conducive to the training of young recruits to become defenders of our nation?   I’ll be waiting for your answer Scooter.

      • Anonymous

        By the way, you can only WISH you had a mother like me to stand by your side in the pits of hell.

  • Matt Durocher

    Should of joined the army, bitch. Faggots like you cryin to momma is why we have a kinder gentler marine Corp.

    • DerkaDerp

      You talk like a boot.  Now spit the dick out and try again.  Nice Facebook pic by the way, #14.

    • Oohrah!

      Spot on.

    • Oohrah!

      Ihatedi’s89 prob wants Iran to get nuclear weapons. He can’t admit he was too weak and coddeled by his obese mom to make it through boot camp. Exactly what’s wrong with America today. Noone owns up to their short comings. And I’m sure that congressman doesn’t give a shit about some kid who was too soft to make it through basic training. Truly pathetic.

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        Yes, because everybody who has realized that the marine corps is about as fucked up as a football bat wants Iran to get nuclear weapons… Did you even bother thinking before you typed that or did you just post the most ridiculous thing that crossed your mind at that exact moment?

        http://www.usmcsolutions.com/archives/603
        But you were right about one part, No one wants to own up to their shortcomings.  You just directed the comment at the wrong people.

        Safety and Peace

        • Oohrah!

          The marine corps is necessary whether you want to think so or not. You guys are bitching about boot camp and dirty spoons at the chow hall when there are thousands of marines still in Afghanistan. Unbelievable.

          • Madmike19682003

            no. the army,air force and navy are indispensable the marines are a needless luxury. the army and air force have proven over and over again they can easily outperform marine corps units even at our own game…amphibious assaults and low intensity conflict. i never complained about bad chowm hall food. i mean come on it’s mass produced food so of couse it’s gonna suck. i complain about the dumb shit that should not exist or can easily be fixed. military abuse and hazing,degrading initiations,field days,spit and polish,the half assed training(marine corps bootcamp,mct and soi were a few weeks of intense combat training shoved into a few months. i call bullshit on the corps obsession with recruiting and brainwashing stupid kids instead of recruiting and training men who join to defend america not some half assed gun club. fuck all motards.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            I’ve been to afghanistan.  You know what our guys over there are doing right now?  They’re playing Spades, wishing that they weren’t over there doing absolutely nothing, or they’re on post in full gear, wishing that they weren’t stuck on post guarding the base from an imaginary enemy.

            There’re thousands of them still over there because the Generals and other top brass don’t want to lose a large portion of their funding etc. so they’re going to continue to stress how vital our continued presence is there, while the average marine just sits on his thumb and wishes he wasn’t stuck there being useless.

            To say that the marine corps is necessary is a ludicrous statement, we have the Army on land, the Navy at sea, and the Air Force in the skies, so all of our bases are covered.  The marine corps is just an unnecessary redundancy.

          • Oohrah!

            The marines are fast responding, expeditionary, and self sustainable. Ever hear of a MAGTF? Last I checked no other branch possesses all those capabilities. Too easy. And as for the Marines in Afghanistan of course they don’t want to be there who would. But they are sacrificing way more than you guys and aren’t blogging about loud DI’s. Invisible enemy? Last I checked al Qaeda Is still around.

          • BrownNose

            Teach the army how to do it. Done. Stop being dumb, go away.

          • Oohrah!

            That’s your solution? Teach the army? So now the army will just go on meu’s and work with navy because we will magically teach them. Wow, you need to start reading or something man, you live in a fantasy land.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            It’s not magic, it’s called inter-service cooperation, it’s actually very similar to what we do with the armies of nations like Afghanistan, Iraq, Japan, and Thailand (to name a few) except it’s easier than dealing with those armies because in this instance all parties involved speak English!

          • Oohrah!

            Obviously you’ve never worked in a joint environment because if you did then you would know it’s a huge goat screw

          • S.

            Do not be afraid of plausible solutions. Integrating the Marine Corps into the Army is not at all impossible and will probably end up happening sometime in the future. It could in ten years, it could be in 100. It will happen eventually.

          • Oohrah!

            America loves the marine corps. That will never happen. America loves marines.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            The only Americans who love marines are the ones who don’t live near a marine base.  But go ahead and keep telling yourself that.

            None so blind as those who will not see.

          • Oohrah!

            Which is about 99 percent of America buddy.. Didn’t really think that one through did you

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            See above.

          • DerkaDerp

            Having worked in numerous joint environments, I can say it’s the only time I’ve ever seen efficiency. The Army was professional. The Navy was professional. We marines stood around with our dicks in hand getting nothing done save weekly haircuts. Try again. What else has your marine “boyfriend” told you?

          • Oohrah!

            What was your rank and mos? you were not forward deployed obviously because the only people that care about haircuts when your deployed
            are pogues and sgtmajors

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            I was forward deployed, and I tried not caring about haircuts, it worked for about 10 days until I got yelled at by 3 different NCO’s and SNCO’s for not having a haircut in country.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Al Qaeda is still around?  Last I checked they haven’t been in the news for a few years now… The most they’ve been talked about in recent memory is when the Navy killed bin Laden.

            Speaking of which, when’s the last time a full MAGTF did anything?  I’ve only ever seen individual battalions being deployed, even the MEUs are generally only one Battalion and a few attachments.

          • Oohrah!

            You’re a clown. The marines deploy in MAGTF, they rotate 1 and 2 Mef in Afghanistan and Iraq, before the marines pulled out of Iraq. Meu’s are yes usually a batallion for their ground combat element but that doesn’t mean theyre useless. They are the quickest responding force. Look at when they helped Japan after the nuclear meltdown. Marines are doing great things gents, just because you guys had a bad nco doesn’t mean the marine corps is worthless, it means someone failed that nco somewhere along the way.

          • Proudvetran

            Fuckin a right brother.

      • DerkaDerp

        What a second…basic training?  You’re not really a marine are you?  I bet you’re some PFC’s girlfriend from high school.  He’s cheating on you, honey.

        • swizzlestik

          DerkaDerp,

          Please accept mine and my son’s sincerest thanks and you know for what! ;))

          • DerkaDerp

            Anytime.  It was my pleasure.

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        Ok it was getting to be too much to post in that tiny little space at the bottom.
        Anyways, you missed my point entirely.  The point is that the only Americans who like marines are the ones who’ve never been around them.  If the rest of America had to put up with marines the same way the cities around marine bases do, no one would have any complaints about the marine corps’ dissolution because marines are a bunch of assholes that no one wants to deal with.

      • swizzlestik

        Oh my, my, my Oorah.

        First of all, my son and I have both spoken with the congressman.  My son has filed papers and the show is most definitely on the road.  As a matter of fact, his office called today to get a document signed and asked for it to be done TODAY. 

        I can assure you that I am quite familiar with our congressman and he doesn’t pussy-foot around about anything.  Right now, he and several others in D.C. are NOT happy campers with the USMC.  And tomorrow, no doubt the commandant of the USMC and the Secretary of the Navy are going to be more than unhappy campers.

        Obviously, you do NOT know my son or me.  If you did then you would never make the assinine comments above.  I alone, am a force to be reckoned with, let alone my son and me together. 

        My son is more of a man than you will ever be able to fathom.  He had the courage and honor to stand up, not only for himself, but for his fellow recruits.  When’s the last time you had the BALLS to take a stand ALONE? 

        Everyone at PI from his battalion commander down to his captain personally told me that my son was an impressive young man.  His captain went on to say that my son could easily take all the honors in his platoon.  So don’t hand me or him SHIT about being weak.  My son would leave you in tears and dust darling.

        I, personally have had 3 major spinal surgeries and I could and would stand toe-to-toe with you any day of the week.  I can assure you that you’d be the one crying to mommy.

        Tell you what, Oorah…give us a little bit of time.  Check back on this site periodically and let’s see who wins.  A wee bit of advice…go ahead and stock up on tissue for your tears of defeat because you are most assuredly going to need them sweetcheeks.

        Coddle my son?  Do I sound like the ‘coddling’ type to you Zippy?  I do love my son.  He is my only child but I would never let him curl up in a ball like a sniveling baby.  His ass would be in one state and his head in another by the time I got through with him. 

        By the way, the only short-coming was this overzealous drill instructor who has trying to compensate for his own short-comings by violating regulations that your ‘honorable’ Corps touts.

      • Proudvetran

        Can I gat an AMEN!

    • Madmike19682003

      during ww2 marine corps boot camp fluctuated in length between 4 and 8 weeks. yes that is true check it out. in vietnam it was 8 weeks plus a 2 week mct infantry school. people always bitch about how the corps has gotten soft or it was tougher in my day but it’s all a load of bs. it wasn’t any better.

    • swizzlestik

      Matt Durocher,

      I am ihateDIs89’s mother.

      It people like you that make my life worthwhile and so much fun.  Guess I’m gonna have to take your punk ass to the woodshed just like I’ve done to a few other masochistic people on this site as well as elsewhere.

      First of all, my son is a far cry from being a bitch.  I’m the bitch.  Got that?  Well Ms. Bitch to you.

      You have an all too common misconception that anyone who isn’t a Marine isn’t big and bad.  You need to be re-educated, re-wired or whatever fits the bill, cutie pie.  You couldn’t be more wrong.

      I have faced and survived death many times and in more ways than you would ever be able to understand. And I guarantee you that you are no better, intelligent, stronger, bad-assed or deadlier than me on my worst day and I never did one day at Marine Corps bootcamp.  Don’t believe me?  Contact the webmaster of this site and hit me up.  I’m not talking getting violent, I’m talking rock solid PROOF of everything I have ever posted on this site about me or my son. 

      My son, nor I am dissing the entire Marine Corp, only the dishonorable and blatant violations of YOUR Corps by drill instructors or whoever else wears those pretty dress blues.

      One kid is in Beaufort Naval Hospital as I type this, with PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE because some hard-assed moron drill instructor, who may have been trying to compensate for his short dick and narrow mind, pushed this kid and another recruit down a stairwell.  His prognosis is not good.  The other recruit was early-released due do an irreparable injury to his thigh.  The muscle and tendons split and cannot be repaired. This young man who had dreams to become The Few, The Proud will spend the rest of his life limping around like an old man.  He is barely 18.  The brain-damaged recruit is being kept in the hospital for up to a year at which time he will be given an honorable discharge and sergeant’s pay for the rest of his life.  He is also 18 and cannot recall what people say to him 3 minutes afterwards.

      This is what you call training?  This is what you call honor? 

      Apparently, you need to check yourself before you wreck yourself buttercup.

      So, Gomer, tell me how this total disregard for human life was beneficial to the Corps for either of these young men?  They didn’t make it either.  Does that make them bitches and faggots too?  My son was attacked ferociously and without cause.  Even if there were ’cause’, that hardhat had no right to assault my son or anyone…period.  He broke the law.  My son did not.  These other recruits did nothing to deserve their fate. My son came close to serious irreparable injury because of this jerk of a DI. 

      Would it make you feel better if my son was left brain-damaged?  What if it were YOUR son or daughter?  Would you even give a hot shit?

      My son had the amazing strength, courage and honor to stand up, not only for himself, but for his fellow recruits. It took BALLS the size of church bells to do that.

      One recruit in his platoon was made to sit in the middle of the squad bay after his rifle carrying handle fell off while training.  These recruits had only been there a week or less (minus the receiving week).  They are there to learn and to be taught by competent professional men.  The DI took the handle and affixed it on his hand like a brassknuckle and struck him severely in the back of the head.  WTF?

      Since you know so much, Einstein, the pray tell how this reprehensible abuse is conducive to the training of young recruits to become defenders of our nation?   I’ll be waiting for your answer Scooter.

      • swizzlestik

        By the way, you can only WISH you had a mother like me to stand by your side in the pits of hell.

  • Oohrah!

    What’s up with you guys telling this kid that it’s good he bitched out of bootcamp? If everyone took the easy way out like him we wouldn’t have a military anymore. Just a bunch of quitters laying on their couch while their mom reads to them. And you’re also telling him that a congress man and a natl guard recruiter care about his situation. You guys know as well as me why this kid went through is not unusual and those two people he thinks will help him couldn’t care less. The recruiter wants to enlist him so he can get more numbers and the congress man probably never heard about it because his aide decided it was too irrelevant to pass along.

    • Madmike19682003

      i don’t agree with just sitting down and quitting but i agree with refusing to allow himself to be abused. he should have pushed back when the di’s pushed him and complained about them spitting in his food. he should have rocked the boat and if a di fell overboard and lost his career well too bad. that’s what happens when bullies abuse teenagers afraid to fight back. marine corps boot camp is not built for men…it’s built for kids who have never been away from home and don’t know what being a man is really about. marine boot camp is not about training warriors..it’s about training people to be slaves to the chain of command. recruits should fight back but they should not quit.

    • DerkaDerp

      In boot camp, my fellow recruits and I were pushed to our limits and beyond.  We were never abused.  What ihateDIs89 went through was abuse.  There is a difference between good training and abuse.  You don’t seem to know the difference, and that’s pitiful.  I know the difference because another platoon in my series had DIs like the ones ihateDIs89 had.  They ended up being relieved from duty.

      As far has the congressman goes.  I heard with ihateDIs89 that he met in person with his congressman.  There’s a lie they tell you in the marine corps.  They say that no one who outranks you cares about your problems.  They say that they won’t believe you anyway.  That same kind of bullshit is spouted by abusers to the ones they abuse.  It keeps them in the relationship and prevents them from seeking help and retribution.  Seems to me that you just love playing Tina to the marine corps’ Ike.

  • Oohrah!

    What’s up with you guys telling this kid that it’s good he bitched out of bootcamp? If everyone took the easy way out like him we wouldn’t have a military anymore. Just a bunch of quitters laying on their couch while their mom reads to them. And you’re also telling him that a congress man and a natl guard recruiter care about his situation. You guys know as well as me why this kid went through is not unusual and those two people he thinks will help him couldn’t care less. The recruiter wants to enlist him so he can get more numbers and the congress man probably never heard about it because his aide decided it was too irrelevant to pass along.

    • Madmike19682003

      i don’t agree with just sitting down and quitting but i agree with refusing to allow himself to be abused. he should have pushed back when the di’s pushed him and complained about them spitting in his food. he should have rocked the boat and if a di fell overboard and lost his career well too bad. that’s what happens when bullies abuse teenagers afraid to fight back. marine corps boot camp is not built for men…it’s built for kids who have never been away from home and don’t know what being a man is really about. marine boot camp is not about training warriors..it’s about training people to be slaves to the chain of command. recruits should fight back but they should not quit.

    • DerkaDerp

      In boot camp, my fellow recruits and I were pushed to our limits and beyond.  We were never abused.  What ihateDIs89 went through was abuse.  There is a difference between good training and abuse.  You don’t seem to know the difference, and that’s pitiful.  I know the difference because another platoon in my series had DIs like the ones ihateDIs89 had.  They ended up being relieved from duty.

      As far has the congressman goes.  I heard with ihateDIs89 that he met in person with his congressman.  There’s a lie they tell you in the marine corps.  They say that no one who outranks you cares about your problems.  They say that they won’t believe you anyway.  That same kind of bullshit is spouted by abusers to the ones they abuse.  It keeps them in the relationship and prevents them from seeking help and retribution.  Seems to me that you just love playing Tina to the marine corps’ Ike.

  • Anonymous

    I could’t have said it better Ninja_Punch.  Thank you and ditto.

    • Anonymous

      Thank you swizzlestik, and good to hear from you again.  Judging by your other post today, I’m really hoping that this story will make it to the Marine Corps Times Newspaper.  It would be awesome to hear what the “official” take on this story is.

      • Anonymous

        My pleasure.  My son and I will keep all of you updated.  That’s a promise.  The feces will probably hit the proverbial oscillating blades next week for sure.

        My son is determined to stand his ground and I will be riding shotgun.

        The congressman’s office is also handling his DD293. That was the document they were desparately wanting.  They are handling it currently and we are simply waiting on a response.  They were extremely pleased and impressed with my son’s information about the ‘incidents’. 

        I have a feeling we may be sitting face to face with some powerful folks both civilian and military on Capital Hill very soon.  We have requested to be there in person.

        I can assure you that if they even hint about ‘sweeping this under the rug’, I am going to the media.  I am personal friends with a high profile producer at CNBC.  I have no doubt they will be salivating to get this story.

        • Anonymous

          Would you and your son be willing to email me a copy of this document and any like photographs or other info related to the whole incident?  Not to sound like an ass or anything, but this ordeal has been very fascinating, and I would love to read the first hand account.

          Since I have moderator privileges on this site, I can pull the email address you used to set up your account and shoot you an email for you to reply to.  That way no one is setting themselves up to be spammed by the trolls on this site.  That’s only if I get your ok, of course.

          Safety and Peace

          • Anonymous

            Please, be my guest.  I’d be more than happy to send you a copy, sir!

          • Anonymous

            Meant to add that we are not in possession of the 7 page document, recorded interview or undershirt.

            However, those will have to be produced by the Marine Corps.  My son is going to call base legal tomorrow and request a copy of the recording, his report and attempt to get the undershirt.

            The Lt. Colonel told me that the undershirt was in his CO’s office.  It had better still be around or else.

      • Anonymous

        BTW, my good friend, a Cmd Sgt Major (Army) is also on the ball with this.  He has known my son ever since the very day he was born…and he is highly pissed.  He was also my paramedic partner.  As a matter of fact, he did his internship under my charge.

        And we dropped by his recruiter’s office for the first time since my son’s been back.  He was genuinely disppointed about the abuse of son and the other recruits.  He is hard-corp Marine. 

        He knows me pretty well by now…so ANYONE that doubts anything I say can certainly talk to him.  He knows this momma don’t (sic) play. 

        He is still astounded, as well as the other recuiters, about the turn of events that caused my son to leave.  He stated to me and my son, “I couldn’t believe it when I heard it, man and neither could anyone else.  We KNEW you would be the one that would go down there and be a ‘god’ and get all the honors.  You had the motivation, physical and mental abilities to be a shooting star.  I am so sorry you got the shit-end of the stick…you really did get it.”

        Well we’re gonna take that stick my son got and do a whole lotta stirring.

      • Anonymous

        Also meant to add that there is an audio tape of my son’s interview, a 7 page document written by my son and a ripped undershirt as evidence.  We are in the process of contacting his fellow recruits as well as other recruits he met in RSP to collaborate his testimony.

        Like I said, this ain’t my first rodeo with the military or in the civilian world. I know what I’m doing, trust me. LOL

    • Madmike19682003

      out of curiosity what was the mos of the offending di’s? i have noticed a trend of abusive di’s not being infantry or any other combat mos. they seem to be support and service personnel or as we like to say “pogues”. i have a feeling it’s the rear echelon weenies who have never seen combat or been in a combat unit that feel they have something to prove so they get heavy handed with the teenagers some of whom will have more exciting careers than the di’s themselves.

      • Anonymous

        Hi Madmike!

        My son is not here at the moment but I will text him now and see if he knows.

      • Anonymous

        He said his Senior DI’s MOS was MP.  However, he does not know what the hardhat’s MOS is.  However, his name appears many times in that 13 page document sent to the congressman, commandant and secretary of the Navy so I have a feeling we will know more about him in the very near future.

        Also, you may be right.   My son already had rank even though it was only one step up.  Hey, it was the first brick in his yellow brick road to OCS.  Maybe that was it.  I don’t know.  But my kid was 22 and very wise far beyond his years.  You’d have to meet my son to know what I’m talking about…and hopefully, someday soon we can all meet. 

        Unless  this goes public before everything is over, we are going to reveal our identities to anyone who wants to know.  We have absolutely nothing to hide.  As a matter of fact, we are hoping that day comes very soon.

        • Madmike19682003

          smart people in my experience have a tougher time in boot camp than stupid people. we can’t just turn our brains off. there is a very interesting BBC documentary from the 1980’s titled “anyone’s son will do” and is about marine corps boot camp and how they brainwash people. it is very interesting and i highly recommend it. you can see it for free on youtube.com. there is a great line in it where the narrator says the military prefers youngsters over grown men because they are so much more controllable and easier to impress and no matter how hard you try “you cannot convince a grown man that war is fun”

  • swizzlestik

    I could’t have said it better Ninja_Punch.  Thank you and ditto.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Thank you swizzlestik, and good to hear from you again.  Judging by your other post today, I’m really hoping that this story will make it to the Marine Corps Times Newspaper.  It would be awesome to hear what the “official” take on this story is.

      • swizzlestik

        My pleasure.  My son and I will keep all of you updated.  That’s a promise.  The feces will probably hit the proverbial oscillating blades next week for sure.

        My son is determined to stand his ground and I will be riding shotgun.

        The congressman’s office is also handling his DD293. That was the document they were desparately wanting.  They are handling it currently and we are simply waiting on a response.  They were extremely pleased and impressed with my son’s information about the ‘incidents’. 

        I have a feeling we may be sitting face to face with some powerful folks both civilian and military on Capital Hill very soon.  We have requested to be there in person.

        I can assure you that if they even hint about ‘sweeping this under the rug’, I am going to the media.  I am personal friends with a high profile producer at CNBC.  I have no doubt they will be salivating to get this story.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Would you and your son be willing to email me a copy of this document and any like photographs or other info related to the whole incident?  Not to sound like an ass or anything, but this ordeal has been very fascinating, and I would love to read the first hand account.

          Since I have moderator privileges on this site, I can pull the email address you used to set up your account and shoot you an email for you to reply to.  That way no one is setting themselves up to be spammed by the trolls on this site.  That’s only if I get your ok, of course.

          Safety and Peace

          • swizzlestik

            Please, be my guest.  I’d be more than happy to send you a copy, sir!

          • swizzlestik

            Meant to add that we are not in possession of the 7 page document, recorded interview or undershirt.

            However, those will have to be produced by the Marine Corps.  My son is going to call base legal tomorrow and request a copy of the recording, his report and attempt to get the undershirt.

            The Lt. Colonel told me that the undershirt was in his CO’s office.  It had better still be around or else.

      • swizzlestik

        BTW, my good friend, a Cmd Sgt Major (Army) is also on the ball with this.  He has known my son ever since the very day he was born…and he is highly pissed.  He was also my paramedic partner.  As a matter of fact, he did his internship under my charge.

        And we dropped by his recruiter’s office for the first time since my son’s been back.  He was genuinely disppointed about the abuse of my son and the other recruits.  He is a hard-core Marine through and through.

        He knows me pretty well by now…so ANYONE that doubts anything I say can certainly talk to him.  He knows this momma don’t (sic) play. 

        He is still astounded, as well as the other recuiters, about the turn of events that caused my son to leave.  He stated to me and my son, “I couldn’t believe it when I heard it, man and neither could anyone else.  We KNEW you would be the one that would go down there and be a ‘god’ and get all the honors.  You had the motivation, physical and mental abilities to be a shooting star.  I am so sorry you got the shit-end of the stick…you really did get it.”

        Well we’re gonna take that stick my son got and do a whole lotta stirring.

      • swizzlestik

        Also meant to add that there is an audio tape of my son’s interview, a 7 page document written by my son and a ripped undershirt as evidence.  We are in the process of contacting his fellow recruits as well as other recruits he met in RSP to collaborate his testimony.

        Like I said, this ain’t my first rodeo with the military or in the civilian world. I know what I’m doing, trust me. LOL

    • Madmike19682003

      out of curiosity what was the mos of the offending di’s? i have noticed a trend of abusive di’s not being infantry or any other combat mos. they seem to be support and service personnel or as we like to say “pogues”. i have a feeling it’s the rear echelon weenies who have never seen combat or been in a combat unit that feel they have something to prove so they get heavy handed with the teenagers some of whom will have more exciting careers than the di’s themselves.

      • swizzlestik

        Hi Madmike!

        My son is not here at the moment but I will text him now and see if he knows.

      • swizzlestik

        He said his Senior DI’s MOS was MP.  However, he does not know what the hardhat’s MOS is.  However, his name appears many times in that 13 page document sent to the congressman, commandant and secretary of the Navy so I have a feeling we will know more about him in the very near future.

        Also, you may be right.   My son already had rank even though it was only one step up.  Hey, it was the first brick in his yellow brick road to OCS.  Maybe that was it.  I don’t know.  But my kid was 22 and very wise far beyond his years.  You’d have to meet my son to know what I’m talking about…and hopefully, someday soon we can all meet. 

        Unless  this goes public before everything is over, we are going to reveal our identities to anyone who wants to know.  We have absolutely nothing to hide.  As a matter of fact, we are hoping that day comes very soon.

        • Madmike19682003

          smart people in my experience have a tougher time in boot camp than stupid people. we can’t just turn our brains off. there is a very interesting BBC documentary from the 1980’s titled “anyone’s son will do” and is about marine corps boot camp and how they brainwash people. it is very interesting and i highly recommend it. you can see it for free on youtube.com. there is a great line in it where the narrator says the military prefers youngsters over grown men because they are so much more controllable and easier to impress and no matter how hard you try “you cannot convince a grown man that war is fun”

  • Oohrah!

    Is it just me or is swizzlestick scary?

    • Anonymous

      BOO!  I so love you!  Really!  Marines are my heroes, that’s the honest-to-God truth.  However, the ones who violate regulations and cannot behave are not on that list. 

      You won’t find another more patriotic person than me, seriously.  If anyone, even today would threaten a member of the military or people I love, I would stand between them and the bullet. 

      But you cannot justify conduct unbecoming.

  • Oohrah!

    Is it just me or is swizzlestick scary?

    • swizzlestik

      BOO!  I so love you!  Really!  Marines are my heroes, that’s the honest-to-God truth.  However, the ones who violate regulations and cannot behave are not on that list. 

      You won’t find another more patriotic person than me, seriously.  If anyone, even today would threaten a member of the military or people I love, I would stand between them and the bullet. 

      But you cannot justify conduct unbecoming.

      BTW, you hurt my widdle biddy feelings. 🙁 But I still love ya anyway! :))

  • Anonymous

    Guys, maybe ya’ll need to clue ole Oorah in.  He damned sure doesn’t want to get into a pissing contest with me.  LOL.  It won’t be a Kodak moment.  :))

    • Anonymous

      Ok, you can keep your pet troll, but frankly I’m done feeding him so that’s your job. lol

      • Oohrah!

        Whoa dude I thought we were boys

        • Anonymous

          I am a lady, Snookums!  LOL 😛

      • Anonymous

        Your generosity is so greatly appreciated.  You know how fond I become of these little critters.  But I promise to remember NOT to feed him after midnight.  Gremlins are pesky little creatures! :))

        And besides, deep down inside he loves me too! <3

  • swizzlestik

    Guys, maybe ya’ll need to clue ole Oorah in.  He damned sure doesn’t want to get into a pissing contest with me.  LOL.  It won’t be a Kodak moment.  :))

    But pleaseeeee, don’t get rid of him. I wanna keep him. He gives me that warm, fuzzy feeling. 🙂

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Ok, you can keep your pet troll, but frankly I’m done feeding him so that’s your job. lol

      • Oohrah!

        Whoa dude I thought we were boys

        • swizzlestik

          I am a lady, Snookums!  LOL 😛

      • swizzlestik

        Your generosity is so greatly appreciated.  You know how fond I become of these little critters.  But I promise to remember NOT to feed him after midnight.  Gremlins are pesky little creatures! :))

        And besides, deep down inside he loves me too! <3

  • todd johnson

    First of all, I’m sorry about this crap happening as a Cpl. If this comes out, everyone in the training company is screwed. There was supposed to be corrected at the peer and platoon level or series and company level. Here’s a quick example on how the issue was handled.
    During my time in boot camp, I didn’t witness a whole lot of major abuses. The only major one was when my DI consistently physically abused an African American recruit and used racial intimidation on him. On one occasion, fellow recruits and I witness another DI seeing the abuse and calling my DI over to correct him. After further abuse, my SDI stepped in along with the Series Gunnery Sgt and Series Commander (the Series Commander position was implemented to cut down on DI abuses). All of our platoon was called in by the series commander to talk about what happened and find out if any of us got abused. The DI who conducted the abuse transferred out of the platoon and placed in another platoon. From what I heard, he continued his ways and was stripped of the title of drill instructor. The abused recruit went on and graduated despite him telling me he wanted to quit. Had the abusive drill instructor stuck around, he probably would have and I won’t blame him. 2 of my original drill instructors were dismissed from their titles- the other one got into a fight with another DI.
    The DIs who witness the abuse should have stopped it at their level, not condone it. If not, they go up the chain: to the Senior Drill Instructor, Series Gunnery Sgt, Series Commander, Company 1st Sgt, Company Commander and up to Battalion if needed.  
    When you train someone, whether it be your peers, superiors, or subordinates, you must apply leadership traits and principles. The problem is many Marines focus on memorizing and chanting these traits but doesn’t really put them into practice. This is how these abuses happen. Best of luck to ihateDIs89 and swizzlestik. 

  • todd johnson

    First of all, I’m sorry about this crap happening as a Cpl. If this comes out, everyone in the training company is screwed. There was supposed to be corrected at the peer and platoon level or series and company level. Here’s a quick example on how the issue was handled.
    During my time in boot camp, I didn’t witness a whole lot of major abuses. The only major one was when my DI consistently physically abused an African American recruit and used racial intimidation on him. On one occasion, fellow recruits and I witness another DI seeing the abuse and calling my DI over to correct him. After further abuse, my SDI stepped in along with the Series Gunnery Sgt and Series Commander (the Series Commander position was implemented to cut down on DI abuses). All of our platoon was called in by the series commander to talk about what happened and find out if any of us got abused. The DI who conducted the abuse transferred out of the platoon and placed in another platoon. From what I heard, he continued his ways and was stripped of the title of drill instructor. The abused recruit went on and graduated despite him telling me he wanted to quit. Had the abusive drill instructor stuck around, he probably would have and I won’t blame him. 2 of my original drill instructors were dismissed from their titles- the other one got into a fight with another DI.
    The DIs who witness the abuse should have stopped it at their level, not condone it. If not, they go up the chain: to the Senior Drill Instructor, Series Gunnery Sgt, Series Commander, Company 1st Sgt, Company Commander and up to Battalion if needed.  
    When you train someone, whether it be your peers, superiors, or subordinates, you must apply leadership traits and principles. The problem is many Marines focus on memorizing and chanting these traits but doesn’t really put them into practice. This is how these abuses happen. Best of luck to ihateDIs89 and swizzlestik. 

  • Anonymous

    Thank you Todd.  Many military folks have told us basically the same thing.  This should have been nipped in the bud…period.  While I realize that not every DI conducts himself or herself in this abusive fashion…I have no doubt that these are more than just isolated incidents. 

    The reason it keeps happening is because these kids are scared out of their minds.  My son said that at least 85% of his platoon cried at night and some even during training.

    The day he left his squad bay to go too RSP, the majority of them crowded around him, thanked him for his courage and wanted to leave with him.  They kept asking, “How did you do it?  How are you getting out?”  Most of them had tears in their eyes.

    Every day, I look into my son’s eyes and see a pain that I cannot fix.  He feels guilty about leaving them behind.

    He told them, “I don’t want to leave, I have to leave.  I came here to become a Marine but I have found no honor here.  It’s been nothing but lies and abuse.  I cannot be here day after day and be abused or watch ya’ll get abused.  This is not what I signed up for.  None of us did.”  He went on to tell them, “Even worse, no one has done anything about it.  All the DI’s in the company know I was the one who reported this and every day they are making my life a miserable hell for doing what I was SUPPOSED to do.  This just isn’t the way it was supposed to happen.”

  • swizzlestik

    Thank you Todd.  Many military folks have told us basically the same thing.  This should have been nipped in the bud…period.  While I realize that not every DI conducts himself or herself in this abusive fashion…I have no doubt that these are more than just isolated incidents. 

    The reason it keeps happening is because these kids are scared out of their minds.  My son said that at least 85% of his platoon cried at night and some even during training.

    The day he left his squad bay to go to RSP, the majority of them crowded around him, thanked him for his courage and wanted to leave with him.  They kept asking, “How did you do it?  How are you getting out?”  Most of them had tears in their eyes.

    Every day, I look into my son’s eyes and see a pain that I cannot fix.  He feels guilty about leaving them behind.

    He told them, “I don’t want to leave, I have to leave.  I came here to become a Marine but I have found no honor here.  It’s been nothing but lies and abuse.  I cannot be here day after day and be abused or watch ya’ll get abused.  This is not what I signed up for.  None of us did.”  He went on to tell them, “Even worse, no one has done anything about it.  All the DI’s in the company know I was the one who reported this and every day they are making my life a miserable hell for doing what I was SUPPOSED to do.  This just isn’t the way it was supposed to happen.”

  • Anonymous

    I thought this was befitting for some folks…lol.

  • swizzlestik

    I thought this was befitting for some folks…lol.

    • S.

       This is awesome!

  • B_w_Jackson

    IhateDIs89: hey if you don’t mind sharing the details privately I’d like to hear aout it. I’m stationed at PI and if this is a getting as big as you say I haven’t heard a thing about it.

    • Anonymous

      Hi B_w_Jackson,

      Thanks for your interest.  If you read my son’s original post, then you have the basic story.  However, at this point we are laying low as far as revealing too many intimate details such as the battalion, company, platoon or the identities of the DI’s involved. 

      I can assure you this however, I don’t think it will take too long for this to reveal itself quite frankly.  I can also assure you my son is telling the truth.  I do not say this because he is my son.  I say this because of the high morals, standards and ethics he holds himself to.  Lying is not fathomable for him.  It never has been.

      I think all of us are anxious to see how this plays out.  The commandant of the Marine Corps and the Secretary of the Navy are being made aware if not already.  We have also requested to come to D.C. and sit before a review board and/or the commandant himself.

      We will release information as much as we can, when we can.  So please check back.  May I ask what your MOS and rank are? 

      As a matter of fact, when it can be made available to the public, I will be glad to send you a copy of my son’s 13 page report.

      • B_w_Jackson

        Appreciate it and best of luck to you guys. I am a sergeant and I’m a 0931 (marksmanship trainer). I just want to point out to all the people who are calling your son a pussy, there is a story that has been in the news as well as the Marine Corps times about the Marine in Afghanistan who committed suicide. After repeatedly falling asleep on watch he was hazed over and over until he put his SAW in his mouth and pulled the trigger. Now anybody who has actually seen the gore of combat (not jutst deployed and sat at camp cupcake) knows how much life can suck over there. Instead of finding the root of the Marines problems like a decent leader would they Fucked with him until the point he felt like dying would be better than putting up with one more minute of life. Now look at all the Marines on active duty who have committed suicide, the trolls on this site really need to take a look around and realize that there is a big problem in the Corps and although they have made a large effort to reverse the trend, we still have a way to go.

        • Anonymous

          Thank you. 

          I know my son is trampling in murky water but he is determined to see this through.  although this IS about HIM, it’s NOT all about him.  This is about future recruits as well as past ones who have suffered through this.

          As a former paramedic of 8 years, I also saw the ‘gore’ on our own soil more times than I’d like to remember.  Trying desparately to revive babies and children who were beaten to death, picking up mangled bodies, including those of babies from auto accidents, retrieving pieces of John Doe from a miles of railroad track and placing them in a body bag.   I unzipped many of those I’m sorry to say. 

          I’ve dodged bullets as well.  Have several weapons pointed in my face upon arrival on the scene by people who have just murdered someone or wanted to take their own lives.  So I know the horrors of ‘war’…only my experience was on American soil.

          And yes I have PTSD but not from just my experience as a paramedic.  Mine goes back to years of sexual child abuse as well as kidnapping, rape and later years of spousal abuse by an alcoholic husband…and the list goes on.

          I  CHOSE not to let those atrocities win the war in my life however.  I will continue to stand up and fight for justice as long as I live.

          My legacy is that my son had the unmitigated gall to follow in my footsteps.  That my friend, is the best gift my son could ever give me.

        • Proudvetran

          If that young devil dog repeatedly fell asleep while on post, then he was not doing his job. he was not protecting his fellow Marines. they were not hazing him. they were attempting to correct his behavior. the “root ” of his behavior was his refusal to fix himself. This is not a game. if you fall asleep on post… marines die.

          • Proudvetran

            The fact that he suck started his saw shows his weakness, and his selfishnesss. now theres one less devil in the fight to stand beside his brothers… absolutely disgracefull.

          • Anonymous

            I’ll tell you what’s disgraceful.  The FACT that YOU obviously CONDONE the violations of the regulations of YOUR beloved Corps like so many others who refuse to see the truth. Some honor that is.

            The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice, it is conformity.

          • Anonymous

            Said marine fell asleep on post the first time, and then was denied rest in favor of playing stupid games with him so that he would fall asleep again from sheer exhaustion, thus perpetuating the cycle.  The root of his behavior was the unwillingness of his superiors to allow him the opportunity to fix himself because they were too busy playing stupid games.

            Judging by the actions the other marines took, they were clearly not his “brothers”, in fact their deaths would’ve made his life considerably easier.  You should stop talking down on him and just be glad he decided to only kill himself, because it would’ve been very easy for him to take a good number of guys with him, and frankly I wouldn’t have blamed him for it one bit.

  • B_w_Jackson

    IhateDIs89: hey if you don’t mind sharing the details privately I’d like to hear aout it. I’m stationed at PI and if this is a getting as big as you say I haven’t heard a thing about it.

    • swizzlestik

      Hi B_w_Jackson,

      Thanks for your interest.  If you read my son’s original post, then you have the basic story.  However, at this point we are laying low as far as revealing too many intimate details such as the battalion, company, platoon or the identities of the DI’s involved. 

      I can assure you this however, I don’t think it will take too long for this to reveal itself quite frankly.  I can also assure you my son is telling the truth.  I do not say this because he is my son.  I say this because of the high morals, standards and ethics he holds himself to.  Lying is not fathomable for him.  It never has been.

      I think all of us are anxious to see how this plays out.  The commandant of the Marine Corps and the Secretary of the Navy are being made aware if not already.  We have also requested to come to D.C. and sit before a review board and/or the commandant himself.

      We will release information as much as we can, when we can.  So please check back.  May I ask what your MOS and rank are? 

      As a matter of fact, when it can be made available to the public, I will be glad to send you a copy of my son’s 13 page report.

      • B_w_Jackson

        Appreciate it and best of luck to you guys. I am a sergeant and I’m a 0931 (marksmanship trainer). I just want to point out to all the people who are calling your son a pussy, there is a story that has been in the news as well as the Marine Corps times about the Marine in Afghanistan who committed suicide. After repeatedly falling asleep on watch he was hazed over and over until he put his SAW in his mouth and pulled the trigger. Now anybody who has actually seen the gore of combat (not jutst deployed and sat at camp cupcake) knows how much life can suck over there. Instead of finding the root of the Marines problems like a decent leader would they Fucked with him until the point he felt like dying would be better than putting up with one more minute of life. Now look at all the Marines on active duty who have committed suicide, the trolls on this site really need to take a look around and realize that there is a big problem in the Corps and although they have made a large effort to reverse the trend, we still have a way to go.

        • swizzlestik

          Thank you. 

          I know my son is trampling in murky water but he is determined to see this through.  although this IS about HIM, it’s NOT all about him.  This is about future recruits as well as past ones who have suffered through this.

          As a former paramedic of 8 years, I also saw the ‘gore’ on our own soil more times than I’d like to remember.  Trying desparately to revive babies and children who were beaten to death, picking up mangled bodies, including those of babies from auto accidents, retrieving pieces of John Doe from a miles of railroad track and placing them in a body bag.   I unzipped many of those I’m sorry to say. 

          I’ve dodged bullets as well.  Have several weapons pointed in my face upon arrival on the scene by people who have just murdered someone or wanted to take their own lives.  So I know the horrors of ‘war’…only my experience was on American soil.

          And yes I have PTSD but not from just my experience as a paramedic.  Mine goes back to years of sexual child abuse as well as kidnapping, rape and later years of spousal abuse by an alcoholic husband…and the list goes on.

          I  CHOSE not to let those atrocities win the war in my life however.  I will continue to stand up and fight for justice as long as I live.

          My legacy is that my son had the unmitigated gall to follow in my footsteps.  That my friend, is the best gift my son could ever give me.

        • Proudvetran

          If that young devil dog repeatedly fell asleep while on post, then he was not doing his job. he was not protecting his fellow Marines. they were not hazing him. they were attempting to correct his behavior. the “root ” of his behavior was his refusal to fix himself. This is not a game. if you fall asleep on post… marines die.

          • Proudvetran

            The fact that he suck started his saw shows his weakness, and his selfishnesss. now theres one less devil in the fight to stand beside his brothers… absolutely disgracefull.

          • swizzlestik

            I’ll tell you what’s disgraceful.  The FACT that YOU obviously CONDONE the violations of the regulations of YOUR beloved Corps like so many others who refuse to see the truth. Some honor that is.

            The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice, it is conformity.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Said marine fell asleep on post the first time, and then was denied rest in favor of playing stupid games with him so that he would fall asleep again from sheer exhaustion, thus perpetuating the cycle.  The root of his behavior was the unwillingness of his superiors to allow him the opportunity to fix himself because they were too busy playing stupid games.

            Judging by the actions the other marines took, they were clearly not his “brothers”, in fact their deaths would’ve made his life considerably easier.  You should stop talking down on him and just be glad he decided to only kill himself, because it would’ve been very easy for him to take a good number of guys with him, and frankly I wouldn’t have blamed him for it one bit.

  • Oohrah!

    Is it just me or is swizzlestik and ihatedi’s89 exactly like the mom and son from the movie the waterboy..

    • Anonymous

      Ahhh…you little rascal.  You figured it out.  😉

    • DerkaDerp

      That’s just you, Sparky.

    • Proudvetran

      swizzlestik is one of the bleeding heart mothers of america that insists on sticking her nose where it doesnt belong. It is because of her babying her son that he doesnt grasp the value of the training he was receiving in boot camp.

      • Madmike19682003

        what’s the value in getting beat? you don’t toughen people up by hitting them and saying if you hit me back you go to jail. you toughen them up by letting them fight back in fact i’d require recruits to fight back. i got more out of college martial arts than i got out of the marines.

      • Anonymous

        Gee whiz, the my pet troll collection just keeps increasing at a fairly consistent rate.  I’m so proud. 

        Ah…dear Proudvetran,

        First and foremost, I thank you for your military service. 

        However, you do not know me personally, so for you to make those assumptions is beyond ridiculous. 

        I babied my son when he was an infant and nurtured him through life.  But I taught him to be tough like me and to have the courage to stand up for what is right, no matter the cost. 

        As far as being a ‘bleeding heart mother’, I actually find that quite endearing.  I am a mother to many Marines and Soldiers, my dear, and the ones who REALLY know me will quickly tell you that I would do the same for them.

        My son IS my damned business and I’ve paid enough dues to this country helping and protecting my fellowman, that I’ve more than earned the right ‘stick my nose’ whereever and whenever I want to.

        My older brother is a veteran.  He is 60 and I guarantee you that I would stick my nose in to help him any day of the week.  As a matter of fact, I have.

        I stuck my nose in to stop a baby from being beaten to death.  I stuck my nose in to talk a 20 year old mother out of blowing her head off while she held the gun to her temple.  I stuck my nose in to help homeless veterans.  I stuck my nose in to enact a law that willl no doubt, save mant innocent lives.  I stuck my nose in when an old man drop to the floor with a heart attack in a grocery store to perform CPR on him.  He survived.  I stuck my nose in to rescue children who were bring neglected and abused. I clothed and fed them.  I could go on but I think you may have gotten the point.

        So, my friend, I’d be willing to bet that these folks were GLAD I stuck my nose in.  My son is no different.  If anything, I am even more willing to help him than anyone.  If I didn’t, then what kind of parent would I be?  I don’t care if he’s 2, 22, or 122.  He is still my son.

        Grasp the value of training?  Punching, kicking and pushing kids down a stairwell is ‘valuable training’?

        My son received the best training in life from yours truly.  I can assure you of that.  He DID grasp the situation rather quickly and I’m glad he did.  He was too mature and too smart to allow himself and others to be abused. 

        Personally, I don’t give a fat rat’s ass what you think but I felt obliged to address your asinine post.

      • Anonymous

        Let’s test that theory of yours shall we.  If this was in fact good and valuable training then I would love to hear the value in it.  So I’ll start the sentence, you finish it.

        A recruit was spartan kicked into his rack, this made him a better marine because…

        A recruit was hit in the face with a campaign cover/clip board, this made him a better marine because…

        A recruit was punched in the back of the head with a rifle carrying handle, this made him a better marine because…

        A recruit was denied a head call until he urinated in his pants, this made him a better marine because…

        A recruit had his food spat on, and had the food on his tray mashed together, this made him a better marine because…

        Take your time, some of these are pretty difficult.

        • Oohrah!

          War is hell

          • Anonymous

            And so am I Skippy.

          • Oohrah!

            How so?

          • Anonymous

            I imagine that in a couple weeks, maybe less, you will know ‘how so’.

          • Proudvetran

            swizzle and her bootcamp reject son are trying to ruin his former drill instructors careers.

        • Proudvetran

          In response to all of the above. Did no one here do their research? no one knew what they were getting in to?  This is the goddamn Marine Corps. we train, we get broken down into snivveling puddles of piss, and the rebuilt into hardened instruments of death and destruction. every time a recuit gets hit, or verbally assaulted, or phisically pushed tp the point of bodilly destruction…it makes him hard. it makes him a finely tuned instrument of war this is our JOB. it is vitally important to be both physically and mentally strong. 

          • Proudvetran

            those who can’t hack it…. like swizzlestiks  son, and ninja punch, and most of the kids on this site, get culled.

          • Madmike19682003

            first of all most everyone here did pass recruit training and did serve out the enlistment and left with a honorable discharge. and second the marine corps does not show its true face until your in the service. i was told i’d be joining a elite unit not one filled with motarded losers i wouldn’t hire to work flipping burgers. i was told i’d get first rate training when instead i got several weeks training shoved into several months. you are trained at a level that can be handled by morons that can barely read and write. i was told i’d be serving with a band of brothers not scumbags who like abusing and stealing from other marines. if your a winner the corps is a step down, if your a loser it’s a step up. thats why we call you motarded.

          • Anonymous

            A Corporal and Afghanistan war veteran, with over 100 patrols under his belt “can’t hack it”?  Do you even think before you post this stuff or do you just say whatever it takes to make you feel like you made a good decision by joining?

            I joined, I honored my obligations and my contract, then when I realized that the marine corps sold itself out but still tries to hang on to it’s reputation so it can attempt to justify it’s own existence, I started looking for the way out, and now I’m well on my way to an honorable discharge with 4.6./4.5 Pro/Cons.

            I’ve done my time, and done it honorably and I have nothing to prove to anyone, much less a useless lifer like yourself.

            Safety and Peace

          • Proudvetran

            mmm  mmm mmm.first of all boot. Parade fucking rest. Second. useless lifer? I was medically discharged after 6 years. I’m guessing that if you are a corporal I was smoking sand niggers before you were out of high school. Just because you are dissilusioned with the Corps doesn’t give you the right to defame her.

          • Anonymous

            It’s only defamation if it isn’t true.
            http://www.fleetmarinelife.com/?p=589

            Like I said, I have nothing to prove to the likes of you.

          • Proudvetran

            i wonder if your command would feel the same way? you are active duty yes?

          • Madmike19682003

            how does letting someone hit you make you stronger? i think it makes you a coward because you don’t fight back. “finely tuned instrument of war”??? wtf do you think you are some kind of commando? the marine corps is not special forces ..it’s basically a bitchy little army that speaks navy lingo.

  • Oohrah!

    Is it just me or is swizzlestik and ihatedi’s89 exactly like the mom and son from the movie the waterboy..

    • swizzlestik

      Ahhh…you little rascal.  You figured it out.  😉

    • DerkaDerp

      That’s just you, Sparky.

    • Proudvetran

      swizzlestik is one of the bleeding heart mothers of america that insists on sticking her nose where it doesnt belong. It is because of her babying her son that he doesnt grasp the value of the training he was receiving in boot camp.

      • Madmike19682003

        what’s the value in getting beat? you don’t toughen people up by hitting them and saying if you hit me back you go to jail. you toughen them up by letting them fight back in fact i’d require recruits to fight back. i got more out of college martial arts than i got out of the marines.

      • swizzlestik

        Gee whiz, the my pet troll collection just keeps increasing at a fairly consistent rate.  I’m so proud. 

        Ah…dear Proudvetran,

        First and foremost, I thank you for your military service. 

        However, you do not know me personally, so for you to make those assumptions is beyond ridiculous. 

        I babied my son when he was an infant and nurtured him through life.  But I taught him to be tough like me and to have the courage to stand up for what is right, no matter the cost. 

        As far as being a ‘bleeding heart mother’, I actually find that quite endearing.  I am a mother to many Marines and Soldiers, my dear, and the ones who REALLY know me will quickly tell you that I would do the same for them.

        My son IS my damned business and I’ve paid enough dues to this country helping and protecting my fellowman, that I’ve more than earned the right ‘stick my nose’ whereever and whenever I want to.

        My older brother is a veteran.  He is 60 and I guarantee you that I would stick my nose in to help him any day of the week.  As a matter of fact, I have.

        I stuck my nose in to stop a baby from being beaten to death.  I stuck my nose in to talk a 20 year old mother out of blowing her head off while she held the gun to her temple.  I stuck my nose in to help homeless veterans.  I stuck my nose in to enact a law that willl no doubt, save many innocent lives.  I stuck my nose in when an old man dropped to the floor with a heart attack in a grocery store to perform CPR on him.  He survived.  I stuck my nose in to rescue children who were bring neglected and abused. I clothed and fed them.  I could go on but I think you may have gotten the point.

        So, my friend, I’d be willing to bet that these folks were GLAD I stuck my nose in.  My son is no different.  If anything, I am even more willing to help him than anyone.  If I didn’t, then what kind of parent would I be?  I don’t care if he’s 2, 22, or 122.  He is still my son.

        Grasp the value of training?  Punching, kicking and pushing kids down a stairwell is ‘valuable training’?

        My son received the best training in life from yours truly.  I can assure you of that.  He DID grasp the situation rather quickly and I’m glad he did.  He was too mature and too smart to allow himself and others to be abused. 

        Personally, I don’t give a fat rat’s ass what you think but I felt obliged to address your asinine post.

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        Let’s test that theory of yours shall we.  If this was in fact good and valuable training then I would love to hear the value in it.  So I’ll start the sentence, you finish it.

        A recruit was spartan kicked into his rack, this made him a better marine because…

        A recruit was hit in the face with a campaign cover/clip board, this made him a better marine because…

        A recruit was punched in the back of the head with a rifle carrying handle, this made him a better marine because…

        A recruit was denied a head call until he urinated in his pants, this made him a better marine because…

        A recruit had his food spat on, and had the food on his tray mashed together, this made him a better marine because…

        Take your time, some of these are pretty difficult.

        • Oohrah!

          War is hell

          • swizzlestik

            And so am I Skippy.

          • Oohrah!

            How so?

          • swizzlestik

            I imagine that in a couple weeks, maybe less, you will know ‘how so’.

        • Proudvetran

          In response to all of the above. Did no one here do their research? no one knew what they were getting in to?  This is the goddamn Marine Corps. we train, we get broken down into snivveling puddles of piss, and the rebuilt into hardened instruments of death and destruction. every time a recuit gets hit, or verbally assaulted, or phisically pushed tp the point of bodilly destruction…it makes him hard. it makes him a finely tuned instrument of war this is our JOB. it is vitally important to be both physically and mentally strong. 

          • Proudvetran

            those who can’t hack it…. like swizzlestiks  son, and ninja punch, and most of the kids on this site, get culled.

          • Madmike19682003

            first of all most everyone here did pass recruit training and did serve out the enlistment and left with a honorable discharge. and second the marine corps does not show its true face until your in the service. i was told i’d be joining a elite unit not one filled with motarded losers i wouldn’t hire to work flipping burgers. i was told i’d get first rate training when instead i got several weeks training shoved into several months. you are trained at a level that can be handled by morons that can barely read and write. i was told i’d be serving with a band of brothers not scumbags who like abusing and stealing from other marines. if your a winner the corps is a step down, if your a loser it’s a step up. thats why we call you motarded.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            A Corporal and Afghanistan war veteran, with over 100 patrols under his belt “can’t hack it”?  Do you even think before you post this stuff or do you just say whatever it takes to make you feel like you made a good decision by joining?

            I joined, I honored my obligations and my contract, then when I realized that the marine corps sold itself out but still tries to hang on to it’s reputation so it can attempt to justify it’s own existence, I started looking for the way out, and now I’m well on my way to an honorable discharge with 4.6./4.5 Pro/Cons.

            I’ve done my time, and done it honorably and I have nothing to prove to anyone, much less a useless lifer like yourself.

            Safety and Peace

          • Proudvetran

            mmm  mmm mmm.first of all boot. Parade fucking rest. Second. useless lifer? I was medically discharged after 6 years. I’m guessing that if you are a corporal I was smoking sand niggers before you were out of high school. Just because you are dissilusioned with the Corps doesn’t give you the right to defame her.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            It’s only defamation if it isn’t true.
            http://www.fleetmarinelife.com/?p=589

            Like I said, I have nothing to prove to the likes of you.

          • Proudvetran

            i wonder if your command would feel the same way? you are active duty yes?

          • Madmike19682003

            how does letting someone hit you make you stronger? i think it makes you a coward because you don’t fight back. “finely tuned instrument of war”??? wtf do you think you are some kind of commando? the marine corps is not special forces ..it’s basically a bitchy little army that speaks navy lingo.

  • Oohrah!

    From the Halls of Montezuma,
    To the shores of Tripoli;
    We fight our country’s battles
    In the air, on land, and sea;
    First to fight for right and freedom
    And to keep our honor clean:
    We are proud to claim the title
    Of United States Marine.
    Our flag’s unfurled to every breeze
    From dawn to setting sun;
    We have fought in every clime and place
    Where we could take a gun;
    In the snow of far-off Northern lands
    And in sunny tropic scenes;
    You will find us always on the job
    The United States Marines.
    Here’s health to you and to our Corps
    Which we are proud to serve;
    In many a strife we’ve fought for life
    And never lost our nerve;
    If the Army and the Navy
    Ever look on Heaven’s scenes;
    They will find the streets are guarded
    By The United States Marines.

    • Anonymous

      Love the song, but what’s your point Skippy?

    • DerkaDerp

      Too bad it’s not true.

      • Oohrah!

        Speak for yourself

  • Oohrah!

    From the Halls of Montezuma,
    To the shores of Tripoli;
    We fight our country’s battles
    In the air, on land, and sea;
    First to fight for right and freedom
    And to keep our honor clean:
    We are proud to claim the title
    Of United States Marine.
    Our flag’s unfurled to every breeze
    From dawn to setting sun;
    We have fought in every clime and place
    Where we could take a gun;
    In the snow of far-off Northern lands
    And in sunny tropic scenes;
    You will find us always on the job
    The United States Marines.
    Here’s health to you and to our Corps
    Which we are proud to serve;
    In many a strife we’ve fought for life
    And never lost our nerve;
    If the Army and the Navy
    Ever look on Heaven’s scenes;
    They will find the streets are guarded
    By The United States Marines.

    • swizzlestik

      Love the song, but what’s your point Skippy?

    • DerkaDerp

      Too bad it’s not true.

      • Oohrah!

        Speak for yourself

  • Dburr71

    You’re so full of shit.  You’re a liar and fraud and you should’ve never made it past the background check.  The recruiter who signed you up must have been drunk!

    • Anonymous

      Have you any evidence to the contrary?  Or is it just that the truth doesn’t support your feelings regarding the marine corps and therefore must not actually be the truth?

    • Anonymous

      What a refreshing post to wake up to!  Wow, thanks Dburr71.  Gee Ninja_Punch, can I keep him? 

  • Dburr71

    You’re so full of shit.  You’re a liar and fraud and you should’ve never made it past the background check.  The recruiter who signed you up must have been drunk!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Have you any evidence to the contrary?  Or is it just that the truth doesn’t support your feelings regarding the marine corps and therefore must not actually be the truth?

    • swizzlestik

      What a refreshing post to wake up to!  Wow, thanks Dburr71.  Gee Ninja_Punch, can I keep him? 

      • S.

        Get em!

  • Madmike19682003

    when i was in boot camp at pi back in 1988 all the di’s i saw just poked or pushed recruits. i never saw a recruit actually punched with a closed fist. i once had a di start to choke me on the rifle range because i bent over to stop a stack of rifles from falling after he told everyone to stop moving but i pushed him off me and made it clear he better stop so he did. i never saw a recruit really get hurt by a di though. most di’s are not bad and in fact are among the best nco’s in the corps but a few bad apples get through. one thing i noticed was that di’s who do get slap happy seem to be pogues and not combat or infantry marines.

  • Madmike19682003

    when i was in boot camp at pi back in 1988 all the di’s i saw just poked or pushed recruits. i never saw a recruit actually punched with a closed fist. i once had a di start to choke me on the rifle range because i bent over to stop a stack of rifles from falling after he told everyone to stop moving but i pushed him off me and made it clear he better stop so he did. i never saw a recruit really get hurt by a di though. most di’s are not bad and in fact are among the best nco’s in the corps but a few bad apples get through. one thing i noticed was that di’s who do get slap happy seem to be pogues and not combat or infantry marines.

  • Proudvetran

    I think you made the right choice by bitching out. If you couldn’t handle 13 weeks of…. is this shit what you call abuse?…..really?….. well, reguardless. clearly you are not Marine material. there is no way I would want you watching my back in combat..

  • Oohrah!

    How come every time someone calls this kid out he doesn’t say a word but his mom jumps in to defend him. If I were him I’d be mortified. He’s 22 years old and still has his mom sticking up for him like he’s getting bullied on a playground… And even then your mom really shouldn’t help you.

    • Anonymous

      Well damn Skippy.  My son happens to work, work out and is at his girlfriend’s most nights.  So that leaves me here to play in the sandbox with you!  I know you love me deep down.

    • Anonymous

      Just remember, and I mean this more than you can fathom, if you ever need someone on your side, you better hope I’m still around.  I can be the fiercest warrior and best friend you ever had…or your worst nightmare.  And yes, I can back those words up any day of the week.  Name it.

    •  I wish I had a mom that would stick up for me like she does. Never had one, sounds awesome. Oh and by the way, the only reason you are still posting here is because I like to see the community rip you apart every time you say something retarded. Cracks me up.  I love it when someone like you comes around.

      • Anonymous

        I got your back Civilian,  Any day, any time, anywhere.  NEVER forget that.

  • Oohrah!

    How come every time someone calls this kid out he doesn’t say a word but his mom jumps in to defend him. If I were him I’d be mortified. He’s 22 years old and still has his mom sticking up for him like he’s getting bullied on a playground… And even then your mom really shouldn’t help you.

    • swizzlestik

      Well damn Skippy.  My son happens to work, work out and is at his girlfriend’s most nights.  So that leaves me here to play in the sandbox with you!  I know you love me deep down.

      And besides, he is rarely on the computer unless he is ordering something or reading the news. Unlike some folks, he has a life,

    • swizzlestik

      Just remember, and I mean this more than you can fathom, if you ever need someone on your side, you better hope I’m still around.  I can be the fiercest warrior and best friend you ever had…or your worst nightmare.  And yes, I can back those words up any day of the week.  Name it.

    • S.

       I wish I had a mom that would stick up for me like she does. Never had one, sounds awesome. Oh and by the way, the only reason you are still posting here is because I like to see the community rip you apart every time you say something retarded. Cracks me up.  I love it when someone like you comes around.

      • swizzlestik

        I got your back Civilian,  Any day, any time, anywhere.  NEVER forget that.

  • Johnnycustom

    Come on kid. I quickly discovered boot camp was a mind game…. and decided to work with it. I was in platoon 2100 san Diego and graduated in december 1984. I was asked to change my MOS in boot camp to intelligence, being a hayseed from
    Illinois I stammered out I wanted my gurantee to be a diesel mech. Guess what, they made me a couple more offers and i was just a kid and got my MOS. Went through boot, had toe surgery, me and the guide got into it (had a big black buddy in my poolie group that settled that) and graduated a PFC of Marines. first in my 3521 class… outstanding LCPL at my command (wanna see the beer drinking pics and the pics of crap we did) My Captain realized i was the best mechanic (not marine0 he had ever seen and sent me to 3522 school. Graduated first in my class and went to Hawaii 3rd Marines and recieved many awards and Masts….. Picked up Sgt as a 3522 (only one on island) and got out…. I have done well, the Marines taught me alot, NCO school taught me alot etc etc etc … had good leaders and bad. I stuck with it. have 6 Harleys in the garage, a nice house in So Cal, a great job (several I move up) a daughter in med school and it is all with my Marine training….. and YES i can point at 5 friends in the same boat hell some got out and became officers in the corps AFTER going to school. My buddies and me have done well, we accepted, adapted and realized what it was about. My schooling was eqaul to a 4 year college, compacted into a year…… in a nut shell, your son was not smart enough to figure it out and play the game….. sorry  

    • sailA

       Look at how you typed out all that shit. Talk about not smart enough.

      • Anonymous

        sailA, you don’t even make sense.  WTF are YOU talking about?  I don’t often resort to name-calling however, I don’t think I’ve met this many imbeciles on one damned site.

        Personally, I think the guys slamming my son are jealous as hell because they didn’t have the moral fortitude to say FUCK YOU to the Marine Corps like he did.

        • Anonymous

          I think sailA was referring to Johnnycustom’s constant use of ellipses in place of commas, and also how his sentences and sentence fragments don’t really have any logical order to them.

          • Anonymous

            LOL.  Mom read what you wrote and passes her apologies to sailA.  She’s hyped and on the warpath.  This is a huge sore spot for her right now. Plus she is like a pitbull when she knows she’s right about something.  You would have to pry it from her dead jaws.

            She said that Heaven won’t have her and Hell is afraid she’ll take over.

        • Proudvetran

          Your son was not Marine material. He knows nothing about the real Corps. recruit training is intended to push recruits. he wasn’t good enough. maybe he can join the army like all the other wastrels that aren’t good enough to be Marines.

          • Anonymous

            I’ve bent over backwards being courteous to you.  I could give a flying fuck what your opinion is.  It’s apparent that you are among the walking-brain-washed and there’s no getting through to you. 

            It takes a real man (and they don’t have to be a Marine) to keep an open mind and take into consideration any opposition posed to them and to admit when they’re wrong.

            Apparently you have not reached that point in life although you are much older than me,  While I am disappointed that you would support abuse in the Marine Corps (that speaks volumes about your character anyway) I am not surprised. 

            They say the de-programming takes years but I have a feeling that the only way you will ever change your mind is in a few more years when you have Alzheimer’s and can’t remember your own name or how to take a piss.

            I’d be proud to join the Army.  My ancestors served under Patton and 2 of my great uncles were on the shores of Normandy.  Hell, yeah, I’ll take the Army any day over the bullshit I had to go through at Parris Island.

          • Anonymous

            Marine material?  No, my son is not fucktard material that’s for damned sure.

          • Oohrah!

            Wow swizzy, way too show your ignorance and unyielding determination to make sure your son is still breast feeding into his mid 20’s.

        • sailA

           At the very bottom of what I typed out shows you that was my response to Johnnycustom.

          • Anonymous

            My bad.  Sorry. 🙁

    • Anonymous

      So you got out in ’88 if I understand you right?  I’m not going to pretend like I know what the corps was like in the 80’s, hell maybe it really was as tolerable as you make it sound (I doubt it, but hey I don’t know).

      What I can tell you for a fact is that her son was and is smart enough to play the game, he saw a place where the rules are “I’m going to hit you, but God help you if you hit back” and realized he couldn’t win under that scenario, so he got out, got back to the civilian world, where he knew that he could attack the marine corps with impunity the same way his D.I.s attacked him believing that they could get away with it.  

      While I was in Afghanistan, I heard this wonderful poem:

      I’ve fucked women in France,
      I’ve fucked women in Maine,
      I’ve even fucked women
      On the beaches of Spain
      But I will never be happy
      I will never be free
      Until I fucked the marine corps
      Like the marine corps fucked me.

      IhateDIs89 is the first person I know of who has completely flipped the script on the marine corps.  He was in a position where he couldn’t win, so he changed the rules and made it so the marine corps couldn’t touch him while he attacked it using it’s previous moves against it.  It’s not that he wasn’t smart enough to play the game, it’s that he was too smart to lose!  He has achieved in only a couple months, the vengeance that I’ve been craving for almost 2 years now, he is now in a position to fuck the marine corps like the marine corps fucked him, and to say that I envy him would be an understatement.

      Safety and Peace

      • Anonymous

        Thanks Ninja.  I don’t understand what’s so hard for others to understand.  Assault is assault…period.  Don’t worry, I’ve got enough vengeance in me for a whole lot of people, you included.  But this isn’t really about me or vengeance…it’s about the Marine Corps failing me and a lot of other people.  THEY did not live up to MY standards or THEIR OWN.

        • Proudvetran

          It is not the Corps fault, nor is it our responsibility to live up to your standards. you failed the corps.

          • Anonymous

            Well then sir, I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree.

          • Proudvetran

            agree to disagree? no. bullshit. you put your feet on those yellow footprints, you took an oath, and you didnt follow through. no matter how you justify it. YOU FAILED!

          •  Wow you sure changed our minds…

        • Anonymous

          PerfectScapegoat and I pretty much covered this one in another post.

          http://www.usmcsolutions.com/archives/603
          When the marine corps is challenged or questioned, it means the marine’s investment, and thus, his intelligence is questioned, no one can accept that, not even to themselves.

    • Anonymous

      I absolutely appreciate what you said.  I’m am also glad the path you took in life was a successful one and I wish you all the best.

      This was not simple mind games, sir.  This was straight up blantant abuse and total disregard for the regulations of the Marine Corps. 

      I’m not out to ruin anyone’s life.  I am trying to weed out the bad guys, like it or not.  I don’t want what happened to me and my fellow recruits to happen to anyone else.  There’s no excuse for the DI’s behavior nor for the other DI’s who failed to report him as well.  This is total DISHONOR no matter how you try to candy-coat it or label it.  You can call what you want.  My definition of abuse is what I described in my initial post and those are not all of the incidents that took place.

      I want to re-enter the military.  It is what I was meant to do.  But I want to be trained as I was supposed to be in the first place. 

      Mindgames, screaming, yelling or pushing me past what I think is my best…I don’t have a problem with at all.  As a matter of fact, I found the screaming quite comical.  It made the DI’s seem like cartoon characters in all honesty.

      But I DO have a problem with someone putting their hands on me to cause me or anyone BODILY harm.  What if this happened to you daughter sir?  Would you still feel the same?

      There is one recruit that now has permanent brain damage because a DI pushed him and another recruit down a stairwell.  He is in Beaufort Naval Hospital.  Again, what if this were you son or daughter sir? 

  • Johnnycustom

    Come on kid. I quickly discovered boot camp was a mind game…. and decided to work with it. I was in platoon 2100 san Diego and graduated in december 1984. I was asked to change my MOS in boot camp to intelligence, being a hayseed from
    Illinois I stammered out I wanted my gurantee to be a diesel mech. Guess what, they made me a couple more offers and i was just a kid and got my MOS. Went through boot, had toe surgery, me and the guide got into it (had a big black buddy in my poolie group that settled that) and graduated a PFC of Marines. first in my 3521 class… outstanding LCPL at my command (wanna see the beer drinking pics and the pics of crap we did) My Captain realized i was the best mechanic (not marine0 he had ever seen and sent me to 3522 school. Graduated first in my class and went to Hawaii 3rd Marines and recieved many awards and Masts….. Picked up Sgt as a 3522 (only one on island) and got out…. I have done well, the Marines taught me alot, NCO school taught me alot etc etc etc … had good leaders and bad. I stuck with it. have 6 Harleys in the garage, a nice house in So Cal, a great job (several I move up) a daughter in med school and it is all with my Marine training….. and YES i can point at 5 friends in the same boat hell some got out and became officers in the corps AFTER going to school. My buddies and me have done well, we accepted, adapted and realized what it was about. My schooling was eqaul to a 4 year college, compacted into a year…… in a nut shell, your son was not smart enough to figure it out and play the game….. sorry  

    • sailA

       Look at how you typed out all that shit. Talk about not smart enough.

      • swizzlestik

        sailA, you don’t even make sense.  WTF are YOU talking about?  I don’t often resort to name-calling however, I don’t think I’ve met this many imbeciles on one damned site.

        Personally, I think the guys slamming my son are jealous as hell because they didn’t have the moral fortitude to say FUCK YOU to the Marine Corps like he did.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          I think sailA was referring to Johnnycustom’s constant use of ellipses in place of commas, and also how his sentences and sentence fragments don’t really have any logical order to them.

          • ihateDIs89

            LOL.  Mom read what you wrote and passes her apologies to sailA.  She’s hyped and on the warpath.  This is a huge sore spot for her right now. Plus she is like a pitbull when she knows she’s right about something.  You would have to pry it from her dead jaws.

            She said that Heaven won’t have her and Hell is afraid she’ll take over.

        • Proudvetran

          Your son was not Marine material. He knows nothing about the real Corps. recruit training is intended to push recruits. he wasn’t good enough. maybe he can join the army like all the other wastrels that aren’t good enough to be Marines.

          • ihateDIs89

            I’ve bent over backwards being courteous to you.  I could give a flying fuck what your opinion is.  It’s apparent that you are among the walking-brain-washed and there’s no getting through to you. 

            It takes a real man (and they don’t have to be a Marine) to keep an open mind and take into consideration any opposition posed to them and to admit when they’re wrong.

            Apparently you have not reached that point in life although you are much older than me,  While I am disappointed that you would support abuse in the Marine Corps (that speaks volumes about your character anyway) I am not surprised. 

            They say the de-programming takes years but I have a feeling that the only way you will ever change your mind is in a few more years when you have Alzheimer’s and can’t remember your own name or how to take a piss.

            I’d be proud to join the Army.  My ancestors served under Patton and 2 of my great uncles were on the shores of Normandy.  Hell, yeah, I’ll take the Army any day over the bullshit I had to go through at Parris Island.

          • swizzlestik

            Marine material?  No, my son is not fucktard material that’s for damned sure.

        • sailA

           At the very bottom of what I typed out shows you that was my response to Johnnycustom.

          • swizzlestik

            My bad.  Sorry. 🙁

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      So you got out in ’88 if I understand you right?  I’m not going to pretend like I know what the corps was like in the 80’s, hell maybe it really was as tolerable as you make it sound (I doubt it, but hey I don’t know).

      What I can tell you for a fact is that her son was and is smart enough to play the game, he saw a place where the rules are “I’m going to hit you, but God help you if you hit back” and realized he couldn’t win under that scenario. So he got out, and got back to the civilian world, where he knew that he could attack the marine corps with impunity the same way his D.I.s attacked him believing that they could get away with it.  

      While I was in Afghanistan, I heard this wonderful poem:

      I’ve fucked women in France,
      I’ve fucked women in Maine,
      I’ve even fucked women
      On the beaches of Spain
      But I will never be happy
      I will never be free
      Until I fucked the marine corps
      Like the marine corps fucked me.

      IhateDIs89 is the first person I know of who has completely flipped the script on the marine corps.  He was in a position where he couldn’t win, so he changed the rules and made it so the marine corps couldn’t touch him while he attacked it using it’s previous moves against it.  It’s not that he wasn’t smart enough to play the game, it’s that he was too smart to lose!  He has achieved in only a couple months, the vengeance that I’ve been craving for almost 2 years now, he is now in a position to fuck the marine corps like the marine corps fucked him, and to say that I envy him would be an understatement.

      Safety and Peace

      • ihateDIs89

        Thanks Ninja.  I don’t understand what’s so hard for others to understand.  Assault is assault…period.  Don’t worry, I’ve got enough vengeance in me for a whole lot of people, you included.  But this isn’t really about me or vengeance…it’s about the Marine Corps failing me and a lot of other people.  THEY did not live up to MY standards or THEIR OWN.

        • Proudvetran

          It is not the Corps fault, nor is it our responsibility to live up to your standards. you failed the corps.

          • ihateDIs89

            Well then sir, I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree.

          • Proudvetran

            agree to disagree? no. bullshit. you put your feet on those yellow footprints, you took an oath, and you didnt follow through. no matter how you justify it. YOU FAILED!

          • S.

             Wow you sure changed our minds…

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          PerfectScapegoat and I pretty much covered this one in another post.

          http://www.usmcsolutions.com/archives/603
          When the marine corps is challenged or questioned, it means the marine’s investment, and thus, his intelligence is questioned, no one can accept that, not even to themselves.

    • ihateDIs89

      I absolutely appreciate what you said.  I’m am also glad the path you took in life was a successful one and I wish you all the best.

      This was not simple mind games, sir.  This was straight up blatant abuse and total disregard for the regulations of the Marine Corps. 

      I’m not out to ruin anyone’s life.  I am trying to weed out the bad guys, like it or not.  I don’t want what happened to me and my fellow recruits to happen to anyone else.  There’s no excuse for the DI’s behavior nor for the other DI’s who failed to report him as well.  This is total DISHONOR no matter how you try to candy-coat it or label it.  You can call what you want.  My definition of abuse is what I described in my initial post and those are not all of the incidents that took place.

      I want to re-enter the military.  It is what I was meant to do.  But I want to be trained as I was supposed to be in the first place. 

      Mindgames, screaming, yelling or pushing me past what I think is my best…I don’t have a problem with at all.  As a matter of fact, I found the screaming quite comical.  It made the DI’s seem like cartoon characters in all honesty.

      But I DO have a problem with someone putting their hands on me to cause me or anyone BODILY harm.  What if this happened to you daughter sir?  Would you still feel the same?

      There is one recruit that now has permanent brain damage because a DI pushed him and another recruit down a stairwell.  He is in Beaufort Naval Hospital.  Again, what if this were you son or daughter sir? 

      Play games? I don’t have time for games. I’m 22 years old and a grown man. I wanted to become a Marine, not a kindergarten graduate.

  • Oohrah!

    Proudveteran, all of these disgruntled former Marines are a product of bad leadership. I guarantee if these guys had a good nco they wouldn’t be so bitter. Unfortunately though, bad nco’s make marines want to get out.

    • Proudvetran

      I am painfully aware of that brother. however… none of us loved all the bullshit. it was just part of it. there is bullshit in every facet of life. in, or out of the corps. It is truly a love hate relationship. I loved being a grunt, I enlisted in a time of war to kill fucking ragheads. the tradeoff for that however… is that you have to deal with jackassery. these kids are just that. kids

      • Oohrah!

        Exactly. They forgot that moons joins to be a garrison marine. Noone joins for field day inspections or daily formations. But if you want to get to the fight badly enough you put up with it and laugh it off. Marines join to fight, and if you’re not a piece of shit.. You’ll get to.

        • Madmike19682003

          the problem is we shouldn’t have to put up with it. it’s dumb shit like spit and polish that makes the warriors get out and we get replaced by ass kissers who look good in formation but are too stupid to figure out how to put batteries in a starlight scope.

      • Madmike19682003

        no i am a adult i hated the marines because i don’t like being trained like a child and treated like one. why should i have to pick up cigarette butts when i don’t smoke or get restricted because some asshole got drunk and did something stupid while i don’t even drink wine. i didn’t hate my nco’s in fact i got along with most of them. i hated the bureaucracy,the obssession with style over substance,spit and polish and basically serving a government agency instead of defending the u.s.. mostly we just helped one useless lifer deep throat another one for a promotion. plus i didn’t like serving with people who belong on a rerun of jerry springer or maury povich.

        lazy
        idiotic
        fuckup
        expecting
        retirement
        =lifer

        • Proudvetran

          Where to begin….. we pick up the cig butts when we don’t smoke because we as Marines hold ourselves to a certain standard of cleanliness. you get restricted when the dipshit lance corporal gets a dui, because it is an incentive for us to correct our peers. We are obsessed with appearance, and spit shine and polish because it gives us pride in ourselves. A man who looks good, feels good. and panties drop when a Marine shows up in blues.  Finally… your acronym for lifer. If you don’t like how the Corps is run… stay in… and effect a change.

    •  I agree with you

  • Oohrah!

    Proudveteran, all of these disgruntled former Marines are a product of bad leadership. I guarantee if these guys had a good nco they wouldn’t be so bitter. Unfortunately though, bad nco’s make marines want to get out.

    • Proudvetran

      I am painfully aware of that brother. however… none of us loved all the bullshit. it was just part of it. there is bullshit in every facet of life. in, or out of the corps. It is truly a love hate relationship. I loved being a grunt, I enlisted in a time of war to kill fucking ragheads. the tradeoff for that however… is that you have to deal with jackassery. these kids are just that. kids

      • Oohrah!

        Exactly. They forgot that moons joins to be a garrison marine. Noone joins for field day inspections or daily formations. But if you want to get to the fight badly enough you put up with it and laugh it off. Marines join to fight, and if you’re not a piece of shit.. You’ll get to.

        • Madmike19682003

          the problem is we shouldn’t have to put up with it. it’s dumb shit like spit and polish that makes the warriors get out and we get replaced by ass kissers who look good in formation but are too stupid to figure out how to put batteries in a starlight scope.

      • Madmike19682003

        no i am a adult i hated the marines because i don’t like being trained like a child and treated like one. why should i have to pick up cigarette butts when i don’t smoke or get restricted because some asshole got drunk and did something stupid while i don’t even drink wine. i didn’t hate my nco’s in fact i got along with most of them. i hated the bureaucracy,the obssession with style over substance,spit and polish and basically serving a government agency instead of defending the u.s.. mostly we just helped one useless lifer deep throat another one for a promotion. plus i didn’t like serving with people who belong on a rerun of jerry springer or maury povich.

        lazy
        idiotic
        fuckup
        expecting
        retirement
        =lifer

    • S.

       I agree with you

  • Proudvetran

    Well.. goodnight assholes!

    •  Goodnight asshole! lol

    • Madmike19682003

      at least we aren’t bigoted racists.

      • Proudvetran

        A bigoted racist?  Jesus christ. remember 9-11? I remember my tours in Iraq for damn sure. Fuck you. yes. I hate arabs, and muslims

        • Smeelak

           Racist.

        • Anonymous

          The one who calls himself a “Proud Veteran” is the one who hates those whom he has never met…

          I don’t know about you but I find that enlightening.

        • Madmike19682003

          one of the nicest guys i ever knew was a iranian muslim. do you hate all native americans,germans,italians,vietnamese,chinese,koreans,spanish or british people? we fought against them at one point in this countries history. and hitler was catholic so you also have them.

          • Smeelak

             Great point! I bet his response will not equal yours

  • Proudvetran

    Well.. goodnight assholes!

    • S.

       Goodnight asshole! lol

    • Madmike19682003

      at least we aren’t bigoted racists.

      • Proudvetran

        A bigoted racist?  Jesus christ. remember 9-11? I remember my tours in Iraq for damn sure. Fuck you. yes. I hate arabs, and muslims

        • Smeelak

           Racist.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          The one who calls himself a “Proud Veteran” is the one who hates those whom he has never met…

          I don’t know about you but I find that enlightening.

        • Madmike19682003

          one of the nicest guys i ever knew was a iranian muslim. do you hate all native americans,germans,italians,vietnamese,chinese,koreans,spanish or british people? we fought against them at one point in this countries history. and hitler was catholic so you also have them.

          • Smeelak

             Great point! I bet his response will not equal yours

  • Proudvetran

    What’s the matter? did you all realize that you were being rediculous? are you re thinking your lives for the better? I havn’t had any counter comments…  whats the matter swizzle? realize that your son  gave up to easily? going to give him some tough love and make him be a man and handle his own life and problems? what’es the matter ninja punch? realise that things aren’t so bad in the Marines and that maybe you just needed to be a better Marine and stop whining about dum shit?

    • Anonymous

      LOL.   No dear, I just don’t think your incessant asinine comments deserve a response.  You are emotionally and intellectually bankrupt.  Seek help.

  • Proudvetran

    What’s the matter? did you all realize that you were being rediculous? are you re thinking your lives for the better? I havn’t had any counter comments…  whats the matter swizzle? realize that your son  gave up to easily? going to give him some tough love and make him be a man and handle his own life and problems? what’es the matter ninja punch? realise that things aren’t so bad in the Marines and that maybe you just needed to be a better Marine and stop whining about dum shit?

    • swizzlestik

      LOL.   No dear, I just don’t think your incessant asinine comments deserve a response.  You are emotionally and intellectually bankrupt.  Seek help.

  • Proudvetran

    To swizzles son. Man up boy. handle yor own problems. don’t run and cry to your momma when things get hard. life is a shit fest. things ARE better in the corps, in ways that you cannot understand, this is because you squandered the oppurtunity of a lifetime. not everyone does well in the corps. people like ninja punch who are unhappy with their time served. what you called ‘abuse’ was not abuse, yes accidents happen, people do get hurt, people get carried away. it happens. in life as well as recruit training. you are not Marine material, that’s fine  no real harm would have come to you in recruit training. not intentionally anyway. spitting in your food? get real, who cares. mashing up your food? just pushing you. you broke. you quit ! this was your choice. Marine material wouldn’t have quit, you would haveendured the pain and harrasment, and the bullshit. you aren’t a bad person because of it, you just aren’t a Marine.

  • Proudvetran

    To swizzlestik. You should consider the possibility that your son needs to take care of himself.with respect to a mothers love, you can’t continue to baby him as you have without serious consiquences.  consiquences like him not developing healthy relationships with women or men, whatever his preferance is, and him not becoming a man emotionally. we can’t keep running to mummy for help all the time. I know its tough….. but necessary for his future as a husband/ father/man.

    • Anonymous

      You just don”t get it do you Zippy? I stand up for anyone or anything when I think something unjust has happened to them. You do NOT know me, nor what I have successfully accomplished for others nor the many risks I’ve taken for TOTAL STRANGERS. I fought the US ARMY at the Pentagon in 1991, tooth and nail for his worthless, piece of shit father..and WON. Took 2 years, but I did it.

      So it stands to reason that if I would risk my life for strangers, I’m DAMNED sure gonna do it for my son. Like it or not.

      Quite frankly, I don’t recall you ever shwoing proof that you have a Ph.D. in relationships. I am 55 years old. Probably older than you and this isn’t my first rodeo darlin’. So you should consider getting off that soapbox before you fall on your ass and hurt something you might need.

      • ThatGuy

        “He was that much in shape, motivated and determined. His recruiters
        said my son was the one who kept the other poolees motivated and was
        often in charge of PT.”

        And then he broke, and I’m glad he broke here instead of over there. 

        • Anonymous

          Did he break, or did he refuse to be broken?

          Frankly it sounds like the latter to me.  Just food for thought.

          Safety and Peace

        • Anonymous

          Sorry to disappoint you man, but I wasn’t going to be beaten down like somebody’s bitch.  I am a man.  Real men don’t let themselves get slapped around, kicked or humiliated like a street whore.  They couldn’t break me because I have the sense and courage not to allow them to.  Have a nice day.

  • Proudvetran

    To swizzlestik. You should consider the possibility that your son needs to take care of himself.with respect to a mothers love, you can’t continue to baby him as you have without serious consiquences.  consiquences like him not developing healthy relationships with women or men, whatever his preferance is, and him not becoming a man emotionally. we can’t keep running to mummy for help all the time. I know its tough….. but necessary for his future as a husband/ father/man.

    • swizzlestik

      You just don”t get it do you Zippy? I stand up for anyone or anything when I think something unjust has happened to them. You do NOT know me, nor what I have successfully accomplished for others nor the many risks I’ve taken for TOTAL STRANGERS. I fought the US ARMY at the Pentagon in 1991, tooth and nail for his worthless, piece of shit father..and WON. Took 2 years, but I did it.

      So it stands to reason that if I would risk my life for strangers, I’m DAMNED sure gonna do it for my son. Like it or not.

      Quite frankly, I don’t recall you ever showing proof that you have a Ph.D. in relationships. I am 55 years old. Probably older than you and this isn’t my first rodeo darlin’. So you should consider getting off that soapbox before you fall on your ass and hurt something you might need.

      BTW, my son became a man at age 6 after his father left us. I had to have 17 surgeries over the years and my son took very good care of me and himself. He had been my rock. He has had a very healthy relationship with a young lady for over a year now. And they adore one another. Know why? Because my son is not a jerk-wad and knows how to treat people. He also graduated from college with a 3.75 GPA and lost 140 pounds all at the same time. He is an amazing young man.

      Even his Lt Colonel said so to me. He was very impressed with my son with his poise, intellect and maturity. So much so that HE is writing a letter of character and recommendation for my son. He knows my son got the shit end of the stick and he knows this bullshit went on down there. His Captain and all his recruiters said that my son could have been a ‘god’ and taken all the honors had this shit not happened. He was that much in shape, motivated and determined. His recruiters said my son was the one who kept the other poolees motivated and was often in charge of PT.

      So until you truly know what you’re talking about, shut your pie hole.

      • ThatGuy

        “He was that much in shape, motivated and determined. His recruiters
        said my son was the one who kept the other poolees motivated and was
        often in charge of PT.”

        And then he broke, and I’m glad he broke here instead of over there. 

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Did he break, or did he refuse to be broken?

          Frankly it sounds like the latter to me.  Just food for thought.

          Safety and Peace

        • ihateDIs89

          Sorry to disappoint you man, but I wasn’t going to be beaten down like somebody’s bitch.  I am a man.  Real men don’t let themselves get slapped around, kicked or humiliated like a street whore.  They couldn’t break me because I have the sense and courage not to allow them to.  Have a nice day.

  • Anonymous

    To Proudvetran:
    On the contrary, life is not a shit fest.  Life is a gift and it is what you make it.  I chose not to be treated like a 5 year old and slapped around like somebody’s bitch.  Apparently you like that sort of thing.  Opportunity of a lifetime? Surely you jest.  But I take into consideration that you are one of the walking dead who are mindless puppets created by the Corps.  Accident?  Are you kidding me?  You can’t be that serious or stupid. On the other hand, maybe you are the latter. You don’t know what my mother and I have been through sir.  I grew up quickly.  While I’m on the subject, I suggest you lay off my mom.  She is one hell of a woman, but she is my mother and I respect her and so will you.  Oh yeah and you NEVER answered my questions in a previous post.  What if this were your son or daughter?  What if a DI pushed her down a stairwell leaving her with permanent brain damage or a permanent limp?  Yeah, that’s what I thought.

  • ihateDIs89

    To Proudvetran:
    On the contrary, life is not a shit fest.  Life is a gift and it is what you make it.  I chose not to be treated like a 5 year old and slapped around like somebody’s bitch.  Apparently you like that sort of thing.  Opportunity of a lifetime? Surely you jest.  But I take into consideration that you are one of the walking dead who are mindless puppets created by the Corps.  Accident?  Are you kidding me?  You can’t be that serious or stupid. On the other hand, maybe you are the latter. You don’t know what my mother and I have been through sir.  I grew up quickly.  While I’m on the subject, I suggest you lay off my mom.  She is one hell of a woman, but she is my mother and I respect her and so will you.  Oh yeah and you NEVER answered my questions in a previous post.  What if this were your son or daughter?  What if a DI pushed her down a stairwell leaving her with permanent brain damage or a permanent limp?  Yeah, that’s what I thought.

  • Oohrah!

    Civilian is censoring my posts. Wow pathetic, can’t respond so he just hides it and hopes Nobody will ever know

  • Yo

    I’m not gonna mention any names here but it’ll be quite obvious who I’m talking about. There is a fine line between sadistic abuse and training. If you don’t, you shouldn’t be a Marine- if you are either not an NCO or if you are, you shouldn’t be one. 

    • Yo

      Sorry for my typo- it should read ‘… if you are a Marine, you shouldn’t hold a leadership position.’ I was working 13hrs today.

  • Yo

    I’m not gonna mention any names here but it’ll be quite obvious who I’m talking about. There is a fine line between sadistic abuse and training. If you don’t, you shouldn’t be a Marine- if you are either not an NCO or if you are, you shouldn’t be one. 

    • Yo

      Sorry for my typo- it should read ‘… if you are a Marine, you shouldn’t hold a leadership position.’ I was working 13hrs today.

  • Yo

    I guess you’ll stop watching fox news now won’t ya?

  • Yo

    I guess you’ll stop watching fox news now won’t ya?

  • ThatGuy

    Seriously?  I think it’s fairly obvious than this life is not for you.  Go get a real job.

    • Anonymous

      Yep seriously.  Why don’t you grow up?

  • ThatGuy

    Seriously?  I think it’s fairly obvious than this life is not for you.  Go get a real job.

    • ihateDIs89

      Yep seriously.  Why don’t you grow up?

    • anotherjoeisalliam

      ha dude you just bashed the marines!

  • Malagnium

    your soft…. haha 

  • RMorris

    It sounds to me like someone had a little too much sand in their vag to make it through boot camp. If you can’t handle some light abuse in training, how are you supposed to handle it in a real combat situation where people are dying all around you?  I am glad for the troops who are overseas that you weren’t able to make it through boot camp, and I am glad I didn’t end up in a unit with a crybaby like you…

    • Blazer

      An injury at the hands of a drilll instructor causing permanent brain damage or irreparable damage of any kind is LIGHT ABUSE?  Pop your binky back in your mouth and shut the fuck up moron.

    • Madmike19682003

      i’d love to hear a recruit say that to a drill instructor when he fights back. “hey shithead if you can’t handle me fighting back how are you gonna handle the taliban fighting back?” of course i doubt the chain of command will take it that easy. if it does not toughen you up,make you smarter,faster,etc than it’s just abuse. let recruits fight back in fact i’d make it mandatory. the D.I. was a sadist and HE probably couldn’t handle combat. plus in my experience the d-bags who get slap happy and think “light abuse” makes warriors are more often than not bitch ass pogues with the war fighting abilities of a g.i. joe doll.

    • Anonymous

      I was wondering when another amoeba would skulk onto the site and spout stupid shit.  I knew it wouldn’t take long.  LOL

      Amoeba:  shapeless unicellular organism.

  • RMorris

    It sounds to me like someone had a little too much sand in their vag to make it through boot camp. If you can’t handle some light abuse in training, how are you supposed to handle it in a real combat situation where people are dying all around you?  I am glad for the troops who are overseas that you weren’t able to make it through boot camp, and I am glad I didn’t end up in a unit with a crybaby like you…

    • Blazer

      An injury at the hands of a drilll instructor causing permanent brain damage or irreparable damage of any kind is LIGHT ABUSE?  Pop your binky back in your mouth and shut the fuck up moron.

    • Madmike19682003

      i’d love to hear a recruit say that to a drill instructor when he fights back. “hey shithead if you can’t handle me fighting back how are you gonna handle the taliban fighting back?” of course i doubt the chain of command will take it that easy. if it does not toughen you up,make you smarter,faster,etc than it’s just abuse. let recruits fight back in fact i’d make it mandatory. the D.I. was a sadist and HE probably couldn’t handle combat. plus in my experience the d-bags who get slap happy and think “light abuse” makes warriors are more often than not bitch ass pogues with the war fighting abilities of a g.i. joe doll.

    • swizzlestik

      I was wondering when another amoeba would skulk onto the site and spout stupid shit.  I knew it wouldn’t take long.  LOL

      Amoeba:  shapeless unicellular organism.

    • anotherjoeisalliam

      on my three tours overseas i never saw anyone getting hit in the face by a clipboard or kicked in the back on the way to the rack…. just sayin!

  • As a former NCO (SSG) and soldier. ihate is right, pure and simple. There is no real good reason for what happened to him in boot. Mental toughness can be developed in many ways other than the laying on of hands or boots. And if you have to, as a leader “physically” explain yourself you really ain’t much of an NCO or leader, though there are times…..But In the real world outside of the military a punk/DI that pulled that crap would get his ass kicked. I bet he felt the big Marine when he kicked a trooper, a recruit no less, in THE BACK. Big tough guy. One thing that has always annoyed me about the military is the lack of respect for individuals as men and women. I understand the “there is no I In team” crap. But truth is? There is. It is the individual will of each team member that makes the team great. If you have ever lead a great team, as I have, you brief the plan, hand out the “Individual task” and the well trained troopers execute. Good soldiers just about lead themselves. I said “good” for you nay sayers.

    ihate, I was never a Marine. I have worked along side them and never really saw a diff between the two branches, Army or Marine, other than a hiped up image Marines have of themselves. They happen to have a job title that fits the ocupation title. Other than there linguistic luck in this, they are just soldiers that can swim. Also, though there boot camp is longer, I can for a fact say there basic technical skills fall way short for field use fresh out of basic training.. Unless you need something utterly distroyed and broken. WHich in some cases can be useful.
    You are right in leaving. Being true to yourself is what makes a man. Yes leaving sucks, but you are not a coward by any means. If some bozo is going to hide behind rank, a silly looking “round brown”, and plain outright be a bitchy little ass, just because he can….They left you without a choice. I always thought if the military is going to play that game, one should be able to take it “outside.” But that would cause other issues when they got there ass kicked.
    That all said, any basic or boot is mostly mental. We had guys that couldn’t take Army basic just as the Marines do. I’d have a hell of a time now, not laughing in the face of a Drill Sgt. or DI if they pulled that crap on me now. It is all a show. Know how I know? Because in life, the real world, if one acted like that they would be killed by some construction worker they mouthed of to. Do you think for a minute them DI’s would do that with a clip board if they knew you could feed it to them after the fact? THis to me shows a mental issue that needs review. Do they kick puppies in there off time? Also shows the weak mind of a “Leader/Trainer” that will take advantage of the upper hand. Which if you were the enemy I could understand. Also shows the traits of a coward.

          

  • As a former NCO (SSG) and soldier. ihate is right, pure and simple. There is no real good reason for what happened to him in boot. Mental toughness can be developed in many ways other than the laying on of hands or boots. And if you have to, as a leader “physically” explain yourself you really ain’t much of an NCO or leader, though there are times…..But In the real world outside of the military a punk/DI that pulled that crap would get his ass kicked. I bet he felt the big Marine when he kicked a trooper, a recruit no less, in THE BACK. Big tough guy. One thing that has always annoyed me about the military is the lack of respect for individuals as men and women. I understand the “there is no I In team” crap. But truth is? There is. It is the individual will of each team member that makes the team great. If you have ever lead a great team, as I have, you brief the plan, hand out the “Individual task” and the well trained troopers execute. Good soldiers just about lead themselves. I said “good” for you nay sayers.

    ihate, I was never a Marine. I have worked along side them and never really saw a diff between the two branches, Army or Marine, other than a hiped up image Marines have of themselves. They happen to have a job title that fits the ocupation title. Other than there linguistic luck in this, they are just soldiers that can swim. Also, though there boot camp is longer, I can for a fact say there basic technical skills fall way short for field use fresh out of basic training.. Unless you need something utterly distroyed and broken. WHich in some cases can be useful.
    You are right in leaving. Being true to yourself is what makes a man. Yes leaving sucks, but you are not a coward by any means. If some bozo is going to hide behind rank, a silly looking “round brown”, and plain outright be a bitchy little ass, just because he can….They left you without a choice. I always thought if the military is going to play that game, one should be able to take it “outside.” But that would cause other issues when they got there ass kicked.
    That all said, any basic or boot is mostly mental. We had guys that couldn’t take Army basic just as the Marines do. I’d have a hell of a time now, not laughing in the face of a Drill Sgt. or DI if they pulled that crap on me now. It is all a show. Know how I know? Because in life, the real world, if one acted like that they would be killed by some construction worker they mouthed of to. Do you think for a minute them DI’s would do that with a clip board if they knew you could feed it to them after the fact? THis to me shows a mental issue that needs review. Do they kick puppies in there off time? Also shows the weak mind of a “Leader/Trainer” that will take advantage of the upper hand. Which if you were the enemy I could understand. Also shows the traits of a coward.

          

  • swizzlestik

    UPDATE: My son’s report/case is now in the hands of the Inspector General.  Still waiting on a response from the Marine Corps Commandant. 

    •  This is amazing news! Thanks for keeping us posted 🙂

      • swizzlestik

        Have you heard from Ninja lately?  Sent him an e-mail a few days ago and no response.  Unusual.

  • swizzlestik

    UPDATE: My son’s report/case is now in the hands of the Inspector General.  Still waiting on a response from the Marine Corps Commandant. 

    • S.

       This is amazing news! Thanks for keeping us posted 🙂

      • swizzlestik

        Have you heard from Ninja lately?  Sent him an e-mail a few days ago and no response.  Unusual.

        • S.

          No I haven’t. Sorry.

  • swizzlestik

    UPDATE 03-10-2012

    A Lt. Colonel is coming up from PI this coming Wednesday, March 14th, to meet with my son.  He was assigned by the Commanding General of PI to investigate the abuse allegations as well as his seperation and re-enlistment codes. Will keep you posted.

    • Thank you for keeping us posted!

      • swizzlestik

        My pleasure!  This is a giant step in a positive direction! 

  • swizzlestik

    UPDATE 03-10-2012

    A Lt. Colonel is coming up from PI this coming Wednesday, March 14th, to meet with my son.  He was assigned by the Commanding General of PI to investigate the abuse allegations as well as his seperation and re-enlistment codes. Will keep you posted.

    • S.

      Thank you for keeping us posted!

      • swizzlestik

        My pleasure!  This is a giant step in a positive direction! 

  • CpltoLT

    You couldn’t hack it, simple as that.  The Corps is a brotherhood, everyone has went through boot camp — things like you listed are things that we look back and laugh about.  You’ve said in a few other comments here, you “dont wan’t to be treated like a 5 year old” – well, son, maybe the military isn’t for you.  I think the fact that you are a college graduate and your mother is on this very list of comments trolling on your behalf is further proof than that.  I too, was a college graduate when I enlisted and joined the Corps — and if anything, I think that age and experience made me more prepared for the new lifestyle I was entering.  Just doesn’t seem like its for you, is all — any branch.

    • CplPain

       lol “has went”

    • SativaSlayer

        You need to go back to grade school and check up on your grammar.

      “college graduate”

      • CpltoLT

        My apologies — I was under the impression the comments section was here for the purpose of communicating opinions on the story they refer to – which is why my comment is on the topic of this story in particular – not the grammar of my hastily typed reply to said story.

    • Madmike19682003

      what kind of college graduate joins the corps as a enlisted man? unless you were a reservist i’m just gonna have to assume your degree wasn’t in a STEM(science,technology,engineering,math)discipline.

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        I knew a Cpl. who enlisted with a college degree, he reenlisted in afghanistan so he could get the points to pick up Sgt.  He was a complete moron and I was eternally grateful that as a Sgt. he really only had control over his squad rather than being able to fuck things up for an entire platoon or larger sized element.

      • CpltoLT

        Bachelor of Science in Information Technology, actually.  Its a long story and I hate to get off the topic of the story in which I first posted my reply – but in short, it is something I always wanted to do.

        • Madmike19682003

          it’s kinda funny but i spent 4 years as a grunt looking in vain for a infantry officer who had a degree in something other than a no brain required liberal arts major with a minor in binge drinking. as hard as i looked i could only find one. i just never felt that any of the officers were really any better educated than me. but of course on average officers are a better class of marine than enlisted men. but averages only apply to average people. 

  • CpltoLT

    You couldn’t hack it, simple as that.  The Corps is a brotherhood, everyone has went through boot camp — things like you listed are things that we look back and laugh about.  You’ve said in a few other comments here, you “dont wan’t to be treated like a 5 year old” – well, son, maybe the military isn’t for you.  I think the fact that you are a college graduate and your mother is on this very list of comments trolling on your behalf is further proof than that.  I too, was a college graduate when I enlisted and joined the Corps — and if anything, I think that age and experience made me more prepared for the new lifestyle I was entering.  Just doesn’t seem like its for you, is all — any branch.

    • CplPain

       lol “has went”

    • SativaSlayer

        You need to go back to grade school and check up on your grammar.

      “college graduate”

      • CpltoLT

        My apologies — I was under the impression the comments section was here for the purpose of communicating opinions on the story they refer to – which is why my comment is on the topic of this story in particular – not the grammar of my hastily typed reply to said story.

    • Madmike19682003

      what kind of college graduate joins the corps as a enlisted man? unless you were a reservist i’m just gonna have to assume your degree wasn’t in a STEM(science,technology,engineering,math)discipline.

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        I knew a Cpl. who enlisted with a college degree, he reenlisted in afghanistan so he could get the points to pick up Sgt.  He was a complete moron and I was eternally grateful that as a Sgt. he really only had control over his squad rather than being able to fuck things up for an entire platoon or larger sized element.

      • CpltoLT

        Bachelor of Science in Information Technology, actually.  Its a long story and I hate to get off the topic of the story in which I first posted my reply – but in short, it is something I always wanted to do.

        • Madmike19682003

          it’s kinda funny but i spent 4 years as a grunt looking in vain for a infantry officer who had a degree in something other than a no brain required liberal arts major with a minor in binge drinking. as hard as i looked i could only find one. i just never felt that any of the officers were really any better educated than me. but of course on average officers are a better class of marine than enlisted men. but averages only apply to average people. 

  • ihateDIs89

    Update on my case:
    I didn’t want everyone to think I’d jumped ship. I am still around and reading the posts and stories…quietly observing.
    After my interview with the Lt. Colonel (2nd and Congressional Investigation) a couple of weeks ago, I requested and recieved BOTH investigation reports. Meaning the investigation that occurred while I was still on the island and the current one.
    I had already been informed by the LtCol during the current investigation that many/most of my fellow recruits (whom of course have now graduated), had either denied or minimized the abuse I reported.
    So I wasn’t exactly blindsided with anything earth-shattering however, I still found it quiter disappointing again.
    The good news is that many of the ‘denials’ are conflicting in themselves. Of course, the main offending DI adamantly denied he’d ever stuck anyone with anything OR used profanity whatsoever. Achem! Seriously? He claimed that in regards to the clipboard incident in the head that he’might have accidently “brushed” someone with the clipboard when he turned while giving the instruction. Really?
    The even better news is that a Gunny (recruiter) heard rumors about the abuse in my platoon and sat down with his 3 recruits to question them. He said all 3 immediately dropped their heads and refused to make further eye contact with him. He said said their body language said a lot and that it was the reaction of someone who has been abused and is ashamed.
    It took a some time but he finally got them to start talking. All 3 wrote detailed reports of the abuse they either observed or experienced personally. Most of what they wrote about was after my departure. All 3 admitted they had been or observed fellow recruits being hit, drop-kicked, kicked and other forms of abuse.
    When asked why they had not reported this the first time or sooner, all 3 said the SDI had warned them that what happened in the squad bay stayed in the squad bay. They were afraid of retaliation in the form of physical and/or mental abuse as well as possibly being kept from graduating. One even said that since everyone else was getting hit, kicked or abused in some fashion, he thought it was “normal” and that this was the “way it was in the MOVIES”.
    These 3 guys can truly say they ARE the Few and the Proud. Even if their validations of my allegations came too late for me, they still found the courage to come through at the end of the day.
    It is my hope that more will come forward and do the right thing but I really don’t look for that to happen since the LtCol told each one of them that NOW was the time to tell the truth and their prior statements would not be hald against them. Now, I suppose they could be charged with perjury.
    I have not received any notice of the actions to be taken, yet. I will update everyone as soon as I know anything further.
    I also want to especially thank those of you who have been supportive and even those who have not. Everyone counts in my book.

  • ihateDIs89

    Update on my case:
    I didn’t want everyone to think I’d jumped ship. I am still around and reading the posts and stories…quietly observing.
    After my interview with the Lt. Colonel (2nd and Congressional Investigation) a couple of weeks ago, I requested and recieved BOTH investigation reports. Meaning the investigation that occurred while I was still on the island and the current one.
    I had already been informed by the LtCol during the current investigation that many/most of my fellow recruits (whom of course have now graduated), had either denied or minimized the abuse I reported.
    So I wasn’t exactly blindsided with anything earth-shattering however, I still found it quiter disappointing again.
    The good news is that many of the ‘denials’ are conflicting in themselves. Of course, the main offending DI adamantly denied he’d ever stuck anyone with anything OR used profanity whatsoever. Achem! Seriously? He claimed that in regards to the clipboard incident in the head that he’might have accidently “brushed” someone with the clipboard when he turned while giving the instruction. Really?
    The even better news is that a Gunny (recruiter) heard rumors about the abuse in my platoon and sat down with his 3 recruits to question them. He said all 3 immediately dropped their heads and refused to make further eye contact with him. He said said their body language said a lot and that it was the reaction of someone who has been abused and is ashamed.
    It took a some time but he finally got them to start talking. All 3 wrote detailed reports of the abuse they either observed or experienced personally. Most of what they wrote about was after my departure. All 3 admitted they had been or observed fellow recruits being hit, drop-kicked, kicked and other forms of abuse.
    When asked why they had not reported this the first time or sooner, all 3 said the SDI had warned them that what happened in the squad bay stayed in the squad bay. They were afraid of retaliation in the form of physical and/or mental abuse as well as possibly being kept from graduating. One even said that since everyone else was getting hit, kicked or abused in some fashion, he thought it was “normal” and that this was the “way it was in the MOVIES”.
    These 3 guys can truly say they ARE the Few and the Proud. Even if their validations of my allegations came too late for me, they still found the courage to come through at the end of the day.
    It is my hope that more will come forward and do the right thing but I really don’t look for that to happen since the LtCol told each one of them that NOW was the time to tell the truth and their prior statements would not be hald against them. Now, I suppose they could be charged with perjury.
    I have not received any notice of the actions to be taken, yet. I will update everyone as soon as I know anything further.
    I also want to especially thank those of you who have been supportive and even those who have not. Everyone counts in my book.

  • SanguineSaint21

    I apologize in advance for such a long post. I’m just a simple kid getting ready to ship out. I was looking for boot camp advice and stumbled upon this, so this recruit figured that this recruit would make a “quick” post (J.K.) Though I know what you’ve been through isn’t a joke. 
    I love the Marine Corps from what I’ve seen, and the solemn pride I feel is immeasurable. I haven’t even done anything yet so I can’t imagine how it will feel to hold the Eagle Globe and Anchor.
    While I love the USMC and I can’t say I would have done what you’ve done (ihateDIs89) ,because I haven’t been in that position, I don’t think by any measure you are a/an (add expletive here) of any type for what your doing. I do think however that its unfair to completely discount the bravery and tradition of so many over so long a history. 
    There are good men and bad men, simple as that. Both of my brothers are Army, and they tell me all the time that they have COs and even DIs that they would die for, and some they would rather see die. I know that if my brother had gone through what you went through in BC, he would have had some things to say to the DIs during the range. If you knew my brother you’d know this isn’t an exaggeration. While I know thats Army, it still applies to the Corps. 
    To stereotype the entire USMC seems a bit harsh, but going through what you did maybe you deserve to be a little harsh, who am I to say. 
    From what I’ve seen (and my lack of Marine Corps experience can’t be stressed enough.) the essence of being a Marine is standing up for your country, the Corps and the men at your side, and most importantly yourself. All Marines are taught self-reliance as well as being part of a team.
    That moment when they hand you the EGA is meant to say welcome to a brotherhood. You better believe that if either of my older brothers hit me in the head with a clipboard or kicked me down the stairs that there would be words and actions to follow.
    I understand rank structure and chain of command, but this is based on reciprocated respect. Same principle as a salute. ihateDIs89 did take an oath just like any other Marine or recruit, but this was based on the fact of being treated with some degree of respect, yes even recruits deserve some measure of respect, no matter how miniscule.
    The Marine Corps didn’t let you down ihateDIs89. Not by the Few and the Proud, but by the few and the shamed. Dig in to those DIs with everything you’ve got and let justice be done if Old Testament is your style, but I hope you don’t look down on the entire group of men and women  I’ve tried so hard to be a part of. 
    First your men then your Marines. If your DIs weren’t much of men to begin with, seems obvious they turned out to be such worthless Marines. I don’t know them and I don’t know you, but I know what it means to be an honorable man and I plan on being one hell of a Marine! So if someone’s idea of a good Marine is one that lets him or herself get smacked around like a rabid mutt then maybe they were never a Devil Dog to begin with.
    Marine Corps training is supposed to be tuff, but allowing yourself to get smacked in the head by a clipboard and kicked down the stairs isn’t tuff and its definitely not courageous, but in fact its the epitome of cowardice. It most definitely doesn’t prepare you for combat. Show me one Marine that will say “Good thing my DIs kicked me down the stairs in boot camp, otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to take this piece of IED shrapnel for my country” The sad truth is (and again my lack of experienced truly can’t be stressed enough) YOU CANNOT BE TRAINED FOR COMBAT!!! Anyone that thinks otherwise is a bigger idiot than me. 
    Boot camp is to train you to be a good disciplined Marine, not for combat. You can’t be trained for taking (or giving) a bullet mentally or physically. Its to train your mind to make decisions in a chaotic storm of hell, not to sit there and “take it like a man”.
    I wouldn’t allow such dishonor to be in the Marine corps I’m trying to join, any Marine that does isn’t being faithful to the Corps. I understand a veterans need to stand up for the Corps and each and every Marine, trust me, I do. An attack on a Marine is an attack on the Corps, the corps that they fought to be a part of for God and country. Being faithful to the Corps doesn’t mean hooking these DIs up by defending them, in fact quite the opposite. You stand up for those who are Always Faithful, not the men who have forgotten and forsaken what it means to be a Marine. Honor Courage and Commitment, Semper Fidelis to the Corps.
    Good luck to you ihateDIs89. And remember, I don’t know you, I don’t know them, I don’t know the situation, I only know what’s right and what’s wrong. From the sound of it your doing the right thing, and the right thing is courageous in my book. It is a little girly to have your mom defend you though, J.K. brother, she sounds like a great woman and a wonderful mom. I hope you find what you’re looking for and maybe even give the military (whatever branch) another shot. The military is the only way to go in my opinion. Once again, sorry for such an unholy long post, sitting at home with a free day. 

    God bless each and every Marine (All Armed Forces for Good for that matter)(past, present, and future) and God bless the United States of America. Thanks to all the Marines who have posted here, and all the ones that haven’t. Your service is immeasurable and there is a special place in heaven for you all. I LOVE THE USMC! 

    Semper Fidelis

  • SanguineSaint21

    I apologize in advance for such a long post. I’m just a simple kid getting ready to ship out. I was looking for boot camp advice and stumbled upon this, so this recruit figured that this recruit would make a “quick” post (J.K.) Though I know what you’ve been through isn’t a joke. 
    I love the Marine Corps from what I’ve seen, and the solemn pride I feel is immeasurable. I haven’t even done anything yet so I can’t imagine how it will feel to hold the Eagle Globe and Anchor.
    While I love the USMC and I can’t say I would have done what you’ve done (ihateDIs89) ,because I haven’t been in that position, I don’t think by any measure you are a/an (add expletive here) of any type for what your doing. I do think however that its unfair to completely discount the bravery and tradition of so many over so long a history. 
    There are good men and bad men, simple as that. Both of my brothers are Army, and they tell me all the time that they have COs and even DIs that they would die for, and some they would rather see die. I know that if my brother had gone through what you went through in BC, he would have had some things to say to the DIs during the range. If you knew my brother you’d know this isn’t an exaggeration. While I know thats Army, it still applies to the Corps. 
    To stereotype the entire USMC seems a bit harsh, but going through what you did maybe you deserve to be a little harsh, who am I to say. 
    From what I’ve seen (and my lack of Marine Corps experience can’t be stressed enough.) the essence of being a Marine is standing up for your country, the Corps and the men at your side, and most importantly yourself. All Marines are taught self-reliance as well as being part of a team.
    That moment when they hand you the EGA is meant to say welcome to a brotherhood. You better believe that if either of my older brothers hit me in the head with a clipboard or kicked me down the stairs that there would be words and actions to follow.
    I understand rank structure and chain of command, but this is based on reciprocated respect. Same principle as a salute. ihateDIs89 did take an oath just like any other Marine or recruit, but this was based on the fact of being treated with some degree of respect, yes even recruits deserve some measure of respect, no matter how miniscule.
    The Marine Corps didn’t let you down ihateDIs89. Not by the Few and the Proud, but by the few and the shamed. Dig in to those DIs with everything you’ve got and let justice be done if Old Testament is your style, but I hope you don’t look down on the entire group of men and women  I’ve tried so hard to be a part of. 
    First your men then your Marines. If your DIs weren’t much of men to begin with, seems obvious they turned out to be such worthless Marines. I don’t know them and I don’t know you, but I know what it means to be an honorable man and I plan on being one hell of a Marine! So if someone’s idea of a good Marine is one that lets him or herself get smacked around like a rabid mutt then maybe they were never a Devil Dog to begin with.
    Marine Corps training is supposed to be tuff, but allowing yourself to get smacked in the head by a clipboard and kicked down the stairs isn’t tuff and its definitely not courageous, but in fact its the epitome of cowardice. It most definitely doesn’t prepare you for combat. Show me one Marine that will say “Good thing my DIs kicked me down the stairs in boot camp, otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to take this piece of IED shrapnel for my country” The sad truth is (and again my lack of experienced truly can’t be stressed enough) YOU CANNOT BE TRAINED FOR COMBAT!!! Anyone that thinks otherwise is a bigger idiot than me. 
    Boot camp is to train you to be a good disciplined Marine, not for combat. You can’t be trained for taking (or giving) a bullet mentally or physically. Its to train your mind to make decisions in a chaotic storm of hell, not to sit there and “take it like a man”.
    I wouldn’t allow such dishonor to be in the Marine corps I’m trying to join, any Marine that does isn’t being faithful to the Corps. I understand a veterans need to stand up for the Corps and each and every Marine, trust me, I do. An attack on a Marine is an attack on the Corps, the corps that they fought to be a part of for God and country. Being faithful to the Corps doesn’t mean hooking these DIs up by defending them, in fact quite the opposite. You stand up for those who are Always Faithful, not the men who have forgotten and forsaken what it means to be a Marine. Honor Courage and Commitment, Semper Fidelis to the Corps.
    Good luck to you ihateDIs89. And remember, I don’t know you, I don’t know them, I don’t know the situation, I only know what’s right and what’s wrong. From the sound of it your doing the right thing, and the right thing is courageous in my book. It is a little girly to have your mom defend you though, J.K. brother, she sounds like a great woman and a wonderful mom. I hope you find what you’re looking for and maybe even give the military (whatever branch) another shot. The military is the only way to go in my opinion. Once again, sorry for such an unholy long post, sitting at home with a free day. 

    God bless each and every Marine (All Armed Forces for Good for that matter)(past, present, and future) and God bless the United States of America. Thanks to all the Marines who have posted here, and all the ones that haven’t. Your service is immeasurable and there is a special place in heaven for you all. I LOVE THE USMC! 

    Semper Fidelis

  • Richard

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    • madmike1968

      I thought marine corps boot camp was stupid more than tough. in fact I wouldn’t hesitate to call it the most inept,unprofessional,half assed job training ever. I like to call it 12 days of intense training shoved into 12 weeks. My complaint about it was the purpose of the training was to make slaves not warriors and sheep instead of men. think about it…if the corps wanted warriors they would tell you to fight back and treat the d.i.’s the way they treat you. But to be honest I never saw a d.i. beat a recruit…just slapping and pushing, that was it.

  • Cloud

    i know this is an old forum but ill be 17 this march and i am more excited about joining the marines than i think i ever have of anything before. i 100% hope and expect it to be everything you have all said. the marines have the title of THE FEW AND THE PROUD FOR A REASON. they did not get that title for doing what every other branch does.what the fuck are you joining the marines for. if its not hard and the absolute best, i would not want to join it. if i cant make it then i cant. but that’s what make it stand out for those who do. and the strain is what makes you look back at your accomplishments. you have to remember the dIs all did exactly what you did at one point and they are only doing what they think will make us the best marines possible. why do you think they are here responding to you. they are looking for pre-recruit questions to better understand and help us get our questions answered. they may be hard but do you think getting deployed is easy. what about carrying a 70+ pound pack of equipment when you used to think 30 was hard. honestly you seem more like the army type.(no offense army people). boot camp even has a tradition going. marines look at new recruits and laugh at what they are about to go through. and then we will. its part of the Your so fucked thing they have going on. i never knew they did this type of stuff but i know they don’t just do it for shits and giggles and the more challenging it seems the more it inspires me. i studied the front and back of everything asvab and i workout weekly. i wont ever be ready but i know that people have made it with far less. i just gotta keep my head high,scream loud and do everything that the drill Sergent asks down to the teeth along with relying on my fellow recruits to help me and i should do fine.

    good luck with your case, i hope you have fun in the army.

    • Jonfranks

      It’s not about the 3 months in bootcamp. It’s about the 3 years and 9 months after…

      Good luck.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Have you ever read about the Stanford Prison Experiment, or any similar research? I can tell you from researching that, as well as from first hand experience working on a recruit depot, that D.I.s do in fact do a lot of that stuff “for shits and giggles”. They do it because they’re in a position of authority, and you’re not. They do it because they get bored of the monotony of D.I. life. But most of all they do it because they’re not supposed to ever let you relax, and they need to find some creative way of doing it. Yeah some of it has training value, but most of it is completely pointless.

      In all reality you’re probably more than ready for boot camp. marine corps boot camp really is about 13 days of training, spread out over 13 weeks.

      Safety and Peace

    • anotherjoeisalliam

      the marines are the few and the proud because that is their slogan. i do take offense to the comments here, seven years with the army and i can carry your 70 pound ruck as well as mine as far as you want me to! what makes the marines the best? NOTHING!!! the best are SEALS ,SPEC OPS, RANGERS, oh and the BEST marines would be FORCE RECON MARINES. Just completeing boot camp is not a claim to be the best… complete the seven month Spec Ops Course then ill give you a pat on the back, until then you are just another marine!

  • amanda

    HEY. i dont know who you are but i really hope you can contact me somehow… I just got back from parris island about 3 days ago. i was a hopeful poolee and now ive come back somewhat damaged…..i lasted about two weeks…i realized what torture was in store for me and i literally cracked. i was set on suicide and confessed so to my rackmate. she tried to calm me down but to no avail. i was sent to a psych ward and they didnt bother to help me, really just went through the motions. i went to rsp and was sent home in about two more weeks. im home and i couldnt feel more awful. i still think about killing myself about 5 times a day….i mean the marine corps was my dream in life. and….i love the marine corps from the outside, but seeing the inside behind the scenes disgusted me.

    i feel so bad for my recruiter because my enlistment took about 2 years since i had a history of cutting and had to apply for many waivers. i waisted everyones time, and i failed and i quit and i let them break me.

    any advice?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Don’t feel bad. I know that’s easy for me to say, but seriously: don’t. You’ve been given a rare gift deary: You gotten to see what the marine corps is really like, without getting trapped inside of it for 4 years. It takes most people several months to figure that out, and by that time they’re trapped for the rest of their enlistment.

      There’s nothing dishonorable about not finishing boot camp. I know the recruiters, and D.I.s may make it seem like it is, but really, you said it yourself: “I love the marine corps from the outside, but seeing the inside behind the scenes disgusted me,” When you got past the facade of propaganda and actually saw how things worked, you realized that the marine corps wasn’t the dream you thought it was.

      On another note, if you like, I can get your email off the site and we could continue the conversation that way.

      Keep your chin up, it’s not the end of the world, I promise.

      Safety and Peace

    • sgt no name

      There is nothing wrong. The USMC is not for everyone and there is no dishonor in your situation. Some people can’t handle it and that doesn’t make you a weak person. Find your passion and move on.
      I hate Marines that tell you otherwise. They say it’s a dishonor not to finish boot camp or to quit. I say bullshit. As a matter of fact, I’d rather see the Marines letting recruits quit- if they can’t hack 13 wks, what makes them think they can hack it in the fleet? These types of Marines usually rip on other armed services and call Marines the elite of the elite. However, they are in favor of keeping graduation rates high by pushing those that have no business on becoming Marines become one. I can’t think of any ‘elite’ organization that does that!
      This is the problem in the USMC. Pushing people through who have no business through enlistment or ripping those that tried but failed.

    • lcplJanine89

      Amanda, I am a LCPL female. I think this is a blessing (not in disguise). While I was at Parris Island, I felt like I was put in a maximum security prison, where the inmates ran the prison. You can imagine the stuff that occurs to women at Parris. I won’t get into what happened to me while I was there, I haven’t processed it all yet and still dealing with it, but a lot of my fellow female marines expeienced the types of sexual assault most commonly associated with prison gangs. You do the math. You did nothing wrong, You should feel happy to have escaped the horrors that would no doubt befall you. In the marines, I learned how to keep my bodily fluids to a minimum for fear of using the latrine and getting raped. I tried to look as unattractive as I could and to bind my breasts and too look as anti feminine as I could but i realized it isn’t about that. The whole system is geared to abuse both men and women. Get better, one day you will see the bright light at the end of the tunnel. Go to counseling, there are many support groups for people like us (current or former military personnel) As for me I AM STUCK IN A HELL HOLE CALLED USMC U SIGNED the MOTHERFKN CONTRACT….. 3 more years….. I feel so depressed and ashamed that I chose this path instead of a university scholarship at a prestigious university. I wish I could go back home to Hawaii. Get some sleep and tomorrow will be a better day and I hope in some way I can help someone else NOT join the marines.

      • S.

        Thank you for sharing this. I know things will be better eventually. If you have any problems please let us know, we will help you.

        • lcplJanine89

          Sure thing, will do! thank you guyS and keep up the good work-
          -Janine

    • GM

      If you did the best you could you did not fail. Failure is never having applkied yourself at all

  • PFC Bentley

    I just completed Marine Corps bootcamp about 7 months ago. It was hell, but to be honest I’m extremely happy to have finished it, and the difficulty made the reward so much sweeter. My body tried to cry at the Eagle Globe and Anchor ceremony, but I was so dehydrated that I honestly couldn’t. As my Master Gunnery Sergeant says about boot-camp, “I would have honestly done nothing else, but wouldn’t want to do it again. ” I feel the same way, if I went back in time I would have still done it.

  • Roger francetti mozzelli delli

    you have made me more excited to go now. i leave in September for boot.

    • S.

      Just remember. Now that you know, you can’t complain later.

      Good luck my friend.

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        He can still complain later, he just can’t say he wasn’t forewarned. Have fun Kiddo, we’ll see you back here in a year or two.

  • PooleeSmall

    “I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support
    and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
    foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
    the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the
    United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me,
    according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.”

    After reading this all enlisted and even civilian should
    understand what this means. For ihateDIs89, the enemy at hand for him
    and other recruits were the D.I’s. They were defending their rights
    against a domestic enemy. A domestic enemy could lead all the way up
    the chain of command to the President of the United States. All
    recruits should know or have a stern grasp of what they are entering
    when the go to Recruit Training. I understand as myself being a
    recently enlisted and on my way to becoming a United States Marine. I
    understand as should all that hazing may take part in training;
    however, if it is obviously too far than what it should be than it is
    against the code if I do understand. For instance hazing in Recruit
    Training is acceptable through the DI and DI only, and for only the
    purpose to motivate and push a recruit mentally and physically. Nor
    should said hazing harm a recruit physically or mentally. Once
    Recruit Training has ended all hazing is against the Marine Corps
    Order 1700.28. This is information I have acquired through my own
    research and through the information from my recruiter.

    Therefore,
    to all those who do not know the rules or blatantly ignore them you
    do not deserve your title. I do not care that I am not a Marine yet.
    It makes no difference to me. We all strive for the same goal of
    being the best of the best. The few, the proud. If we all hold
    ourselves to such high standards than why not follow them. If you
    cannot follow the UCMJ, the Oath, the Core Values, and the General
    Orders and just as well have the decency and common courtesy to
    respect another human being than you should not hold yourself so high
    on your so called pedestal.

    I am fully aware that as Marines
    we will endure pain and strife. It is not an easy road. That is
    something I accept. However, I will not except blatant disrespect and
    abuse from no one.

    To give you a background of my childhood. I came from an abusive
    family environment. My stepfather beat my mom and one day he beat.
    Only once did he though. I sought out to never let people take
    advantage of anyone, no matter who it is. I don’t care who you are ,
    what you believe, where you are from, but if you wrong anyone I will
    not go unspoken. If it ever comes while I am at Recruit Training and
    anything happens like ihateDIs89 I will do the same as him. I will
    stand up and do what is right. No matter if I finish Recruit Training
    or not. In the end all that matters is that I did the what I knew was
    right.

    That is all I have to say.

    • OldieButGoodie

      Honor. Because the recruiters tell the truth when they say this nonsense doesn’t happen.

      Courage. Because it takes real balls to break training policy when your officers aren’t around.

      Commitment. Because you’re locked into a contract.

  • [Expletives Removed by Moderator]. Earning the title of Marine isn’t something you take lightly and you should have understood what you were joining and better prepared yourself for entering the Marine Corps. Do not blame the Marine Corps for your weakness

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      You know what, I like you. So, I’m going to try to help you learn something that you clearly failed to learn in Boot Camp. Here’s a copy of the marine corps’ “leadership” traits and principles: http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/usmc/usmcleadership.pdf

      Now, if you would be so kind, look up at that list of 8 abuses above and tell me exactly which leadership trait or principle was being applied in any one of the cases. As you should be able to see, if you take what marine corps leadership is SUPPOSED to be, and you compare it to the 8 examples above, you must realize that this is not a case of “blaming the marine corps for his own weakness”. This is a case of blaming the marine corps for failing to live up to its own standards.

      My question to you is this: If the drill instructors – the people who’s job it is to train the next generation of marines – drag the “title” through the mud by constantly and consistently failing to live up to the marine corps’ own expectations, then where on earth do you get off saying that “earning” the “title” isn’t something to be taken lightly? If the marines who hold that “title” can’t live up to the expectations placed upon someone who holds it, then that “title” isn’t worth the nametape it’s stitched on.

      Safety and Peace

      • S.

        I love you.

      • Stopwhining

        It is clear by your response that you have never served as a Marine Corps Drill Instructor. You say that “This is a case of blaming the marine corps for failing to live up to its own standards.” You say this like every Marine within the Corp is a bad apple. I will be the first to say that there are bad Marines in every rank, but to make such a blanket statement tells me that either you have never been a Marine or did not get your way if you did. As I agree with you that no were within Marine Corps policy and doctrine does it give the right to any Marine in abusing another. I have served the Corps for 20 honorable years, as a Drill Instructor for enlisted recruits and Sergeant Instructor at Officer candidate school. I have witnessed Marines abuse recruits and then be held accountable under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So before you ramble on and make negative remarks about the Corps do your homework; since you just sound like a recruit who didn’t cut it at boot camp.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          For starters, I’d really love to know exactly why it matters if I was a D.I. or not. Does it make their behavior any more or less acceptable? If not, I’m just going to dismiss it as a red herring and move on.

          Now then, how exactly did you interpret what I said as a blanket statement about individual marines? Did you even read the post, or my response to it? D.I.s smacking a recruit in the face with a clip board, D.I.s spartan kicking a recruit into his rack, etc etc. if this isn’t a case of the marine corps failing to live up to it’s own standards, I don’t know what you’d call it! I’m not accusing every marine of being a bad apple. Statistically speaking, it’d be impossible to make that case. What I am saying, is that the marine corps as an institution is a bad barrel, such that most anything that is put into it comes out a bit worse than it went in. (There’s actually a lot of psychological evidence to support this position.)

          I must say though, for a 20-year guy you sound rather naive. Honestly, someone get’s NJPed, what’s the first thing the SNCO’s say to the Sgts? “Make sure your guys aren’t doing this, because we know that if one guy was doing it, a whole squad was doing it! It’s never just one… etc. etc.” So as a 20-year guy you should definitely know that for every D.I. that was “held accountable”, ten more got away with the exact same thing. So before you accuse me of not doing my “homework” or sounding like I was never in the marines (believe me, I would gladly admit to that if it were the case), you should reevaluate your own position, because it really doesn’t hold water.

          Safety and Peace

          • Jake

            Um while I agree with you that the things you mentioned are wrong, I believe you are incorrect in stating that it is the “Marine Corps failing to live up to it’s own standards”… It is the individual Marines that are failing to live up to the Corps’s standards, not the entirety of the Corps it self.

          • S.

            To be fair, it’s not just one person either. It’s a whole lot of people. A whole lot of people with rank.

            We all know that the MC is just a group of people, so when you say “the MC”, you actually mean the people that make up the MC.
            The MC is not a thing. It’s a group of people. A whole bunch of those people are fucktards. Does that make sense?

  • Sgt No Name

    People fail to differentiate between training and abuse. Abuse is simply projecting power at the person. Training is a leadership skill design to prepare the person for the rigors of combat. Here is a dummy proof example:
    In MCMAP, you conduct contact sparring sessions followed by getting sprayed in the face with OC and having to engage multiple targets. As harsh as it sounds, this prepares you to fight in extreme conditions and discomfort.

    Now, here is the example of abuse which has no training applications:
    You are lined up in formation and since you didn’t ‘sound off’ loud enough, you get socked in the face. How does this pertain to training for combat? None. The higher ranking guy socks you in the face simply because he is in a position to project power.

  • Trev

    Wow dude you are such a bitch. BOOTCAMP IS SUPPOSED TO BE EXTREMELY HARD! When I went in I wanted to get tucked up cuz it would make me harder! You baby ass bitch loser had to go complain to mommy and ruin it for everyone else. You’re not even a man your a little girl who needs his mommy when things get too scary cuz you’re weak and won’t put up.

    • S.

      As someone who has gone through bootcamp, I find it silly that you think it was hard. Sounds like you went through bootcamp for a false ego boost. If bootcamp was so hard, then we wouldnt have so many retards becoming Marines!

      I mean seriously. If you were a Marine you know what I am talking about. You have SEEN the retards. Those retards pick up rank too! Shit is not hard…

  • Brian

    When I went through USMC recruit training in San Diego the first thing I learned was that the quickest way OUT of boot camp was to survive boot camp. So many recruits got dropped to PRP and got to stay weeks, sometimes months, to be picked up by another platoon. Boot camp isnt supposed to be easy. I went in knowing full well the mind games that would be involved. Luckily I was a few years older than many of the other recruits and had a helluva lot more maturity than some of the dipshits in my platoon. The whole point of boot camp is to break you down and then build you up according to their guidelines. They can only break you down to the point you LET them break you down. The Marines gave me many opportunities in life that I would not have had otherwise. I got a degree in biology with my GI Bill and am in my 3rd year of pharmacy school. Not bad for a 0311 jarhead =) Anyone contemplating the Marines needs to know what they are getting into but, if you can hack it, it is worth the opportunities it affords you.

    Semper fi,
    Brian C

  • Madball

    Is this joke? Let me fill you in on a little secret. Bootcamp is not the Marine Corps. How in the hell did you ever expect to get deployed to a war zone if you can’t handle some IT? Honestly now that Iraq is over and Afghanistan is winding down, the peacetime Corps is more like a 9-5 job. Bottom line, you missed out on a great opportunity that could have made your life much easier when you were older if you had just stuck it out. You were just young and scared, and this is your way of coping with it. Whatever. I feel really sorry for you, honestly.

    • S.

      Were you a marine? Everybody knows that garrison in peacetime is where the most fucked up shit happens… Being deployed is when you have the most freedom and people fuck with you the least. Being in Iraq was much easier and favorable to me than being in bootcamp. I think most marines would agree.

      So I ask again. Did you even serve?

      And when is joining the military over college EVER better? I feel really sorry for you, honestly.

  • OldieButGoodie

    OP, I went through much of the same. Far from being a modern-day knighthood, it was more like getting jumped into a gang. We had to wear each others’ underwear after PT (skidmarks and all). We got beat all the time. One of my DIs hit me hard enough to cause an aneurysm and I nearly died. In his following platoon, that same DI broke a kid’s arm amongst other things… and he was the least violent of my DIs. We were starved. They would send us through the chow line, and then give the command to eat and stop at the same time. We would then have to dump full, uneaten trays of food in the trash. Not one bite taken.

    Here’s what you do OP: you forgive the Corps and your DIs. Know that they’re either broken people or that they were doing the best that they knew how to do at the time. Then you move on with your life. Don’t define yourself by your horrific experiences. Define yourself by your good ones, and by your accomplishments. Don’t feel bad about not getting the title. If your DIs were supposed to be the best the Corps had to offer, then you don’t want such a title.

    Move on. Don’t talk about boot camp to new people, because it will make it seem like you’re dwelling on the negative events in your life. Focus on making positive events happen, and then dwell on those. 🙂

    • S.

      Very solid advice. Thank you for sharing man.

  • Brandicat3

    Im a female marine and we were spit on, smacked, pushed down, denied chow, denied showers and use of the bathroom. We were punched thrown into walls forced to eat hard granola bars after having our wisdom teeth cut out, were not allowed to take our meds for the removal of 4 wisdom teeth even after our mouth was filled with blood from eating the hard food right after the procedure. We were made to do much worse things too. Yes it was bullshit but it was also bootcamp now marine corps boot camp is a joke. I went into the corps in 2004 now it is so much easier and the DI’s have to be soft because of cry babies who could not take it mentally and physically!!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Would you care to explain to the class exactly how being spit on, smacked around, and being forced to eat granola bars after having your wisdom teeth removed made you a better marine? Would you like to enlighten us on how you’re a better person because of those specific incidents and how you wouldn’t be the same person you are today if they hadn’t happened?

      Yes it’s bootcamp. We know. The point is to train people, not to abuse them. If you can honestly defend these actions as having made you a better person, then I can’t help but wonder why we’re not thanking Mr. Ariel Castro and his brothers ( http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/escaped-cleveland-woman-amanda-berry-real-hero-kidnapping-141444873.html ) for their obvious efforts to better these women.

      Safety and Peace

    • Futuremarine

      Thank you everyone else on here is acting like pussies

      • S.

        Elaborate.

      • FailedToAdapt

        . Anyone who signs a military contract knows that there is a possibility of going into harms way and dying but some (not everyone) personally choose to do so for a greater purpose–the protection of freedom. I ask you what is so noble about abuse and suffering. I think that is an important philosophical question that anyone saying being fucked with by so called “leaders” is satisfactory should ask themselves. Why do people say “support our troops”, but let these instances knowingly happen, even encourage them? I don’t know about you but I would like to treat people who are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice with the respect they deserve. Letting this stuff happen and calling anyone who disagrees with it a “pussy” symbolically tramples on the graves of people like Dan Somers, Pat Tillman, Robbie Miller and countless others lost in conflicts past and present. They didn’t sacrifice themselves because they wanted people to suffer. They died so people could enjoy and celebrate life. Read about SSGT Robbie Miller (MOH recipient-Afghan.) He was a great person before he joined, the trials of bootcamp did not make him a cut above. He most definitely was not great because he accepted abuse. 22 Americans are alive because of his sacrifice. Read about Corporal Jason Dunham, USMC (MOH recipient Iraq). His subordinates loved him because he protected them from hazing. That man won a lot loyalty for caring for his men. If you want to make America and the world a better place treat people like equals because we are all created equally by God, the Universe or whatever you believe in. Encouraging abuse and violence does not render you a hero. Please think about this long and hard before you sign that contract Futuremarine.

  • Motard

    Boot camp graduation rates are high at 90%. 10-15% on average don’t graduate on time but eventually do so (mostly due to injuries or failing, ie swim or rifle qual). Around 1-3% totally fail (failure to train or injured beyond repair).
    I remember as a recruit, DIs keep preaching, ‘The fastest way out of boot camp is graduation.’ Though it’s a good motivation factor, it didn’t take long to figure out that this is how the recruit training regiment operates. It should be obvious that weed out recruits is the least of the regiments goal. My DIs didn’t look too please about those goals. In their minds, if we can’t even hack something as simple as boot camp, you won’t survive the USMC and deployments.
    It can be stated that boot camp coddles the weak and incompetent. At my unit, I have to deal with new Marines that either can’t speak correctly or can’t pass the pft. Quitting is harder than graduation. What type of elite unit has that mentality? Certain aspects of boot camp were harder than others but as a whole, it was easy.

  • sanitarium474

    I know i am going to catch a lot of flack over this but i also quit basic training i was not in the Marines i was in the Air Force. I know people will start calling me names on here and i will only agree with the fact that AF bmt is not hard. I quit because i was not mentally stable to be there. I have always been an anxious kid never left my home before leaving to air force training. While i was there i just noticed i was not learning like all the other trainees i was lost and had no idea what the hell was going on. And that is when i started to break down mentally. I got very anxious and scared i had no idea what could happen to me, I lost all self esteem and confidence and I really put myself down. I also thought back how in school i was told i had learning disabilities and wondered if that affected my ability to learn. All this gave me anxiety and felt like i would be in training for months or even a year. I got very depressed and wanted to get out i figured if i cant handle this i will not be able to handle a deployment. With my history of anxiety i also feared that i could be very vulnerable and end up with PTSD one day. Getting out was the best thing i did for my mental health. I came back home and was suicidal for the first few months i was given meds but never used them. The best thing to do is move forward and enjoy the piece of mind you receive when you dont have to take orders from people.Enjoy not being forced to wake up at a certain time or having to risk your life. Live in peace get back to work study and go to school for something you love. before people call me a pussy maybe i am one or maybe im not as lucky as you for having anxiety and possibly ADHD. Either way i got out and although sometimes i miss the air force i know it is not for me and my talents are better fit elsewhere.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Welcome to the site. Let me just say that the vast majority of contributors on this site won’t have an ill word to say about you. There are very few people on this site who do want to give you flack for your post.

      That being said, feel free to post whenever you like. You’re still more than welcome even though you didn’t sign the marine contract.

      Safety and Peace

      NINJA_PUNCH

  • Futuremarine

    You are the reason they have boot camp in the marine corps, if you couldn’t just get over the “bullshit” as you call it you shouldn’t be in combat as a marine.

    • Iactuallyservedbitch

      Says a poolie? Are you fucking kidding me?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      So let me see if I have this straight: If he had just stood there and put up with being abused in boot camp, it would’ve made him a good marine?

      Can you imagine what would happen if marines actually applied this sort of logic in combat?

      “Sergeant! We’re taking fire!” “Quit whining boot! Why don’t you just be a man and deal with it!”

      Every marine in the corps would’ve been slaughtered long ago.

      The fact that “ihateDIs89” was discharged for choosing not to tolerate abuse does not implicate himself as a failure; it implicates his Drill Instructors, and his Commanders for their choice to value personnel abuse and power-trips over training.

      Safety and Peace

      • disqus_xuFDf3Jr8f

        That last sentence, safety and peace really sums it up. You have zero knowledge of what it means to be a United States Marine and you never will. The reason your able to spew propaganda like this is because of the United States Marine Corps. You don’t know what its like to spend your days training to go to war, where one mistake can cost you and other Marines your lives. But I guess after nearly 20 years you know better than I do don’t you? Maybe you ought to exercise your freedoms on a topic your actually knowledgeable about.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Oh my goodness you’re cute.

          I’m going to start off by handing you one bullet, one point that you can keep hammering on to make yourself seem more knowledgable about the marine corps than I am: You’ve been in for almost 16 years longer than I was.

          That being said, your “you have zero knowledge… etc etc” is completely unfounded. I’ve been a marine. I know what that means. I trained to go to war, I’ve gone to Afghanistan, I’ve came back, I’ve been honorably discharged. To say that I know nothing shows just how ignorant you are for imagining that every person who ever was in the marine corps is as willing to be brainwashed by marine corps propaganda as you are.

          Now then Mr. 20-year man, when’s the last time that you spent your days training for war with something more dangerous than a stapler? You did what, your first seven years in peacetime, went to Afghanistan a couple of times – probably as a Sgt – then made staff and never left the wire again? Does that sound about right? You know, for all of your years in the marine corps, I’d be willing to wager that almost everything you think you know about warfare came out of a book.

          As for your next piece of nonsense – the notion that the marine corps somehow protects my ability to run this site – there’s nothing (other than your imagination) to support this idea. Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that – were it not for this miniature army called the marine corps – the US would’ve fallen? That of the over 1.4 million men and women in the military, somehow the 200,000 marines are the only thing stopping the US from being annihilated?

          Now, you’ve done a masterful job of continuing marine corps propaganda, yet I can’t help but notice that for all of your baseless assertions, you neglected to so much as address the content of the other post that I’ve addressed to you. I’ll restate: How would being hit in the face with a clipboard make you a better marine? How would being punched in the head with a carrying handle make you a better marine? How would being spartan-kicked right now make you a better marine?

          If you’re going to continue your desperate attempts at debating me, I would strongly recommend that you respond to the content of my arguments rather than making ad hominem attacks that I will then use to make you look foolish.

          Safety and Peace

          • S.

            I bet you 10 USMC Skate stickers that he doesn’t say shit in response. IF he does, it will be something along the lines of “based off of your opening sentence, I can tell you don’t know anything”.

            We have a deal?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            I’ll take that bet.

  • disqus_xuFDf3Jr8f

    Who in the hell joins the military, let alone my beloved United States Marine Corps, thinking or expecting boot camp to be easy? Boot camp is difficult for a reason. So you get yelled at, contrary to popular belief its not going to kill you. Just shut your suck hole and deal with it. So you got roughed up, well Boohoo. Are they supposed to stop the war because you got roughed up? If you think boot camp is tough today than you would have never made it when I went through. Granted that was in 94, but it was no where near as nice as it is today. The reason boot camp has changed is because of individuals such as the author of this story. Writing home, crying to mommy and now the drill instructors can’t get tough. Today’s youth are soft, flabby, weak momma’s boys. Don’t get me wrong, they are very smart but very very weak. I am absolutely sick and tired of dealing with daisy fresh Marines coming into my unit and looking completely lost. The reason they are lost is because drill instructors have to coddle these young men to keep them from completely breaking bc they got yelled at. And 9 and a half times out of ten, its bc of something they need to be corrected on. Its just very mind blowing how things have changed

    • f8rJ3fDFux

      Such a tough guy

      • disqus_xuFDf3Jr8f

        Just reading your comments tells me your either going to wash out of boot camp or you will go UA from your unit sometime in your first year

        • f8rJ3fDFux

          Oh really? You got all that just from my 4 word comment huh? Well, that itself tells ME something about YOU lol. It tells me that you are a fucking dipshit.

          • disqus_xuFDf3Jr8f

            I’ve been doing this for almost 20 years. But your right, what do I know

          • S.

            Time for me to jump in. Just because you have been arguing with people on the internet for 20 years does not mean that you know that someone is going to wash out of bootcamp because they called you out for being a toolbag.

          • disqus_xuFDf3Jr8f

            Look, another individual that doesn’t know what they are talking about

          • S.

            How did you even come to that conclusion? What are we even discussing that I allegedly don’t know anything about? You being a jerk?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      How many times do I have to say this?

      Abuse does not equal training!

      Nobody joins the marine corps expecting boot camp to be easy. 99% of marines are actually disappointed by how unbelievable easy it is. The difference is that they expected to be trained to the brink of exhaustion, and instead they get about 13 days worth of training in those 13 weeks and the rest of it is mindless nonsense at best and personnel abuse at worst. That being said, until you can explain to me exactly how getting kicked around, getting punched in the back of the head with a carrying handle, or getting smacked in the face with a clipboard would’ve made them better marines, you really don’t have a leg to stand on.

      Now as for your “Just shut your suck hole and deal with it.” line: Did you ever consider that maybe the reason that all of your new Marines are “soft, flabby, weak momma’s boys” is because they would’ve been kicked out of boot camp if they stuck up for themselves like men instead of just standing there and taking it like you would advise? Who knows maybe if recruits were allowed to stand up for themselves (or if D.I.s had enough discipline to not abuse their recruits) none of these problems would have happened in the first place.

      Safety and Peace

    • S.

      Are you saying that people should study less and work out more?

    • Sgt No Name

      Haha, my SOI instructors hated DIs. Let me tell you something. DIs these days are pressured to graduate recruits and they do. Some of the new Marines can’t make the hump on time. Some are dumb to the point where you wonder how they made it (even something Marine proof is rocket science to them). Take it up with the recruiting regiment because it’s the fault of the USMC for not letting DIs weed out recruits. 13 wks ain’t fixing 18 yrs of stupidity and disciplinary issues.

    • BMM

      Dude I graduated in November of 97 from PI and bootcamp was not hard at all. I was in 2nd Battalion and the experience I must say was a positive one. There was never a single instance of DIs abusing recruits. Our Dis were some of the most professional men I ever met in my life. There wasn’t any kind of physical or verbal abuse going on. There was a lot of concentration on training (especially, marching, LINE, and rifle drills) and very little mindless BS. As long as you arrived in decent shape and were willing to train and learn, bootcamp would be a fun experience. So please stop telling stories of how much tougher bootcamp was in the 90s when I know for a fact that it is not true. And unless you went through bootcamp now you cannot really make a comparison either.

      Also please do us a favor and stop knocking this generation of kids because most of them are not soft and flabby. In fact the typical 18 year old recruit today is in a lot better shape than the recruits of the 90s. In the 90s weight lifting and physical training was not as popular as it is today. Majority of the kids going into bootcamp today have been working out since they were 15 or 16, while most of the kids that joined in the 90s never really hit the gym.

      • fishman

        I would like you to cite your sources for your claim on the physical characteristics of a 90’s recruit vs. a 2000’s recruit. I can claim anything to be true on the internet, but without proof (polls, studies, etc.) it doesn’t mean squat. I trained in boot camp starting May of 1993. I can tell you, it was not an easy experience and it has become even more difficult (I think after 2000) because of the crucible. It is never an easy thing to go through culture shock (happens the first week) and train at a level that most people aren’t used to. I too had a positive experience, but there are certain tactics that drill instructors must employ (the same is true for good sports coaches) that will bring out of you a level of performance that you never knew you possessed. Every human on this planet will do only what is necessary most of the time. Organizations like the Marine Corps push you beyond what you think your limits are to show you that you can be so much more, and to this day I am amazed at the level of performance I was able to achieve both physically and mentally and that has stuck with me to this day.

        • freeatlastfreeatlast

          “What is necessary” means different things to different people. The shit bags always seemed to be the most ardent supporters of the Marine way of doing things, especially those that never served in combat. When I say the Marine way of doing things, I don’t mean the right way. I mean mindlessly parroting the commands of those higher than you, and being the bitch boy of said higher ups.

          It was always a surreal experience to be yelled at in a group for not having high enough PT scores by a fat ass that barely got a first class, being called a dumb ass by a guy with a GED, or being told to “stop drinkin an actin da fool” by an alcoholic.

          If you were amazed by the level of physical and mental activity you were able to bring out in the Marines, I’m sorry. Really, I’m sorry.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Yes because the marine corps would totally allow people into the training process so they could conduct a study! Getting accurate data out of the marine corps is about like getting accurate data out of North Korea. In both instances, actual facts would destroy their propaganda industry, which cannot be allowed.

          Now then, did you seriously just call the crucible difficult? I mean really, you don’t even have to pass all of the events. For that matter, you don’t have to complete ANY of the events. The vast majority of the time is spent hiking from one obstacle to the next, or just hiking because you need to fit a couple more miles in somewhere. Mentally, it could not possibly be any more dull. Physically – aside from hiking – it’s about as intense as one high school football practice, if you stretch it out over 54 hours. As for the hiking, after 11 weeks of either standing at attention, or marching, being able to walk around and not keep in step becomes very refreshing.

          Realistically the only way boot camp in the 1990’s could’ve been less physically challenging than boot camp in the 2000’s is if they didn’t have boot camp in the 1990’s. Seriously, that’s the only way.

          A basic day in boot camp: stand there, scream, keep standing there, keep screaming, run to one end of the building, run back, stand there, scream, scream more, scream again just for fun, unmake your bed, remake your bed, go outside for lunch/drill/class, come back, stand there, scream… repeat ad absurdum. What exactly did that bring out of you that you didn’t know you possessed? Were you just unaware that you were susceptible to Stockholm Syndrome? I can say with some confidence that the only limit you were routinely pushed beyond, is the limit of what about of meaningless b.s. you thought you would ever take from anyone.

          • freeatlastfreeatlast

            Nothing starts off a day better than a little whack-a-troll.

    • fishman

      OooohRah! and a huge Semper Fidelis! Civilians (and non-hacks) will never understand.

    • fishman

      I agree. I don’t think people realize the urgency in getting a human in condition for combat in only 12 weeks time. During WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, recruits didn’t go on to further infantry training like we do now. They were shoved right into battle after only 12 weeks or so of training. Guess what? The system worked, and they stuck with it, but yeah because of people like the one who wrote this article it has become somewhat soft, and yet we still get the job done thank God. People who complain about “abuse” in boot camp usually make it sound like a blood bath (like in this original article) when that is usually not the case. I saw a recruit forced to drink so much water he puked. Another recruit was dragged out of the rack in the middle of the night by a DI because earlier that day he had disrespected a DI. I was knocked in the head with the front site of my M16 A2 when a DI snatched it out of my hand while I was at present arms (the rifle is held directly in front of you with the magazine well facing the inspector and the sites facing the recruit/marine). Another recruit was ordered to hold a mail bag full of linen in front of him for what seemed like 15 minutes to a half hour. Many recruits who dropped out called this abuse and made it sound like a horror show (I say dropped out when it was really “dropped back” to a newer platoon, kind of like being held back in high school because you cannot perform at the level required). It wasn’t a blood bath. We lived through it just fine and it caused us to remember why we did the stupid thing we did to deserve that punishment. That’s where the foundation of discipline is laid, knowing the consequences of actions and learning from the experience and pushing through the hardship that the action had caused.

      I saw some mention by someone in an earlier reply talk about how difficult it was for a recruit to get out who didn’t want to be there. They make it very difficult because, for one thing, you made a commitment when you signed on the dotted line. Another reason it is difficult is because whether you know it or not, the DI knows that you can be much more than you can imagine and it is his or her duty to drag that out of you and show that to you so that you are more confident in the future in difficult situations. If they do happen to drop you (again, very difficult for good reason) I don’t remember what kind of discharge that resulted in, it may have been an other than honorable discharge, but I don’t believe it was a dishonorable discharge. I could be wrong about that. The only recruits that I have known to be released before graduation are those who had medical issues that just couldn’t be resolved. There are also cases where mentally unstable persons will go to the extreme to get out and that is unfortunate because there are avenues to get mental health help even in boot camp. Some people just can’t cope, and that’s okay, there are ways of helping them. One recruit shot himself in the foot on the rifle range one day while my platoon was snapping in (rifle aiming practice and breathing discipline). Unfortunately, at our rifle range the firing line was blacktop, so the round went through his boot and foot, hit the blacktop, and ricocheted back up into his boot further shredding his foot. That was a pretty rare case and a DI’s nightmare. Yeah he got out, but it was several months after his platoon graduated. The idea that the recruiter tries to make you understand (while also pulling car salesman-like tactics) is that once you are in, you are in and there is no getting out.

      I am glad that I stuck with it until graduation so many years ago because being on the parade deck after suffering through boot camp, knowing that you are now part of a family of elite warriors is a feeling I can’t even begin to describe. I thank God that I never saw combat, but I knew plenty of Marine brothers who did, and as tragic and horrifying that war is, not one of them ever complained because they knew they were serving a purpose higher than themselves.

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        I think the problem is that we DO realize the “urgency” in getting a human in condition for combat in only 12 weeks. I’m actually pretty sure that you’re the one who doesn’t get it. So let’s play a game: I’m going to start the sentence and you’re going to finish it.

        “A recruit forced to drink so much water he puked. This saved his life in combat because…”
        “Another recruit was dragged out of the rack in the middle of the night by a DI (Assuming that the recruit didn’t fight back) this better prepared him for combat because…”
        “I was knocked in the head with the front site of my M16 A2 when a DI snatched it out of my hands. This saved my life in combat because…”

        I think I’ve my made my point. Now then, if training is such an “urgent” task as you’ve already stated, then clearly they shouldn’t have time to waste on stupid games that don’t accomplish anything. They should be out there getting more practice with a rifle, more martial arts training, more physical training, heck, they might even have time to have everyone do a familiarity firing of a SAW with all of the time they currently waste doing nothing!

        No one here (at least to my knowledge) would have a problem with 12 weeks of intense training. The problem is that you go to boot camp and you don’t get anything like that. You get personnel abuse, you get hazing, you get marching around in circles, and then if there’s any time left over, you might get a little combat-relevant training.

        A final, related point: You claim to have graduated boot camp as a “part of a family of elite warriors” (I’m typing this through tears of laughter so bear with me). Meanwhile you defend the fact that it’s harder to drop out of boot camp than it is to graduate, saying that “they made a commitment” and it’s the DI’s job to pull the eliteness out of you (paraphrasing). You see, in real elite units (Navy Seals, Army Rangers, Snipers… and so on) the moment the instructors decide that you’re either not a good fit or you don’t want to be there, you’re gone. There’s none of this “He has potential so we’re going to force him through the system and hopefully drag all of that potential out of him”. No! They say “I have better things to do training people who want to be here! Go away!”

        Believe it or not, there’s actually a term for an “elite unit” that forces people to continue after they’ve lost all desire to be there. They’re called “mediocre units” and the marine corps is possibly the best example of one in history, simply because they don’t realize that they’re mediocre. Everyone in the marine corps loves to talk about being “first to fight”, but do you ever think about why the marine corps is the “first to fight”? It’s not because you’re “elite”. Think about it, if they throw in the “elite” guys first, and they get killed, then the enemy suddenly knows they can handle the rest of the guys! No, the marines are “first to fight” because they’re bullet sponges. They’re a mediocre fighting force, made up of expendable individuals, that no one in higher headquarters will lament being rid of. That whole “elite warrior” and “serving a greater purpose” propaganda bit is just a way of keeping you happy as they throw you to the dogs, and hope that you’ll soak up all the bullets so the army won’t take as many casualties. If you happen to survive, they’re perfectly happy to send you off to soak up the bullets again and again until they’re finally rid of you.

        Safety and Peace

  • Mr Muncie

    I went to Army Basic in the 70’s then went to airborne then advance training for special forces. We were never treated like Marine Basic trainees. We were trained hard and learned to work well together. One doesn’t have to be abused to become effective.

    • Yo

      Back in the days, Marine DIs were combat trained. Now, any pft stud with a decent background, financial stability and who can pass 13 wks of DI school will get it.

      • fishman

        DI training is pretty brutal whether or not the Marine had actual combat experience. The training is why the Marines have always been, and will always be, the first to fight.

    • fishman

      And that’s why you were never “First to Fight” and why the Marines had to pull millions of dollars worth of equipment out of Korea for the Army. You just never had that dedication.

  • Joey 55

    You will not continue later. The list does not go on and on. Theres no way on Gods green earth you came anywhere near seeing all that. I believe you didnt pussy out. You never showed up. Youre about as genuine as a $3.00 bill.

    • S.

      Just have faith.

    • FTFY
    • NINJA_PUNCH

      So what you’re trying to say is: “I don’t want to believe that D.I.s would ever abuse recruits so I’m going to stick my fingers in my ears and scream “I can’t hear you!” at the top of your lungs, and hope that makes it go away.” Does that sound about right? Good strategy. Very adult of you.

      By the way, not that it’s any of your business, but I’ve actually seen the paperwork associated with “ihateDIs89″‘s case. I can say with certainty that he was in boot camp, that he did make a written statement similar to his above post to his commanding officer, that he did refuse to train in response to the listed abuses, and that he was subsequently discharged.

      Now that the validity of his post is beyond dispute, would you care to try again?

      Safety and Peace

      • Joey 55

        Son I have been there and I have done that. Im not saying any of that. What Im saying is that its bogus. Plain and simple. If all, even half this shit were to have been true the Drill Instructors are who would have been charged.

        • FTFY

          He put his fingers back in his ears.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Yes because D.I.s don’t spend 90% of their time completely unsupervised, most recruits aren’t worried that they’ll either be dropped, or have their lives turned into a living hell if they report any sort of wrong-doing against their D.I.’s and – even if one recruit reports something – other recruits totally aren’t worried that they’ll be thought of as less of a man by their commanders if they don’t deny any allegations of abuse. That’s totally a great combination for making sure that D.I.s will be charged when they abuse their recruits.

          So tell me, in this fantasy land are SNCO’s held accountable by the UCMJ? Or do they still have all but their most blatant infractions brushed under the rug like in the real world?

          Face it son, if you’ve “been there and done that”, then you and I both know that the only witnesses to any crime committed by D.I. will be their platoon. We both know that 99% of the platoon won’t testify against their D.I.s out of fear of reprisal. We both know that the Drill Instructor is the iconic marine. They’re the ones everyone thinks of when they think of marines. That means that the marine corps will never publicly shame a D.I. so long as they have any sort of plausible deniability.

          Since we’ve both “been there and done that” then we both know that nothing that “ihateDIs89” is that far-fetched, and we both know that the D.I.s will stick up for each other, and the recruits won’t stick up for each other. So it will basically boil down to one recruit vs at least three D.I.s, talking to a judge (the Company Commander) who would rather see one recruit “wash out” than have an unruly D.I. and charges of personnel abuse in his unit show up on his fitrep.

          Now then, what exactly makes you think that the D.I.s would’ve been charged?

          Safety and Peace

          • Joey 55
          • NINJA_PUNCH

            That’s actually a decent try, except that your own links testify against you. Of your four links, one doesn’t list the number of charges (I imagine that it would if I were a subscriber to the mc Times), one lists 8 counts, one lists 45 counts of recruit abuse (over half of a platoon) and the one from marinecorpsrecuit.com – the one I’d like to draw your attention to – lists 244 counts of recruit abuse by one man. That’s over three recruit platoons worth of recruits!

            Let me restate this for emphasis: This man, in essence, abused every single recruit that was put under his command for an entire year. Maybe he spread them out and only abused one out of every three recruits for three years, who knows. Regardless my point still stands.

            Do you honestly expect anyone to believe that all of the guilty were punished? That this man would have been able to abuse so many recruits for so long, if all of the other D.I.s in his company (if not on his whole depot) truly viewed recruit abuse as unacceptable? No, this is a classic case of “everyone did it, one guy got caught.” The fact that it took them so long to catch him goes to show that they weren’t really looking for it, but he took it upon himself to make it too blatant for them to ignore.

            Safety and Peace

          • S.

            Did you say… 244 counts of recruit abuse by one man? Why on Gods blue Earth would anybody try to use that as an example of the mc being good at stopping abuse?

          • Abe

            Question. Would it be fair to consider classifying or judging a group, based on individuals actions, as stereotyping? Out of shear boredom and interest, I stumbled on some racial comments associated with this post, toward Muslims. i.e. I joined to kill ragheads (because of 9/11). That’s certainly unacceptable behavior for the majority of “normal” folks and I would like to think that most people would agree. So, if I was to base the actions of 1, 2, 3….drill instructors and assume they all do the same, unacceptable things, is that right/wrong? If I was Muslim, I would not be offended by ignorance; but, I’m not Muslim. If I was a drill instructor, I would not be offended by ignorance; and I was a DI. I hope those that were responsible for this abuse are/were punished. Good Marines make good Marines and likewise for the bad. Without assuming this applies to you or any of your comrades on this website, I hope that you can find a practical way of making sense of this next statement. If an individual blinds you and you choose to not see the rest, he has chose for you. Open your eyes, look for the rest, and choose for yourself.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            I would say that you’ve made a false comparison. Perhaps if I were to take this one example, and to conclude from it that all marines are evil heartless bastards, you would have a fair case. If we had no other knowledge about the marine corps other than this article, then you would be absolutely right.

            That, however, is not what is happening. What is happening, is that marines, marine veterans, or even just recruits who saw the light early, are coming to this site asserting that these things are happening, and that these situations are – in large part – being white-washed to preserve the marine corps’ “sterling reputation”. We are not necessarily telling people that this happens in every single case. Statistically speaking, that would be an absurd claim. What we can say, however, is that this event is the tip of the iceberg.

            I would say that being exposed to the marine corps for 24 hours a day for several years, and then offering our insights and using examples such as this to illustrate and lend credibility to what we say would be about the farthest thing from stereotyping that I can think of. It actually has more in common with a longitudinal research study than a stereotype.

            In case you’re interested, I was kept fairly “in the know” regarding “ihateDIs89″‘s case, and it was well and thoroughly white-washed by his company. All physical evidence was disposed of before any inspectors could get there, and recruits who had witnessed these actions (and in many cases later admitted to having witnessed them over phone conversations) downplayed them or denied that they had happened out of fear of looking “weak”.

            Frankly, you’ll find an abundance of usmc-sponsored web pages that are dedicated to painting a pretty picture of the marine corps, helping people to see the rest is exactly why we’re here.

            Safety and Peace

        • S.

          NINJA_PUNCH, I’ll bet you 10 more SKATE Medal stickers that this guy will

          A. Never shows his face again
          or
          B. Comes back but deflects your questions using insults.

          Just like the others.

      • fishman

        Saying you have seen the paperwork doesn’t make it true. I could say that I saw paperwork stating that the guy was mentally insane and made everything up and as a result was discharged. Of course that isn’t true, but my point is, if you saw the paperwork, post it somewhere we can see it because you bear the burden of proof. Making statements without evidence never holds up in the court of law (at least with a good judge and jury anyway).

  • Sam3013

    I believe the idea of boot camp is to discipline your soul. Discipline hurts for many!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I think that if the D.I.s had a little bit of discipline then there wouldn’t be these cases of personnel abuse. It seems to me that the blind are leading the blind over there on MCRD.

      Safety and Peace

      • fishman

        Waaaah! Let me get you a tissue.

  • Da_Grind_on_My_Mind

    The sad thing is, I experienced all of what he said and more. Every single thing of his list no shit happened to ME. The difference is I made it through without being a whiney little bitch. Further more it hasn’t caused me to have any type of PTSD, emotional/mental trauma not even close. That’s what made boot camp to me. The fact that it sucked so bad and I actually made it with my brothers was a proud moment in my life. While this guy is complaining the majority of Marines respect our Drill Instructors for not making it easy for us. To answer this little punks question, no branch of service will touch you now. Nobody wants a guy they can’t trust in their service. That’s what it boils down to. He doesn’t deserve a second chance with another service. Should have joined the Air Force if you wanted something easy. You knew what the hell you were walking into. Some of you on this site will disagree with me, probably think I’m what’s wrong with The Corps. I can assure you that over 90% of Marines active right now will completely agree of what I said AND agree this turd is a Whiskey Bravo (Weak Bitch).

    • Dee

      You fail to realize that 90% graduate from boot camp. It is hard as fuck to quit boot camp. Mountain Warfare training was harder than boot camp- hard physically and mentally but there weren’t any abuses. If he couldn’t hack it for real, they should have dropped him, right then and there. Not waste the moment of the Marine Corps money, time and importantly, tax payer’s money on wusses that can’t hack it.

      • fishman

        Waaaaah!

  • navamanas

    Don’t worry about it. The military is the place for people who need to be controlled by others, and can’t function without that.

    My elder brother entered the USMC back in ’92. He was “gung-ho,” and he was completely sure that he’d be a lifer… Boot camp at MDRC, the MOS and warfare training was a year and a half joke for him because he’s always been a mind fuck. But when he got shipped out, it wasn’t long after that he changed his tune. He completed his four, but he definitely hated it. Absolute bullshit from the top, all the way down. The worst part about it wasn’t listening to the shit that they try to convince of (and most of these dumb fucks swallow it all, hook line and sinker), it was the bullshit orders to take action on civilians all the stuff that we never hear about at home, unless we had family in the USMC.

    When he got out, he made sure to stay away from anything USMC. When he comes across dumb fucks who Semper Fi, he turns the other way.

    In high school, I worked concrete for an older gentleman. Down the line, we were talking and I learned that he had been a druggie back in the ’60s. He got busted for selling dope, and when he was sentenced, he received “ten in the pen or four in the Corps.” In retrospect, he wondered if ten years in the penitentiary would have been easier to bear.

  • Rape is not training

    I am tired of you loser marine tools advocating abuse. Then saying the oh so popular well if they can’t handle being hit in the face how will they handle war. When you go to war there is a good chance you will be shot so should recruits be shot during training to prepare them for the “possibility” of being shot during war? Should a woman be raped to prepare her for the “possibility” of being raped in a warzone? I went into the army and washed out 1 week before graduation and refused to train. Back when I enlisted it was the repeal of dadt and all the bitchy army personnel who were angry about it took there frustrations out on the gay soldiers. None of them would say anything because they were afraid. I was sexually assaulted by multiple higher ranking ncos who wanted to teach me about what happens when “a fag comes into there army”.

    Then the company commander looked me in the eye and had the nerve to say it was obamas fault for what they did to me. Lol luckily time has passed and I can laugh about how stupid military culture and people are but during that time it brought me to the brink of suicide. The only reason I can even talk about it with such ease now is because 4 years later I have fully recovered and am over it. If I would have did what I wanted to do which was take my assualt rifle and feed them bullets through the back of their heads I would have ruined my future. Abuse is not training The horrid system stops all good quality people from wanting anything to do with the military. So you can keep your ways and you continue to recruit people who like abuse aka rapist child molesters and serial killers.

    If abuse makes you a better person why dont drill instructors rape and punch there children in the face? I mean after all it makes you stronger right? Where I’m from keeping your mouth shut and doing whatever somebody says regardless of what it is they say does not make you brave tough noble or honorable it just makes you a weak cowardly and pathetic bitch. If you graduated training I would assume you had enough bitch in you to finish. If you didn’t that means you have to much man in you to be willingly turned into somebody’s bitch.

    Men are those who stand up and always do what is right no matter the outcome. The army doesn’t want people who do and stand up for whats right it wants spineless bitches that can be controlled. If you failed basic chances are you were probably to manly to be made into somebody’s boot licking bitch.

    • fishman

      If that rape actually happened then I am deeply sorry for what they did to you. i have never known that to happen in Marine Corps boot camp, but I have known it to happen in every branch of the military among fellow soldiers, marines, airmen, etc. Rape is a deeply tragic and traumatizing experience. That kind of abuse is not tolerated by any service and if any so-called leader allowed that to happen, or participated in that sort of abuse, you should seek legal action. I know that is incredibly difficult and humiliating, and can be expensive, no human should get away with that sort of abuse. When you are in a training situation you are put in a vulnerable position and no “leader” should take advantage of that. There are certain training environments that prepare you for the possibility of rape and other torture, but even in those environments they don’t perform the act, only place you in humiliating situations to prepare you mentally, but that is much more advanced prisoner of war and survival training that only a select few must endure (intelligence specialists, etc.). Boot camp is NOT that type of training environment, and the actual act of rape is NOT tolerated in ANY training environment or otherwise.

      Again, if that happened I would definitely seek legal advice and maybe get some funding to help you cope through counseling or something. The longer you wait the more difficult it is to prove in court. Again I am deeply sorry for your situation.

  • Symadre Hickman

    I can’t wait seems fun :D!!!!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Have a good time. We’ll see you back here in a year or so. Don’t be surprised if I say “I told you so”.

      Safety and Peace

    • S.

      lol bootcamp is not even the hard part. It’s the easiest.

  • 0311 SGT

    You should fucking hang yourself with your pantyhose you fucking pussy bitch. Happy Marine Corps birthday and happy veterans day to all of those that didn’t bitch out.

    • Dress ‘Blues’

      Why doesn’t the USMC weed out pussies then? Boot Camp is supposed to weed out the weak.

    • S.

      You seem like a very kind and caring person. You should be proud of yourself.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I’m glad to see that you’re a well-educated, intelligent human being who is capable of holding a rational discussion…

    • USMCFormer

      As a former 0311 myself, I don’t have much respect for quitters either, but what this person outlined was abusive, unprofessional and bullying behavior on the part of his drill instructors.

      Having gone through MCRD in the early 1990’s ( and old school Marine, because everything was always tougher and harder in the OLD CORPS- bullshit!) our drill instructors were first class grade A assholes, but never resorted to some of the behaviors outlined above.

      Drill instructors are just as accountable as anybody else in the Corps!

      • S.

        Well said. Nobody here is saying that bootcamp should be easy, but being abusive does not equal training. Never push a loyal person to the point where they no longer give a damn.

        • MAURICE SCOTT POWNALL

          WHAT BRANCH OF MILITARY WERE YOU IN SIR AND WHAT TIME PERIOD????????????

          • Hey Maurice, I’m sure S. will reply when he has a chance, but to give you a feel of guys who participate on this site, I’ll give you my background while you’re waiting.

            2003-2008 – USMC – Combat Engineer
            Deployment – Falluja, 2005 – 150 days outside the wire

            Rank – Sgt
            Expert Rifle, WSQ Swim, 290+ PFT, Company Iron Man in boot camp, Meritorious Mast out of MCT

            How about yourself?

          • Master LCpl

            What’s with caps lock? Are you shouting at your keyboard? You should already know what branch he was in……or does that take too much brain power to comprehend? And what does the time period have to do with anything? Are one of those “back in the old corpse we did it this way” kind of people?

      • fishman

        Where is the actual proof of abuse? You all are acting like liberals, falling for the emotional jargon instead of demanding proof for these accusations. Anyone can come on to any forum and post complaints, true or not. If you truly were active Marines, we were taught to have more sense than this. I demand proof.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          1) “Acting like liberals” means nothing. It is possibly the worst attempt at an insult I’ve ever heard.
          2) “emotional jargon”… such as? I just went back to read it again, and it still says a recruit “touched his face and was hit in the face with a clipboard.” You can read whatever kind of emotional content you want into that, but until you can explain to me exactly how being hit in the face with a clipboard made him a better marine – how you wish you were hit in the face with a clipboard because it would make you a better person – it’s still nothing more than personnel abuse.

          If it makes you feel better, I’ve seen the proof of these instances. I’m not going to share them here because they have his name plastered all over them, and I’m not in the business of handing out the names of people on this site.

          Lastly, you used “marines” and “sense” in the same sentence. I demand proof that you were actually a marine because everyone knows that “marines” and “sense” simply do not go together.

          Safety and Peace

          • fishman

            Proof means wtnesses to the so-called “abuse”. Usually when recruits were hit with clipboards it was because they did something very stupid or were disrespectful to the DI.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            That proof included witness statements, and recorded phone calls (after boot camp) in which recruits who wouldn’t admit to anything at the time for fear of retaliation, admitted to witnessing those acts after the fact.

            Again, explain to me how being hit in the face with a clipboard made you a better person. For that matter, tell me about how that clipboard to the face saved your life in combat! I’m sure it’ll be a riveting story.

          • fishman

            You definitely don’t get it. That hit to the face with a clipboard was an attention getter; part of building discipline. It is not the clipboard hitting you in the face that saves you in a combat situation, it is the discipline learned by the whole boot camp experience. You can’t point to one incident and explain how that saves you in combat, it’s the entire training program. You people on this site will never get it so I am going to stop arguing with you. It’s like debating a rock. Just do the rest of the U.S. a favor, and stay out of our way. If you can’t hang, then don’t join; it’s as simple as that.

          • FailedToAdapt

            Derik, it seems me that your concept of debating is shoving your point down someones throat and then insult them if they don’t respond. That’s not debating and it does not help your case that you are repeating the classic “boot camp is stress training for combat” argument. Everyone has heard that one before. It just lets us know that the indoctrination has taken hold.

  • sean

    That sucks man. Shoulda joined the army. Atleast in the army the drill sgts don’t wanna be there anymore than the recruits. Marines have a hard-on for the corps. All that abuse by marine d.i.’s is their version of “foreplay” before they fuck you with their jarred heads because they don’t know how to use their dicks. Army guys atleast know how to party and have a way with the ladies. I was around some marines once and offered them some chow. These basturds all looked at me and said, “marines only eat mres in the field.” Haha well alrighty then, hah enjoy your slop grunts. There’s a reason why these cocksuckers are called shock troopers, were all shocked by the small size of their iqs. These basturds are so dumb theyed fight the enemy with g.I. toothpicks if their snco told them too. Lol but in all reality I can say this, I’ve never seen a marine back down from a fight. But that’s because dipolmacy isn’t a word they know the meaning too. Refer back to their small iq. Lol fuck the marines, can I get a hoooah! Hey dude don’t get down on yourself, atleast you showed heart. I respect you for that, even if you didn’t make it.

    • popop

      man that guy is just a pusssy. those who hate the marines just cant handle the marines.
      there is a reason of why its called the FEW the proud.

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        It’s called the “few” because the marine corps can only afford so many people. Any attempt to claim that it’s called the “few” as a sign of being elite is sheer nonsense as any elite unit wouldn’t force people who have lost interest to continue. It’s called the “proud” because the marine corps knows that it has no purpose, and performs no task that some other branch isn’t currently doing better; therefore they need to maintain a huge propaganda industry to make themselves feel like they’re somehow important.

        The vast majority of people on this site either are currently “handling” the marine corps, or have already “handled” it, so you’re argument is not a sound one. Those who hate the marines realize that they’re wasting their lives doing mindless drudgery and busywork that accomplishes absolutely nothing.

        • S.

          I lost my shit after the first line.

          • fedupmarine332

            I’m sorry the truth has that effect on you.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            He means he cracked up laughing because something about the way I worded it struck him as funny.

    • j. shannon

      he is what we called a non hacker, mamas boy, spoiled rotten brat never worked a day in his life. you would understand why youre treated the way you were if you were ever in real combat, you fail the whole squad pays for your stupid mistake. im glad you are out you would have been a disgrace.

      • USMCFormer

        And if you are what I think you are, you should know that there is a huge difference between Infantry combat discipline as opposed to the stupid games they play in Boot Camp, or OCS, or any service academy.
        And how the fuck would you know if this individual was a mommas boy, or spoiled, or never held down a job? Just because he had the balls to stand up to UNNECESSARY abuse and YOU NEVER DID?
        I didn’t like those who tried to shirk out of their commitments either, but some people just are not suited to be Marines. Just let them go back into civilian life and determine their own future. And after being in the grunts, which is a terrible MOS choice, I think half the scorn they heap upon other people is because they are jealous- they know they are screwed and hate anybody who has more freedom than them!!!

      • freeatlastfreeatlast

        A non hacker? I’m starting to get the feeling that all the trolls on this site are poolies in high school.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          I’m glad to know I’m not the only one starting to think that.

        • S.

          The cool thing about trolls, is that when they leave stupid comments, we respond with really good information and a ton of people read it. Also, if the trolls are poolies, they either learn something, or plug their ears and join. The ones that learn are the ones we want to save, and the ones who plug their ears are the ones who are perfect for the marines.

  • fishman

    What a pansy asshat. I struggled through bootcamp too and went on to serve 10.5 years. Bootcamp is not only to train, but to weed out pansies like you who are too soft to sacrifice for their fellow marines and country and then go on to bash the Marine Corps because you couldn’t make it. I am sorry that the elite combat organization treated you harshly. Should they have asked you if you would like hot cocoa before bedtime? Should they have asked if you would prefer to do push ups in the nice clean grass instead of the sand pit? I am sick if you cowardice, soft idiots who think that when they join any service, they expect the service to bend to their needs. THEY ARE TRAINING WARRIORS not San Fransico pansy coffee salesmen.

    • madmike1968

      “Training warriors”? Marine Corps bootcamp is 12 days of intense military training shoved into 12 weeks. The training is to build slaves not warriors. If the Moron Corpse wanted badasses they would tell you to fight back against the D.I.’s not kiss ass. Marine corps boot camp and SOI was hands down the most half assed inept job training I have ever had. By civilian standards it is a joke. high school sports are physically tougher and grade school is intellectually more demanding after about sixth grade.

      • fishman

        You obviously have no idea of how Marines train. Training isn’t just a Boot Camp thing, it is a life long process (and that’s true for anyone). Boot Camp is to break you down and get rid of your old habits. It’s to instill discipline and get rid of your propensity to want to live in your moms basement. Colleges do something similar only on a much lighter scale and on a different level and usually focus on the mind instead of mind and body (unless you get into some kind of sport). Marine Boot Camp focuses on breaking you down and then building you up to be a leader, not just a combat drone. They teach you to respect the chain of command because in combat, chain of command and following instruction is everything. They also teach you how to work together with people you may or may not like (because whether you like a fellow Marine isn’t the key to getting something done). They break you down and build you up physically too, so that you can endure the horrors of combat so that you can support your Marine brother even when you feel like laying down and quitting. Every Marine in your platoon, squad, and fire team depends on you being there to drag them out of harm’s way if they take a hit and can no longer function on their own. After boot camp (after they have laid the foundation) the real training starts. That is where it becomes mostly intellectual training; learning combat tactics, how to read maps and navigate in not so ideal environments. That goes on for about a month (Marine Combat Training (MCT)). Once MCT is complete you start your specific job skill training so that you can add support in combat within a specific discipline. Mine was “Small Arms Technician” and later I became a software developer. Some Marines go on to be what we called “grunt”. Those are the heroes that are first to go into battle. They go on to more intense training starting with the School of Infantry (much more difficult than boot camp). Some go on to special forces divisions and even more intense training that is very physically and intellectually demanding. Many more go on to high tech careers. Marines are some of the most intelligent people I have met; yeah there are some drones out there who just do what they’re told, and they don’t usually stay in for the long haul, and that’s fine. There are also intelligent Marines (most of them) who don’t stay in until retirement because they have picked up a skill set that they can use in the outside world. Many Marines go on to college. Many of the combat support skills require a great deal of intelligence and individual thinking. Heck even infantry requires very intelligent minded individuals because every Marine must take on the job of his or her superior if the leadership in the fire team, squad, or platoon is taken out in battle. I don’t see how you can claim that Marines aren’t intelligent.

        • freeatlastfreeatlast

          It was apparent to me that those who were absolute shit before coming to boot camp were the most devout converts. The guys who actually prepared for the Marines tended to see it for the joke that it was eventually. I can’t speak for you, but my daily routine before joining went something like this:
          Wake up, work out, breakfast, school, lunch, job, sport/DEP, work out, dinner, sleep.

          I couldn’t work out enough, because I knew that the Marine Corps was going to be the hardest thing I had ever attempted. I would be tested to the limits of my abilities, and I would struggle towards my eventual goal of becoming a part of a small, elite group of professional warriors, always on standby to answer my nation’s call. What I found in boot camp was a large group of kids getting yelled at by a smaller group of kids. It was really disheartening for me to get to boot camp and find that annoying bitches who parroted the drill instructors meaningless commands were more valued than critical thinkers. Why did we spend all day, every day drilling? Because it builds esprit de corps! Bullshit, it taught you not to think and to just mindlessly follow orders. Following orders in combat is everything! Following a stupid order to the letter in combat will get you killed, take another body out of the gunfight, and yes, your dumb ass will then have to be dragged by one or more of your platoon mates. If boot camp taught you how to be a leader, I pity those who were placed under your charge.

          SOI was more of the same, with less drill and more pointless hazing. Wanna teach a group of Marines how to properly secure a hill? Make them do buddy rushes. Wanna teach a group of Marines how to properly clear a house? Make them do buddy rushes. Wanna teach a group of Marines how to properly patrol? Make them do buddy rushes. Wanna teach a group of Marines to stop carrying their weapons at port arms? Make them do buddy rushes. I shit you not, SOI was composed of buddy rushes, death by power point presentations which were followed by buddy rushes, and chow, which was preceded and immediately followed by buddy rushes. I learned jack shit, but I could buddy rush like a pro. Good thing I never buddy rushed anything, because we don’t buddy rush positions any more. I’m up, he sees me, I’m dow-BOOM! You threw yourself onto the pressure plate that was set up before hand for your retarded ass.

          I wouldn’t make the claim that all Marines are stupid, we all make mistakes, and the Marine Corps attracts many motivated and intelligent people into its ranks with its massive propaganda campaign. Most of those people get out as soon as they can however, and their successes later on in life are very rarely related to what they were doing in the Marines.

          • fishman

            There’s a lot of untruth here. I don’t know what Marine Corps you all served in, but it changed my life for the better in every way. In fact, I went on into the IT industry after I separated and have a good job; something that would never have happened to me were it not for the Marine Corps teaching me that I am something more than just a body. I was on the road to failure before I joined. I had worked in a die-cast plant for a year, smoked weed every day, got drunk every day, had no discipline whatsoever. I was laid off eventually and the Marine Corps literally saved my life. I will never bad mouth the Marine Corps. The best people I have ever met were Marines. I still work with Marines so I still have that esprit de corps and I thank God for that every day, but you would probably not get that either. I am sorry your experience with the Marines was so bad; but you aren’t the whole. Don’t judge the Marine Corps because of your singular experience. I have only met a handful like you and they were all what we would call “shit birds”. They lacked motivation and discipline and just made their own miserable environment. I feel for you, I really do.

          • madmike1968

            Well I didn’t do any of those things so maybe the fact that I wasn’t a drug abusing, unemployed alcoholic was why the corps for me was a letdown. You needed it but I didn’t. I am glad you learned a trade that helped you to get a better job but that’s not what the military is supposed to be about. It is supposed to be about defending this country and while you want it to remain the same I want to make it better.

          • freeatlastfreeatlast

            Alrighty then skippy, let me get this straight; I made the claim that the folks who were “absolute shit before coming to boot camp” were the thirstiest for the Kool-Aid. You then rebutted my claim by stating that you were an alcoholic drug abusing laid off worker of a die-cast plant before you joined. I…well, um…I don’t know what to say to that…You have rendered me speechless with your dizzying intellect sir!

            On to further matters, you still work with the Marines as a civilian contractor. I can see why you wouldn’t want to change the way things are in that bloated monster that is the DOD. Regardless what you seem to believe, everyone on this site that has responded to you has argued in FAVOR of HARDER and MORE REALISTIC TRAINING. We were all let down by how much of a sad hypocritical joke the Marines turned out to be.

            We went to boot camp expecting a rite of passage, we got twelve months of drill and bed making, interspersed with choice bits of nasty hazing. We then went on to SOI, and got more of the same, but with more buddy rushes and less drill. Some of us then hit the fleet, and what did we find? A small, elite band of brothers? Fuck no, we found clowns like you running the circus! We expected a meritocracy, we found a welfare program for societal rejects.

            Guys like you are the reason this site exists in the first place. We are the vast majority, the ones who came and went with one enlistment. You are the special minority, one of the select few who stayed behind for a while longer, 10.5 years in total for some reason, and now defend the Marine Corps for what it is today. There are no faults with your perfect Corps, it’s just fine the way it is! It’s all of us that are the problem, the ones who see the problems and point them out on this open forum.

            The problems we list are the reason the Marine Corps has the lowest rates of retention in the DOD. We’re not saying it’s too challenging, too difficult to stay in such perfect shape physically and mentally, too hard to be masters of our war fighting craft. We’re saying that the training is shit, the PT is a joke, and the draconian bureaucracy that barely manages to run the show is over sized, overmanned, and underachieving.

            So, it’s good that you feel for me, I feel for you too. I feel that you have more moto stickers than paint on the back of your jacked up truck. I feel that you get your lunch at the commissary and tell Marines to get their hands out of their pockets. I feel that you visit your old unit from time to time to hang out in the smoke pit and catch up with the devil pups. I feel that you’re a god damned fucking moron.

        • madmike1968

          I served from 1988 to 1992 as a 0311. I served with some really smart people but I also served with people who needed help reading comic books. And the point is that what kind of “elite” unit lets people in that are that stupid? If the corps was elite it would be run like special forces in that only smart people would be allowed to serve and anyone could quit at any time. in the British Marines the MEPS station process takes a week and includes rigorous mental and physical screening while the military here takes damn near anybody. My sources for comparing military to civilian training is my own personal experience. I have had civilian jobs tougher than boot camp. If you ran a civilian educational system with Marine Corps professionalism you would be shut down. As for discipline what you get in the military is not real discipline it is more like a show of discipline. You will see more real discipline in a fast food restaurant than the marines since you risk getting fired every day. Yes you obviously receive more training out of boot camp but in many respects it really isn’t any better and isn’t as could as it could be. As for combat training I would say I’m a little more qualified to speak about that than you.

          • fishman

            Based on your negative perception of the Marine Corps, I doubt you are qualified to speak on anything Marine Corps related. Refer to my answer below to freeatlast’s comment. I am out.

          • madmike1968

            Based on the fact that you were a POG who never saw combat and jumped ship the moment the war on terror started I would say you are less qualified to speak about the military’s primary mission of defending this country than anyone here.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Based on your positive perception of the marine corps, I doubt you are qualified to speak on anything marine corps related.

            See, I can make nonsense claims too.

        • FreedomFighter

          Derik you sound like a commercial and recruiter combined

        • USMCFormer

          Damn, if all you guys met in person you would probably end up beating the crap out of each other!!

          Derick I spent a little more time in the Corps than you did, and I would not have done that if I was not motivated and enthusiastic about its primary mission. Whether some of the people on this forum believe it or not, the Corps does offer some unique training that you would not get in an civilian environment.

          Everyone has their own opinion and thoughts about Boot Camp. It really tries to brainwash you into being a FOLLOWER, as opposed to OCS which is conditioning you to be a LEADER. A leader without followers is nothing!

          With the initial post above, the person is outlining abuse of recruits by Drill Instructors. Even the Marine Corps has strict rules and regs about this sort of behavior, and this person was right in blowing the whistle on it.

          Secondly, as a former 0311 myself, there is a huge difference between combat and infantry discipline as opposed to hazing and harassing games!! A lot of good Marines get out because of this latter type of bullshit. Being denied a head call so recruits piss themselves is stupid and unnecessary, as opposed to being punished for lack of noise discipline on a squad patrol at night!!

          And using another example, what purpose does it serve to field day the barracks till 2am in the morning with a toothbrush to satisfy one power hungry NCO, only to have to get up at at 6am to be PT’d by another? Or being ordered to wash the side of the barracks building with detergent in Okinawa? Idiocy like this is hardly reflective of an “elite” organization!

          I can quote a lot more stupidity, but my point is is that if you are an intelligent, self motivated, educated young man who has discipline to begin with, then I don’t think Boot Camp is really going to make much difference in what type of person you are. If anything it starts to become more of a ‘dumbing down to fit the norm’ process.

          And my issue with the United States Marine Corps is that as an institution, it needs to take a hard look at itself and its culture and say ” Why are we not retaining our best people?” The answers to this can be found on web sites such as this, because my command philosophy as a LT was that there was always a lesson to be learned by someone’s whining and bitching.

          And lastly, as a dual citizen of the USA and a commonwealth country, I am proud to be an American but the sheer short sightedness of the American military not take good ideas and systems from other militaries around the world and not adopt them for itself is really of a reflect of first class grade A American arrogance!! Some one has already quoted that the British Royal Marines ( and even the Australian Army) is a smaller force than the USMC, but does the right thing by rigorously screening recruits before they even go to basic training. They do not impose monthly quotas on their recruiters because their emphasis is more on getting a candidate that is of quality and will fit in with the culture of the organization.

          If the Marine Corps considers itself the “Few and the Proud”, why the hell it doesn’t make some deeper and more meaningful changes to its culture and processes, as opposed to focusing on trivialities like Charlies, rolled sleeves, umbrellas ( the list can go on and on) is beyond me!!

          P.S I loved your quote
          “when they join any service, they expect the service to bend to their needs” If you were in the Marine Corps in the 1990’s, then you’ll know that’s that’s exactly what is was doing for WOMEN, and other minority groups who felt their needs were special!!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      You’re joking right? Do you know what happens in actual elite units? They look for reasons to drop you. Meanwhile in marine corps boot cap you have at least 3 chances to pass virtually every requirement before they’ll even consider dropping you back a week in training! And that’s just to drop you back one week! Getting dropped and processed out is ridiculously difficult! Frankly, your notion of an “elite” unit is nothing more than propaganda and wishful thinking. Get over yourself.

      Safety and Peace

    • freeatlastfreeatlast

      And this is why I prefer to remain anonymous on this site. Not gonna up-vote this one.

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        I have no idea if any of that info was accurate, but regardless, “The REAL Troll Destroyer” has been blacklisted. People being Doxed will not be tolerated here.

  • AJmedic485

    This whole thing is unnescesarry. For one, anyone who took an oath to join ANY branch of military knows what they swore themselves into. Secondly, abuse is buse and it shouldnt happen anywhere, as a child of abuse i know what it looks like nd what ot feels like, simple matter of fact is, the DI were wrong in some of the things they did but in other instances people should stop crying over it. You cant make a claim that the Marines is for people with no brain or who are not educated. For some people its a stepping stone to some olace higher and for others its where they will stay in life forever. It all comes down to an individual choice whether said person wants to be a drone or be something more. Not every DI is the same, not every bootcamp is the same, and for sure not every recruit is the same. You make a big boy choice joining the Marines, and if they let you quit that means they gave up on you, and are letting you give up on yourself, thats not what the Marines are there for.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      And where exactly do you suppose that they gained this knowledge? Was it from the recruiter who told them that they’d be treated with respect and dignity as a member of a “brotherhood”? Perhaps from all of the DoD owned and operated websites dedicated to making the military sound like a group of mature, intelligent, physically excellent, and morally superior individuals that will make you a better person simply by virtue of your association with these individuals? Maybe from nostalgic veterans who’ve forgotten all of the things that made despise the marine corps (or whatever branch it may have been) to such an extend that the entire idea of reenlisting was – to them – some perverse joke.

      If you actually stop and think about it for a moment, you’ll be forced to realize that there is virtually nowhere that any potential recruit could possibly learn “what they swore themselves into” besides for sites like this one.

      Quitting the marines has nothing to do with “giving up on yourself”, it is quite the opposite in fact, giving up on yourself is what happens when recruits allow themselves to be forced through the recruit training process long after they’ve lost all interest in continuing. Deciding to be a man, standing up for yourself, and refusing to be made into something less than human for the amusement of D.I.s is the farthest thing from “giving up on yourself” I can imagine. Quitting boot camp means the D.I.s realize that they can’t break you, and so they gave up on themselves, and are accepting that you’ve beaten them.

      All this considered, you’re partially correct: That’s NOT what the marines are for. The marines doesn’t exist to make men who are capable of intelligent, independent thought. The marines doesn’t exist to create morally upstanding human beings who are responsible for their actions. And the marines certainly doesn’t exist to make people who are willing to stand up for themselves or defend themselves from abuse. The marine corps exists to create children who mindlessly obey they’re orders without a moment’s question. Perhaps you’re correct that I can’t say that all marines have “no brain” or are “not educated”, but I think we both know that the best marines meet these criteria.

      Safety and Peace

      • AJmedic485

        Then let them go and look it up. Its the recruites fault if they choose not to look for information on a subject.Even my own rrecruiter stated to me dont only take my word for the Marines do YOUR research make sure YOU know you want to do this. If a recruited kid only takes someones word and experience and expect something else it is on them. No one forced them to listen to only the recruiter no one forced them to join, they did the minimal research they could and didnt weight every single aspect, which you are supposed to do yourself then decide whether this life changing experience is for you, and deciding to ship out is saying YES, i have done all MY research i have weighed the good AND bad and yes i want to do this and i dont want to be allowed to give up or quit. Thats what you swear to when you sign up for the Marines. So if the DI gets some kid who chose not to do their own research and chose to just take the word of a recruiter and friends it isnt their fault, that kid being there means that they have that kids word for them to do whatever it takes in an appropriate way i must add and whatever they observe that recruit needs to be pushed and to finish that race.

        • GhostWriterBB

          You flip faster than a politician son.

          • AJmedic485

            Funny you say that, thats what my family wanted me to do. But please sont compare me to the corrupt politicians of todays dy and age, just because i use logic in ny thinking and when i mke a major life decision. If you notice i never really stated any really firm association with either said because i. Can see where everyone is coming from i just dont see why everyone gets so temperamental about it and need to start calling each other inappropriate names. My standpoint is it is a recruited childs fault if they choose not to go on sites like this and look at thinhs from both perspectives. To joing ANY branch there are good things and bad thibgs that happen to certain people just like in the Fire departmen . Or anywhere actually, and i just deem it unfit for people to insultthe intelligence of others just because they make a decision some people werent ready for or just dont agree with. And to insult ANY branch in the military is ddisrespectful whether they have treated you poorly or you dont agree with methods used. Its the kids who just pick out words that they like and focus on that who get a rude awakening when they go to bootcamp. I prepared and i know plenty of people who prepared along side me who loved the experience and who hated it, but they realized it just wasnt for them, they didnt insult anyone’s level of intelligence they just moved on to the perfect fit for them. To anyone looking to be a recruit don’t just latch on to one person’s experience or to one thing that catches your eye look at other branches see what each has to offer you and then mke the decision and stick with it, dont back out.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Please tell me you were typing from a smartphone or something? I try not to nitpick about grammar because it seems like a sort of “ad hominem” copout, but come on man this was painful to read.

            At any rate, the main problem with your posts is that you’re NOT using logic. First of all, this site has only existed since September of 2010, that’s 3 years and 4 months. That means that there’s a large portion of the marine corps that enlisted before this site existed, and many more that enlisted before this site was well known.

            That being said, sure it would be preferable for potential recruits to discover our site before they sign up, but are you seriously suggesting that we abandon anyone who has already signed up because they found this site later than we would’ve liked? Really, they just joined the military, do they really need one more group of people who don’t care about whether they live or die?

            Besides, if you use a little of that logic you claim to use so frequently, you’ll realize that we’re doing the marine corps a favor. If we let the marine corps force these people through the system, the corps will find itself stuck with a disheartened, disillusioned marine who will consistently give them about 25%-50% effort because they don’t want to be there (because unlike the fire department, they’re not allowed to quit). On the other hand, if we can use the corps’ own policies to help these people get out, they’ll be happier, and those marines who remain will be a better fit for the marine corps culture.

            Further, I hope you realize that “disrespect” – much like respect – is something to be earned. So if the marine corps treats you poorly, not only have they done nothing to earn your respect, but they’ve given you sufficient grounds to disrespect them. So yes, I routinely insult and disrespect the marine corps, and the DoD as a whole. I also insult and disrespect murderers, politicians, and deadbeat parents among many others. Contrary to what your superiors in the military may tell you, being “disrespectful” doesn’t mean that you’re the problem. Quite often it means that the person or organization that is being disrespected is in no way, shape, or form worthy of being treated with respect.

            Safety and Peace

          • AJmedic485

            Yes sadly i am using a smartphon, these blimey thungs are more trouble than they are worth, if you cant feel your fingers your messages just look like pure rubbish. Any who, i did my research when i wanted to join the Marines i docused on what they could probide for me and what would bother me sbout it. I aplaud websites that dont just show the positive and really makes recruits think about what they are willing to take and do. I scold ones who do no such research then complain when they get to bootcamp. If you know that you cant quit then why not do your research. Sir, i use logic i promise you that, i wouldnt post something without thinking bout it. Yes, there really are plenty of websites that show more than enough negatives. I applaud the young boy for reporting any abuse that went down with his DI and for warning others but i feel as if the process in which he chose to use could have been better. Yes you can quit the fire department but if you leave in bad standings then no station will want you in their group, if you report abuse or harassment in the wrong way and wrong order then just forget about it. Im saying he should have chosen maybe different words or explained his process a little more or better. Im getting sidetracked but all i want people to understand is if you dont do your research dont complain if its not exactly what you were expecting especially if you KNOW you cant get out.

          • S.

            You seem to be a pretty cruel person.

            “If they believed the lies from their recruiter then it’s their fault that they did not research it further.”

            Other than this here website, give me ONE resource where they can research the truth about the corps.

            I challenge you to this.

            If you cannot provide this information, everything you are saying is pretty much invalid. Everything you are saying hangs on this one detail.

          • AJmedic485

            Alright, but the information is everywhere if you are just willing to look. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=143947421

            http://work.chron.com/negatives-enlisting-marines-21176.html

            http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070617150352AA9azLp

            http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100520160846AAtSu6I

            http://timsierramist.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/a-few-bad-experiences-in-the-marine-corps/

            http://www.salem-news.com/articles/march282011/usmc-mutiny-tk.php

            Ive done my research. Ask and you shall recieve. You ask for information, and v thats what you get if you put in the work.

            I am sorry if i seem creul thats not the image i am trying to portray. I just dont like when people feel as if thinhs should be handed to them on a golden platter

          • S.

            Bullshit! So you are saying that people should go to bodybuild.com, work.chron.com, answers.yahoo.com, timsierramist.wordpress.com and salwm-news.com to do their research?

            You are saying that someone should make a decision based off of forum posts you dug up on google? Those are not resources dedicated to telling the truth about the marine corps.

            The challenge still stands.

            This is http://www.iHateTheUSMC.com. Show me another site that provides the same resources that we do without painting a pretty picture for naive 18yo kids. Something that people can easily find. If you have to dig hard for the truth, isn’t that fucking bullshit?

            The truth needs to start in the recruiters office. There is no excuse, and you shouldn’t look down on people who give their trust to a liar in a uniform.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            I just checked the links he provided… most of the information was “technically” accurate, but it didn’t even begin to scratch the surface. Most of it read something like:

            “pro: GI bill, con: Can’t back out”

            It’s technically true but it doesn’t even begin to explain the marine corps lifestyle. The quality of the information by these other sites was quite frankly embarrassing.

          • S.

            I don’t expect him to actually provide any resources, because there are none. We are it. Even terminallance.com is just like leatherneck.com

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Which is really sad in it’s own right… He used to be so disgruntled… it was beautiful. Then he got out and turned all nostalgic on us. What’s this world coming to when you can’t even trust a terminal lance to be disgruntled?

          • AJmedic485

            Yes it may not have all the “facys” that you lot have. But it has real life experiences people who love the USMC and people who hate it with a burning passion. Thats why i choose websites likr that, because alot of them can give you both views.

            Isnt this website just a more advanced version of forums, real life stories real life experiences real life examples.

            The best facts are the ones that people experienced the ones that arent biased but are just there to tell their story.

          • freeatlastfreeatlast

            Oh, so you want a story? How about this one:

            A high school aged kid goes into a recruiting office, and signs away four years of his life to a contract that can change on a whim. It’s his fault that he didn’t know that was a bad idea, he didn’t go to bodybuilding.com and search through the forums to find some comments on the pros and cons of joining the Marine Corps. Had he gone there, he would have gotten this sage wisdom:

            “Yo bro Ima be honest and i wont even care about spelling punctuation adn waht not so youre gonna think im a hs drop out that smokes a lot of weed . here it is bro, my buddy joined at 20 bro he says best decision of his life, i considered it and if i was able to but i am not able to due to record i would in a heart beat.”

            Well by golly, had I read that before joining I sure would have thought twice about my life decision.

          • AJmedic485

            http://patricktillett.blogspot.com/2009/10/usmc-boot-camp-10-more-valdez.html?m=1

            Do you find this acceptable or is it too much of
            This man’s story?

          • USMCFormer

            A very interesting exchange, with the constant that AJmedic485 is making a fool of himself by not providing any type of logic, structure or coherence to his argument!
            Young people nowadays should consider themselves lucky they have the Internet, with the wealth of information it provides, to research any topic they want. This site is not unnecessary- it provides a useful service to expose the problems in the USMC, and should be treated as an educational tool for any potential recruit because its content is not the MINDLESS PROPAGANDA SPROUTED BY THE INTERESTS OF THE MILITARY!!!
            And even with limited legal training, I know that I would never ever again sign a contract where any term and conditions CAN BE CHANGED AT ANY TIME AT THE CONVENIENCE OF THE MARINE CORPS! Maybe AJmedic might sign a contract where he buys a car for $1000, then with the same caveat it ends up costing him $1 million!
            With impressionable young men and women it is important they get both sides of the story, and the argument that “they knew what they were getting into” is hardly one to justify abuse, incompetence, mismanagement, and poor practices. If anything, that statement is just an excuse by the Marine Corps not to put in the hard work of changing its culture to become more appealing to young adults of the 21st century!!

          • AJmedic485

            Yes, young people have the internet to access all sorts of information they want to, so why dont they do that before they make a life changing choice?

            I pitty this generation, internet is taking over every aspect of life, you cant even have an intellectual conversation with a person face to face. One that is truly stimulating.

          • freeatlastfreeatlast

            Run your comments past a word processor before you post them, I’m getting a headache trying to decipher your gibberish.

            Your first comment said that this site was “unnescesarry”, and now you’re saying that it’s the recruit’s fault if they don’t come to this site before joining. If that’s not flip flopping on issues I don’t know what is.

            What’s this about it being “ddisrespectful” for me to critique the Marine Corps in a negative way just because they treated me poorly, and I don’t agree with all their methods? Where the hell did you learn how to use logic? But this does bring something up that needs addressing, there’s a difference between respect and deference.

            Many people go into the Marine Corps expecting respect, and more than willing to give it. Were the Marine Corps then to capitalize on this, and treat its new recruits like men, things might be completely different. But it doesn’t, and things are terribly fucked up because of it.

            Respect involves cooperation between men, it goes both ways. It has to, because if it doesn’t, then it’s not respect any more, it’s deference. Respect would involve two Marines standing eye to eye, man to man, shaking each others hands, and understanding that the mission takes priority, but that one is not the plaything of the other. This poses a problem for the Marine Corps, as the subordinate would then think himself a man, capable of independent thought and action, possibly rebellion. The Marine Corps doesn’t want an elite group of the nations best men working together towards a common goal, they want a large pool of adequately trained subservient children to follow any and all orders from higher up the chain.

            This was always the most glaring problem with the Marine Corps to me, that they didn’t trust their own Marines to act like men. I was reminded of it every day, and it was absolute hell.

          • AJmedic485

            Oh no sir, you misread the comment i understand why there are websiye like these they inform futurer recruits of any negetives that couldhappen with the Marines. I consider the argument you guyswere having was uunnecessary throwing crude comments to each other and insults just all unnecessary people need to keep their calm and process what people are saying and where they are coming from.

          • GhostWriterBB

            Instead of writing all that to respond to my one liner, why don’t you respond to anything NINJA_PUNCH is saying? He is making really good points and you are obviously avoiding responding to him because it’s hard to argue against him and I am an easy target.

            Skater.

          • AJmedic485

            I am, i think its this bloody phone, im not very good withtechnology if you can tell. Oh, and no one is an easy target everone brings up valid explinations.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Again, where do you propose they go to research the marine corps? You’ve already stated that “This whole thing is unnecessary” so clearly you believe there are other resources where potential recruits can gain knowledge about the marine corps besides the marine corps owned and operated sites that would never so much as admit to the existence of a “downside” to joining the marine corps. Further, you apparently believe that these other resources provide information of such quality, and in such great quantity, that this whole site is “unnecessary”. If this is indeed the case, I challenge you to show me these resources that potential recruits should be viewing. To the best of my knowledge, no such resource exists.

          Unless you can provide such resources, I have no choice to conclude that you’ve placed an unreasonable burden on potential recruits by demanding that they do their own research when the only information available to them is A) This site (which you feel to be unnecessary) and B) The marine corps propaganda industry (which is essentially the same as “taking the recruiter’s word for it”).

          Now as for your assertion that “that recruit needs to be pushed and to finish that race”: what kind of marine corps do you imagine that will create? The obvious answer is that it will create a mediocre force of children who have to be babysat in order to accomplish even the most basic tasks. They wouldn’t have even finished boot camp if there wasn’t someone there holding their hand saying “Come on, you have to finish boot camp! The easiest thing to do is just keep going…” That doesn’t make men, it makes children.

          Quitting boot camp at least has a chance of “making a man out of you”, it requires you to stand up for yourself, stop letting the D.I.s walk all over you, and decide not to take the easy route and just let them push you through the system.

          Safety and Peace

          • AJmedic485

            If i may ask, how is finishing bootcamp, the easiest thing to do?

          • S.

            Everybody knows that bootcamp is the easiest part of the marine corps career. It’s just 3 months of exercise and getting yelled at vs 3 years and 9 months of yelling and exercise.

    • freeatlastfreeatlast

      What a strange comment:
      “If they let you quit that means they gave up on you, and are letting you give up on yourself”.

      So when someone tries to ring the bell in BUDS, they should be held back? Those silly SEALs, letting those folks quit when they don’t want to do it any more. What are they left with when all those folks are gone? Just a group who actually want to be SEALs, and are willing to put up with all kinds of hardship to keep it that way. That’s what actual elite units do you see, they let the folks who don’t want to be there quit. They’re not told time and again that the easiest way to get out of the selection process is to just finish it.

      Elite unit selection and basic training processes don’t involve twelve hours of marching, yelling, cleaning, and brainless activities for months on end. There are sections of the Marine Corps that are elite, little pockets that include scout snipers and Recon. The whole of the Marine Corps is not elite however, and boot camp is not a selection process. Boot camp was the most brain numbing physical joke I’ve ever had to go through. You need to do three pullups to pass the entry requirement, THREE! There was a group who couldn’t even do that! Those were the ones who seemed to be the most devout converts, the ones who didn’t amount to anything before coming to boot camp. If you come to boot camp having trained, expecting a strenuous physical and mental vetting process akin to BUDS, you’re in for one hell of a depressing realization.
      Isn’t that crazy? Those SEALs seem to do an alright job in the whole war fighting business. Maybe the Marine Corps could change its initial training process to be more about physical and mental vetting, and less about expecting you to be the worlds biggest piece of shit before you get there, and treating you accordingly. Maybe the branch of the Armed Forces that prides itself on being the smallest one could manage to be less of a bureaucratical nightmare than the others, and look at individuals as they come in. Maybe they could back off of the incessant childish garrison horseshit that drives out so many of the best Marines, and keeps the ones who are only doing it for a steady paycheck, and who would rather just put up with the bullshit than try their luck in the real world. Where did I hear that last one before? The ones who have given up, and would rather just put up with the bullshit than go out on their own…Maybe the Marine Corps is getting exactly the kinds of people it wants after all.

      • saltyshirt

        Freeatlast..-

        Your observations of the psychology of Marines, their motivations and actions are extremely interesting! I am wondering how you would quantify your statements if on your heels and not your ass blogging about your PAST experience/nightmare/mistake you made when the Corps answered your question with a “yes”. Are you a shrink, M.D.? I do not want to offend you if you ARE… Not my intent.

        Was your observations made from the front of your foot locker, or was it from the quarterdeck? How far did YOU pull out your cock to be ‘ELITE’? There was once a unit in GTMO that specialized in locating, disarming, removing, replacing, arming and recording the replacement of LIVE anti-tank and ant-personnel mines that were laid anywhere from 1962 to present (1994). They were called Minefield Maintenance Marines (MFM) and they wore ‘black shirts’ (the ONLY one’s on the Base wearing them when NOT in the fields) and NEVER had to explain WHY no one else dared. The MFM Marines were the guys that go INTO the minefields that NAVY EOD WILL NOT GO ON THEIR OWN; MFM FINDS THEM AND MARKS THEM ‘SAFE’ BEFORE EOD DOES THEIR JOB (‘IF they are even NEEDED’ IN SHORTS, BOOTS, TAGS AND SHADES…and socks….). The Infantry ‘Scout Snipers’, and the 0321 Basic Recon Men you addressed as ‘ELITE’ would rather fillet their own cock than take ONE SINGLE STEP on the ‘inside’ of a minefield fence marking… Even if the WANTED to just be badasses and bull through on their own; THEY ARE NOT AUTHORIZED to do anything but SCREAM LOUD AND PRAY TO WHATEVER GOD THEY HAVE until the MFM Marines arrive to pull them OUT…alive.

        Your definition/explanation of what YOUR perception of what a trained PROFESSIONAL is and what a piece of shit is… If they are ‘pieces of shit’ prior to PI/SD, they will be the piece of SHIT you are forced to ‘understand’ and ‘help fit in’ (between beatings of course…) when your not RUNNING TILL YOUR EYES BLEED, and dealing with ‘FOOTBALL BATS’ that are only there for approximately 36 months and manage to fuk themselves for the next 36 YEARS due to willful pride, immaturity, realization that you are NOT geared (mentally AND physically) to even ATTEMPT to stay HEALTHY….ALWAYS LEAD FROM FRONT…. NEVER HAVE A ‘PERSONAL PROBLEM’ THAT SOMEONE ‘ELSE’ has to deal with DAILY… Always know the job BETTER than the Boss, whomever that may be.. (Boy wonders like Stephen “Funny Ugly” Rhoden; 1stLT, permanent….. ‘awwrite’……. USMC from Georgia. Rich (Daddy’s money) over-indulged, self important, DORK/SPED/guy you wanna duck tape to the next barge going through marked “violate me”. In Corps for 48 months and fukt up 79 months behind him and with his wake…er I’m sorry….RELIEF/RESIGNATION OF COMMISSION out of the Corps that was ‘keeping him down’…..This ‘tool’ went BACK to Daddy to be the ‘takeoverfordadpresidentimportantprofessionalpoetwarriorgentleweird guy in charge of ‘daddy’s bizzznisss’ and is making a lot of ‘daddy’s money’ for him…..yeah….FOR HIM…lol…

        Might HE be the type you suggest that is too smart for the Corps? Was just sooo ‘awesome’ as a leader (couldn’t get a LCpl to look at him without laughing their ASS off!!!) and really SHOWED the ‘losers’ that were vested into the Corps at a level that our resident ‘gentleman hillbilly SPED’ “MITCH Rhoden” could never possibly conceive? Mitch, or er, um, Lt ‘Rhoden;(t) is the guy that went to make daddy REALLY love him and think he’s awesome… If that Man only knew WHO that mutated freak across from his office truly IS, he would puke in his secretaries panties….’Mitch’ S. Rhoden, the TRUE 21st Century ‘Officer’… Never one of ‘us’ (Marines), he was protected by other Officers and WEAK, mindless SNCO’s….. UBER PUNK. I see your comments as being in his ‘mindset’ somehow… Were YOU elite? Or do you only mention these things as some sort of powerplay because you ‘might’ be a ‘real badass’ according to …..”YOU”? HA!!!! I can’t WAIT FOR YOUR RESPONSE fuzznutz… Make sure you ‘stretch’ first…and I do NOT mean your groin muscles terd merchant….

        Load ’em up bubba… Let’s see just how deep and acute that frontal lobe of yours really is.. fire away dude!

        • S.

          I am not sure what I just read.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Ok, that last sentence at least kind of made sense…

          You mentioned wanting to know how acute “freeatlast”‘s frontal lobe is, so I’d challenge you to show us how acute your frontal lobe is. Consider this a free pass. I’m giving you a chance to go back and edit your comment, translating it into a form of English that is intelligible to the civilized world, before I dismiss you as someone who’s somehow managed to fail at being a troll.

          Assuming you turn down my offer, I have only this to say regarding the state of your comment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MRmxfLuNto

          Safety and Peace

        • freeatlastfreeatlast

          HAhahahahahahaaaa….HAAAAAAHAHAHA!!! Oh my god….oh shit….. I’m going to guess you were drunk when typing that stuff, I mean you blacked out and woke up to find that you had posted something on this site. Holy shit, that’s the most incoherent post I’ve ever seen on the internet. Can you sum up your statement in a few complete sentences for me?

        • usmc_to_usaf

          What the flipping dog crap did I just read…

  • AJmedic485

    It seems what i said earlier upset some people, so let me start a new and better express what i was trying to state, maybe im just bad at it.
    1.) Arguing and having extreme yelling matches over who is right will not get anyone anywhere, that is what is wrong with the world today.
    2.) I applaud the young man who reported the abuse because abuse is unacceptable.
    3.) I feel the young man could have gone about thungs a little differently maybe, just so if he chooses to hve a future elsewhere in the military it wont haunt him too much.
    4.) Anyone who is interested in any aspect of the militaryshould do their own research, why would it be a burden if you are signing your life over. Hell i knew first hand that i would not sign a single thing unless i did my research, and determined if i want to be in something i know for a fact i cant back out of. Would you randomly choose a college because what the advertisements say please you? No so why should it be different for the Marinesor any military branch, thats your life! Dont wait for someone else to do the work because you wont be happy, if youre going there from someone elselse’s experiences and you get something different. Why should they let you cry and run away when you signed that paper you said you know exactly what you want from the Marines and you are prepared.
    5.) Another thing i find wrong that someone stated, “respect is earned, and so is disrespect.” Yes, but who starts to guve the respect first? Its a cycle people, it goes round and roynd. Someone needs to man up and be respectful first and not wait for the other. No matter what situation you are in, you are expected to give respect to your subordinates at yourvoffice place in school, and especially in the military.
    6.) I like websites like this, that give you the other side to a situation. So i never said this was unnecessary i will never allow someone to put words in my mouth, so people dont you dare start now.
    I have been respectful to everone, so i do believe i deserve the same, if not, I’ll still be living ny life, saving others, and smiling. God bless you all.

    • S.

      1. Arguing with people that have a false understanding of the marine corps is a good thing because thousands of other people read it.

      2. Yes standing up for yourself is definitely a good thing.

      3. The young man did the right thing and brought justice to those who deserved it. And I know quite a bit about this particular case as I personally worked with him and his mother. I will tell you, he did not have a whole lot of options. Going to the people above those who were mistreating him was the best way.

      4. Again, this is not fair at all. If the truth is hidden in the abyss of the internet, how can you possibly blame someone for not finding it? The truth needs to start at the recruiting office. No exceptions.

      5. Why does it have to be about who goes first? That is stupid.

      6. I worked really hard on this site. Glad you like it. And 1 day ago you posted below “This whole thing is unnescesarry.” to which you follow with how it’s this kids fault that these things happened to him and that he should stop crying about it.

      You seem very cruel and insensitive.

      • AJmedic485

        Oh Lord, like i said when i said i find thisunnecessary i was talking about the blasted argument between Derick and the others, i noticed his hostility and i found it unnecessar. Its just a discussion upon which people ddisagree no need for anyone to call anyone names.

        And i never blamed the boy for beung abused, no sir i would not do that, i know abuse first hand so i definitely wouldnt do that. People who get abused, blame on themselvesin the first place.

        I was saying there are some things he stated that to me didnt seem like abuse just uunnecessary banter from the DI, thats what i said he should stop cryung about.

        And if someone doesnt give respect first where and when will it start?

        The sad truth about life is not everything is fair, oh boy i wish it was but no. No person or school is going to tell you the negatives up front. No university does that, no job application does that, no person youre meeting on a first date does that. They want to seem appealing to you and then you either do your research or get to know the dark sides right?

        And yes i agree he did the right thing, if there was no other way then yes, i am still mixed with that because i have had a moment when i had to take things above subordinateand even almosy had to take it to the highest level. Like i said still weary about this one.

        Yes arguing to some extent is ok, but somewhere along the line you need to determine whhen enough is enough and far you re willing to go to get your point across. Are you going to cross the line of being civil? Or are you going to show each other respect and keep it at an intellectual conversation?

        • S.

          Personally I think you are a jackass so I am using this conversation as an example for site visitors to read. I have been fucking with guys like you in this way for years. It works flawlessly.

          • AJmedic485

            Please state the readons why you feel that i am a jackass

          • S.

            Because of how insensitive you are to people who are fed misinformation by their recruiters and your comments about ihateDIs89 being a crybaby. I know ihateDis89 more than I know you, and I know of his situation more than you, so that makes you, in my opinion, a jackass.

          • AJmedic485

            Sir, i do believe that you are misreading my comments.

          • AJmedic485

            If i come off as insensitive i dont mean to be, like i keep stating i have been a victim of abuse, just disregard calling him a cry baby. My views on people being stupid and just trying to get a laugh out of someone else’s misery is different from yours i gues.. i must be too attuned to biting my tongue

      • AJmedic485

        Oh and please stop calling me cruel, i am a very kind person, i just dont like when people refuse to listen to a little reason. I am very sensitive too, if you dont stop callung me names i might just cry. But wouldnt you be the cruel and insensitiv . One if you mde a female cry? Oh jeez ive been on the medic too long, im starting to lose my composure.

        • S.

          I will keep calling you cruel so long as I believe it to be true.

          • AJmedic485

            AlEight, you are entitled to your first impressiin of me, and that is fair.

    • Sgt

      Nothing in the Marines contract says you have to tolerate abuse.

      And respect is earn. I was a Sgt and have seen leaders act like jackasses. Yes your subordinates will show you respect but they won’t. Respect is earned. You earn it by example, showing courtesy and being professional. Being a DI, your leadership skills earn you the respect of recruits.

      The majority of recruits do show respect to DIs and other instructors. If they don’t, you IT them (which is allowed), put them on the shittiest duty and/or charge them. If they can’t fix themselves, kick them out.

      The USMC has pride itself as a ‘miracle’ worker and as a result standards have dropped. It has gone downhill and will continue to get worst. They have tried to perform ‘miracles’ on misfits and recruit people that have no business being Marines (maybe buddy fuckers). If you have actually served and held a leadership position, you will understand why the system is fucked up.

      DIs are expected to graduate as many recruits as possible which is bad and will only bring misery to other Marines. I spoke to some of the DIs who wished this system weeds out more people- boot camp is supposed to be a selection process. And yet, the USMC is kicking out a number of qualified Marines who want to stay in.

  • Sgt

    There seems to be an argument about recruiting research and such. Although it is pretty much a no brainer that one has to do research before joining an organization not a lot of candidates understands the system.

    In the USMC and military system of recruiting, everything is done by quota. The quota comes from HQMC, down to the the respective recruiting commands. There are quotas for active duty and drilling reserves (along with each MOS).

    The performance of the recruiting district lies in location and demographics. Why is this important? Well, if you see a recruiter who is at a good district and has a steady number of candidates, he/she is less likely to mislead you. Whereas is you go to some recruiting station that doesn’t have a whole lot of candidates to choose from, the recruiters is likely to mislead and lie to you.

    Regardless, there is pressure and incentives for recruiters to fill a quota in a particular MOS. And they will ‘mislead’ you if you don’t ask specific questions. The term ‘mislead’ sounds nicer than lying and it is legal. To prove my point, how many recruiters actually get disciplined for ‘lying?’. Sometimes they do it because they don’t know better. I’ll use a real example. My buddy wanted to go 03xx but there was no room. The recruiter tries to talk him into getting an 0621 field radio mos. He asked the recruiter if he would still get to shoot, be in an infantry, go out with the grunts, go to combat zones, etc. The recruiter say ‘Yeah you will do all of those things. You’ll be in the frontline- with the grunts calling in fire support, etc.’ My buddy gets in, 6 yrs now (reservist), no deployments/active duty, All he does is put up and tear down the COC and fucks with the radios on occasion. He was bitter about this and regretted not waiting for the spot to open up. It’s considered being misled because as a field radio operator you can be assigned to a line company and hold a billet as an 0311/03xx. However, that is not guaranteed. Many radio billets within the infantry are now filled with 03xx Marines and fire support is done by 0861 Fire Support Marines, JTAC or in some cases ANGLICO Marines.

    There is little incentive for military recruiters to act morally. There are a few that are honest but most are well trained to misled people into fields that they need bodies for. They are not that different from corporate recruiters. However, if a corporate recruiter keeps getting unqualified personnel in (especially if they are some contract employment agency) then their business can suffer as their customer’s business will suffer due to time wasted on dealing with unqualified applicants. If a recruiter get the candidate to join, that’s it. Make it through boot camp? Even better. If the guy’s a shithead, the recruiter doesn’t give a damn, he/she is someone else’s problem.

    Just because someone got misled doesn’t always mean they didn’t do enough research. Being mislead can be caused by the recruiter’s ignorance or his will to go into his desired path. An easy way to get around a recruiter’s ignorance is to ask him/her what they did prior to being a recruiter. If their MOS was a cook then they became a recruiter, they probably can’t tell you what a daily life of an 03xx is like. However, they are expected to know which MOS’s are open, USMC orders/directives, MARADMIN, etc, and basic qualifications for each MOS.

    In the civilian world, you may use out side recruiting agencies to help you land a job/career. Again, the same concept applies to dealing with military recruiters. It is generally better to deal with the recruiter who works for the company you are getting hired into.

  • saltyshirt

    urinating on the enemy… Don’t Marines call that “shedding a tear for the enemy” when at our sacred ‘mess nights’? Hypocrites… Those boys shoulda been on a damn RECRUITING POSTER!!!!

  • saltyshirt

    Hey Swizzlestik-
    Drop “Mom” from your vocabulary (college, PI) IF you want to be taken seriously. You had the stones to go down there and try…Good on ya! Now take the time you used to post your ‘situation’ to the world for help and focus on just ‘you’… Your Mom is counting on you to be the Man she had always prayed for. No pressure! I have a ‘strong’ Mom too. However, I left her arms at 17 and have not stopped ‘moving’ (succeeding) since because I ‘had to’… I was it, my brother died. No pressure… Don’t listen to the dikheds on this site. Keep ‘moving’ youngblood and realize you manned up (3) THREE times the way ‘I’ see it! (1) College (2) Getting on the ‘bus’ for PI (3) Having the stones to PRESENT yourself to the world without fear of negativity or stupidity… Way to go ‘stik’!! Keep THAT same attitude that got you to actually DO THOSE THINGS THAT YOU ARE PROUD OF!!! Now get off of Mom’s couch and ‘MOVE FORWARD’!

  • free_bird

    First off God bless you and you are very fortunate to have a mom like yours. What you went through is nothing new, we all went through that shit. I was hit with clipboards, had assholes smash my food, spit on me, PT me etc. But guess what!? It is just tradition and you felt what it was like to be at the bottom. Just treat this as a bad dream and continue your life like nothing happened. No one will care. Use your college and make a life. Good luck and God bless.

  • barabass

    When did you go through the island? Or fail to go through. Based on the date of this post I’m guessing sometime in the last few years? So I know your exaggerating………ALOT. I went quite a long time ago now. Sure I got pushed and knocked around a little chest poked, smacked, and had them screaming so close to my face I got spittle on me and hazed and smoked in a sand pit and in the barracks till we dropped. But the only ones the DI’S ever went after with a vengeance were the spineless hacks like you. If you cant handle the stress of DI’S and recruit training what the fuck makes you think you can handle combat. Grow a fucking sack..or did you enlist to be some pog shit like a graphic artist or “logistics” master. ..your a giant pussy and I’m glad you didn’t make it thru. I’d be pissed beyond belief to have you disgrace my beloved Corps with your presence. Military ain’t for you cupcake find something else. ..like a spine, some testicles and dont forget to fill them with testosterone.

    • hooyut

      I don’t even know where to begin. First off, I could never understand how you can even take yourself seriously. It’s people like you who should never be in the position to have authority over anything but your own limp dick. Your “beloved corps” is a disgrace to every citizen of this country. I am so thankful I am on my way out so I never have to hear some whiny bitch bully like you again. that’s all you are, some schoolyard bully with a cute little pile of ribbons. How about we take a look at the big picture?

      Do you know what the Constitution is? Ever heard of the Bill of Rights? Could you even name two or three of them without a google search? I’m guessing no.

      How about the NSA and their violation of every American’s 4th Amendment daily?
      How about Eric Holder’s unconstitutional seizure of AP records?
      How about the Patriot Act or NDAA?
      What about that border that those “19 terrorists” who managed to fly aircraft better than seasoned pilots to “cause” 9/11?

      I’ll let you try to figure out some response that doesn’t include something about chesty puller or 1775. I’ll give you as long as you need until you actually understand reality.

      YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING.

      You are as worthless as every deadbeat maween in your beloved corpse. You have not protected your family, my family, this guy’s family from ANYONE. You are worthless, have violated your oath, and continue to participate and support a decade long war of terror by an imperialistic oppressor.

      SHUT THE HELL UP COWARD.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Yes he went through boot camp in late 2011. What does your going through boot camp a long time ago prove? Prove to me that he’s exaggerating.

      Now then, would you care to tell me about the time you didn’t die in combat because you got smacked in boot camp? Tell me about how you would’ve died, but thank goodness your D.I. smacked you up and that saved your life. I eagerly await your story, I’m sure it will be thrilling.

      In case you didn’t notice, he never complained about intense training. Not once. I’m sure that if he had been receiving intense warrior training that would’ve actually prepared him for combat, he probably would’ve continued. But boot camp doesn’t prepare people for combat, it prepares them to be little bitches. You see, he wasn’t a “spineless hack”. He actually had the backbone to say “well if you’re not going to train me, then screw you, I’m done”. The “spineless hacks” are the people like you who are so afraid of a couple of people in funny hats that you’ll do anything they say without question, or a moment’s thought.

      So tell me, how does it feel waking up every morning knowing that all of your talk about being a tough guy is just talk? How does it feel knowing that you’re too much of a bitch to even stand up for yourself?

      Safety and Peace

      • TrollTurds

        Well perhaps all the tough skuzz brushing the deck- err floor taught him how to handle all the “mental stress” in combat! His DI showed him how picking up and scrubbing the little dust bunnies while being rushed is what makes a man people!!

        See what I kept getting emphasized (and you’ll see similar on all the boot camp videos on youtube) is being a little sheep and house maid is ORIENTED towards combat! That goes from folding your towels like a 5-year-old neatly, making perfect pretty beds, and running back and forth because not all 70+ people can walk in unison at the same time, or move their weapons in sync!
        OOOH SEE! (NOTE: If you are not familiar with the animated series Dragon Ball Z this entire sentence will not make a shred of sense) If a platoon can drill perfectly, we can all do the FUSION DANCE, thus making stronger warriors!!!
        It’s sooo easy to clean the bays up to their standards that if you can’t do it, you are responsible for getting some people killed!!
        Aside from being sarcastic, I don’t even know if that was all actual sarcasm, but that is the BS that defines a “man” in the USMC. How?

    • USMCFormer

      Sigh! Another motard!

      I’ve taken the liberty of reposting a post I put in the anonymous discussion regarding USMC recruit training (see above), and I know this might be hard for such a narrow minded person like yourself, but its always good to read more than just the initial article and see different sides to the issue. I know that’s asking a lot of a brainwashed motard, but us veterans know that real life is not as black and white as Marines would like it to be.

      You could call me one of those “Old Corps” Marines- went to MCRD San Diego in 1992, and maybe I was just lucky because in the 2nd Battalion Training Company I was in I never heard of one instance of a DI “knocking around” or physically abusing recruits. They weren’t even allowed to swear, nor do vile and disgusting things like playing with food or deliberately spitting on people. I personally hated them, but at least they were professional!

      As a former Infantryman, I’ve seen plenty of Marines like you. So I ask you: if in Boot Camp you see people who for one reason or another are not suited for the organization, why not give each recruit the option to “discontinue” after a minimum of 7 or 8 weeks? Why keep certain people around that waste the instructors time, and do nothing but cause misery and aggravation on both sides, when they could be let go ( voluntarily or involuntarily) with a minimum of fuss? This is exactly the type of approach that most elite military organizations adopt, and with this approach you end up graduating Marines who truly want to be Marines.

      Speaking forthrightly, it really is Marines like yourself that are so backward, so ridiculously narrow minded, so archaic and so damned BRAINWASHED that the USMC has become increasingly isolated from American society, and also as an organization is seen as archaic, outdated, absurdly bureaucratic, and in danger of becoming irrelevant!

      • Michael Power

        I agree with you 100%

    • madmike

      I agree that if you can’t handle someone yelling at you than you will never be able to handle combat but taking abuse like a bitch makes you a coward. I’ve always joked that D.I.’s should be allowed to abuse recruits but the recruits should be required to fight back. You would receive medals for things like beating a SNCO half to death or something after he hazed you. The point of moron corpse boot camp is to make you into a little bitch not a warrior. They want ass kissing sheep who will obey every order given to them no matter how insane or degrading it is. Think about it, If they wanted a bunch of bad ass ninja warriors who would march to hell and back in defense of what is right than they would tell you to yell back at D.I.’s and refuse to drink water till you vomit. When a D.I. spits on you, retaliate. Everything about boot camp is designed to make you less of a man.

      • USMCFormer

        Boot Camp is just conditioning you to be a follower- to obey all orders without question, and dehumanise you so that you find it easier to take another life ( whoever the US government deems to be the “enemy” at the time). As you get older and wiser, you start to see it for what it really is.

        REAL PATRIOTS ASK QUESTIONS AND STAND UP TO CHALLENGE THE SYSTEM!

  • USMCFormer

    Permit me to weigh in on this issue, since I have attended MCRD San
    Diego, OCS Quantico and been a Student Naval Aviator at Pensacola
    Florida- three different training schools with different missions.
    If
    I were in charge, and in keeping with the Corps image of a lightweight,
    elite and professional force, for a 13 week RECRUIT training course I
    would give every single recruit the option to “discontinue” ( notice I
    did not use the word word quit) after 8 weeks, with no hardship or
    hassle on either side. This based off the OCS training I attended, where
    out of 10 weeks candidates are require to train ( or be in the system)
    for 7 weeks, and those unfit to be Marine Officers either by choice or
    deemed unworthy by the command are processed out.
    Without going into
    all the pros and cons, would this be disastrous? Only if the
    organization needed bodies for the sake of numbers, but at the very
    least you are shedding people who will add no value to the organization,
    and save on the costs of keeping a person in the system who does not
    want to be a part of it.
    I would also float the idea that after
    1/1/2- 2 years, each enlisted Marine has some type of review, where they
    evaluate themselves and are evaluated by their peers. If that person
    feels that they no longer want to be part of the organization, they are
    given the option to “discontinue”, on the understanding they will
    receive no benefits had they stuck it out for four years.
    I would
    also put in an enlistment contract banning marriage until that Marine
    has reached a certain pay grade, and to be fair do a similar stipulation
    for junior LT’s. They would receive a bonus if they stayed single for
    three years.
    In reference to Flight School, every Officer SNA who has
    gone to Pensacola knows they make it crystal clear to you at the
    Student Control brief that at any time a student says “I quit” they are
    immediately removed from training. Based on my own experience, students
    who study hard, and adamantly refuse to give up unless they are dragged
    kicking and screaming to an attrition board ( having exhausted every
    available option) will not take the above route.
    My point is that the
    measures above give people who ‘drop their pack’ the flexibility to
    leave the organization, without causing grief for those who are truly
    professional Marines and will do what it takes to keep their position.
    I’ve also said before that the USMC should review its culture so as to
    accommodate a climate of professional warriors who make it a lifestyle
    choice, as opposed to a collection of people bound by a contract of
    servitude!
    Would this be cost effective? Or another way of asking the
    question is: how cost effective is it now to keep in people who are
    going to cause trouble for you, or manipulate the system ( contract
    marriages) , or deliberately cause problems because they want out?
    Hey,
    I’m not the Commandant, and I know this would not be a useful personnel
    management system in war time, but at I think these ideas have some
    merit. If the Marine Corps was serious about keeping good Marines who
    really want to be Marines, it should adopt more flexibility measures
    such as these!

  • Lcpl AL

    Fuck all u little bitches that couldn’t make it through 12 weeks of bootcamp! U all should’ve grew a pair of balls n just hacked it out! Yes boot camp is hard but not impossible! Ur fathers mustve been a bunch of pussies too!! Hahaha I made it through those 12 weeks just fine! I’m alive n well so fuck all u lol pussies who quit!

    • madmike

      Most everyone here DID make it. BTW high school sports are tougher than boot camp. Plus I’ve had civilian jobs that were physically tougher than boot camp. And intellectually the training is built for morons.

      • Jessica

        Omg!!! Lol your to funny I’m reading what your saying and holy shit your to funny lol

        • madmike

          Sadly the best way to describe Marine Corps boot camp is 12 days of intense military training shoved into 12 weeks. It’s hands (along with SOI) down the most unprofessional job training I’ve ever had.

          • C.S. Bailey

            The land that God forgot or Hollywood?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Translation: “I refuse to think for myself and admit that boot camp is a near zero-training environment. I refuse to admit that virtually all I did was make it clear that I refuse to be an adult and stand up for myself, so to compensate for it, I will make meaningless attempts at insults regarding the masculinity of other people whom I’ve never met. Yes, I’m that insecure.”

      There, does that sound more like what you meant to say?

      Safety and Peace

    • Bubs

      Dumbass Lcpl AL, the training is 12 weeks but you have a week of receiving which is 13 weeks. Something tells me you’re not a Marine- you don’t even know how long boot camp is. It’s actually hard to quit boot camp- just ask the DIs who wish they can weed recruits out but can’t without the CO getting involved.

      -Former USMC Sgt

      • C.S. Bailey

        Not it’s not. My Class lost 3 people the first week. One recruit had a family emergency and had to go home a month or two in, where he saw one of them.

  • Jonathan Capichano

    Also I should add that I did ask to stay a day after I told them about my history but it was to late. I made the mistake of letting myself get to worked up and I failed.

    • hooyut

      You did not fail, never think that about yourself. Most of us who became marines and “earned” the illustrious title wish we never went. I would have gladly given my EGA to some other deceived motivator within a year of my joining. You didn’t fail, you just chose not to conform to a flawed system.

      • C.S. Bailey

        Speak for yourself sir, and only for yourself.

        • hooyut

          You can continue to keep your head buried in the sand. If you don’t know how many marines hate the marine corps then you have no place talking to someone who does.

          • C.S. Bailey

            I had a great experience, and so did many of the people I keep in contact with. You ALSO have no idea how many people hated or loved the Corps, so using the word “most” is just stupid. I knew plenty of people that hated it when I was in. Again, use of the word “most” was the only problem I had with your comment. If you are willing to share your numbers and where you got them, i would be happy to go over them.

          • S.

            Most people I served with said it out loud at least once. A lot may not think that way now that they are out and bask in the glory of who they used to be, but they said it and thought it at one point in time.

          • C.S. Bailey

            Sir, that’s true with just about every job in the world! I hated some parts if it while I was in, but when I go to work now, and have to deal with some if these people….. The worst days in the Corps are still better than some if my best weeks in the civ div.

          • S.

            Yeah, but with most every other job in the world if you get mistreated and harassed, you can do something about it. In most other jobs in the world your boss does not dictate ever second of your life. When you are off the clock you are off the clock. When your job sucks you have to freedom to find a new one that may be better.

            I can’t say that any day in the military tops any of my days as a civilian, let alone the worst ones. Some people enjoy punishment I guess.

          • bootasfuck

            You do have a really good point. I hated it, I still hate it, and I’m out, but I know a bunch of people who desperately needed the Corps because it was the first real order in their lives…and they love it, and I don’t want to shit on their beliefs and experiences. I also know a bunch of people who absolutely hated it and wish they could go back in time and undo everything Marine Corps related they ever did (i.e. me). I think it really depends on who you ask, their MOS, timeframe, reasons for joining, and impact on their life.

          • hooyut

            A platoon averages about 40ish guys. Not one single guy in the last platoon i was in was even considering reenlistment or even wanted to be in in the first place. Its like a poll. You take the percentages of the number polled. Give or take even 10 to 20 percent it is still the majority that hated this decision. But i should have specified it was an 0311 platoon.

          • S.

            Same here except I was in a firing battery as an 0811. Out of the 120ish dudes in my unit, I would say about 10 reinlisted. Nearly everyone said how much the mc sucked every day, however once they all get out most seemed to change their minds.

          • hooyut

            well once they get out they get to use the marine corps to bolster their social position so I can understand why they would change their minds, I know I wouldn’t change my mind.

          • C.S. Bailey

            So you were talking about YOUR unit. That, I can see clearly. I saw some platoons that would have made me want to quit just by working with them. I wasn’t trying to attack your opinion, I just hate when people try to include a majority when you can’t speak for them. And yes, grunt units are either “yes” or “no”, with very little grey.

          • S.

            We can easily say the same thing about you though my friend. You made the same exact argument Hooyut did just on the other end of the spectrum. Just because you and the people around you enjoyed the military does not mean the majority of the rest agree.

          • hooyut

            We will have to agree to disagree, neither of us has any hard evidence to support our position beyond what we personally saw. The more I reflect on the marine corps, the more it looks like a complete bipolar environment haha.

          • C.S. Bailey

            I can see why you hated the Corps, my last comment was actually agreeing with you.

  • free_bird

    It’s ok. The USMC was not for you as the USMC is 90% mind games and mental bullshit. Enjoy your life as an American and live freely.

    • Jonathan Capichano

      Thanks, same to you. Were you ever in or tried to join? Im trying to see about getting into maybe another branch I do feel like I should do something to help out this country.

      • Knob_Gaudy

        Look at free bird’s stuff articles on here about his time on okinawa. You want to help out this country? Don’t be part of the problem by joining and supporting corrupt government entities and their flawed execution of flawed foreign policy. Do community service, tutor kids in the inner city, mission trips, something like that does alot more than willingly signing up to invade and kill other people abroad.

      • hooyut

        What Gaudy said before me is true, joining this imperialistic government’s iron fist and oppressing other countries is not helping out this country. Nothing that has been done for decades has been done for the Constitution, the People, or any part of this country when referencing the military.

        If you want to do something for this country research the truth about how this country is deteriorating from the inside. Find a cause that supports the Constitution, a cause that protects Americans from the communist policies swelling in the lawmaker’s offices, or anything that protects American society such as shutting down CPS or joining a cop block organization to stop the brutal rampage police are going on around the country.

        • S.

          If you want to do something for this country, go to college and convince others to do the same. Or at least create a business around making your community better.

    • BLRRANCH

      I agree. It’s not for everyone. It’s no strike on his character at all. There’s a big awesome world out there. Don’t dwell on it.

  • Mike

    You’re a lier. I don’t believe a single thing you wrote. Ya boot is tough and ya drill instructors step outside of the box but not like this. You are lying.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Actually he’s not. I’ve seen the paperwork that was submitted through the recruit depot (PII redacted, of course). After his platoon graduated, he called up some other recruits who witnessed these events but wouldn’t come forward at the time (presumably for fear of retribution), and they supported his story. I hate to break it to you, but this actually happened.

      By the way, the word is spelled “liar”.

      Safety and Peace

  • bootasfuck

    Okay…I’m legitimately curious. What would you guys do to change the training so that it becomes more “molding civilians into righteous warriors” and NOT “make more sheeple”? I agree that of the 12 weeks of recruit training, I only spent about 12 days, condensed, of real warrior training. I wasn’t in very long, I never got deployed, I never saw combat; so I don’t know if recruit training actually works in preparing you for combat, but I would like to know exactly what some of you guys are thinking as to how the training could be changed for the better while being effective.

    For example; one thing I would change is not denying recruits sleep because the killhat decides the handles on the urinals aren’t shiny enough. I mean, how does scrubbing the toilet handle from 2200 to 0300 make me better at…anything?

    • AAVPOG

      The sleep deprivation (which is also used as an “advanced interrogation” technique) truly needs to cease. Humans cannot functions properly without a decent amount of sleep, and if they cannot function they cannot learn, making their training a waste of time, effort, and money. Sleep deprivation causes deaths, just ask any coroner.

      Honestly, I believe that much of what they teach is bullshit simply because they do not know any better. The “boot camp makes you ready for combat” is complete bullshit; I have civilian friends (career criminals) with absolutely no training who react just as quickly and violently as any grunt. Marines and soldiers do not often speak of the fact that many (if not most) of the
      rounds fired towards enemies in the last 100 years were from around
      corners and over cover with no face or body behind the sights. This means, to me, that the killer instinct is born into a person and can not be instilled by any amount of psychological or physical training. It is VERY hard to get a person to actually kill another, and no amount of indoctrination will change this.

      About Close Order Drill; I do agree that COD is good for discipline, but the Marine Corps spends FAR too much time forcing it down our throats since after boot camp it is all but nonexistent. Expend less resources on Close Order Drill and more on the important subjects.

      The important subjects at MCRD San Diego are all taught at Edson Range, but they are less than half of boot camp and like everything else, are merely a check mark on a clip board, not a truly evaluated set of training objectives. Pass or fail the exercise, everyone gets their EGA as long as they don’t die. The training that actually gives recruits useful Marine experience are things like forced humps, land nav, rifle range, and other survival/combat style exercises. When has knowing that the father of Marine Corps aviation is A. A. Cunningham ever helped a Marine perform his job or survive an ambush? Never. When has knowing how to fire a rifle proficiently and fireman carry another Marine saved a life? MANY TIMES! Knowing the history of the Marine Corps is, of course, important to provide the recruit with a proper perspective of his accomplishment and service, but it is not nearly as important as him learning Emergency First Aid.

      The schedule itself needs to be overhauled with the addition of MCT being removed from its own independent program and instituted as a part of Recruit Training, allowing Infantry Training Battalion to be utilized as a more advanced MOS school for grunts. I would arrange courses at MCRD SD something like this:

      First Phase: Uniforms, Customs, Courtesies (How to look and act like a Marine), History, Health and Safety, etc., First Aid, Team Week, Confidence Course.

      Second Phase: Range, Field, Crucible (although with MCT it is unnecessary)

      Third Phase: MCT, graduation

      There are probably a thousand ways to fix it, these a just a few I’ve been thinking about.

      • bootasfuck

        Appreciate your thoughts and thanks for your input. The only thing I would even contemplate rebuking is the killer part. I work in juvenile corrections right now, so I get to babysit underage gang bangers, and they can be some of the most violent and dangerous little fuckers on the planet. However they still think the proper way to hold a handgun is sideways, and most have zero-to-minimal practical hand-to-hand training. They still think fights are won by swinging for the fences. So anyone with decent training could easily take them out.

        However, I am the kind of person who really doesn’t want to kill anybody, but I’m extremely protective of my friends/family/coworkers/innocent bystanders/etc… Meaning, if you do anything to threaten those I care about, I will do whatever it takes to stop you, and if you die, it’s your own damn fault. Before I decided to pursue a career in law enforcement, a cop buddy of mine told me “You don’t become a cop unless you are absolutely 100% certain that push comes to shove, you can take a life”. Now, I WILL NOT kill an innocent person/unarmed non-combatant. However, if you are a clear and present danger to me or the general public and you present an immediate threat, I will put two in your chest, one in your face, and I’ll be able to live with myself.

        Oh, btw just so there’s no misunderstandings, I’m not referring to you as YOU personally, I mean you as in human beings. So don’t think I’m telling YOU “I’m going to kill you”.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      AAVPOG had some pretty solid thoughts. I agree with keeping drill just because you need some way to move 90+ recruits around without losing any of them, but it should be: Attention, Parade Rest, Right face, Left face, forward march, halt, column right, column left, right shoulder arms, order arms, and that’s it. Just enough for the D.I.s to be able to move about and keep track of their recruits. Further, drill should not be assessed in any way as it currently is.

      Really if they reduced drill to just that, they would have enough time to bring every recruit up to Grey Belt by the time they graduated, and probably would have time to run machine gun familiarization fires.

      If they cut out the meaningless names and history lectures that no one remembers anyway, they’d probably have time to run a full-fledged Combat Life Saver course in boot camp.

      There’s so much stuff that could be accomplished in those 12 weeks (not counting “marine week”) if the marine corps would just modernize a little bit.

      The other thing (that I’ve probably mentioned a dozen times on this site) is that recruits and MCT/SOI students absolutely need the right to drop on request. If the marine corps is going to be an elite unit, it needs to take every effort to ensure that its personnel are there because they want to be there, and not just because they’re being threatened with having their life ruined if they try to quit.
      To that end, I would argue that – for 180 days following the first day of boot camp – any marine/recruit should be able to go to his/her instructor, say “I quit”, be moved to a separation platoon that same day, and be processed out and flown home by the end of the week.

      If the marine corps were to adopt even just these few changes I would expect a huge boost in morale across the board.

      Safety and Peace

      • bootasfuck

        Thanks for your thoughts/advice. Truly appreciate it.

    • usmc_to_usaf

      In addition to NP’s comment on wanting to quit, I witnessed in the AF bootcamp on several occasions of Trainees who wanted to quit. Now our MTI was a hardass for the first few weeks, but did care for us. When they would tell him they quit, he would talk to them in private and act as more of a mentor in that time. Asking them to make sure if they quit, that is the decision that wouldn’t follow them for the rest of their life, and telling them that bootcamp isn’t forever and possibly recommend them to see the Chaplain.
      See this boost the morale for those Trainees to get back in the game, and graduate, being glad that our MTI did not just let them quit right then and there, but I doubt DI’s would ever have a talk like that with their recruits, especially with the abuse that’s going on constantly every day.

      • bootasfuck

        Our senior DI did that…a little. He was kind of a dick, but there were times where I thought he legitimately cared for us and wanted what’s best for us. It wasn’t till the end that I realized he was just a liar and a blue falcon, and when something doesn’t go his way or when ANYTHING came up that threatened HIS organization/beloved corps, oh mama, the suck that followed…

        • usmc_to_usaf

          My SDI was similar as well, but had to have been bipolar. Half the crap he said was lip surface- “I will make sure nothing happens to you” then “unless there’s some kinda mark on you from abuse does it really matter?” being choked when DI’s aren’t supposed is still abuse…I would think.

    • madmike

      One of my biggest complaints about recruit training was the minimal amount of training ammo we fired. I figured it out once and I probably fired about 600 to 700 live rounds and that was it! When I was living in Las Vegas a few years ago a local cop got killed by a scumbag with a AK 47 type rifle and held off 3 squad cars worth of cops until SWAT finally got him. So now there was a push to get assault rifles into police cars to even the score. Well Las Vegas cops don’t fire rifles at the academy so they had to create a quick rifle shooting course for the patrol officers and in it they each fired 1,800 rounds… in 3 days!!! So basically they fired a little less than 3 times the ammo in 3 days as I fired in 3 months.

      • bootasfuck

        I agree with the rifle training. Maybe it’s because I’m a firearms enthusiast, a conceal carry permit holder, and I’m gonna start law enforcement training within the next couple of years, but I was very underwhelmed by the rifle training. I have to put around 100 rounds through my sidearm each month to make sure I can keep my skills up in case I have to use it. And I don’t understand how they can emphasize rifle training so much yet practice so damn little. Bad shots kill good people. Good shots kill bad people.

        My sources tell me that Las Vegas PD has been issuing S&W M&P15 semi-automatic rifles since around 2006.

        • Justin_8_6

          Logistics and budget. 300 to 500 recruits per company per cycle, 12 companies on the depot. The goal of recruit training is to produce “basically trained Marines.” You’re not gonna go from bootcamp straight to combat. That’s where that continuation of training comes in, that 4th Phase and so on. And that spreads the cost of training across different units not just the recruit training regiment. Besides, besides qual, some Marines never pick up a weapon again.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Your budget argument doesn’t make sense. Each and every unit doesn’t get funded the same. It doesn’t matter if the money gets funneled through the MCRD, or the SOI, it gets spent the same. You might have a good point about the logistics though. I can see where that could be difficult, although by no means insurmountable.

          • Justin_8_6

            That kinda was my point. That each unit doesn’t get the same amount of money. So take the depot which has a certain budget and SOI that has a certain budget- All of it is drawn from the Marine Corps total budget. Now, the depot obviously spends a shit ton of money (the housing, chow halls, maintenance, administrative costs) a lot more than SOI/MCT does. So instead of putting the whole cost of making expert riflemen out of Marines that are gonna become admin anyway on RTR, its shifted over to the SOI so that their annual budget reflects the cost of training actually combat arms Marines.

          • bootasfuck

            Like I said though, I was always told the purpose of boot camp is to simulate the kind of stress you would experience in combat. I know you don’t go directly to combat.

          • Justin_8_6

            I wouldn’t insult your intelligence like that, I would assume your smart enough to know you don’t go straight to combat. Its to produce basically trained Marines. Not to simulate combat. Stress yes. But combat stress no. At what point in boot camp do you get shot at? At what point do you have to literally save your friends life? What it does do is push you too a point that you find where you break, if you even get pushed that far. You get hit with different TYPES of stress, wether that is the fuck-fuck games that are intended to drive you to pure frustration and then make you cooperate with the recruits in your platoon or the type of stress that comes from a Drill Instructor in your face screaming to the point where you hate the man but then have to turn around and actually learn something from them. Its not to simulate combat stress, its to make you realize that even if you’re pissed off or frustrated, you will have a mission to do, regardless of your feelings of the person giving them or how its ran, and you learn to adapt to the situation and carry the hell on. Most civilians would crack at that point. But Marines are trained to handle it, to deal with it.

          • bootasfuck

            See your point.

    • GofuckURselfUBootbitch

      Who the fuck said boot is for combat? Boot is basic training…..BASIC TRAINING…..let me repeat myself, BASIC!!, as in its the same as learning how to fucking crawl. Then you go to SOI, rather youre a POG ass boot bitch or a hard ass grunt you will go to mct or itb.if youre a grunt thats just some still basic shit, learning hot walk. Then in the fleet you do work ups before you deploy, and if you dont know this then you are the biggest fucking boot I have ever seen.

      • FailedToAdapt

        hahaha, the logic is strong in this one!

        • usmc_to_usaf

          So is the butthurt of the troll above!

      • bootasfuck

        Problem with calling me a boot…it’s not really an insult if it’s true. Sorry Hans, would you like to go for double jeopardy where the scores can really change?

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        So… let me see if I understand what you’re trying to sell me here…

        You’re telling me that the US marine corps – the so called “tip of the spear”, “first to fight”, all of that crazy propaganda trash – that same marine corps sends people through 13 weeks of training, with the intent that they will not be ready for combat when they come out. You’re telling me that this same marine corps sends its infantry guys to another 8 weeks of training with the intent that they will still not be ready for combat when they come out. And you’re telling me not only that this is the case (which I think is probably beyond dispute), but that it SHOULD be the case. Do I have that right?

        You’re telling me that it should be the case that people should go through over 5 months worth of training – hosted by an institution that claims to be an elite brotherhood of warriors – and they should come out not ready for combat.

        Sorry, but I’m not buying. If people are spending 5 months in training, and they’re not ready to contribute to the most basic mission of the marine corps at the end of it, what that tells me is that the marine corps has too much crap in its training schedule. Maybe they should put less focus on how to properly execute a “left oblique” and put more effort into teaching something that will actually be useful to someone down the road.

        Safety and Peace

  • BLRRANCH

    If you can’t perform in in the squad bay, you won’t perform on the battle field. It’s really that simple. Sorry, it’s just the way it is.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Except that sweeping, standing at attention, screaming, and knowing who the father of marine corps aviation was, has absolutely no relationship to being able to perform in modern combat.

      I’m sorry, but the onus of proof is on you for that one.

  • BLRRANCH

    Here’s something to think about. You don’t owe Marines anything. You put your best foot forward and it just didn’t work out. Don’t ever for one second dwell on it. Move past it and learn. You may find down the road that the military isn’t your calling. There are plenty of ways to serve this awesome nation outside of wearing the uniform of our armed forces.

    As for all of the negative comments on this thread; you all are just a bunch of BOOT ASS BITCH POGUES. That is all. Carry on.

    • FailedToAdapt

      You seem to make a lot of sweeping generalizations about people you never met.

    • usmc_to_usaf

      Because they don’t have something nice to say about the Corpse they are Bitchass boot POGs? I think I saw I few grunts on here that hate the Corps too. Nice try tho!

      • Sgt. Burg

        Any grunt that actually did his time ie. a tour or two would not speak negatively about the corps, pry some boot that got kicked out of SOI and claims to be a grunt. If I’m wrong and there are real men making those comments then they need to be taken out back and have a .45 slug put through the back of their head.

        • AAVPOG

          Oh look, Motard logic! Grunts speak negatively of the Corps just as much as any other Marine, so your argument is invalid.

          So a Marine who decides to speak about his negative experiences deserves to die? You might want to stock up on ammo devil nuts, because EVERY Marine complains about the silly bullshit we put up with.

        • usmc_to_usaf

          Another glorious example of a mindless drone! Please tell me more about how many orders you followed and not a single order you found was questionable for a decent human to ask. Follow orders without question? That’s the same as being a slave/bitch.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Sorry to break it to you, but a large portion of this site is marines who’ve done at least one combat tour.

          I’m sorry that stopping to actually think about what your time in the marine corps has amounted to is so frightening to you that you would advocate summarily killing anyone who disagrees with the propaganda that you wish to be true. Might I suggest that you emigrate to North Korea where that type of thinking is more socially acceptable?

        • S.

          Breaking news: I was an 0811 and did a combat tour in Iraq, got out honorably, and I am the one who created this site.

  • Fn pog!!

    That’s why it’s the Marine Corps man!!! They put you thrue all that bullshit to see if you’re worth of wearing the tittle of a United States Marine!! Trust me bootcamp is the easiest part cuz all u gotta do is follow simple instructions bcuz if you can’t handle the stress in bootcamp you will not be efficient in combat!! That’s why we are called The Few and The Proud!! Not everyone can earn the tittle of a United States Marine!!! Just because you dont agree with what they do doesn’t mean everyone desagrees aswell!! It’s people like you that is making our Beloved Corps fucking soft!! So if you don’t agree with what they do all u had to do is get the fuck out and keep your mouth shut!! BTW YOURE A FUCKING PUSSY!!! Just had to get that out!!

    • FailedToAdapt

      They put you through all the bullshit to see if you are a tool and won’t stand up for yourself. It takes self-respect and independent thinking to stand up for yourself. The Marine Corps does not want intelligent people. It wants slaves.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I just need to correct a couple common misconceptions in your post:

      Marines are called “the few” because the corps has a small budget and can’t afford anymore, they’re called “the proud” because it would be too embarrassing to just admit that the marine corps doesn’t do anything that some other branch couldn’t do better. Anything above and beyond that is just recruiter propaganda.

      You’re technically correct that not everyone can “earn” the label “marine”, but only because nobody actually “earns” that label, it’s thrown at you. It’s about as impressive as “earning” a birth certificate. It’s harder to get moved to a separation platoon than it is to graduate. If you don’t stand up for yourself and demand to be separated, they’ll just keep recycling you through over and over again until you dumb luck gets you through it. Don’t come on here acting like the label “marine” is something you have to be “worthy” of, because everyone here knows better than that.

      You see, it’s not people like “ihateDIs89” that are making the marine corps soft. It’s everyone else who goes through the same thing, but says “I’m not going to stand up for myself… I’m just going to take it like a bitch because I’m too afraid that I might get dropped”. If you want to make the marine corps “hard” tell the recruits that anyone who doesn’t stand up for himself is going to get dropped instead. I’d be willing to bet that about two DI’s would get their lights punched out by their recruits, and then all of a sudden the quality of training would dramatically improve.

      Safety and Peace

    • usmc_to_usaf

      So he is a pussy for standing up for himself? Really? Because I remember in school, if someone hit you, and you did nothing for it, that made you a pussy.
      The Maweeen Corpse teaches you to just take it, after all that slap in the face will save your life one day! Hey did you have a story to share about being abused saving your life in combat? Do you tell your fellow Marines to slap you in the back of the head, it’ll help concentrate underfire?

  • karas

    Ill enlist right now if the corps is going back to there old ways

  • FailedToAdapt

    Haha, looks like we have been visited by all of Leatherneck.com!

    • bootasfuck

      There have been a lot more of THOSE people around here these days. Or is it just me?

  • Cpl James

    Not everyone’s meny to b a marine u have to handle a wide variety of stress n still function what if u went to combat n your brother to your left n right counted on u, boot camp is just the beginning the fleet is harder n it’s tougher when you deploy. Boot camp just trains you to be tough n endure, so u could survive what Ever is thrown at u both domestic and in theater. Maybe it was the right thing for u to quit but u would never know the marine corps I grown to love because u quit. It’s not perfect but what organization is. We r trained war fighters n ur recruiter should have done a better job preparing u for training

    • FailedToAdapt

      And I want to thank you for being polite whilst voicing your opinion.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I have one point major point of disagreement with your post. That is the idea that his recruiter didn’t prepare him for training. If you’ll notice, none of the issues he cited had anything to do with training or war fighting.

      Consider, for example, trying to finish these couple of sentences:
      “A recruit was hit in the face with a clip board. This made him a better warfighter because…”
      “A recruit was hit in the back of the head with a rifle carrying handle. This made him a better warfighter because…”
      I hope you realize that anything you could say to finish those sentences would be absolutely desperate, and probably quite absurd. The reason for that is that it doesn’t have anything to do with training, it’s just senseless personnel abuse.

      Can you imagine how absurd the marine corps would be if that sort of thing were actually “training”. You’d have a squad on patrol in Afghanistan, someone would yell “Contact!” and everyone would snap to attention, because the insurgents are firing at you, but if you fire back you might get dropped back in training!

      So it would be incorrect to say that he quit because the training was too hard. It would be more accurate to say that he quit because there was no training occurring in that environment, only personnel abuse.

      Safety and Peace

      • Burg

        That makes him a better warfighter because the more pain he experiences the less afraid of it he will become. Tard. Any one who has been in multiple fights will tell you the more you get in the more calm you become during, the more control you have. Same goes here, the more you get your shit rocked, the less afraid you are of it happening again. Similar to being battle hardened, the more firefights you are in the more calm and collected you are during one.

        • madmike

          So the way Marines should learn to fight is by taking it like a bitch and not fighting back?

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          So tell me then, how many times a day to randomly get jumped and beaten to a bloody pulp by everyone in your unit? If that doesn’t happen, then why not? Wouldn’t that make you a better warfighter if it happened several times a day?

          Could it possibly be that random assault doesn’t make warriors? Could it possibly be (just throwing the idea out there) that relevant, mission specific, hands on training that could actually prepare someone for what they’re likely to encounter in combat would be substantially more effective?

          I know that the idea is probably pretty mind shattering, but the crazy part is that it would actually work.

      • lcpl0351

        you fuckin ignorant bitch, your writing this shit as if any warfighting organization ever actually trained its soldiers to maintain the poa in a firefight or if they miss a 300 yd shot then their squad leader is gunna pop outta nowhere and say ” oh guess i gotta smash your teeth in with a clipboard now ” . im assuming since your saying tthese things that you probably were just a giant shitbag and never deployed. probably a 4 year boot with 2 or 3 ribbons depending on if you got your good cookie. the fact of the matter is violence is an effective means of teaching, it gets results. when your superior says do this or that and your take your fuckin time, your gunna get punched in the balls. if you continue to drag ass and be ofp your getting your shit pushed in so to speak until your corrected. it has nothing to do with actually improving combat skills but to instill discipline and maintain bearing when in service. if you had kids and told them to clean their room or do some chores and they went out to play with their friends would you really just

        • lcpl0351

          would you really just let them have their way and appease them or would you instill discpline and responsability in your childs body so the next time you ask them to do chores they will just do it?

          • Knob_Gaudy

            you mean violence is the only solution to anything? thank you for this mindblowing revelation! Its not like you could take away your kids videogames and ipod for two weeks and make him not see his friends. Its not like you could GO BY THE FUCKING REGULATIONS when dealing with recruits and boots.

  • Sgt. Shelby

    Hey ninja_punch shut the fuck up and all the rest of you whinny little bitches can suck it. Boot camp did what it was suppose to do for the pussy who wrote the article, and that is weed out all non hackers, who saw a movie and had dreams of grandeur. I joined the Corps in 1988 before the Mothers of America fucked it up so all of their babies who played COD video games could succeed in boot camp. I’ve been on three combat tours. I earned a combat action ribbon and a combat action badge while in the Army. Fuck i’am deployed right now to Afghanistan doing CIED. If boot camp was that fucking hard for you than you are where you need to be at home with your momma.

    • fieldradiohater

      Relax Sgt. Shelby… do you honestly think America gives a shit about you?… what would America rather do; send the Obama family on a $500,000 vacation to Jamaica or find a cure for son/daughter lung cancer, you would hope being a veteran, your in for a rude awaking when you get out man! stay safe in afghanistan, because i really do care for vets… but im a 99%er so unfortunately politicians will get all the milk and honey.

    • Knob_Gaudy

      Maybe you haven’t been reading on here, but do you realize how much harder it is to get out of boot camp than it is to just graduate? It doesn’t weed out non hackers. statistics and others on here confirm this. By the way, what is a whinny bitch? Is it like a whiny one?

      So you really think pointless hazing and abuse makes you a better marine? or are you in the army now? wonder why you switched branches.

      I mean I guess hazing comes in handy that time that you get shot at by the enemy, and instead of shooting back, you stand up and take it, because only little bitches don’t suck it up. Thats some real moto shit right there devil. Show those afghans who’s boss by not even fighting. Be a real man, let them come to the states and fuck your girl while you watch. oorah?

    • usmc_to_usaf

      Bootcamp did what it was supposed for this individual? Oh really, I beg to differ. Abuse is not training, and does not toughen you up in anyway.
      While you can post your butthurt feelings here, please tell me how being kicked in the chest earned you that combat ribbon? Do you plan to abuse your troops to perhaps “motivate” them to do better in combat?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      So separating the only recruit who decided to be a man and stand up for himself is what boot camp is supposed to do, huh?

      Seriously, If you have a CAR and a Combat Action Badge, my only question is, “Why?” When people started shooting at you, why didn’t you “lock your body and take it like a man”? Could it possibly be that not standing up for yourself isn’t the measure of a man?

      By the way, it’s cute that you’re threatened by me, but I’m not going anywhere. At least not until the marine corps cleans up its act and starts putting training ahead of mindless busywork.

      Safety and Peace

    • random guy

      Hey sgt dickhead how about you shut the fuck up. GUESS WHAT no one gives a rats ass about your CAR or deployments NO ONE GIVES A FUCK. I SURE AS HELL DONT GIVE A FUCK.

    • madmike

      I went through Parris Island in 1988 and I thought it and SOI was the most half assed job training EVER. I swear my I.Q. dropped and I never felt like less of a man in my life than when I was going through that stupid shit. Marine Corps training is designed to make slaves not warriors.

    • hooyut

      Cool, where are you right now? Iraq protecting the US oil interest or Afghanistan protecting the billion dollar poppy fields?

      I guess hacking it is being able to justify slaughtering people over greed and kill the people who just don’t want you in their country as an imperialistic government’s iron fist. Those combat tours are so impressive, keep up the invasion you sure did protect America’s freedoms oppressing those nations that were no threat.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY

  • Rob

    Wow, sounds like the guy that wrote this is a whiny little bitch. I went through bootcamp and I didn’t tell my mommy about how my feelings were hurt. Hell, my friend got his arm broke in bootcamp. If it were easy, they’d call it Armycamp, or Air Force Vacation.
    Sounds like you are a coddled bitch. And now you know. And you should not be in the military.

    • hooyut

      Who is the bitch? You who bends over and takes whatever some asshole wants for years on end? Or is it the guy who told the truth and refused to bend over and take it?
      Try growing up and maturing out of the indoctrination and propaganda pawn.

      • Rob

        See, that’s funny. I can imagine how your life is going. It’s 13 weeks of doing exactly what you are told. If you can’t handle that, that’s pathetic. Granted, I initially was like you. But I grew up,and realized it was a tiny fraction of my life. Yet the experience was priceless.
        Haha, and you are telling me to grow up. So if someone gets in your face, you instantly start throwing a hissy fit?

        • Knob_Gaudy

          see someone gets in my face, I do what a real tough guy would do. punch his fucking teeth out.

          • JohnDoeMe

            HAHA! I love idiots like you who think they would get away with trying to punch a DI.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Good start… now finish the thought. Why wouldn’t a recruit get away with punching a DI? The correct answer is because they’d get dropped in training. It’s not because DI’s are some kind of epic tough guys. I spent the last year of my enlistment on MCRD SD. A large number of DIs stuff their ILBE’s with pillows so they cay look tough while they run up and down the formations during the hikes. It’s not that some recruits couldn’t quite literally beat a DI into submission, it’s that standing up for yourself is a great way to get dropped in training and spend more time putting up with an environment in which virtually no training occurs.

            My question to you: If boot camp is supposed to “make a man” out of you (along with other cliched phrases), why do they spend so much effort ensuring that they will become little bitches who won’t stand up for themselves?

          • Knob_Gaudy

            I didn’t go in,dropped my nrotc scholarship, and its not just DI’s, its any dick who gets in my face. Cunts like you,

          • usmc_to_usaf

            Take away the funny sombrero and belt, along with the rank insignia and what do you have? Pretty much a hobo who thinks he’s bigger than you. I think I would punch this person in the face if it wasn’t the bootcamp environment, and other military repercussions.

            Sounds to me like you’re saying you’d still stand and let this angry idiot yell at you while you take it. You are so tough!! I’m not even being sarcastic here…it takes balls to let people punk you around! 😮

          • Biff

            I highly doubt that. You would be torn to shreds before your grubby little paws could cock back.

          • Knob_Gaudy

            I’d do it anyway. More guts than all of you put together, I’m guessing you let them make you their bitch?

          • Biff

            Still I highly doubt that. You can be anything you want….on the internet.

          • Knob_Gaudy

            Likewise, internet warrior.principle stands though, take abuse from no one. that’s what real bitches do.

        • hooyut

          You grew up into what? A good marine bitch?

          You would call me forcing a guy out of my face a hissy fit? lol Then DIs look like real bitches when they start screaming cause they didn’t get their exact way! When platoon sergeants start screaming they must be total bitches!

          I love how you so vainly try to justify a supposedly “grown ass man” screaming like a child in another marine’s face. Yet if that marine corrects the “grown ass man” then he is throwing a hissy fit?

          Tell me, is the warmth with your head up ass really worth it?

          • Rob

            You are a jackass. They are trained to do that. That isn’t natural. Bootcamp was easy. Every time I got yelled at , I realized, it’s their job to try and unnerve me. But I wasn’t a little bitch, and I kept my cool.
            Go join the Air Force, little bitch.

          • hooyut

            Yeah im good, the marine corps made me an accomplice to murder, i dont wantto go somewhere where they made murder basically a video game.

            No duh thats not natural, so why even do it? I respond far better in tense situations when i have trust for the person to my right and left, all boot camp showed me was the truth: youre just a number and the DIs dont give a damn about you. I sure as hell didnt trust any marine i ever worked with.

          • usmc_to_usaf

            Prior enlisted Marine that went to the Air Force here. Do you mean to say all Airmen are little bitches? Sounds to me like you have a real mature way of looking at the military yourself.
            So tell me, your friend who got his arm broken; does he require his arm to get broken again each time he goes to combat? The broken arm must really help him shoot better right?

          • Rob

            Actually he’s dead now.

          • usmc_to_usaf

            I’d normally would feel like an asshole now, but I don’t think I have yet to disrespect him. That said, I will give my condolences, assuming you aren’t just saying that for the sake of making me feel bad.
            I’ll rephrase the question; now that you’re friend has been KIA, do you mean to say that you wish his DI broke his arm again so that he would have survived in combat? Clearly it shows the broken arm in bootcamp didn’t save his life in combat, pal.
            Then again; what do I know I’m just a “pampered little Air Force bitch”, right? Well if there was anything I do know, I think it’s a fact that abuse didn’t save his life in combat.

          • Rob

            All the training in the world can’t ensure you survive any combat, your logic is non-sequitur. That being said, I tried to convince him not to join the Corps. I knew that I could handle it, and I knew he couldn’t. So I did all I could to stop him. And I bet the Drill Instructors knew he wasn’t Marine Material. And that’s probably why one broke his arm, to wake him up.
            The truth is, if you are of strong will, you can get through bootcamp. You don’t need any athletic ability. You don’t need anything except “I’ll just barely make it through every day”. And that’s what the Corps has become. You know how hard it is to get out of bootcamp? I saw one guy literally go crazy. We left, and came back having to clean up his pool of blood. He got out. But he wasn’t to happy about it.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            I agree with the second half of your comment. It takes virtually no athletic ability to get through boot camp, and it is ridiculously difficult to quit.

            That said, I’m going to have to partially disagree with your first sentence. While it is true that no amount of training can 100% guarantee your survival, there is a strong correlation between the quantity and quality of training received and the likelihood that one survives combat. If it were not so, no one would bother training their troops, because they’d be just as likely to survive, and no one would have to waste their time training people.

            Lastly, the fact that you would defend your DI, who broke your friends arm, and make it sound like the DI’s intentions were noble absolutely reeks of stockholm syndrome. I would strongly suggest that you take some time to reflect on who you’re sticking up for, and why.

            Safety and Peace

          • Knob_Gaudy

            You realize that for many of us, the problem we have with the corps is exactly what you just said? That anyone can get through, even if they shouldn’t? Some elite force my ass

          • usmc_to_usaf

            It’s really funny that you say I’m not “Marine Material”, and then you say “You don’t need anything except “I’ll just barely make it through every day””. You think I wanna be a part of that?! Hahaha! No thank you, pal. You kinda proved yourself that being a Marine is nothing special…LOL I do know how hard it is to get out of bootcamp, and I quote Ninja_Punch: It takes more guts to quit than it does to graduate. I quit it, got out and re-joined the military on better terms.

            Buddy, I’ll apologize…it sounds like you’re angry for me that I got out, and you had to stay part of this cult that you’re so proud, but secretly hate as well. It’s not my fault I made the better choice, had the courage to leave and join a different branch. I hope you’re not jealous!

            EDIT: For the record, I am DAMN happy I got out. You can read my story on here, in the “Other Branches” section; it’s called “First Regretted Quitting, Now Glad More Than ever!” Feel free to leave some constructive comments…or butthurt ones. Either way, people like you remind me more how glad I am to get out.

          • Rob

            Haha. I’m saying that’s what the Marines has become. And to think that it takes guts to quit because it got hard, that proves that you do belong in the Air Force, where life is easy. In the Corps, you have to learn how to do far more with less, and you need to be able to stay focused no matter how shitty things get. If every Marine just quit when things got a little tough, we would have lost in WW2. Sometimes sheer will power is the only thing keeping you standing. You don’t have it, whatever. And neither do the people who quit before or after you. Because life is pretty tough in the Corps, there’s an old saying “once a Marine stops complaining about his conditions, check his pulse”. That’s because we get thrown into the worst conditions all the time.

          • usmc_to_usaf

            You have to do far more with less…is that much like trying to build a house with nothing but a few sticks and bricks? “adapt and overcome” right? No thanks. You see as respectable as it sounds, it will virtually have no place in the civilian world. Say a job just wants you to type reports using a very simple copy/paste method with a few edits; you tell them “I know how to use an antique typewriter derp derp derp…” Why in the hell would they care? Technology has evolved and having to do things with less to me just sounds like you don’t know how to keep up with this age.

            You’re right, you do get thrown in the worst conditions all the time. You get dumb brainwashed motards, give them a rifle and pin them against heavily armored tanks, they’ll “suck it up” and do it. Does that sounds like a very honorable way to die for your country? Knowing you were just used to test the enemies’s weaponry? This is exactly how you’re trained to behave in bootcamp if you get kicked in the chest, and is told to just deal with it.

            This type of treatment is about as cruel as a dogfight setup for a Chihuahua against a Pitbull. There is a fine line between being brave and being a total idiot. The Chihuahua would be an idiot to just listen to the owner and meaninglessly fight the Pitbull, and would have more balls telling the owner “fuck this bullshit”

          • usmc_to_usaf

            I saw part of the Troll comment in my e-mail…It must have been that ridiculously naive since it got deleted. Would you care to try again, and this time try to use the brain god gave you in your argument? I’m tempted to share what I see in e-mail; it’s almost as absurd as IronLungs’s posts…but I guess the mods took it off to save you the embarrassment.

          • TrollTurds

            Motards like you don’t understand jackcrap about other Branches. I’m sure you served in the Air Force as well to know life is easy huh. You bring nothing but an overly motivated babble speech with baseless accusations.

          • Rob

            And yea, you’re just a pampered Air Force bitch that wasn’t Marine Material but slipped through the cracks, and now you bitch about it. Fuck you, bro.

          • hooyut

            You really have no argument, but try so desperately to make yourself feel like you are part of something huge and important. It is truly pathetic to watch you and motards like you defend the marine corps – especially when all you can come up with to defend this stupid little group of schoolyard bullies is “fuck you” or “you’re a bitch”.

            People with autism (not a bash on autism, just a point) can make it through boot camp, really, ANYONE who will allow themselves to be a bitch/slave can make it.

          • Knob_Gaudy

            Way to name call because you couldn’t refute his point. He could be a a little prancing pony pixie and it doesn’t make him any less correct and you any less impotent in your ability to argue.

          • usmc_to_usaf

            http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/a4/a40a4dfab4b331cf2e2113bf70766c01e6fcc7f54478cf431d12e8aa847af9f9.jpg

            Bravo bro! Shout it from the rooftops! I wonder if you’re just an angry boot who can’t do much else in life. BTW do you know that I’m still laughing at how motards like you have nothing better to do, but to display all this Marine pride BS bravado? What else you got buddy?

          • fieldradiohater

            my god I have exactly one year left in the IRR, I highly doubt I will ever get recalled, although they wanted me to go to a muster six hours away I told them I dont have a car, im a student…It would be cool if you could pick me up though (this was a Lt. Col from mobile command or whatever the fuck) I didnt hear anything after that although; I heard if you Fail to show up a second time they can give you an OTH in the IRR… what I’m getting at here is I never stood up for myself in the Fleet and took it like a bitch, to find out that you can still get an OTH in the IRR and lose benefits

            Things like that make me wish I laid the boots to motards in the fleet, things like this make me wish I never had comm up during training exercises to make my LT look like an asshole,

            I DO regret being obedient,

            PLEASE USMC fuck me over in the IRR,.. no better yet call me back, that would be so fucking fun:

            – I would shoot other ppls targets at the range
            – I would never have comm up, ever
            – I would steal non TAMN listed comm gear
            – I would let Cpls and below do what ever the fuck they wanted
            – I would be high on cocaine in the field, at the shop, anytime anywhere (thats what I would do with my pay)
            – I would try and run a 300 pft (to be more of an ass)
            – I would go through all Cpls and below training jackets and shred negative counselings or whatever
            – I would give shooters a perfect score pulling pits

            FUN CORPS

          • hooyut

            Lol thats an awesome list, all you gotta do is keep your original dd214 if they caught you doing cocaine!

      • Sgt. Burg

        Kid, I don’t know what you think the military is, but every second of every day is spent following orders. If you have a problem with being told what to do, stay out of the military

        • AAVPOG

          Many of our Marine Corps heroes never blindly followed orders and had blatant problems with authority. Being a Marine isn’t about following orders, it is about using that all-important six inches between your ears to do the right thing at the right time for the right reason.

          “Take me to the brig. I want to see the real Marines.” – Chesty

        • usmc_to_usaf

          You mean to imply that there will never be orders that a human being can find morally questionable? God forbid, you get told to slaughter some innoxo children it was the right thing to do because you were ordered OORAH.

        • hooyut

          kid? who do you think you are? Just because you can’t think for yourself and have a piece of tin on your collar you think you rate something?

          I left the marine corps because ALL the orders are immoral orders. To support this war machine was a dishonor to my family’s name and made me an accomplice to the murder of thousands by rebels supported by al Qaeda and armed by the CIA.

          You don’t rate to come in here and act like you do.

          • lcpl0351

            hooyut, were you in the military if so wut branch? and what was your mos?

          • hooyut

            I was in the Navy’s marine corps. 0311.

          • lcpl0351

            what unit were u with and did u deploy? and by deploy i mean combat zones not msg or fast deployments to bahrain or gbay. i was in atbn for my 1st deployment and 2/9 for my 2nd and i did all sorts of missions. when i was given orders i followed like the rest of the marines in my unit. sure some orders seemed fucked up but we never raped babies or burned schools down like wut your trying to portray. i dont know you and dont know where you did deploy or what training you got or even if you got njped and a bcd discharge but just from the shit your spewing i would think you were a dumb boot and got hazed for being slow or fat. sure nobody likes an asshole spitting in their face and yelling like a retard but in my experience it always happened to be the fuckups and retards that got negative attention. its all about how you carry yourself and how you conduct yourself. like i said i dont know you but you seemed like the ignorant bitch that slides by for enlistment or until separation.

          • hooyut

            For personal reasons I’m not going to list who I was with during my involvement of the war of terror. I never got NJPd and I was honorably discharged.

            It is obvious you don’t know who you are talking to or what I have even said. Just because someone may have been contracted by the US government to kill civilians (like Al Qaeda and their rebels in Syria) doesn’t absolve you of your involvement.

            Ignorant is not a word you could even come close to describing me with, I am very aware of most everything that is going on.
            Like going into Iraq to protect the petrodollar, going into Afghanistan for minerals and protecting poppy fields, CIA giving Al Qaeda backed Syrian rebels guns and chemicals weapons (why ambassador stevens was assassinated).

            I’m also aware of the drone bombing across the middle east and the average 30 to 50 civilians killed by them per possible terrorist kill and Obama assassinating American citizens without a trial.

            I am aware of the war crimes guys in my unit have committed like the way they treated prisoners or used white phosphorus on civilians. I am aware of the current criminal imperialist government you are defending and its unconstitutional NSA monitoring, Patriot Act, NDAA, gun laws, and many other topics here at home.

            What I am aware of would probably blow your simple and blissfully ignorant mind. But if I were to inform you your command will have failed because that’s one of their protective measures, keep marines in the dark unless they need to be propagandized.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY

    • Jonathan Capichano

      Rob I dont understand why you make fun of the air force cause when marines get pinned down in a major fire fight who do you think they call? The air force to bomb the enemy so the grunts on the ground can break through. Having pride is a good thing but please stop letting it go to your head.

      • JohnDoeMe

        The Marines don’t call the airforce for any air support you dumb fuck. It’s called a Marines “Corps” for a reason.

        • Jonathan Capichano

          There have been plenty of time the marines called in air support. Even going back to the pacific during WWII the marines wouldn’t land till the navy or air force bombed the beaches. I have friends who even served in the Marines and fought in Iraq who had medics from the army help them cause there were no Navy CORPSMEN around. Tell me since the Marines had help from army guys does that make them pussy’s? No it doesn’t. Are those Army medics pussy’s for not having the same training as marines? No of course not. Each branch helps out each other, so for you to cal me stupid just for pointing out a simple fact seems pretty uncalled for don’t you think?

        • Knob_Gaudy

          The Corps cannot fight a war by itself, it has to have the army air force and navy behind it. part of the reason why its so useless.

    • S.

      I went through bootcamp. It was one of the easiest things I have ever done in my life.

  • Sgt. Burg

    I’m with Shelby. Boot camp weeds out the weak, leaving only the mentally strong individuals to become marines. I know I wouldn’t have wanted this kid watching my six during a firefight. Small arms would start poppin’ off and he’d most likely sit down and start callin for mommy. No I had tough, rough necked mother fuckers around me, the ones that were raised in the corps by even harder seniors that beat the shit out of them daily in the tree line just to make them a little tougher. Men who aren’t afraid of a little pain and a lot of blood. This kid and anyone who agrees that what he “experienced” in bootcamp was negative just doesn’t have what the corps is looking for, and that’s fine, there are other branches for you to join, branches that have “stress cards” for your ass.

    • AAVPOG

      First, you really should Snopes those stress card before trying to use it as an example.

      Boot camp does not weed out the weak. If it did, no unit would have shitty Marines. If the “mentally strong” are the only ones who make it through, then why do so many Marines have severe psychological problems that aren’t combat related when they get out? If we are fully prepared to face the realities of war, why does it bother us so much when we see our friends die? The truth is that nothing can prepare a person for combat. Nothing can make it easier to watch your buddies get blown up, shot, or worse. Nothing can make it any easier to deal with taking another human being’s life, even if it is in legitimate defense of your own. Killer Instinct (not the SNES game) is born into a person and no amount of hazing will ever desensitize any individual enough to prepare them to go into battle and return without being negatively affected.

      • Ryan Horan

        just stfu dude, the corps is the toughest branch for a reason. Just cause you pussies cant handle some pain and suffering doesn’t mean others cant thrive in that environment. Im proud of my enlistment because it was harder than every other branch and it actually puts a big smile on my face when people like you come around and complain because it shows how truly weak you are

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Harder than every other branch according to what data? There is literally nothing other than recruiting propaganda to support your claims.

          • lcpl0351

            marine corps basic training is longer then the other branches. in order for recruits to become BASICALLY TRAINED marines they need to qualify on the rifle range, ( 500 yards ) , pass a pft, ( 28 min 3 mile, 3 pullups, and i think like 60 crunches in 2 mins ). they also need to qualify for water combat survival, the gas chamber, b.w.t. and a knowledge exam. i served from 05 to 09 and there were recruits that had it easy because they were physically able to overcome any obstacle but for some reason couldnt shoot or swim. it doesnt matter who goes to recruit training, in the three months anyone is there, they will be challenged to their extreme. as for any other branches bootcamp, ive got an ar,y friend that was in a striker unit and he said it was difficult but nowhere near

          • lcpl0351

            nowhere near any stress level or skill level of recruit training, infact he said he got fatter when he was there but i dont know for sure. and ive got a navy friend that said there were guys that were bringing cell phones and candy bars to basic like its a vacation. but like i said before i dont know for sure. wut i do know is that drill instructors do the things they do because they actually give a fuck about who gets into their little gun club. they dont just get assigned a B billet and say fuck it im gunna be an asshole until i go back to the fleet. nope they choose to be drill instructors and if you got beat then take it like a man and fix yourself and move the fuck on. i personally wouldnt want a weak bodied little bitch to even serve as a chow hall pog if they couldnt complete recruit training. lastly, your right drill instructors arent supposed to beat their recruits but your being trained for an end result which for most recruits is WAR. not an admin bitch job, but actual war where your enemy doesnt give a fuck what their supposed to or not supposed to do. thank you for bitching out and crying to your mother i really appreciate the fact that your not serving with an EGA on your chest.

          • madmike

            When I was in I met 2 former soldiers who later joined the corps and both claimed Army Basic at Fort Benning and Fort Knox was way superior to Parris Island.

          • lcpl0351

            hey mike i also served with former soldiers and they all said being all you can be was easier then serving in the corps. i dont know personally but all the things ive ever heard about army infantry were pretty much horrible and it explains why the army often loses ground or loses battles. i dont hate on other branches and i dont think the entirety of the army is all beneath the entirety of the marine corps. generally speaking we are generally better

          • madmike

            I’ve met a lot of soldiers active duty, reserve and national guard I’d rather have backing me up in a gunfight than a lot of marines I served with. The most important training a person can get is the 18 years you spent growing up. I’d rather have a smart soldier than a stupid marine.

          • lcpl0351

            you know how fuckin dumb you sound? im not book smart but i have common sense and i was such a good shot that im probably still a better shot then anyone you know. i havent fired a weapon in 6 years but i was really that good that im confident i can outshoot any of your army pals. long range and close quarters. not to mention the weapon systems ive learned to use. if you really think that a boot bitch with a college degree can out perform somebody with precision training on almost every weapon system in the marine corps infantry then that explains why the army is the way it is. again being fuckin ignorant gets you nowhere. the post was about how some little girl couldnt make it through 13 weeks of training, but here we are because you stupid motherfuckers are ignorant

          • Knob_Gaudy

            HAHA man you are a brick wall of obstinance

          • usmc_to_usaf

            It has come to my knowledge that at this point you are simply have an impenetrable brain of an egotistical sucker. You might need to get back to MEPS and have your rectal exam…because your butt is burning on fire!!!

          • Sgt

            You know how you really instill discipline? Corrective action after corrective action. If they blow you off, you take their sleep away and you make them perform the corrective action.

          • S.

            This is why marines never get good management positions when they get out. They are taught the exact opposite of what makes a good leader.

          • FailedToAdapt

            Essentially, the beatings will continue until morale improves. Yeah that makes a lot sense.

          • AAVPOG

            Take their sleep away so they cannot function the next day? Nice logic there, motivator. Have fun in your wheelchair after that PFC you didn’t allow to sleep passes out and rolls a 7-ton full of Marines on top of you.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            So they care about who makes it… so they do everything in their power to shove everyone through the system? Because THAT makes sense. If they really cared about who made it through, they would be handing out failure to adapt discharges like candy.

            Lastly if boot camp is supposed to train recruits for war “where your enemy doesnt give a fuck what their supposed to or not supposed to do” then why don’t they tell the recruits to fight back? Maybe they taught me something different than everyone else… but I don’t ever remember being told that you’re supposed to lock your body at attention and scream “Aye aye Sir!” when you take contact in the middle of Afghanistan.

          • lcpl0351

            motherfucker if you werent such a
            little ignorant faggot you would have seen my comment about how you getting punched everytime your late or kicked in the chin if you dont make your rack on time isnt to imrove your skills in combat. it instills discipline and if you move slow or dont do something right you need to be corrected. plain and simple. if your jacked up you get smacked. i also said in a previous statement that there isnt a warfighting organization in the world that trains its soldiers to maintain poa in a firefight and scream aye aye sir when theres incoming. you have to know how fucking retarded that sounds right? i mean seriously, if that what you took away from bootcamp or your enlistment, ( to stand and get shot ) then your literally too fuckin retarded to understand anything military. and

          • lcpl0351

            and do you really think fighting the drill instructors that are there to train you will make you a better marine. or if a drill instructor gets in your face and hits you so you go faster, instead of you actually moving with a sense of purpose your solution is to hit back? what the fuck is that going to accoplish? do you think that if you can beat up a drill instructor you take his soul and essance and become super marine. you sound like a prideful little thug wannabe faggot that wants to be back on the block. in the fleet you get to hit back but fighting with drill instructors proves nothing and literally accomplishes nothing. your just being fuckin ignorant and childish

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            What’s it like to be able to go back and forth like that? Does it hurt your brain somehow?

            First boot camp is training people for war where no one cares what you’re not supposed to do, but now getting hit and kicked in boot camp isn’t to prepare for combat… Seriously what’s it like to be able to flip flop like that?

            Let’s go ahead and break this down: If the point of boot camp is to instill discipline (which you just said above) then why are they giving recruits to DIs who lack the discipline to follow marine corps and depot orders regarding the situations in which it’s acceptable to make physical contact with a recruit? Why does the marine corps let the blind lead the blind?

            What will letting recruits beat their DIs teach them? I don’t know, maybe to stand up for yourself? Maybe teaching them that just standing there and taking it when someone wants to beat on you doesn’t make you a man? Hell, if getting hit and kicked instills discipline like you seem to think it does, maybe it’ll teach the DIs to develop some discipline so they’ll be able to follow orders better in the future and spend more time training instead of hazing. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander right?

          • usmc_to_usaf

            Whew! Someone’s butt is on fire. You still didn’t answer his question Sarge, you literally just beat around the bush. I beg to differ about you saying there isn’t a warfighting organization that makes you maintain a POA and scream aye aye sir? Uhmm bro, that is the Corps.

            Maybe if I rephrase the question; What discipline good is it if maintaining it has nothing to do with combat? One can only interpret this as being a little bitch.

            The DIs are making nothing but little bitches, not warriors. That was a cute analogy; did you come up with that? What we are getting at here is abuse does not equal training. It doesn’t discipline and doesn’t accomplish a whole lot more.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            You have such a way with words. It’s adorable.

          • usmc_to_usaf

            Being trained for war huh? You spend more time picking up Ghost turds in bootcamp, and recalling useless information as far as I recall.

            Can you explain how that kick in the chest prepares you for war? Oh, because you’ll make sure you never make the mistake again once you’ve been kicked? As a human, mistakes will always happen, so you mean to imply that each mistake deserve a different type of abuse? That sound about right?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            You do know that you get at least three chances to complete each graduation requirement before they’ll even consider recycling you right?

            Did you ever crack the math and realize that needing 190 points in 50 shots in order to pass table 1 rifle qualification means that you can qualify by hitting the 3 Point ring 10 times, and the 4 point ring 40 times? You can seriously pass marine corps rifle qualification and never once hit the center of the target. If that’s still too much for you, you can go back and try again either in the afternoon, or on the following Saturday.

            I can’t speak to the specifics of the swimming aspect because I know they changed it two or three years ago; however, the MCRDs have the “Iron Duck” program to identify recruits who can’t swim, and get them through the minimal qualification. Similarly, recruits also get three chances to get through Swim qual before they will even consider recycling them.

            As for the written test, 80% to pass a basic multiple-choice test about information that your D.I.s have had you scream for the past 2 months or so, but that you’ll never use again once the test is over? I am moved by the eliteness…

            I spent three months at boot camp waiting for the challenging part to happen. It was literally the biggest joke that I have ever experienced. The length of training has no effect on how difficult it is, it’s the amount of training that’s put into the given amount of time that makes training difficult. Frankly, the marine corps puts about 13 days worth of training in those 13 weeks. There’s no reason to claim that the training is somehow difficult.

            Safety and Peace

          • Sgt

            It’s 190 for table 1. Then for table 2, it’s only 60 points- just hit the target that is a silhouette. The MINIMUM score is 250 for both tables.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Thanks, that’s my typo. Fixed.

        • Knob_Gaudy

          Again. WHY ARE THERE SHITTY MARINES? Unless you were in every branch, I’d say you can’t defend your statement as fact.

        • usmc_to_usaf

          Oh, the Cpt America sense is high here! Just who said the Marines is the hardest? Your Recruiter? The SNCOs in charge of you? You sure any of them spent time in any other branch?

          Sounds to me like you’re the one complaining here, pal! Let’s see you are talking down on others, probably because you are not so happy either. Aren’t you the Marine “defending our freedom OORAH?!”

          Looks to me like you enjoy picking on people who seem weak.

          • John

            238 Years of tradition and honor have proven the Marines to be the toughest. First battle fought in a foreign nation was Marines in New Provident Bahamas, Marines stormed the Island of Tarawa, which was said to repel a “million man army for 100 years,” and it only took 3 days. Marines took the city of Fallujia twice, once when the army couldn’t take it, and again when the army lost control of it
            again. Marines fought their way out of the Chosen Reservoir and picked up the Army wounded on their way. In Vietnam the battles of Hue City and Khe Sanh are credited with being the focal points of some the fiercest fighting in the war. Marines are known worldwide are being one of the most elite fighting forces. The term Devil Dog reflects the way they fought in WW1. The battle of Okinawa was one of the largest amphibious landings of WW2, and had the highest death toll. These are all facts that you can research. I almost forgot Iwo Jima, where marines planting the flag on Mt Suribachi became the symbol of WW2 and lead to raising the most money in bonds to help pay for the war.

            For good Measure, here are some words from past commanders in various branches / countries, a president, and a first lady.

            “The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!” ― Eleanor Roosevelt

            “Uncommon valor was a common virtue.” -Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz

            “The deadliest weapon in the world is a MARINE and his rifle!”
            -GEN. PERSHING, US.ARMY

            “They’re on our right, they’re on our left, they’re in front of us, they’re behind us; they can’t get away from us this time.” -Chesty Puller, USMC, Chosin Reservoir, Korean War

            “They (Marines) have given us our only real fight.” -Commanding Officer of the British, War 0f 1812

            “Some people live an entire lifetime and wonder if they have made a difference to the world, but the Marines don’t have that problem.” -Ronald Reagan

            “I can never again see a UNITED STATES MARINE without experiencing a feeling of reverence.” -GEN. JOHNSON, U.S. ARMY

          • madmike

            Most of those quotes are probably bullshit and U.S. Army units have repeatedly outperformed Marine Corps units. You just don’t hear about it. The Marines are a second army…nothing more.

          • lcpl0351

            well mike and usmc to usaf, the marine corps doesnt exist because this country needs it. it exists because america wants it. it wants it more then the army or navy or airforce. sure those branches can get the job done for the most part but the marines are here to do what those other branches cant. the marines exist because the marines ARE better. the army and navy and airforce combined couldnt fight like the marine could on its own. and as for the ” history lesson ” . those marines that fought in each of those battles did it for the marines before them and the marines after them. its more then service its a way of life. the marines that took iwojima learned about the marines that fought a belleuwood and the marines that fought at hue city learned about the marines that fought in chosin reservoir. the marines are better because we have the smallest budget and the best training and we have the mindset never to retreat or give up, hence why the little fag that wrote this article to begin with isnt wearing or has ever wore an EGA. we dont get called privates in bootcamp because we fucking EARN OUR TITLE. chesty puller was asked ” what are you most proud of? ” he said its not my medals or rank but im most proud of being a MARINE.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            The marine corps exists because it has a propaganda industry the size of Stalin’s. It exists because anyone who take the time to do the research and realize that the marine corps is just a second land army essentially commits political suicide.

            The idea that the marine corps is somehow the best is nonsense. Consider, what is the marine corps known for: Amphibious warfare. What was the most important amphibious operation in history: D-day. Where were the marines: not there.

            As for “earning” the label. That’s so much recruiting nonsense. As I’ve already said, you’re given three chances to meet every graduation requirement before they’ll even consider moving you back a week in training. The “title” isn’t earned, it’s practically thrown at you.

          • Knob_Gaudy

            IF chesty puller was back in the flesh he would be called a shitbag and be kicked out and you know it. And the marines are incapable of fighting a land war by themselves, or anything else for that matter

          • hooyut

            Who are you trying to fool? The only reason America loves the marine corps is like Harry Truman said about it’s propaganda machine, “The Marine Corps is the Navy’s police force and as long as I am President that is what it will remain. They have a propaganda machine that is almost equal to Stalin’s.”
            He was right to do all he could to keep it within it’s original parameters as the navy’s police. Just so you know every branch can do exactly what the navy’s marine corps can and with better gear. That false idea that they can’t is just made up to try to keep a far outdated “way of life” from dying.

          • usmc_to_usaf

            You are so ridiculously…cuddly!! Oh goodness. Does it make you feel big to say you are better than others? To talk down on individuals because you did something they felt was not worth their life and time?

            You must be that miserable in life if you take joy in being better than another human being!

          • usmc_to_usaf

            While we thank you for the history lesson, I would point out that because of battles that were won long before any of us has no impact on today’s military.

            So let me ask again; what makes the Corps the best? It’s history alone?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            You do a pretty good job of repeating propaganda, but it would seem that you could benefit from a history lesson of your own:

            http://ihatetheusmc.com/history-is-written-by-the-victors/

          • MC_Fraud_Waste_&_Abuse

            Give’em hell man!

          • MC_Fraud_Waste_&_Abuse

            More self serving trash talk. Good for MC Sociopaths just nothing to do with empirical, objective reality. The US Army has done 80% of the fight in US wars and win or loose 100% of them. Tarawa was a MC intel failure and many Leathernecks died because of it so you are telling us this is good? Nothing the US Army cannot do that the MC does so more self serving bs. Try again with your pseudo-history. US Army defeated Hitler and Nazi Germany a far greater enemy than Fascist Japanese. Hence FDR’s “Germany First” war plan.

        • fieldradiohater

          uhh I never served in another branch, just the Marines (cant speak for other branches)… I thought it was kinda stupid and well stupid-easy! anyhow i bet your the kind of guy that would walk up to an Army Ranger, Airfroce PJ, Navy Seal…and be like; “oh yeah well i was in the Marines you fuck, lmao erpa derpa” if thats your photo dude… lol, you deff look like some-one i would punch in the face, i mean i dont have a photo of myself but yeah… a face like that would think your Marine enlistment was “super duper elite tough…derpa der

          • lcpl0351

            dear field radio faggot,
            you say he wouldnt walk up to a ranger, seal or af pj like those guys are just standing around waiting for fights. the people that serve in specail operations communities dont look down on their lower counterparts the same way you wouldnt look at a child you beat in checkers. i dont think anyone would do that because they command so much respect. i understand what your saying because ive seen little retards run around and act like king shit because of their uniform but the fact is what seperates regular from special is mostly training. sure specops guys are almost always type A personality but at the end of the day special ops are special because of special training and special missions. ive worked with nsw and theyre the coolest easy going guys ive seen. theyre not waiting around for junior marines to talk shit, theyre simply professional just like marine infantry and navy eod.

          • fieldradiohater

            ok man ill re-phrase it for you; alright imagine this… an Airman talking about being deployed to iraq or whatever… then some-one yells “Oh yeah well i was in the Marines derpa derpa der!!!” meanwhile that particular Airman got a Medal of Honor right… but I can just see a Marine talk about a harder boot camp, you dig.

          • lcpl0351

            i do dig i believe i even agreed with you in my previous post, but unless said pj is wearing his dress or service uniform nobody from another branch of service is gunna know he was awarded the medal of honor. any professional wearing any uniform knows to treat the other service members with respect. im not gunna harass another servicemember form a different branch because my bootcamp and mos training is better but if your jacked up you need fixing. like getting a bot in the ass from a drill instructor just like the little bitch who started all this. and no offense man but you sounded ignorant just a little bit in your first post

          • fieldradiohater

            yeah I was a bit strong, however i dont know if your still in or not…but this shit happens out here in the CIV DIV (ive been out for almost 3 years) you see it in the gym, the bars etc, Where Marines have to make it known to everyone that they were Marines… not all but most… and dude some of them have off the wall bull shit stories example getting units wrong etc (I was in 2nd Recon, but stationed in Lejuene) skim of the ice; myself i just laugh and walk away… my story i was a pog (radio operator), deployed twice and i DO NOT have a CAR. alot of Vets cant except that they were pogs, or whatever the case and really spice it up!! whats wrong with being a cook/ admin/ envolope opener regardless what branch… some just cant accept that

        • MC_Fraud_Waste_&_Abuse

          You are the type of malignant sociopath that does not need to be in any branch of the service period.

        • AAVPOG

          The motard is strong with this one. Look at you, out and free from the bonds of indentured servitude yet you still refuse to accept the fact that your beloved institution has many, MANY problems that cannot be addressed by physically and psychologically torturing young men. Don’t worry, some day you will grow up and regret wasting your youth serving an evil empire.

  • AAVPOG

    Look around. A lot of your “fellow brothers” are here complaining about the incredibly stupid things we have/had to do deal with on a daily basis.

  • usmc_to_usaf

    Look out we got a badass! You can call me a pampered Airman if you want, but please tell me what some hard things besides” cleaning & screaming (or should I say idiot yelling “?

    He’s a bitch? For taking a stand? I’ll never get why you “hard grunts” think letting people beat you is being a man, it appears more of the opposite. There are actually orders here showing DIs are not allowed to abuse recruits. Tell how much integrity this is to follow someone who isn’t following his own orders? Oh the irony. Well Sgt Badass, I don’t know Bout you but I’m sure this constitues hypocrisy here! Follow orders without question, yet they don’t because they wanna be hard!!!

  • JohnDoeMe

    I went through in 99 and no one was assaulted as much as you have described. Stop your bullshit lies. You were a weak bitch pussy who couldnt hack it.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Denial… typical. “I don’t want to see, therefore I won’t.”

      I’ve seen the paperwork, and the corroborating evidence. This actually happened. The fact that you went through boot camp 15 years ago proves nothing.

      • usmc_to_usaf

        Oh but it does, good sir! Because you see, things were HARDER back then, and therefore if it didn’t happen when HE was in, it never happened!

        Unless you were there at the same time as the author, you don’t know what happened to him. You can’t speak for him; you WERE not there genius.

        • Zach Belt

          Were you there? Who’s to say it happened or didn’t other than the author? And you’re the one who quit bootcamp correct? Then joined the Air Force. I don’t know why you insist on saying oorah so much other than for sarcasm. Or why you represent yourself as having anything in common with marines because you spent a hot second in boot camp. You just sound silly. Why are you so butt hurt about recruit training? I hate the marines too but they fuck over their marines more in the fleet. I’m not too worried if some recruit gets mistreated or hazed. I wish there was more training and people who didn’t deserve to graduated actually made it. It was basically prison but I had fun and made friends there.

          • usmc_to_usaf

            And who is anyone else to not believe the author? After hearing several similar stories no one here can be all tough call him on bullshitting.
            Hmm can you find where I said I have anything in common with everyone else here? Oh, you mean other than hating the Corpse and being glad to be out?
            See let me get what you’re saying for a second here… Just because you don’t care that recruits get abused and mistreated, no one else should; that sound about right? That sounds like your silly opinion here to me, pal. I understand worse things happen in the fleet, but that doesn’t take away the fact that boot camp should follow their rules from the start.
            Furthermore; if you know they do fuck their Marines worse in their fleet, wouldn’t it be reasonable to believe they should start following their rules from the start; AKA Recruit Training? Tell me if I’m wrong but Recruit Training, hell even the Recruiters are a reflection of how the Marines do not lead with integrity. I hope you don’t mean to imply that only Marines shouldn’t get mistreated, and Recruits deserve it all?

      • MC_Fraud_Waste_&_Abuse

        I saw one of my DI slam the front site of the M-16A2 right into a Marine Recruit’s forehead. This was late summer of 1995. MCRD Parris Island, 3rd Recruit Training Battalion, Company K, Lead Series, Platoon 3008. This was my training platoon. Some DI’s are abusive just fact not hyperbole.

  • Ryan Horan

    You are a disgrace man, plain and simple. WTF did you think was going to happen? Stop trying to soften my corps, all its going to accomplish is get people killed

    • Knob_Gaudy

      The Corps IS soft as fuck. Its nowhere near as hard as motards like you claim. Quit denying it. Don’t you agree that too many non hackers make it through boot camp?

      • usmc_to_usaf

        I think it’s rather safe to say the non-hackers being the most motivated is because they are the slippers through the cracks, such as the said name motard above. According to these people, getting through bootcamp is the only way to be a man- which is probably what you’ll always hear from a recruiter (in one way or another)

    • usmc_to_usaf

      Your corps, our corps, OORAH Captain America!! You must be such a hardass war hero. Hey bud, I’d be more than happy to show that no one goes to down to boot camp expecting they’d get beat. Why? Because DIs are not supposed to abuse. They have specific orders that prohibits them from doing so.

      What does that say about “your corps” knowing your leaders from the getgo never followed their orders? I’m sure you must feel very accomplished that you got beat in bootcamp, and took it like a little girl.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I would suppose that he was expecting to receive high quality training. Instead, all the marine corps offered him was personnel abuse, so he decided to be a man, stand up for himself, and get out to do better things.

      Contrary to what you’re saying, there’s no reason to think that “softening” the corps is getting people killed.

      Consider for example, Viet Nam, vs the “War on/of Terror”. The U.S. was in Viet Nam for roughly 11 years, and in that time they lost 58,000 men. The U.S. has been in Afghanistan for 12 years and Iraq for 8, and in that time they’ve lost fewer than 5,000 troops. If the “Mothers of America” and all of those groups have “softened” the marine corps, and “softening” the marine corps leads to people getting killed, then why is the number of deaths down so dramatically?

      On the other hand, there are numerous instances that clearly show that hazing and personnel abuse have a relationship to people getting killed (either through suicide or “blue on blue”).

      To sum up, stop trying to act like a hardass, all it’s going to accomplish is get people killed.

      Safety and Peace

      • John

        I”m no genius, but one o the possible reasons for the difference in the death tolls could be the fact that in the Vietnam War, the US was fights a standing military being backed by both the Russia and the China, as well as a guerrilla element. Another is that today there has been much improvement in military technology, like flak and Kevlar, medical techniques, and the precision of airstrikes and support munitions. I’m not saying that this is right, but at the same token I have noticed a softer and softer Marine Corps over the years. When an order is issued, and someone talks to their superior, that is a problem.

        The entire military is based on discipline, or the willing and INSTANT obedience to orders. That means you have to pay attention to what is said, and follow what you are told. That is the entire premise of the military.

        The biggest problem I have with this guy is that he went crying to his parents, and did not follow the proper procedure. If at anytime a recruit feels that his drill instructors are not acting within their guidelines, they are to speak to the Senior DI, or their Company 1stSgt. Then if the situation is not resolved, the continue to go higher and higher, not go crying to their parents.

        • madmike

          As for a “softer corps”. In 1969 42% of all marine inductees were high school dropouts. In the 1970’s over 2/3 rds of a division didn’t have a high school diploma and training manuals were written at a 3rd grade reading level. The training manual for the jeep required 4 pages to explain how to 1)unlock, 2)unlatch, 3)open up and 4)prop open the hood. Marines always love to brag about how recruit training was tougher the year they went through it but it’s all bullshit said by a bunch of people for whom the Marine Corps was the greatest thing they ever did or are ever gonna do. People like that are incapable of being objective.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          I will agree with you on one point: The military is based around willing obedience to lawful orders. The marine corps orders and the recruit depot orders place strict restrictions on the types of instances in which DIs are authorized to make physical contact with recruits. These orders state that DI’s are to use the minimum required force when they need to make physical contact with recruits. So why are you coming to the defense of DIs who are working against the “entire premise of the military”?

          As for your “biggest problem”: Of course he followed the proper procedure! I’ve seen virtually all of the paperwork associated with his case. He wouldn’t have gotten out if he hadn’t. Surely you’re not that dense, right? He got his commander to move him to the separation platoon, then he wrote a letter home to let his mother know that he would be home early. He mentions his mother at the beginning of the host because she found this site after receiving her son’s letter and wanted to know if we had any insights or advice to offer. That’s why you don’t make judgements based on minimal knowledge of the situation.

          I won’t deny the roll of body armor and other technology in reducing the number of casualties. That said, my counterargument still holds. Virtually every marine in existence loves to complain about how much softer the new marines (even just a year or two junior to them) are than they were. Consider the anti-hazing orders that were put in place in the 1990’s. If “softening” means that more people will get killed, then all of the body armor and technology in the world shouldn’t be able to account for the softening that occurred in the 1990’s… yet casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan are less than 5% of those of Viet Nam. The fact that “softness” has not been linked to deaths, while hazing and personnel abuse have, is evidence enough that “softening the marine corps” (read: treating marines with basic human dignity) doesn’t cause deaths, but trying to be a hardass without purpose does cause deaths.

          Safety and Peace

  • Knob_Gaudy

    I would make an analogy about how you can the say the same as far as who to blame for wives getting beat and chicks being raped, but I bet you wouldn’t understand, as you strike me as the type of individual who actually would be that macho and awful.

  • usmc_to_usaf

    Is that right? So people who aren’t exceptional right away like you all deserved to get beaten? People that can’t adapt to stressful mindless situations as quickly as the DI would want them to means they’d deserve a true slap in the head with a clipboard?

    God forbid you weren’t perfect at first at something you new to, you totally would deserve the physical abuse wouldn’t you?

    • Dealwithit

      Okay fobbit. lol

      • usmc_to_usaf

        Good sir, please take the time out of your day and explain how grateful you are because if you are the hard, stone-cold killer you say you are how being slapped in the face teaches you how to become a warfighter.

        Do you get even better with each slap? Each slap remind you how much of a slave you are to this organization?

  • Knob_Gaudy

    But you stayed in for all this stuff, which means two things 1) you’re stupid crazy 2) you’re the biggest bitch for putting up with people abusing you. Imagine all those movies from when we were kids about the bully screwing with everyone, then getting his ass kicked. According to your logic, bully ought to be commended for his actions and no one should fight him back. Marty Mcfly is ashamed of you bro

  • Sgt

    Once again, dumbasses don’t know the difference between training and abuse.

    Training is getting having to fight off 6-10 Marines coming at you one after the other. They strike at you, used improvised weapons and/or try to grab you. If you fail, you stay in the gauntlet until you actually fight your way out.

    Training is getting disarmed and popped in the face when you failed to ‘pie’ the room because you stuck your barrel where the guy can grab it. And you got popped in the face for failing to counter the disarm by retaining the weapon.

    My SOI instructors didn’t respect DI’s. Granted, I had combat veteran DIs but now Sgt-GySgt with ‘decent’ leadership and high PFT & CFT scores can be a DI. So when some DI’s teach combat, they suck at it. Then you bring these ‘bad’ habits to SOI and the instructors there just shake their heads when you say ‘this is how I learned it from boot camp…’ Then they will say, ‘Fuck that shit.’

    • usmc_to_usaf

      “2. A recruit touched his own face and the DI hit him in the face with his campaign cover and it drew quite a bit of blood.”

      That’s training huh? See the examples you just came up with, none of that goes down in Recruit Training, or at least the bootcamp the author was in.

      What is accomplished if you are just forced to take being beaten, again? Oh and should I add that DIs KNOW they are not supposed to abuse recruits? Sounds like integrity violation here if you ask me. I wonder if you ask people to smack in the back of the head, that’ll help you shoot better…? It sounds rather funny to me!

      • Sgt

        The first one our platoon actually did this drill for MCMAP. My SDI was as a MCMAP instructor and a corpsman was present. If he WAS NOT an instructor, he would have violated USMC regs by having us do these drills. You can’t possible tell me you’re just taking the beating when you are expected to put up a fight.

        The other was mout training with protective gear.

        Abuse is sadistic in nature- kinda like hazing. People think it has training value but it doesn’t. And it is known that boot camp changes it’s curriculum quite often. One company may do more things more than the other.

        Read what I’ve wrote CAREFULLY this time. I never wrote it was ok to abuse recruits or use force on them.

        • usmc_to_usaf

          Now you’re talking. If you were allowed to fight back against your DIs there’d be a whole different story.

          Being forced to just take it, and not fight back is what the majority of trolls have stated here.

    • bootasfuck

      Now I agree with you wholeheartedly. I used to be a martial arts instructor for a mixed martial arts, and for training we put somebody in the circle and each took turns attacking them…just like you described. They had to counter, take the attacker down, and finish. And if the one in the middle got punched, it was their fault. Now, we weren’t trying to kill the person in the circle, but we were trying to teach them how to react in a real fistfight. If I were to throw a right haymaker at somebody’s head in the circle, and they failed to block and/or duck and got socked, well it teaches them to block and/or duck. We put on boxing gloves and went for two to three minute rounds full contact to teach each other how to take a blow and it worked on cardio. We NEVER physically beat the students because they were getting it wrong or just because. For punishment we would make them do push ups, laps, sit ups, planks, etc… NEVER did we physically abuse them.

      What you described is training. What this described, to me, sounds like abuse.

  • FailedToAdapt

    Keep the hate coming Motards!

    • hooyut

      I feel like I am in more of a brotherhood fighting off the incompetence this hoard of motards is bringing here than at any time when I was in the corpse.

    • AAVPOG

      I am loving it but their spelling and grammatical errors are killing me. The fact that some of these guys are years past their EAS and still haven’t learned to form a proper sentence, especially while attempting to prove that they are “better” for some reason, only reinforces my belief that the Corps’ brainwashing policies are way too effective and, in fact, make men stupid.

  • Irish

    Been reading all the posts and figured I would chime in, They abuse you and fuck with your mind solely to get you accustomed to high stress situations, Situations where if you fuck up you are going to have to deal with dire consequences, yeah getting a boot in the chest sucks but guess what, I’m going to try my damnedest not to make that mistake again, and If I do make that mistake again I’m going to swiftly fix my shit before it hits the fan again. And in the end that’s what its about, making sure those recruits know that their mistakes could get someone fucked up or killed. Its really amazing actually going through 13 weeks and seeing what were once a cluster fuck of different people from different areas of life working together so no one gets fucked up that day.
    I respect my drill instructors immensely, as well as my SOI instructors, and i am confident that they have taught me effectively and to the best of their abilities,
    Also I was trained at Fort Lee for my mos, as you all should know this is an army base that trains every branch of the military in the ordinance side of things. Trust me on this, yes every branch in the us military has their shit bags, theres no full proof way to ween them out, but holy hell, ive never seen so many disrespectful people until I had to train with the army. The majority of them acted like children still, not to mention how they carried their rifles and there overall discipline. As much as I loved walking down a hallway, walking down the sidewalk, sitting in class etc and having some soldier flag me in the face multiple times, it got a little out of hand. If they had done that any time during boot camp or SOI in the marines, they would have gotten a rifle to the face among other things, and guess what you learn quick when you get a rifle shoved into your face.
    As for the navy and airforce, they were on the other side of the base so I cant say much of them except they seemed very timid around us haha. Now don’t take this as I dont respect the other branches, I have friends in every branch of the u.s military and respect all immensely. You probably wont agree with me but hey, to each his own.

    • FailedToAdapt

      No the abuse you and fuck with your mind because they are using psychological techniques to indoctrinate you into a cult.

      The military is a cult. Repeat, the military is a cult. And your indoctrination has taken a good hold of you.

      • Irish

        Haha yeah your right, I’m totally indoctrinated. They re-wired my mind to make me a mindless motivated killing machine, shoot. But hey no one seems to notice! Not my family, friends, or any other random civilians I meet! You could have came up with an actual rebuttal, but I guess your more of the mindless banter kind of person. Good for you!

        • Irish

          Yes your right, the military is a cult, Yet really more of a culture, but then again those are loosely the same thing! And your damn right I support my military, because in the end of they day, they are one of the few reasons we are still here today. As much as I love Russian, Chinese, North Korean culture, I prefer not to be euthanized! And im only a guest so I cant edit like you so yeah.

          • FailedToAdapt

            Look to my reply below. You never fought for my freedom. That is pure propaganda. Turn off the news and read some non-american history books.

          • Irish

            Yep, The united states is the only country that twists the news! HOLY SHIT we are the only ones in the wrong! Just kidding every country does it, so in reality we cant even believe non- american history! Crazy every country idealizes it self in their history books. Congrats your really smart!

          • FailedToAdapt

            You are right. And there is a fair amount of propaganda everywhere Just being non-American does not necessarily make it true. However, other nationalities are more likely to give a critical eye to someone else then we are going to give ourselves. Politicians don’t want their cogs to know that they are being used.

          • usmc_to_usaf

            I wouldn’t waste anymore breath on this one troll, the American flag has gone him to believe that he really is important to his country, but I digress.

        • FailedToAdapt

          We live in a land of flag waivers and trooper worshippers who believe the military is actually fighting for our freedom. I am not in the least bit surprised they don’t say “hey, you know what Sgt, i think you are in a military death cult bent on killing brown people so corporate amerika can make millions off the blood off our sons and daughters as well as the innocents abroad” No, your right they may have not noticed but that doesn’t mean your identity is not centered around being a part of a group that you would do anything it told you to do. It does not mean you are irrationally defending a group that immediately drop its loyalty with you the second you are useless to them. I am sorry it hurts that we are criticizing a backwards group that you hold so dear to your heart, but here at ihatetheusmc.com we think America can do better.

          • Irish

            Haha it doesn’t hurt me one bit! You have your opinions and that is alright. Thats the great thing about The United States! You have the freedom to speak your mind. Which you can hardly say is a false reality because if that were true you would have disappeared a long time ago! hahaha, who knows maybe you will soon enough 😉 Oh and don’t worry I don’t mindlessly do the governments bidding, Ya know theirs this crazy thing called the constitution. I pledged my allegiance to that crazy piece of paper and the citizens, not this crazy government. I will fullheartedly agree that the government is full of crazys, and that their are quite a few motivated idiots in the military, but we aren’t all that bad. By the way, propaganda works both ways sweetheart. You are also blinded by your righteous believes just as I am. In the end, we are all lied to, hell we even lie to ourselves! The human mind is a crazy thing isnt it!

          • FailedToAdapt

            “and that I will obey the orders of the
            President of the United States and the orders of the officers
            appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform
            Code of Military Justice” You also agreed to follow the order of a man who does not obey the Constitution. There are a host of laws that contradict the Constitution, but they are still followed. We haven’t actually declared war since WW2 but we still go to war. It’s funny, but the Constitution says that war is supposed to be declared by Congress. Oh, it looks like we shit the bed on that one for the past 70 years!
            You right I have freedom of speech right now. But you never protected that right for me. In fact in the time that you probably served (post 9-11 era) we have witnessed multiple rights lost due power-grabbing politicians. Where were the troops then? I do not have the right to privacy as the NSA revelations have shown. Maybe I will disappear. This country looks more fascist everyday.

            They are not beliefs if they are based on factual evidence. I agree that my belief is that Amerika deserves better than the Marine Corps.Everything else is fact. Don’t try to weasel your way out of the argument by saying the “we are all lied to, hell we even lie to ourselves” You volunteered for the military. You volunteered to be a president’s bitch You weren’t forced to sign your enlistment contract withna gun to your back so you are not getting out of responsibility on this one.

          • Irish

            How about you look at the context of the oath entirely instead of picking out a piece. If you read the entirety of it it it states that “I, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God”
            Let me point out the word AND “And that I will” As well as “Foreign and Domestic” Have you ever heard of unlawful orders? Yea that means that if the president gives me an order that goes against the constitution that I am to disobey it. He is now a domestic enemy. Also notice how it was placed after the Whole ” I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States” tidbit, giving precedence to the constitution over the president. Its really crazy how the structure of a sentence is so meaningful isnt it! I haven’t weaseled out of shit by the way, and am proud to serve.
            To defend the constitution the citizens of this country need to rise up, don’t try and put the entire weight on the military, Jesus you say we should be defending it yet where are you? Where is the rest of the country? Huh how about you civilians get off your asses and do something about it for a change? When the need arises members of the military will choose their sides just like ever other damn citizen so shut your mouth. You think your so damn righteous? You haven’t done shit to change anything your just some butt hurt kid.

          • FailedToAdapt

            The key word: “and”. That means that you will do both simultaneously support the Constitution and follow the president’s orders. However, they are at odds with each other and have been for some time. It’s really a catch 22. Go have some service buddies to refuse to fight in Afghanistan because they never officially declared war. See what happens. And that is just one example.

            I seriously hope you do pick the sides of the citizen. But the
            willingness by service members to follow orders when other moral
            dilemmas (Iraq War) have arisen leave my confidence shaking

            I don’t think I am ultra righteous. I am not on the front line protesting the absence of our civil liberties and the great inequality that is present in our world. You are right.

            But I am not the one who came to a site to spread false pretenses.

            And, I do not go around masquerading as a freedom fighter. America pays billions and billions of dollars for supposed defense of our country. All that occurs is imperialism. Maybe I am crazy but when I see all the lives lost– American and otherwise, and money spent I expect to see a little return for the nation’s collective investment. But, It just goes to line corporation’s pockets. They get freedom to act with impunity but if I was to do something that harmed nobody FOR EXAMPLE smoke a jay, I would go to jail, have a debilitating criminal record, and have to pay fines. I think my anger is reasonable.

    • tippity_top_kek

      ITT: Pussies that couldn’t handle it, stroking each other off.

  • FailedToAdapt

    I think I am going to cry. A politician’s stooge doesn’t like my viewpoint.

  • FailedToAdapt

    I love Marines. They represent all that is good in America. Stepping on others’ balls to make themselves look better.

    “No greater friend, no worse enemy” Am i right?

    • hooyut

      This hoard of motards help me remember just how fuckin’ stupid marines really are. I cannot believe my dumbass was one once…

  • AAVPOG

    A United States Marine who takes pleasure in another American’s pain and assumes his story is a lie while admitting that his undue harsh treatment would have worsened upon completion of boot camp? Wow, devil nuts, you are a shining example of what is wrong with the Corps right meow. Funny you should mention Civil Air Patrol though, as there are many former Marines in that particular program. By your implication, they must all be whiny ass pussies as well, eh?

  • hahahahaha

    If a vagina had a pussy it would be called what ever you name is. I’m just glad the DI’s weeded you out before you got someone killed in combat.

    • S.

      He weeded those DI’s out.

  • 29-Palms Salty Lance

    Yeah… I caught a clipboard to the throat and thrown by my kill-hat into my rack. Never complained because I expected that shit to happen to me. You’re the reason why the Corps is getting soft you little bitch. I hope you get IT’d till you puke everything you ate, scoop it up, and put it in your pocket. All because you don’t puke on your Senior DI’s front quarter deck. Fuck you you little bitch.

    • AAVPOG

      You went into boot camp expecting to be physically assaulted? It sounds like you may have had some emotional issues that should have been dealt with before you were allowed to disgrace my Depot. I doubt any of us will be allowing ourselves to accept Incentive Training, as none of us are dumb enough to go to boot camp again. Have fun in the Stumps, motivator. I hope those Chinese Field Days I keep seeing all over the motard facebook pages are preparing you to defend my freedom of speech from…whoever they tell you the enemy is these days.

    • usmc_to_usaf

      Here’s another great example of a Marine! OORAH!! Hey buddy, does it help you sleep at night to go online and put other people of whom you have never met? It makes me believe that’s misreable you are in the Corps, so in that sense all the more reason why he should be glad he’s not in; people like you.
      Hope you enjoy 29 palms, in the middle of nowhere as you do nothing but be convinced that you are actually doing a difference in this country.

  • usmc 0331

    The marine corps is there to train savages and fucking war fighters. Not soft lil pussies like this. If you wanna be weak do it in air force. We have honor and you just a fucking recruit dont rate the air you breath. I am an 0331 I have deployed and I have done my job. So I say to you (pvt pyle) join a fucking book club you weak minded lil bitch.
    Thats is all……..

    • hooyut

      Right, the marine corps has “honor”. What a joke. Go commit another war crime or terrorize another country with your “honor” you brainwashed pawn.

      • usmc 0331

        Have you ever been to a war zone?

        • usmc_to_usaf

          And even if he did, you’d probably say he’s lying because this is over the internet smart one! It’s cute that you think the Air Force is for pussies, is that what they make you believe when you were out sleeping in dirt, an Airman is sleeping comfortably in a hotel room?
          Do you mind explaining how much honor you have sir? All due respect, you are on the internet, taking the time out of your night to say some silly cuddly words to another person you never met because he joined a deceived branch and got out. I thought Marines fight for the weak, but…it seems here that a whle lot of you like to bully people who you like to call the weak. WOW!

  • hooyut

    Probably not nearly as bad as when the green weenie has its way with you.

  • usmc0311

    You are a Fucking pussy I was a marine for nine years. Boot camp is hard but nothing like. You say you are just a week ass bitch that does not deserve the name devil dog.

    • usmc_to_usaf

      Whoa there tough guy! Were you at bootcamp the same time he was? I don’t get how you motards who weren’t at bootcamp the same time as the author can say he’s lying. You weren’t there; you didn’t see him not get abused.
      I’ll repeat that just because bootcamp 9 years ago, it wasn’t the same bootcamp he went to. Now then killer, are you so angry because he got out and didn’t waste 9 years of his life unlike you did? Why else are you so angry that he posted it?

      • bootasfuck

        According to Ninja, this sudden upsurge in trolls/motards is from another Facebook linked site where it’s members are known for their prominent sexism. Honestly mate (and this goes for the rest of the commoners here), I wouldn’t listen to anything they have to say, or even respond to them because it’s just not worth it and we have better things to do than butt heads with people who think other people are beneath them

        • fieldradiohater

          agree, just like this one dude telling the author how hes a scumbag. Which is the same guy that is against racisim, is professional IT guy, all american nice christian…but yet is a member of the f’kn wookie website, what the fuck? i wonder if he would be willing to tell the husband, family, and children; who’s mother/wife was killed in combat that she was a wookie and heres a link to the website *in person* but no he’d be the same fuck that would be all dressed up and give his “warming sympathy” then go back to trashing females… most of these trolls have double standards

        • usmc_to_usaf

          It’s always good fun to counter-troll, but it is growing rather tiring. Almost all these trolls say the same thing, without realizing how stupid they look. I believe somewhere, perhaps somebody directly posted a link to this topic specifically. Otherwise he can there be so many on this one topic?

          • bootasfuck

            My thoughts exactly

    • IhateMoturds

      Go pound sand, you hard ass deceived jarhead! What makes you so great, cuz you a mindless grunt who knows nothing better than how to kill? You was the governments bitch for 9 years, you dumb twat.

      Butthurt Grunt!!!!!

    • hooyut

      You really have no stance to bring to the conversation do you? You were in for 9 years? Cool story bro, tell it again.

      If deserving the name devil dog means you forget when the appropriate time to use “week” and “weak” is then you can certainly keep it, I don’t claim it anymore. If that kind of simple mistake becomes the norm, just how dumb are you?

      Being a slave/marine is not a point of pride.

    • S.

      Dude bootcamp is easy. I did it. So did the rest of us. We know it’s easy, so stop telling us what you tell your parents.

      Allowing someone to draw blood and let them get away with it is the hard part.

  • Knob_Gaudy

    How are they not bigger bitches for putting up with it? Help me understand your logic here : Someone fucks with me, I just take it and chug along, I’m tough. If I report it, or leave, or fight back, I’m a bitch? taking it like a bitch=/=taking it like a man? really? really?

  • hooyut

    Quite the purge we have going on, eh? I like it!

    • usmc_to_usaf

      Was fun while it lasted I suppose. Gotta wonder why the majority only came to troll this thread; I would think I’d have more trolls on mine.

      • hooyut

        The original link they posted on the wook website was to this story. Those incompetent few that could figure out how to get here probably couldnt figure out how to navigate the site.

        • usmc_to_usaf

          The only thing they all even knew how to say was “bitch pussy didn’t make it blah blah derp piece of shit muahahah me better dan J00!!!! OORAH”

      • hooyut

        The original link they posted on the wook website was to this story. Those incompetent few that could figure out how to get here probably couldnt figure out how to navigate the site.

  • IronLungsQ

    IRONLUMGS IS BACK MOTHERFICKERS!!!

    I Will not let any of you fake Marines make a fool out of me again OORAG!!! I see the pussy isn’t as big of a wimp as the Chair Force bitch but still a pussy and I don’t give a shit if I was a POG, I still made MARINE!!!!

    Good to see there is a lot more motivators here OORAHH!! Listen up fake jarheads:

    I just out of the Corps due to having Asthma, I didn’t quit like this fag here or the other Air Force bitch. I was in for 3 years getting out as a LCPL with medical pay!!! I have a veteran card, and I have diagnosed myself with PTSD from MCT!!! My asshole combat instructors gave it to me so now I jump when I hear explosions. I too have been fucked by the Corps in some way, but I am still not a wmp who didn’t make it! You don’t see me complaining here either OORAH! I am going to do everything in my power to make sure this gay website gets shutdown mark my words!!! You do not mess with IronLungs!!!! Watch me gather more motivators here to bomb your website!!!

    I’ll give you duch bags one last chance to apologize before I get this blog raided!!! YES IM TALKING TO YOU NUNJA PUNK AND S. THE SLUT!!!!!

    • usmc_to_usaf
    • madmike

      LOL!!! It has to be fake but I could still see some motarded POG’s being just like this.

      • IronLungsQ

        The only thing here that is fake is your bulshit motifation devil!fucking typis, im done with this shit you all are nothinng but buttkissers. IronLungs will get his….just you wait!!!

        • madmike

          Bitch you seriously need to get a copy of “hooked on phonics” or “spelling for dummies”. And did your candy ass really get kicked out for asthma?

          • IronLingsQ

            And if I don’t muthorfriggen grunt?! I got a 45 on the ASVAB child, I am an honor student in hi school so don’t even try that bullshit. Yes I did get medseppd because of Asthma so me getting out wasn’t my fault, the Corps did it. Unlike you quitters OORAH!!

            Plus grunts are dumb and complin too mixh

            These tupos are rellying pissing MD off fick.

          • Knob_Gaudy

            So youre basically complaining about the corps to us, as per the purpose of this site. cheers.

            oh by the way, what kind of school did you go to? I was barely top 10 percent of my class, and made a 90 on the ASVAB without any prep

          • madmike

            You REALLY need to learn to spell before you type. BTW I got 99 on my ASVAB. A 45 means 55 percent of all recruits who took the test outscored you. So that means you scored in the bottom 50 percent of recruits…POG!

          • IronLungsQ

            Listen punk I can spell just fine you turd. I got a 45 first try OORAH I bet you cheated for 99 most grunts get a 31 so that must mean your stupid and cheated!!!

            I bet you can’t prove you got a 99 either fool!!!!!!

          • madmike

            Actually you can’t spell worth a damn. And I’ve known grunts who could speak multiple languages and now have advanced degrees while you write like a 3rd grader…POG!!!

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            32 is the minimum passing score. From the couple of months that I spent as a platoon clerk I noticed that most marines typically score from around 35 up to around a 60 or so. You’re actually on the low end for most marines.

            Frankly, I don’t think madmike, or anyone else here owes you proof of their ASVAB scores. Especially if you’re just going to make baseless claims that anyone who outscored you cheated.

            That said, I’ll give you a chance. Here’s my proof that I scored a 93 on the ASVAB. Do you have any evidence to suggest that I cheated? If not, I suggest that you quit making nonsense claims unless you have some evidence to back them up.

            Safety and Peace

          • AAVPOG

            “Hear me, young heathen
            My spelling; Impeccable
            Your honesty; lies!”

          • Jonathan Capichano

            Not everyone wanted to get kicked out. I didnt make it and I asked to stay. Im trying to get a Jag lawyer but I dont have the money yet, Still Even though I dont like the name of this site I still like what its doing and so should you.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            It’s very important to you that getting out “wasn’t your fault” isn’t it? If I had to guess, I’d say that deep down you didn’t really like the marine corps. I’d further wager that you LIKED getting out. But you don’t want to admit that you liked getting out because you think that, if you liked getting out, then that means that you admit that being in was too tough for you.

            That’s probably why you insist on putting “oohrah” in caps lock on so many of your posts. You hope that, if you keep telling people that you liked being in, they won’t look down on you for not finishing your enlistment.

            You know that your life can amount to something outside of the marine corps right? You can become a business owner, you can be successful in college, you can develop close social relationships… you can do all sorts of things to fill your life with meaning. You don’t always have to be consumed by what you clearly view to be a “failure” to complete a full enlistment. You can move on and have a meaningful life.

            Would you like to talk about it? You’d be surprised by the number of people on this site that I and other members have helped. I’d be willing to bet that we can help you too.

            Safety and Peace

          • IronLingsQ

            I don’t need some peace vullshit you are trying to pull.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            But I’m right, aren’t I. That’s why you made such a short response. You know that if you keep talking you’ll eventually prove me right. Worse, you’re worried that you’ll prove it to yourself and then you’ll have to face up to it.

            You don’t want to admit that this motivated marine persona that you have is really just a mask you wear to protect your ego and sense of self worth. It’s ok to admit that you don’t know who you are outside of your marine persona. That’s the first step to figuring out who you are and what you want to do with your life. It’s also ok to admit that you didn’t actually like the marine corps. You’re among friends.

            Safety and Peace

          • usmc_to_usaf

            Perhaps when his friends will stop feeding into his ego, he’ll come back to us on better terms. Until then, the door is open bud! I can promise you I have no personal grudge against you for attacking my article; matter of fact I’m thankful.

          • fieldradiohater

            yo I’m about to out POG you; I know where the Chow Hall is at, Camp Geiger, 29 Palms, 33 area, 22 area, 14 area, horno, Amphibious Assault school, (camp pendleton), uss pearl harbor, uss peleliu, NSA souda bay, camp virgina, al udeid air base, al taqaddum, camp habbaniyah… TWO chow halls away from a ribbon… come at me!

          • fieldradiohater

            oh im not trying to be funny, if i were to be dropped off at any of those places, all it would take is: “ok you remember where the chow hall is” ME: “oh yeah”… “ok well go 3 buildings down from there… haha

          • AAVPOG

            Bullshit has no “V.”
            Someone find his spell-check, please.
            Maybe fat fingers?

          • bootasfuck

            Yup…it’s fake

          • AAVPOG

            Forty-five is low.
            Do you even ASVAB, bro?
            You sir, are a joke.

      • usmc_to_usaf

        I would be seriously scared for this person if it isn’t fake. Here I am just drinking water and I nearly choked laughing reading his post, had to wipe my monitor thanks to him…
        Does he not realize he is making more of a fool of himself each time he posts like this??

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          I don’t think he’s joking… the scary part is I’m pretty sure that he’s not aware just how foolish he sounds.

          • bootasfuck

            I work in corrections. I have met some DUMB people who’ve been incarcerated. Maybe it’s just my young, naive, 23 year old mind…but I fail to believe there are people this dumb in the world. I’ve seen people stick their dicks in a snake’s mouth, I’ve seen people test a bullet proof vest by wearing it (spoiler: vest failed), I’ve even seen people drink shampoo as a form of protest, but I cannot physically believe THIS is actually happening. I refuse to believe, that we as a species, can be this fucktarded.

          • usmc_to_usaf

            Likewise I agree…well no more going on here while I’m at work. From time to time I get down time, but today I almost burst out laughing scaring all my co-workers next to me…

    • FailedToAdapt

      Dude, I am sorry we hurt you so deeply.

      Can I suggest counseling?

      May I also suggest hooked on phonics? I can understand that spelling can be difficult for your average marine. I know it worked for me when I was five.

      Hope you have a great day and that other websites stating their views don’t get you down as much as this one.

      I would like to reiterate. We are deeply sorry.

      • IronLungs Q

        Don’t fuckjng dare call me hurt, you are a child! Cumplaining about my Corps and making a FOOL out of me?!

        • madmike

          How can anyone be this fucking stupid? I swear this must be a joke.

          • bootasfuck

            I’m starting to think he’s not even a real motard. I honestly just think he’s one of us playing a joke and trying to be funny; giving us something to mock. And honestly, it’s freakin’ working. I haven’t laughed this hard since I saw somebody puke so much they clogged the toilet.

        • FailedToAdapt

          I don’t even want to go down this road with you because it is against my morals to instigate fights with retards.
          Edit: deleted previous comment redirected to IronLungsQ

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Honestly, I would gladly admit to something as impressive as making a fool out of you. Unfortunately, it would seem that you’ve already done that all by yourself.

        • bootasfuck

          You did it yourself, pal. It’s not my fault I knew the diddy better than you. And there’s no J in “fucking”.

        • AAVPOG

          Your spelling is poor
          A dictionary would be
          A good investment

    • AAVPOG

      Seriously, brah, you can get your GED for dirt cheap these days, even free in some places. The VA will help you out.

    • hooyut

      That was hilarious! It’s like you make fun of motards for us. Seriously, you want to come on here, tell us you gamed the system and think we will take you seriously? 3 year lance, gets out with athsma and medical pay, PLUS PTSD from MCT??? LOL
      That was too funny…

      • usmc_to_usaf

        Before I die out of laughter, someone needs to take him off the internet…QUICK.
        I’m trying to figure out if he’s REALLY trolling, or if he doesn’t realize how much of a fool he’s making out of himself?!

        • hooyut

          I’d say the latter, he sounds just like some kid I knew who broke his arm intentionally, was about a year in, never went anywhere, had 3+ stories of how it happened, even had other guys who knew the chain of events to prove it was self inflicted, and was still going to get med sep’d.

          • usmc_to_usaf

            So other people like him exist? Yikes..glad I’m out.

        • bootasfuck

          I still think he’s one of us playing a joke and giving us something to laugh at.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      “I have diagnosed myself with PTSD from MCT” You know… there’s a word for people who diagnose themselves with PTSD… they’re called “people who haven’t been diagnosed with PTSD”. On top of that, you seriously expect us to believe that you got PTSD from MCT? Get real.

      I’m sorry that your self-esteem is so low that you lack any sense of self-worth without the marine corps. You know, if you were actually in for 3 years, you can probably go to the VA and talk to a counsellor about your self-esteem issues.

      By the way, we’ve had all sorts of trolls on here over the years. Do you know what they all have in common? They’re not scary. Go ahead and do everything in your power to shut down this website. Nothing you do will have any impact on the operation of this site.

      Safety and Peace

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      Hey madmike, I know it’s tempting, but try not to sink to the level of a troll. I think you’re better than that. I agree that having PTSD from MCT is pretty ridiculous (unless his instructors seriously assaulted him or some highly unorthodox behavior like that). That said, we can call him out for that without resorting to name-calling.

      Safety and Peace

    • bootasfuck

    • AAVPOG

      Here is a nice Haiku to make you feel better:

      Keyboard Warriors
      Make me sad for the future
      I’m so glad I’m out

      • NINJA_PUNCH

        Your haikus are outstanding.

    • StupidNCOs

      I hope you got butt rape in MCT… Did you get butt rape? You don’t need to answer that… Cuz, we all know what happen… Lol, your ass is still sore…

    • R.E.M.F.

      IronLungs,

      You support the organization that fucked up your head, forever? That’s mental illness.

      You think anyone on here gives a good, flying FUCK what your opinion is? Only the others who agree with you, of course.

      You can have your opinion, that’s your right. You also have the right to have no self-confidence in yourself, to worship the oppressor, and to wave your “bird, ball, and hook” flag down the street.

      Guess what? I’VE BURNED THAT MOTHER FUCKER, along with all my uniforms and medals. Don’t need that fuckin’ shit.

      Go ahead and post here, no one cares. Go die for this system then. It’s your choice. WHO GIVES A SHIT?

      • hooyut

        Ive never heard the bird ball and hook before, I’m definitely remembering that. I burst out laughing when I read that.

      • bootasfuck

        “Bird, ball, and hook”. LMAO. Wow! I mean…just wow. I’ve never heard that before. Next time I hang with my buddy who was also in, I’m gonna use that. Thank you for making my day

  • Guest

    Im trying to get back into the Marines. Does anyone know How I can sue to get back in. Where can I get a Jag lawyer? A free jag Lawyer?

    • FailedToAdapt

      Dude, suing the Marine Corps to get back in is the equivalent banging on the jail walls asking them to let you stay longer. it boggles my mind. Why don’t you see this a blessing?

      • Guest

        Theres a long story behind it. I’ve posted this before.

        • FailedToAdapt

          I know, I read it. I understand that you are not weak just because you broke down at boot camp.

          However, the Marine Corps is HIGHLY overrated. And I am willing to bet a lot of money that many of your former platoon members wish they never joined.

          And don’t be pissed off at yourself. 4 hours of screaming, only to be told to do that again? That’s fucking horseshit and any self-respecting individual shouldn’t put up with that.

          • Young recruit

            I’m not really sure how much time it was but it was from right out of chow I think to getting ready to shower. So that’s maybe 2 or 3 hours. It sure felt like forever. I remember the guys patting me on the back as they walked by to. My senior drill instructor was pissed at what happened. He didn’t want to see me go. He did care for us and helped us when he could.

          • FailedToAdapt

            Well, I can safely say that the majority of the organization does not care about. It wants to use your body for labor and then spit you out once you are useless to them.

          • FailedToAdapt

            Well, I can safely say that the majority of the organization does not care about. It wants to use your body for labor and then spit you out once you are useless to them.

          • R.E.M.F.

            NO Jonathan, your Senior Drill Instructor DID NOT GIVE A GOOD HEARTY CRAP ABOUT YOU.

            Come on, young man. What is your major mental malfunction? You can’t learn from your experiences?

            I really hate to be critical, but if you can’t learn from that you must be stupid.

            DO NOT DO IT.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Honestly, I think FailedToAdapt is right. You’ve had an opportunity to learn from your past. They say “we won’t give up on you even after you’ve given up on yourself”, and I admit that sounds really nice. The thing is, what it really means is “We will do anything in our power to get you to squeak past the graduation requirements, even if you’re really not a good fit for the institution, and likely won’t be very happy during your enlistment”.

          I can understand feeling that you feel as though you’ve somehow failed, and now you want to prove something to yourself. But even if you get back in, that’s three months to prove it to yourself, and then another 3 years and 9 months of hating your life.

          My best suggestion to you would be to try to move on with your life. Focus on all of the things that you now have the opportunity to do, rather than reflection on what might have been.

          Of course, you’re always welcome on the site if you need to talk to someone.

          Safety and Peace

      • Guest

        I was kicked out of boot camp cause part of me wanted to quit. See Before I joined I had depression and one case of attempted suicide. I kept it secrete from my recruiters. One day in receiving week my platoon was told to clean the barracks I did so without question. Once everything was mopped and cleaned we all had nothing to do. So I went to one of the drill instructors and asked in the correct way “Sir good afternoon sir, Recruit NAME, requests permission to speak Sir!” After he screamed “What!” I asked in the proper way (In the third person as I always did) if there was anymore work to be done. He then looked at me and said “Oh you want more work, you must think your fucking special. I got something for you to do bitch.” He then made me stand in front of a mirror and scream to the top of my lungs for about 4 hours, “This recruit is a recruit cause because this recruit is a recruit”. When told to do that again the next day I couldn’t handle it. I broke down and said “I quit this is just bull shit”. I immediately regretted saying that. I didnt want to quit, just didnt want to do that again for no good reason. I then told them about my previous battles with depression soon after and they kicked me out. While waiting to go home I got to speak to some of the drill instructors before I left. From what I gather, half mean what they say (cause that’s all they know) and the other half don’t. I was able to do any work out they could throw at me but the mirror, that mind game is just to much for me. I know I can fight. Been in plenty of those and Have the scares to prove it, but the mental games was just to much. I can see why they are the few and the proud. Chears to the guys that made it. But all that said I want back in. I’ve been cleared by a medical doctor for almost 4 years now. I still remember the promise the D.I.s made while I was in the platoon. They said they wouldn’t give up on us, even if we gave up on ourselves. Even in my release forms from Boot it says” He has a positive attitude and is deemed low risk of harming himself and others. I wasn’t even put on suicide watch but many others were. I’m really pissed off at myself.

        • R.E.M.F.

          When you are talking to your best friend, turn away, then turn back and see his head gone from his jaw bone up… you fucking tell me you want in that shit, kid?

          • Guest

            I see that your mad or annoyed by me trying to get in. Look I didn’t mean to offend you. Sorry if I did.

          • hooyut

            We are all here warning you about your desperate attempt to become a slave to a broken and corrupt system. You need to have the maturity and humility to take the advice given you to heart. If you can’t get back in, STOP TRYING. You have so much opportunity you are wasting on this delusion of grandeur.

            Even if you got in, there is no doubt you would wind up on this site again with more regret than you could imagine. For your sake, just understand that you will hate your life and you will be nothing more than a piece of meat for a corrupt government.

            Move on with your life, this opportunity to not be in is something any marine would trade you in a heartbeat. Don’t squander this gift you are so willing to throw away.

      • Guest

        Cause i guess Im just more made at myself. I know allot of people look at me as a failure. Maybe thats just in my head but thats how I feel when ever I see a Marine now.

        • bootasfuck

          Dude, I know how you feel. Trust me, and read everybody else’s stories too, you did the right thing. Think about what you wanna do with your life and attack it! Challenge yourself that way. Or if you still wanna be in an armed service branch, go Air Force Reserves (they have the most transferrable skills on the planet…next to the Coast Guard). Maybe you can talk to usmc_to_usaf for stuff about the Air Force. I’ll always recommend law enforcement and a degree in something you love. I even talked to an assistant police chief today for a local agency and he said, “We honestly don’t care about military service. We prefer to judge the caliber of the individual over what jobs he may or may not have had”.

          I also recommend finding other Marines or ex-Marine Corps individuals who are out and talking with them. Might sound counter-productive, but one of my best friends on my campus did four years and he is about as demotivated as they come. We literally spend hours at the bar talking about the shit that goes on and how happy we are to be civilians. I can always count on him to remind me why the fuck I’m out.

          You wanna stop feeling like a failure? Then go find something you love to do, and get good at it. No…become the most badass mother fucker on the planet at what you love to do. Be successful at that, and remember, don’t let what other people say get you down. Because 99% of them will never step onto those yellow footprints; so fuck them! They will never know what you went through, so they have no right to judge you.

          • Guest

            Thanks it means allot to hear that. I still want to join though lol. I know it sounds crazy.

          • bootasfuck

            Well, maybe the Marines is for you. It might be good for you, but really the best I can say is don’t go back unless you’re 100% ready. But you are welcome

          • Guest

            Thank you. Any advice on how to fight my way back in. I just talked to a recruiter who said and I quote, “If you can get the re entry code changed and show me the navy documents about your evaluation then Ill work with you”. I would like to see if there are more options.

          • bootasfuck

            I have an alternative for you. Army. The Army was what I originally wanted to join, but I fell for the propaganda and the posters and the dress blues of the Marine Corps. I was chewing the fat with some guy yesterday, learned he did six years in the Army. He told me he loved being in the Army and he was in supply…but he got assigned to an Air Assault unit that needed a supply guy. So he got all this cool training. After talking with this guy I learned that all things being equal the Army gets better training. When this guy got transferred to the Air Assault unit, they straight up taught him Krav Maga.

            From what I’ve heard and read, the Army always has advanced training available. In the Army you can always find some way to challenge yourself. Rangers are only open to infantry/combat MOS’s I believe, but Green Berets are open to everyone Sgt on up. Airborne is open to a lot of MOS’s. They do straight up ground fight training in the Army. Most of the stuff the Army issues is actually in good condition. My personal opinion is that the Army M4 is better than the Marine Corps M16. Range is roughly the same, barrel twist is the same, same basic platform, but the M4 is lighter and shorter which means it’s better for room clearing. Certain units in the Army are issuing/authorizing SIG-Sauer pistols (which are damn fine guns) in lieu of the Beretta.

            Also, if you’re in your early 20s I HIGHLY recommend the officer route. You can go to school while serving in the National Guard through a Gold program. If you’ve got some maturity and life experience and wisdom officer route is better than taking orders from some 19 year old E3 who doesn’t know the difference between his butthole and a bullethole.

            All that being said if the US Marine Corps is what you want, then nothing we say or do is going to stop you, and all I can say is good luck. And I mean it.

          • Guest

            Thank you so much. Its good to hear from people like you. Ill admit part of me did join for the uniform lol. But my grandpa was a marine and so was his. I did speak to an army recruiter and a marine one recently. The marine said he would work with me if I can get the code changed. The army guy said he would regardless. Either way thank you for supporting me. Some of my friends from RSP are not sleeping well. Some cant even watch action flicks any more without feeling down about failing or quitting. Ill tell them the same thing you said to me.

          • bootasfuck

            I’m glad I can be of assistance buddy. Out of curiosity, what do you wanna do with your life? What is your ultimate dream? For example, I’ve wanted to go law enforcement most of my life. If you wanna go law enforcement after military, Coast Guard is probably your best bet. I turned down the USCG and still went to Parris Island. Regretted it, and I’m still kinda paying for it, and kinda wish I could do that instead, but all things being equal I’m 23 years old and not sure whether I was destined to be in the military to begin with. So I’d recommend going into a branch that helps you achieve your dream the best. The Marines might be nice, but they have NOTHING on a Coastie or an Airman who did LE work. See what I’m talking about?

            You have any more questions or want any more advice just ask mate

          • usmc_to_usaf

            I acutally didn’t keep in touch with anyone from RSP, however if they are feeling down SHOW THEM THIS SITE!! Hell I still can’t seem to understand that after coming here, you still want to go back in. I mean have you took the time to read about other people’s experiences?!
            I’ll be honest, a little after getting in the Air Force, from time to time I pass by Marines I still got a little jealous. That’s why I’m so thankful for this site, because it shows I’m not missing out on anything.

          • usmc_to_usaf

            As far as getting back into the Marine Corps, I don’t see what else you can do. Getting discharged from the branch that you want to request a waiver is like trying to apply for a job that just fired you in a sense.
            Changing your discharge code can be very tricky…I don’t know a whole lot about it myself. I heard you have to write to the Naval boards why you think it should be changed, and the only reason you really have is because you want another chance in the Marines. I’d suggest you look into Army or the Air Force. If you read my story, you’ll see what a good choice I made.

          • Guest

            Where do i look up your story? Plus I might go army in a few months but I dont think I would be good with the air force. I’m not cut out to fly planes. You need to be really smart to do that stuff. I’m a history buff and from I heard about you air guys its allot of math.

          • usmc_to_usaf

            http://ihatetheusmc.com/first-regretted-quitting-now-glad-more-than-ever/

            There’s the link of what happened to me in bootcamp; as you can see I quit as well.

            That’s nothing but a superstition of the Air Force. Listen bud, I got a 55 on the ASVAB, failed 3x before going in the Marines, and I don’t fly planes. I’m a Dental Tech, and if I can make it in the Air Force so can you. I’m not gonna say any idiot could as it took a lot of heart for me to get back in, but it can be done.

          • R.E.M.F.

            Jonathan,

            It does sound crazy. If you do it, you are a glutton for punishment.

            STOP. THINK. Do you really want to be in an organization that thinks of you as a piece of shit?

            Man, don’t do it. If you do and wind up nuts or dead, don’t come crying to me. I hang with a lot of vets, some of them are really, really messed up. I am messed up, and it was 40 fucking years ago.

            DO NOT DO THAT TO YOURSELF. PLEASE.

    • FailedToAdapt

      I don’t mean to belittle you. I just think you are making another horrible mistake and you had to an opportunity to learn from the first go around. If I had known better I would have never returned my second year for NROTC and taken upon 14k in debt for doing so (the first year was free, no strings attached). But I choose to leave because I found out the truth and now I have to repay Uncle Sam.

      You are lucky not to be a part of the Marine Corps! Enjoy your freedom! You can do more for society as a civilian than you ever could do as a Corporate tool/marine.

      Read War is a Racket by Smedley Butler. It is as true today as it was back then! It will open your eyes.

    • madmike

      The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that no one has a constitutionally protected right to serve in the armed forces. it is a privilege but not a right. My brother tried but failed to get into the Navy that way.

  • anhonestamerican

    Dude, of coarse they’re going to treat you like shit you are a recruit. Your’e going to get screamed at and fucked with, the proper response is to stand at attention and “PLEASE SIR ID LIKE SOME MORE!” You are supposed to be developing a warrior ethos, not get your hand held and pandered. I don’t know what you think the USAF or USA BMT’s are like, but I assure you it’s no better. I saw a kid get picked up and physically thrown into a wall locker, My My MTI made put my entire flight on the deck and push Texas for over an hour, while I laughed and chanted “haha pop a muscle get recycled, pop a muscle get recycled” to my WHOLE FUCKING FLIGHT. I will tell you what though, my wall locker was in perfect inspection order all day every day after that. I saw a kid get his chow tray literally chucked at his face because he didn’t preform a proper reporting statement. They use peer pressure to get what they want. You see bud, the trick is bond together as a flight, platoon, company, or whatever. You have to rely on your battle buddy, and vice versa. The whole point of BMT is to train you to accept and embrace the suck/bullshit to push on and accomplish your mission. If you cannot understand and embrace that, then no offense, but in my opinion you’re not cut out to wear the uniform. Suck it up and press on, cus guess what? BMT will be the easiest thing you will ever do in your military career, short of signing your discharge papers. If you can’t cut in BMT you’re not going to cut in the “real Marines”. Sorry bro, but not everyone is cut out to wear a uniform.

    SSgt. Jeremy Roy USAF

    • usmc_to_usaf

      Having been through the taste of 2 different bootcamps, I guess you can either say the AF BMT has either “weakened itself down” or changed drastically over the years.
      BMT was stressful, but in no way was abuse ever tolerated. Our MTIs would specifically tells us that if we felt we were abused or mistreated, to let them know or let the Squadron Commander know immediately. I know many E7s and above who also said abuse wasn’t allowed back in the day, so I find your story very hard to believe.
      Being an Airman I’m not sure why you’re using naval terminology “floor as Deck”? I remember getting chewed out a few times in BMT because I said “the deck” and “aye sir”. I also highly disagree that BMT was the easiest, as I find the Operational Air Force much like a civilian job, and have no need to remember how to roll a sand T-shirt properly or ground things to inspection side.

      • anhonestamerican

        I used the term “deck” as this kid posting was in the Marines, and as I knew the deck to them is just the floor to us. I don’t care if you find the story hard to believe I was there. TSgt. Perez, I’m not too sure whatever happened to the guy. I do know he was taken off flight shortly after that, as he had done other stuff in the past. Word was he received a 15 LOS, but I never found out as he wasn’t my TI. Yeah you go to the 320 TRS CC and tell him you’re being “mistreated” I would love to be a fly on the wall for that conversation. Yeah because it “wasn’t allowed” doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. I have heard the horror stories now of how the Trainees have “stress cards” seriously what the shit is that? Now I will agree with you that some jobs in the USAF are what you would call the “chair force” things like weather, Ops, MXS, especially ANYTHING in FSS. There are a few jobs out there where you are indeed in the shit, in a bare base, using cat holes, and temper tents, and so on and so on. Things like TACP, REDHORSE, SFS, PJs, CW, CCTs, JSTAR, a lot of stuff in CE, and other things that could be attached to a CRG. Those are the high tempo jobs. I had a rotation of six and six in my bundle. I had short order to TDY’s to quite literally holes in the ground in the middle of fuck nowhere. I’m not saying I earned the Air Force Cross or some crazy shit, but I have been posted in bizarre ass locations across the globe for undertimined periods of time with bare base essentials, and it indeed sucked ass. I never single handedly repelled an enemy attack, I could probably count on both hands how many times I encountered “fire” and could probably count on one hand how many times I “enganged” a target, if that’s what were calling it. However I accomplished my mission of advancing to a strategic location, securing military resources, and making sure no one stole/blew it up. The point of the matter I’m trying to make and most veterans can agree with me, the majority of your time spent in the military is spent doing the absolute most mind-numbingly mundane things, while once in a while, shitting your pants. The point is you’re under stress and you have to accomplish your mission. That is what BMT is all about. If the hardest thing you have ever done in the military is AF BMT, than I feel very sorry for you bud, because clearly you’re not experiencing a challenge worth having.

        • usmc_to_usaf

          So tell how much integrity is being instilled by our leaders if they’re training you their own way, and not within the AF regulations? I’m sure you had to have heard about the whole rape scenarios in Lackland; and it plays a huge reason why boot camp has “toned down”. Regardless of what Squadron you are in, BMT as a whole has its rules to follow. Abuse is not training no matter how you put it, and because that one MTI broke the rule and raped a Trainee, he ruined it for other MTIs to have every one of them watched before the line is even crossed. So what’s the bottom line with that? Now MTIs have to even watch what they say as far as swearing to a Trainee. There weren’t any stress cards when I went back in (2012) however it was highly emphasized on what MTI were not allowed to do.
          These are the rules for a reason, and breaking them because you want to make a “tougher Airman, Marine, whatever” does not make it okay to break them, nor does it make it okay to do so. I agree that BMT is supposed to place stress onto an individual, and it can and still does today without having the need to resort to physical abuse.
          You won’t need to feel sorry for me, because best believe I am getting what I want out of the military. Much thanks for your concern though.

          • anhonestamerican

            The problem is the regulations. Air Force is already viewed as the “civilians of the military” by watering down even more, regardless of the “rape” scenario, doesn’t mean you’re making “tougher” service members. “abuse” is a relative term. The integrity mantra is a facade the USAF leaders hide behind. I noticed that they use that a lot when they’re pulling some bullshit. Such as during the sequester, or during their Force Shaping Extravaganza (essentially lay-offs) I saw a LOT of good airmen get rail roaded because they didn’t get along with the CCF. I saw a SrA (probably the best airmen in my flight) get paperwork that resulted in an Art. 15 because he followed the orders of a SSgt, in the presence of a TSgt. who was flight chief certified, and because of that Art 15 destroyed his CJR and resulted in him getting the big ugly X. The whole time during this debacle we kept hearing Ops saying “integrity this, and integrity that” Ok well where’s your integrity SMSgt. For letting this good airmen hang out to dry? You know what I got? Paperwork for calling him out on this bullshit discharge. Wanna know what happened to that Ssgt.? An LOR. A desk one at that. How can you sit there and talk about “integrity” in USAF leadership when that shit was going on USAF wide? Not to mention the COUNTLESS sex scandals, the failure of CCs to prosecute field grade officers and above for rape, then still sat there and screamed to the Joint Chiefs to not take away their prosecution rights? The embezzlement problems, not to mention the complete fuck ups involving the improper handling of nuclear grade weapons! Like I said it’s a facade they hide behind while they’re too busy buddy fucking each other to realize what they’re doing to their enlisted ranks. This type of BMT, and the mentality it fosters is probably the majority of where this is coming from. Which also plays into hand the reason of these self-entitled nutsacks coming straight out of BMT.

          • usmc_to_usaf

            While I hear that there are problems in the Air Force, and it sounds like you have seen a lot of BS in your units, I’m not understanding how this ties down to BMT being “tough”. Aside from your negative experiences, many leaders in my unit have been a great example as far as professionalism.

            Are you blaming BMT for the cause of incompetent leaders? You mean to say that because it’s so “watered down” is why there are problems in the Air Force, or the military overall? I mean obviously the SMSgt you mentioned who didn’t have integrity went to BMT in the old school days; so how did the “weaker” BMT make him the poor leader he is, if he went during the times before you went and saw the tougher things that happened? Maybe I’m not entirely understanding your post.

            Because what I’m getting from you is that because BMT is so weak, there any many bad leaders who don’t follow their own rules. I would say the opposite; rather if they went to BMT where the MTIs never followed their rules, they’d become those type of leaders. All the integrity problems with the regulations you explained, I can’t seem to see how they tie into abuse being allowed.

          • anhonestamerican

            Again “abuse” is a relative term. Was it abuse for me to taunt an entire flight and for the MTI to encourage a little “auxiliary training” if you will? Some would say it would, others would call it “peer checking” I’m in the latter group. The point I’m making is the whole USAF has shifted to this new “corporate” model and its sickening.

            NCO’s and CCF’s are so ready to hand out paperwork like its freakin candy, rather than take the time to “train” their airmen. I wasn’t able to drop my airmen any more because it was considered emotionally abusive. Instead, what they taught at ALS, what I was supposed to do, was sit down have a pow-wow about that airmen’s “feelings” and get all touchy feely and apparently be his psychiatrist. The thing is yeah physical pain is considered “mean” but at least my corrective action doesn’t follow an airmen around for 15 years and screw up his chances at promotion, special duty assignment, or deployment or whatever. He got a little dirty, he was sore as shit the next day, but he fixed himself, learned from his mistake and doesn’t have a black mark following him around for the rest of his career because he screwed up once when he was 19 and gets hit held against him 15 years later.

            The thing is all these leaders in now, are so enthralled with trying to climb on each other that no one is realizing what this is doing. Look at the new PT scale, explain how the fuck is that supposed to be effective? Any fuckin-body with half a brain who knows anything about physical fitness could tell you that, that model is completely fucked. According to the USAF your’e supposed to be skinny, wirey, with substantial impact strength, but apparently just be able to jog forever.

            This is just one of many. The changes started at the top when senior leaders started buddy fucking each other to get to the top, then did everything in their power to “weed out” the real leaders. The old school SSgts. that didn’t take the whiny crap that junior members are dishing out now. I had a TSgt. when I was in as a junior member that fucked with me constantly. He embarrassed me when I failed an M4 qual, by making me carry around a broom stick instead of my weapon for a week, and go through “battle drills” with my broom stick. When I got an 80% on my member QC he made me carry around a big ass coconut and made me care for it, name it, and present it to him on command, all because I didn’t get a 90% because he knew I could do better. He NEVER gave out paperwork to ANYBODY. He would embarrass the fuck out of you, and put you through such an immense amount of physical pain that you learned from your mistakes. Rather than just sign a piece of paper with a “yeah ok whatever” attitude and have it come around and bite you in the ass five years later. He fought like hell for us, and God Almighty help you if you EVER through somebody under the bus, even if it was someone else’s fault. At the same token he would look the other way as a few airmen provided some “peer checking” on some airmen that were just not up to par. He was all about the enlisted force structure on his flight. An SrA was responsible for an A1C’s fuck up if he was posted with him, and a “seasoned” A1C was responsible for a new one if he fucked up. We were the best flight in that damn squadron hands down. Whenever Flag Officer’s came out Alpha flight was on the line. When we received a new permanent party AC (the first of its kind) it was Alpha flight that received it. When DV’s came out including (at the time) the Honorable Donnely, it was Alpha flight that provided the security. When there were special TDY’s or assignments it was Alpha flight. You get the picture. We were the best of the best. We had a tough-ass Flight Chief who didn’t take any shit and we all respected him for it, and it showed. You know what happened to this great leader? Nothing. A brand new butter bar straight out of the academy didn’t like the way he put the entire flight on their face one day and demanded to Ops that he was taken off flight. We then pushed on with new leaders but never lost that initial training and were still the best, except for the new guys. They all had this stick up their ass “I’m entitled” attitude and would rat on each other for the dumbest shit, and the airmen that ratted got praised for it, by dumb I mean like a kid forgot his rape whistle one day and the A1C he was posted with wanted to look good to the Ops and would make it a point to rat them out. They would lie cheat and steal to get a leg up and it was condoned and at times even fucking encouraged. That is the quality of leadership that’s coming up in the USAF because that is the type of bullshit they want. They want a bunch of soft nonintimidating pussies so they know they won’t put up a fight when they inevitabily got bent over to get buddy fucked to get to their next star or stripe or whatever. It changed from the top down and it’s turning into nothing but an old boys club and if you’re not in it, then fuck you. You’re nothing more than a stepping stool for the fuckers that are in it.

          • I agree with some of what you say, especially about the incredible amount of buddy-fuckery that goes on, although some of it is less buddy-fucking than it is turning someone in for something they shouldn’t have been doing. A little integrity can go a long way, and if someone has shown they have none, they don’t deserve the privilege of service. Honestly, I believe the entire system needs an overhaul – from recruiting all the way to how wars are fought and how veterans are taken care of.

            Modern warfare has changed and will continue to evolve. The new corporate model seems to be reflecting that, as corporations generally do pretty well when it comes to innovation and adaptability. The days of the trench-digging, bayonet-wielding grunt are slowly coming to a close as is the need for the type of thinking that supported them. These new “soft” regulations were put in place in order to try solving many problems; things like PTSD, depression, substance abuse, domestic abuse, and post-service legal difficulties. It turns out that beating someone’s ass for fucking up has a significantly negative psychological effect. The regulations weren’t put in place because assaulting someone COULD effect their mental state, but because it DOES. Know any veterans with an anger control problem who immediately jump to violence or the threat thereof? You can thank that “training” for their condition.

            The problem with not giving him that black mark on his record is that it teaches him that his failures will not follow him. This is not how the real world works. If someone makes a mistake at work, it will follow him until he leaves that job. If he makes a mistake and gets arrested, it will follow him. If he fails a course in college, it will follow him. If he racks up massive debt, it will follow him. If he sleeps with the wrong female and contracts Herpes, it will follow him. Are civilians denied jobs, promotions, loans, licenses, and contracts due to something in their past? Yes, it happens to millions of people every single day. Actions have consequences, and everyone needs to understand that, military or not.

          • *affect

          • Knob_Gaudy

            Definitely what you said. No one in civilian life gets to have blank permanent records, why should servicemen be any different. By the way I like of you added original to your handle, it looks like your name is AAVP “OG”

          • usmc_to_usaf

            Pal, I wonder if it would be appropiate that I suggest counseling at this point…I think we’re getting a little off-track here. I just hear you venting about how much you hated your time in service right now.

            The abuse we’re talking about is the kid who got in the face by clipboard, and the kid who gets his tray tossed at him. I’m sorry, but this is not training. If you say the rules are the problem, you shouldn’t come here and say “they’re supposed beat you up; you’re a recruit!” when you know that’s how they are supposed to behave, especially not in USAF BMT. All those other issues you’re complaining about have yet to show me how tossing a kid into his wall locker is how you should be trained. You mean to imply that we are not human beings, and we are always prone to making mistakes? A person who makes an honest mistake deserves a boot in the chest off the bat? Is that how an Airman of character is developed? You’re wrong if you think this. This type of treatment will cause that Airman to turn into this type of leader and proceed to do this to those who are beneath him.

            You have many good points on how people can abuse things because they are protected by the regulations. However, you understand the military as a whole is all about following laws and rules that you hate, and it sounds to me like earlier you said “if you can’t embrace the suck, you can’t handle the most meager task”, well there was a lot more suck that you didn’t enjoy embracing. What you are describing right now, to me, sounds no different than you saying “because parents can’t beat their children, their kids will grow up into little pussies” that sound about right? Knowing what proper discipline is a whole different discussion. I will add that I think I can agree with you on this level; let’s take BMT scenario for instance. Trainee Smith gets an itch in formation, scratches his face, gets told to do pushups, then learns his lesson not to do it again. That’s fair discipline to me.

            HOWEVER if Trainee Smith is the last one out of the dorm, takes his time and gets the entire flight in trouble, and doesn’t care, still takes his time that’s when I would understand that he’d need a little more discipline, being this type of buddy fucker.

        • R.E.M.F.

          Yeah Jeremy, you were there… and monkeys might fly out of my ass!

          • anhonestamerican

            Fuck you ass nugget failure wanna-be. How fuckin dare you question my service. 320 TRS Flt 098 37TW Lackland AFB TX, PCS to 323 TRS (SF training academy) Team12 PCS to 36 ABW Anderson AFB Gu 36 SFS S30A a PACAF base under 13th AF PCS to 375 SFS Scott AFB ILL AMC 14th Air Foce. With 2 deployments, and countless TDY’s all over this fucking globe. Who in the holy ass fuck do you think you are son? If I could post my 214 on here I would. I got nothing to hide. Where were you?

          • usmc_to_usaf

            Geez; that was 4 F-Bombs in one paragraph. If its so true, why are you so offended by his not believing you? Are you easily hurt be such comments like his?

            Any grown, mature adult wouldn’t take it this personal…well that’s just my opinion I suppose.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      So having a wall locker be inspection ready was worth being picked up and thrown into it?

      Ok… let me ask you one question then: How many times were you in the middle of a firefight, and the enemy stopped shooting, said “Woah look at this perfectly squared away wall locker!” and then laid down their weapons and surrendered?

      If that never happened, then how was it in any way necessary to develop a “warrior ethos”? The correct answer: It’s not. It’s just mindless, senseless, personnel abuse that in no way contributes to mission readiness.

      Safety and Peace

      • anhonestamerican

        It’s not the fact of you can square away. The point is if you can’t preform the most meager task with a little bit of adversity, how the hell do you expect to handle anything in life.

        • fieldradiohater

          In that case you find something that suits you, I think the author is in college right now, from what I read somewhere, but you said in your response that you failed that Meager Task, what did you do to handle it?

        • R.E.M.F.

          Jeremy,

          The guys that can not handle anything in life JOIN THE MILITARY!

    • hooyut

      You realize that while all those guys are pushing they all want to pop a muscle right? Cause you know what happens after that to the intelligent ones?

      They play the game back.

      The smart ones who understand the stupidity of the majority of stuff going on will play the best they can. They will never “heal” in the eyes of the marine corps or any unit or any branch. Then they will continue to see BAS and then they will get MED boarded and sep’d with sgt’s pay the rest of their lives. When the smart guys get fucked they give it back just as hard. It’s what I would have done.

      The pawns/bitches/slaves? They will continue to let you play the schoolyard bully you never got to be in the only place you will ever have any sort of power, power you only wield because the UCMJ is basically designed to screw everyone in the lower ranks.

      Being cut out to wear any uniform = slave with a coward’s mindset.

      • usmc_to_usaf

        Going a bit off topic because I am a little curious now; people who get med sep, do they really get Sgt’s pay for the rest of their lives? I find this a little absurd because that is a good $2000 a month to some random kid that just got out of the military. I gag a bit when I think people like ILQ can get free money for the rest of their lives. Is there any kind of drawbacks to this?
        It would just seem like any young kid who is tired of the military would want a med sep over an honorable discharge and get out. Anyone wanna tell me how it works?

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          You don’t automatically get Sgt’s pay. You get a percentage based on the extent of your injuries. If you’re rated at 100% disabled you get just under $2,900 per month (90% is just over $1,700 per month so it’s not on a linear scale). But yes, 100% VA disability is roughly equivalent to the monthly base pay of an E5 at his 8 year mark.

          The main drawback is (at least to my understanding) that you don’t get access to the GI Bill. Although, on balance… free tuition and BAH for 36 months… or disability payments until the day I die… on balance the disability is probably better, especially if they were seriously injured and the injury makes it impossible for them to meaningfully contribute to mission readiness.

          It is definitely possible to abuse the system, and I’m sure it’s happened before, but if the military injures you, and there are long-lasting effects from that injury, I think it’s only fair that they compensate you.

          • hooyut

            That was even clarification to me, I wasn’t too savvy on the monetary breakdown.

        • bootasfuck

          I wouldn’t worry about old Lead Lungs getting dick. Like I said before, he’s probably as real as the tooth fairy.

        • bootasfuck

          I wouldn’t worry about old Lead Lungs getting dick. Like I said before, he’s probably as real as the tooth fairy.

    • fieldradiohater

      well well SSgt. Jeremy Roy USAF, you see I did what I was told and got Fucked all the time. I usually ended up being an RO for every fucking thing, gas chamber, ranges, mps, landing support…dealing with a billet…but I was training with the Mp’s, but I wasnt at the shop doing my billet. I always had to crunch, then getting my ass chewed for not being a hardass to Jr. Marines.

      Now I dont like sharing my story, because everyone here that posted had some real interesting shit, I would just rather read and think holy fuck!

      Heres what happens when you dont stand up for yourself; I was selected to be the Mass Cas. RO… I knew my job well enough and always practiced medivacs, nine-lines, etc, and had real experiences calling in and receiving medivacs and possible IED request when I was doing coc ops at a regiment. I got to leave the wire for 40 days with a security team as an RO but thankfully never had to call in anything, just sit reps or Bolos.

      Well my LT (actually he was an easy going guy) was very hell bent when I caught a stomach virus and was on an IV with a 101 degree fever puking and shitting myself on ship, he did not want another RO on a mass cas. exercise. So puking my fucking guts out with a fever I went out with the mass cas team with my; prc-117, prc-148, sat-phone, gps, 2 days of cif gear, fucking mres i had to take, 4 days worth of batteries, xts 3000, and my dreaded SKL (yeah lose the fucking encryption card on it and i would be typing from fort leavenworth prison). oh and programming the waypoints on my pos gps, and you cant just turn the shit on and it works. Now I will give the guy some credit, he did get me issued an m4 (ahh thanks sir).

      oh and fitting the corpsman and litter-bearers their xts3ks, with the hands free mics…hoping to fuck that no-one loses any of that shit. I puked water 3 times on flight deck before getting on the ch-46, luckily (thank god) they canked the fucking drill do to severe weather… i went back to medical on my IV, but we were still alert 120.

      so before you get all moto, we all have our horror stories, and alot of them are very sad. so if i got recalled, now I know better I would be the most bag of shit Sgt the Marines would see, and I would deff play the system more!!!

    • fieldradiohater

      oh btw USMC_TO_ASAF has some big Cojones, to say Fuck You to the DI’S just like the author of the this story

      • usmc_to_usaf

        My on going 2 years in service I have yet to see any NCOs act like a hardass from the BMT experience. It might be safe to say that this SSgt could be trolling, if not I’m a little worried that NCOs would act like this.

        • fieldradiohater

          who knows man, everybody has to one-up everybody, where ever you go… It gets to the point where your just like: “yeah, wow, cool” and go on about your day. I really dont want to get into this but, here it goes. *WARNING* this is based on a true story, characters will remain anonymous:

          This is what a Former Marine told me who served in the 80s, 1982-1986. Got to talking as usual, He wanted to see my dd214, (this is a relatives boyfriend) so I showed him. Hes like thats all you got just a salad-bowl of ribbons…I didnt care, I told him I didnt do much when i was in. He was like boy-o-boy I was a : Drill Instructor, on the Marine Marksman team, 2nd Recon, Repelling Team (i guess fast?), an E-6, Bayonet Instructor, and was in Grenada,

          I think I went into a Coma half way through his story. Anyhow, I questioned it, and he flipped the fuck out and started shaking real bad (I was asking him trivial shit, Not Marine Corps knowledge, but Like what MEU was you with when you went to Granada, I mean you learn about urgent fury in boot camp lol), so he started crying and said i need to get on my oxygen (hes on Oxygen for BMI, a new thing they are doing to CDL truck drivers)

          well I looked at his dd-214 (fair is fair), My relative was helping him with a resume. Warehouse Clerk 3.4 years no further entries. Now mind you I really have to keep the peace my relative is very dear to me and supports me with every thing she’s got, so I dont rip on him or anything I just say “yeah, yeah, and yeah”

          I know this does sound like a bull shit troll story I was going to post this as: Once a Motard Always a Motard, but I respect my relative too much

          when he spouted that shit off I dont know HOW he would think I would believe him, I mean I felt kind of insulted, it was amusing none the less 🙂

  • Vet

    Pussy ass shit! The Corps weeds fucks like you out for a reason! Guess what, was isn’t easy and you can’t go suck on your moms saggy tits while over there so good riddance

    • usmc_to_usaf

      Yet another great example of a Mahween!!!
      And he can say good riddance to the Corpse for not needing to waste his life and finding something better to do for himself. Though it seems many people who are the hard butts that made it don’t have much better things to do than to come here and call other people derogatory names. Does it make you feel better knowing this is probably the only thing you got going on in your life, pal?

      • R.E.M.F.

        RIGHT ON, MAN! You got it right.

    • R.E.M.F.

      Vet,

      That young man has more COURAGE in his big toe than most Marines have in their entire body.

      SURE – it takes a lot of courage to eat shit and to kill innocent unarmed civilians. YEAH, RIGHT.

  • Guest

    How do you post your own story on here?

    • hooyut

      Contact Ninja Punch or S to do that. If you have multiple stories then they can even make you a blogger.

  • Guest

    Does anyone know if Fraudulent enlistment stops you from getting a Hazmat endorsement? I’m trying to get into trucking and get on with my life if I cant get back into the military. Please no trolls.

    • Rob

      Only if they find out

  • R.E.M.F.

    There are about 70 men in a platoon, and 4 D.I.’s right? It was that way back in the 1970’s.

    All 70 of you should have kicked the living shit out of those 4 mother-fuckers.

    • bootasfuck

      Forgive us for being young, dumb, naive, and forgetting we had balls and numbers. Although me and my rack mate certainly talked about it. And we had a grand total of six DIs.

    • Older USMC Vet

      With all due respect, you may harbor some bitterness about your time on active duty, and my posts here tend to reflect a 60% HATE/ 40% love relationship with the USMC, but being a Drill Instructor is not an easy job, and they don’t exist to be liked and/or popular.

      Their mission is to take a civilian and turn them into a basically trained Marine, one with a strong warrior ethos, which goes against the grain of today’s increasingly PC sensitive society. And they have to deal with all sorts of different “raw material”.

      Did I like my drill instructors? No, but I respected them, because even at the worst of times they never resorted to unnecessary humiliation or cruel and malicious games. If I compare my boot camp DI’s to the Sgt Instructors of Officer Candidates School, the OCS ones were a lot more disengaged- meaning they only went as far as churning out a product, with almost no mentoring.Some of them did not set the best of examples either!

      And given the nature of human psychology in regard to a military training environment, your last sentence would be an extremely rare occurrence. If a D.I shot a recruit dead for no reason even then the other 69 would not immediately kick the living shit out them as one organised and well co-ordinated group.

  • Connor

    You little piece of sh*t. You’re the reason the Marine Corps isn’t as tough and hardcore as it used to be. You get a little kick in the rear and cry to you’re mommy about it and report it? Are you f*cking kidding me?! Why in the hell do you think you have what it takes to be a Marine if you can’t handle a little discipline. You should be completely ashamed of yourself! The whole reason for anyone to join the Marine Corps is to be the best, not to be patted on the back and sung a song before bed.

    • usmc_to_usaf

      I wouldn’t consider getting blood drawn after being hit by a campaign cover a “little discipline” my friend. Oh really now? He should be ashamed because he grew a bigger pair of balls over everyone else and reported what the DIs knew they weren’t allowed to do?

      So the DI’s shouldn’t be ashamed because they take 70+ people and do whatever the hell they want to them because their own lives suck? News flash; some jerkbag wearing a funny hat spiting and putting their hands in your food doesn’t make you “the best”. Though I’m sure that’s how you love to eat your food.

      • bootasfuck

        People like him are the reason I’m never going to re-enlist…and on a completely unrelated note, that cat looks like it wants to consume my soul.

        • usmc_to_usaf

          Nah, I think the cat’s more after the motard’s souls lol

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      You’re right about one thing: the whole reason that most of us joined the marine corps was to be the best. Meanwhile the whole reason that this site exists is because the marine corps failed to live up to its own standards in every measurable sense. Actually, we’re the ones who want the Marine Corps to be as “tough and hardcore” as you seem to think that it used to be. However, we also realize that that will never happen so long as personnel abuse is being mistaken for training.

      If he was kicked as part of a grappling match and reported it, I’d be right there with you, because hopefully it would be a part of some [hopefully] useful training. That said, being kicked or otherwise smacked around in the context above has literally no training value at all. It’s nothing but senseless personnel abuse.

      As for your bit about discipline I can only assume that you’re aware that DI’s are forbidden to strike a recruit, or even to make physical contact with a recruit, outside of narrowly prescribed guidelines. So if DI’s lack even the basic self-control and self-discipline necessary to not strike a recruit, how on Earth do you propose that they’re supposed to teach discipline to a recruit? Why does the marine corps seem so intent on letting the blind lead the blind?

      Safety and Peace

    • older USMC Vet

      Why do comments like this pop up over and over again? Was the USMC tougher and more hardcore back in the 90’s? Drill instructors weren’t allowed to beat up or physically harm recruits then, and there has always been restrictions on how far they can go to “instill discipline”.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribbon_Creek_incident

      But on the flip side of that coin, if you have a shit bag recruit that obviously isn’t suited to military life, the best course of action is to process him out ASAP. Just because he isn’t suited to the USMC doesn’t mean he’s going to be a failure for the rest of his life!!

      the only common ground I share with “Connor” is the fact that upon getting out with an honorable discharge, I feel that society in general is becoming too sensitive, too PC and too far removed from the brutal realities of life. The USMC ends up becoming a reflection of the society it is sworn to serve.

  • Young recruit

    How do you take your comments off this site and how do you change your name on it?

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      You should have the ability to delete your comments via the “down arrow” at the top right of the comment. If you have trouble send me an email via the contact page.

      • Young recruit

        I tried that but with older comments I cant delete them.

  • Young recruit

    Hi 2 months ago I left a comment here and Ive been trying to change my name on it. It wont change tho. How do i do it cause it seems like I cant.

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      You probably can’t change the name, you’d have to fully delete it. If you can send me a link to the comment I can take care of it.

      • Young recruit

        Hey I its on this page. I haven’t received a response from you.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          It’s gone.

          • Young recruit

            Thanks. Sorry for all the trouble. This site is very helpful. Even given the name of it and all. I support what you guys are doing but I’m trying to get back in. I know its crazy lol.

  • NINJA_PUNCH

    The above comment has been deleted at the author’s request.

  • 588K

    If you don’t anticipate for things like this to happen in an organization with a history of being notoriously rough and brutal at times, then please don’t join in the first place. Some people actually want it and expect it.

    • Knob_Gaudy

      Some girls want and expect to be with someone like Chris Brown and get slapped around. Does it make them any less of nutcases with serious family issues? Same thing with people who want to go be brutalized by and for Uncle Sam.

    • Marine Vet

      Makes sense, but if I wanted to be a UFC fighter I wouldn’t have any patience or tolerance for stupidity like having all my possessions dumped in the middle of a squad bay, or forced to wear someone else’s underwear, nor have someone hit me for no reason without expecting to get hit back!

  • Young recruit

    Hey guys I know its nuts but I’ve been trying to get back in. I did a ton of research and if you feel like you were kicked out for dumb reasons (you fault or theirs) Then you’l need to do two things.
    1. To change your reentry code send A copy of your DD-214 and a DD-149 form. Send it to the address on the form.

    2. To fight Fraudulent enlistment you have to send in a copy of your DD-214 and DD-293. To the address on the 293 form.

    With both of these you can get a lawyer and fight it or do it yourself. Or just have the board make the decision for you. I’m fighting my myself since I cant afford a lawyer.

    For all the negative comments on this site its really proven to be very helpful.

  • Knob_Gaudy

    to all these Motards who think being abused is part of good training, got a suggestion to help you walk the walk: 1) book yourself a ticket to Russia
    2) figure out the requirements to enlist in their army
    3) volunteer to try out for spetsnaz.
    as far as I know, hazing and beating recruits is practically in regulation with those guys. go do this then come brag about how hard you are.

    • usmc_to_usaf

      I wanna see how somehow a Motard will attempt to argue with you that they are still harder and better than people Russian military because they are U.S MARINES OORAH!!! That’d be too funny.

      • fieldradiohater

        I call that “comedy hour”

        I only ran into one fake “you cant argue with delusional” people, fake tried telling me how he went to an airborne school after bootcamp…lets just say that dude avoided me at work. not that I threatened him in anyway but, usually you have to get ignorant when they try to get a leg up, pussy pass, real Audie Murphy stories, however they base their experiences off of call of duty and steven seagal movies “if you can, grab some pop corn and pull out a lawn chair!”

        Now motard number 2 is by the far the worst one, I see him almost everyday its my aunts boy friend.
        Keep this in mind usmc_to_usaf he had your mos you had before you went to boot camp 🙂

        -claims 2nd recon
        -claims to have been in beirut and grenada (mocked my deployment in Iraq, and my ribbons, the rank I got out at, and my mos * I was involved in an op to hand over camp hab. off rt michigan along al taqaddum AO, got a unit coin ace support, and letter of appreciation served 40 days in the whole shit storm, anyhow it said we successfully handed camp habb, bullshit…we left our posts, packed up and left in the middle of the night back to the FOB (TQ) , Iraqi Army were like ahh WTF?…another story I found articles about it, I was there and thats not how it happened LMAO.
        -claims he was a DI
        -claims he got out as an E6
        -claims he has a CAR, and PUC with bronze star (I almost passed out on that one (you just have to know/see the guy…he looks kinda retarded 🙁

        dd214 says other wise (2.8yrs supply)

        So he did 4yrs in the Army from there he claims
        -ranger school instructor
        -involved in Panama operations
        -desert storm

        dd-214 says Quartermaster, he has an over seas ribbon but nithing about panama and desert storm

        now I used to call his bull shit and my Aunt would piss me off so now, I ask real dumb question (he loves attention and hearing himself talk, he talks real loud on any conversation, like about me wanting to persue an RN degree wouldnt you know it he must have been a fucking college professor too! ah I cant believe I live with an ALL AMERICAN with all those combat tours and was in both special operations with the Army and USMC!

        anyhow he was like yeah I was with a HELO SUPPORT TEAM and rapple out of helos (BIG TIME EXAGGERATION)

        TRUTH its called Helo Support Training conducted by LS and pilots getting in training logs all you do is rig up quadacons and drop them off

        you see how a story can get exaggerated, from a simple HST to your with a fast team rescuing hostages from an embassy… eh, sorry usmc to usaf, big bad Marine peter goes from 2 inches to a foot,

        If some one brags about being in SF, or whatever ask for a dd214 if they say its classified or black ops, so is my character in CALL OF DUTY ONLINE

        • usmc_to_usaf

          Geez!! I imagine you must really be sick of him. This is probably the 3rd time I’ve read you write about him, and all other times I just couldn’t make any comments because I’m still trying to wrap my brain around what I just read.

          Who really makes up that much shit about themselves; claiming something they aren’t?! His self-esteem must be pretty low if he has to make up stories. No disrespect to your aunt; but is she really dating a man worth her time? It sounds to me like he scooped her up by feeding her similar bullshit.

          • fieldradiohater

            Well, this site is the only time I put my whole USMC experience up, I have said more here then friends and family…because one it attracts clowns, two it would be like still like talking about being on the football team in highschool Im 26 lol, three every on here is a STRAIGHT SHOOTER, like this is actually a group that doesnt exaggerate, if your proud if your service great on you, im sure there are alot of vets here that did some cool things and been there done that. I have photos of Camp Hab, and shit but i never got them developed they are still in my book bag of all my records, documents, bells and whistles of random stuff I collected… yeah thats my shadow box, shit stuffed in a bookbag, LOL

            This guy I talk about, I let him go man… He seems to be O.K if he just didnt lie, he would honestly be a genuine person, i mean I dont give the guy a totally cold shoulder, I will help him out on his motorcycle, carb adjusted, oil change, new bushing on his tri clamp that connect to the handle bars shit like that we can talk all day… but not only does he hype up his military he comes off the wall on other things, no my Aunt is a kind hearted person, she has a Masters in psych. so yeah there was a day that me and him got into about his bullshit… she said I know he likes to stretch the truth but he was bullied alot when he was younger….its like fuck me, ah so its ok for some one with low self esteem to cry and pout, ahh no, oh well hopefully my life will be set in a few years…and ppl can claim Navy SEALs all they want, while they are talking about it ill just jump on my bike and enjoy the day! he he

          • bootasfuck

            I’m gonna be blunt mate, that whole “he was bullied” thing, is just bullshit. I was bullied a lot in school. Now, 80% of the people who have been bullied become bullies. We all have a choice. Me, what did I do? I learned how to stand up for myself physically and mentally, I learned how to fight, I stood up for what was right, and I stood up for other people being bullied. The school’s no fighting policy went right out the window, all I cared about was doing the right thing.

            So every time someone uses the “I was bullied” excuse for why they’re a liar and/or bitter and/or an overall jackass, I lose a lot of respect for them. That being said, I personally don’t know the guy. Maybe he is cool working on his motorcycle, but lying and using a childhood experience as a crutch ain’t cool bro.

          • fieldradiohater

            hey hey, thanks for the input… hes the kind of guy that would say his military records were messed up and that’s partially his 214 or something else… the thing about beirut is he doesnt know what MEU or MAU (I think, it was called)… oh and he doesnt know anything about ship duty, the ship he was on, a well deck, flight deck, MOB, flight quarters, vert rep, an lcu… just basic shit, the thing is if I ask him he gets PISSY lmao, I quit messing with him though … point is I dont care… I would rather shoot the shit with my AIRFORCE buddies then spend maybe 5 min talking to this guy about the USMC.

            I suppose I should be ashamed of myself for questioning a highly decorated war vet, thats how he put it to me the night we got into man, after I called him a fucking liar… I told him hey man you might want to do more research on google before you calim this shit again… I was just a regular POG ass Marine did only four years… shit doesnt register.. try that again sir?

            Oh, btw he trashes other branches of service… Im like dude your a fucking asshole, straight up fuck you, I got a couple people we could visit, so you can tell them how their son was a pussy…being thats the closest people you could get, oh heres his wife too… anyhow usmc_usaf these are the fuck wads you serve for (only calling you out because your active duty right now) If there was ever some mass recall or some shit, no thanks ill serve in jail…

          • bootasfuck

            Don’t be ashamed of it. Call him on his bullshit…or if you don’t want to turn him into a gibbering man-ape right there, just smile, nod, and give discreet birds. Then take your frustrations out in a boxing ring or on a shooting range

          • usmc_to_usaf

            Well, I won’t go into too much about my past, but hell I bullied quite a bit in jr high, and in high school too. That wouldn’t make me look any more attractive being a liar to any women here. I often wonder why/how is it that many women with class, and success go after men who are just downright scumbags? Your aunt for example, a Masters in Psych, yet she finds herself dating one of the biggest liars I’ve heard of.

        • bootasfuck

          I’m sorry bro. Trashing on your service…not cool. It’s very easy to hate this guy just from reading about him.

      • USMC Vet

        I spent about 75% of my service in the ‘peacetime military’ ( which I am quite thankful for), and i think the worse trap a war fighting organization can fall into is to start believing too much of their own propaganda!

        I won’t comment on the toughness of US Marines , and every war is different in its own way, But if I take a WW2/ Korea example- the first front line units gets their asses kicked, and their is a time period where the US military makes mistakes, struggles to adapt, then it starts to regain the initiative and fight more effectively and hopefully ends up winning!

        Or to put another perspective, in 1997 I once knew an Army LT who was so gung ho he was determined to be part of a ground combat unit on the DMZ in Korea. We had a memorable heated conversation in the fact that I politely explained that if his war fantasy came true ( North Korea invaded) he probably would get wiped out in the first week they rolled south. His chances of survival and engaging the enemy would be far better if he was in a unit that arrived in Korea say a month after it begins. In other words, its not always best to be the First to Fight!

        I’m old enough to remember the Cold War, and the nightmare threat of nuclear war. I don’t want to see a war with Russia in my lifetime, and I think any young Marine who talks tough about this subject should read a history book!

        • usmc_to_usaf

          From what I get from everyone else’s experience here, and what I see is that the majority of the trolls are POGs. Now, I’m no where close to being involved in combat as an Air Force Dental Tech, but I would never try to belittle anyone.
          The POGs who are most moto is it because they “earn the title” and don’t have to deal with all other BS, while they get to wear a cool uniform and claim they participated in battles they were never in? It’s about as low as saying “my mom’s doctor, thus I know everything about health care and can practice like she does!”
          This would be my interpretation why motards act as they do…anyone’s thoughts? Please correct me if I’m wrong…

          • bootasfuck

            Me got bird, ball, and hook. Me special. Remember? LOL

            I think it’s a douchebag sense of entitlement, honestly mate. I used to hang out with a guy that was in the Marines for a while…PEB. Got drunk and told me once he never even got his B,B,&H because of some…hell, I don’t even remember the reason, I was about as drunk as he was. Now his roommate (who had been my best friend since 6th grade) got kicked out of Air Force basic because he blew out his kneecap during the final PFT. They are the two biggest fucking motards on the planet. The PEB guy, all he cares about are how may women he can fuck. To him, everybody’s a bitch or a pussy that’s not a Marine or Navy SEAL. The AF guy, anyone who quits or decides the military isn’t for them is a pussy and/or weak. But he’s the exception because he got injured during (arguably) the EASIEST BOOT CAMP IN AMERICA! Been dating the same girl since high school, now engaged, cheated on her, and still thinks he deserves to be with her…AND SHE STILL STICKS AROUND. I haven’t seen those two douchebags in almost two years, because they got drunk and tried to fuck my girlfriend.

            But enough of a rant, like I said, I think it’s a douchebag sense of entitlement…OR it’s a complete and udder sense of failure and everybody else needs to feel bad about their lives too.

            Note: I’m not saying Air Force basic is easy, but that’s the stereotype anyway.

          • usmc_to_usaf

            …Wow. It looks like you just verified my question pretty easily! I can’t seem to understand how people try to act like they are shit hot by claiming something they aren’t… So you’re telling me a guy who didn’t even “earn” his BB&H thinks that everyone who isn’t a Maween or Navy Seal a pussy?! Who in shits name is he to talk?! LOL!!

            I can say pretty openly that Air Force BMT was fairly easy. It wasn’t obviously when you are there, but really the hardest thing about it is having the patience and OCD to deal with the things they throw at you. I find it impossible to believe someone can injure themself THAT badly to get kicked out…He must have fell down the stairs; or for whatever reason locked his knees when getting off an obstacle…and even then I still don’t see how you can get hurt that badly. The Obstacle/Confidence in AF bootcamp was almost the same as in Parris Island, with the exception the Instructors are saying “great job Trainee! keep it up!”

          • bootasfuck

            Says he shattered his knee cap during the final PFT run. What is that, like 1.5 miles or something in under 15:00? I was injured during my final PFT on PI, and I still managed to gut through it.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            3 miles in under 28:00, the IST is the 1.5 mile one.

          • bootasfuck

            I meant for the Air Force. I don’t know the Air Force standards

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Ah… Yeah, that makes more sense… lol

          • usmc_to_usaf

            For the Air Force final PT Test, I was actually surprised at this myself; the run time has to be under 11:57 as a minimum requirement. HOWEVER, they take into consideration if you can do well on the other parts of the test, you can still pass. I know one guy who ran it in 14:15 but he still graduated with us. The resource is below for the AF PT test if you wanted to see.

            Aside from that, that still doesn’t tell me how he busted his knee. How moronic can someone get? You take 2 PT test prior to the final one, and you mean to tell me he passed both of those without hurting himself, but on the last one he goofed?

            http://usmilitary.about.com/od/airforcejoin/a/afbmtfinalpt.htm

          • bootasfuck

            By the sound of it, he was just running and *POP goes your kneecap*

          • usmc_to_usaf

            In Air Force BMT you actually PT 6 times a week, most of it was a self-paced run for 30 minutes. That said, you run more days out of the week, I can’t seem to understand how a Trainee forgets how to safely run and bust a knee cap THAT badly…You’ve been doing this for the past 8 and a half weeks.

          • bootasfuck

            This guy was always known for his…bombastic boosterisms…at least that’s what my 12th grade history teacher called them. Exaggerations, spinning stories, and pretty much anything to make himself feel better for various situations are not uncommon for this guy. Truth be told, I don’t even know if he’s telling the truth about Air Force basic period. After high school graduation, we didn’t speak for four months due to life. It wasn’t for about TWO AND A HALF YEARS after graduation that I found out about it. I asked him why he didn’t tell me about it, and he told me he didn’t want anyone knowing about the Air Force. I don’t remember the reason.

            Now, his dad was a proud Airman, who nothing but supported the troops. So, why not even tell your parents? Realistically, he’s either telling the truth and he wanted it to be a surprise to everybody but he fucked up and kept it as a secret out of shame or he’s more afraid of tackling it than we were and he’s just trying to come up with some bullshit to keep himself from looking like an insufferable pussy.

            http://terminallance.com/2013/05/21/terminal-lance-theres-always-a-reason/

            http://terminallance.com/2013/05/21/terminal-lance-theres-always-a-reason/

          • fieldradiohater

            yeah, but its that kind that make ppl who actually been there done that look bad…I mean if I was a jack ass holy shit i could exaggerate the truth through the roof and into space… during embassy exercises, conducted by Recon, Anglico, and 1/4 mass cas team would leave, corpsman would set up a triage site, I would just run up brevity codes on satcom (uhf) back to the boat, and that was it, oh ahhh a sniper platoon hitched a ride with us, ohhh…so yeah man i was with recon and shit man rescuing hostages…ahahaha, obviously if I was trying to spout off recon shit I would be stopped in my tracks… I have no idea how they operate, they had long hair and their cammies were out of regs…uh they would sl-3 shit in the well deck half naked, thats about it he he.. oh yeah one of them used my radio during that exercise….yup im officially scout sniper recon comm guy… im going to start claiming that from now on…it was wiped from my dd214 ahahaha

          • fieldradiohater

            yeah I cant seem to understand some people, I mean, you caught him in his bullshit, not making it through boot camp, you were probably like oh man where were you stationed what unit, then your like oh you were there, oh man remember that shitty bks, chowhall, or bar out in town….and he stared at you like a deer in the headlights, ah no man I didnt graduate bootcamp, but its like I swear you were a grunt in afghana-land.

            Douche bag sense of entitlement, then to trash others, what the hell… oh well I read your a Corrections Officer? I heard they make some good money… so let them fantasize all they want in a hot ass apartment with no ride he he

          • bootasfuck

            Juvenile corrections to be precise, although truth be told I’m more like a glorified babysitter. The pay is actually crap. $9 an hour. Don’t let the word “juvenile” fool you, most of these teenagers are the size and strength of a grown man, and just as, if not more, violent. We don’t even get weapons; a few weeks ago the biggest kid in the facility (who’s in there because he beat the shit out of his history teacher) assaulted me, so I had to physically sto

          • bootasfuck

            (sorry, pressed post too soon). As I was saying…
            stop him. I’m 5’9 and weigh about 170 lbs. He’s 6’4 and weighs 255ish. I’m a 2nd degree black belt, that’s the only way I stopped him. It started when I tried to break up a fight where two big guys were trying to beat up a small guy. I put myself in the middle of it to protect the small guy (nothing says “I’m tough” like two big guys trying to beat up a little guy, right?). My boss said I deserve a commendation for putting myself in harm’s way like that. So the job might be, eh, but that’s still more recognition than I ever think I would’ve gotten in the Cream Corn.

          • fieldradiohater

            could you get into pararescue with your mos? like as a medic?

          • fieldradiohater

            yup for the most part, I was a pog on FOB Al Taqaddum Im what you call a FOBBIT, (40 days a camp hab) nope never saw combat, IED would go off out of the wire and might shake your can a bit… I was a Radio operator in a coc, I listened in on alot of transmissions, and sent medevacs, eod requests, some things i wont get into (opsec) but nope bullets didnt fly over my head!, infatc the DFAC (chow hall) was badass dude!

            Camp hab, when the Gysgt from mwss gave us a brief before we convoyed it there said ” alot of shit goes on over here, small arms fire, blah blah, and its beside a 150 man sniper cell. so us POGS were like fuck yeah America, Combat Actions (yes units were sending Cpls and shit there to get cars, no lie lol)… so I get assigned west gate RO, Uhh… nothing happened, IED’s went off pretty close to our post but nothing like oh shit, it was like…OH look over there lol…ah should I call it in, naw fuck it lol. so yeah 1 month and 10 days of…….NOTHING!!…. could I say out of 1 month and 10 days I felt like a Marine! my whole enlistment and dumb mct shit, and training and all this fuck fuck games was for 1 month and 10 days of monitoring a “sniper cell” so the Iraqi Army can have full control of the camp AGAIN, NOTHING WAS THERE DUDE, oh lol ppl looked for shit to happen I spent about 7 days at Charlie post, Radio comes in that they were taking small arms at Alpha (uh how is that possible) so, they were told to get in the gun truck (MRAP) and wait, I think it was locals shooting the MRAP with .22’s (but i doubt that too….Nothing and well nothing!)

            I could take that story and blow it up by 5000 times, but no way dude, why? that is deff a POG tale leaving the wire lol.

  • Brian

    Your a fucking pussy dude join the air force or army stay the fuck away from our Navy brothers, quitter!

    • NINJA_PUNCH

      I’ll ask you the same questions that I’ve asked nearly everyone else who’s said the same thing:

      How does refusing to stand up for yourself make you more of a man? How does quietly accepting personnel abuse make you somehow better?

      Sure he may have been a “quitter”, but at least he didn’t just take it like a bitch.

    • hooyut

      Ignorance is bliss…

  • Brionna

    Was this at Parris Island or in San Diego?

  • Brandon Spades Dawkins

    So tell me something..if you were to go to war and got captured do you think your captors would treat you with “respect and honor” or better yet have you write a letter to your Mommy and tell her about the abuse you are suffering?? The US Marine Corps is not for everybody that’s why we are THE FEW AND THE PROUD…OORAH!!

    • ….no

      Okay I will play. So those who give us trouble in bootcamp should be tortured and/or decapitated because that is what the enemy does. Got it.

      • Brandon Spades Dawkins

        No,just you..

        • madmike

          The biggest complaint I have with the moron corpse is that it claims to be a elite unit but there is nothing elite about it. It’s just a bitchy little army and air force that speaks navy lingo and is infinitely more concerned with style over substance.

          • Brandon Spades Dawkins

            LMAO…classic example of yet another wanna be Marine who couldn’t make the cut who now hides behind a computer and talks shit…I guarantee you would not say any of that bullshit to ANY Marines face. Sit back, shut up, cower behind us and let the real men protect this country!

          • S.

            I made the cut. Went to war. Lost some comrades. Got out honorably.

            Then I made this website.

            This place is full of solutions and ideas my friend. Saying that we are hiding behind computers is just a lazy and effortless way of blowing off actually looking through things before you criticize. That is not very marine of you.

          • FailedToAdapt

            Can you define “real man” for me?

          • S.

            Everyone has their own made up definition.

          • madmike

            I did 4 years as a grunt and got out honorably. And I’ve said it to many marines faces. And why would I hide behind someone who is probably a POG?

        • Older Marine Vet

          I have followed this web site for months, and it seems that these forums just become rehashes of the same old arguments over and over again!

          I can find middle ground here based on my own experience. Marines are war fighters and you have to mentally and physically tough! Having got out and become part of the First Civ Div, I’ve dealt with a fair share of crybabies who take political correctness and sensitivity to the extreme ( mostly for their own self serving purposes!)

          So what A Marine may see as breaking someone in or preparing someone for combat to a civilian eye would be seen as hazing, harassment and abuse! As an Infantry squad leader I had no patience for those who didn’t put forth a maximum effort, and i would punish people for say falling asleep on post with corrective action, but not BEATING him up for hours on end. Theirs always a invisible line on that type of behavior!

          So, what can we do to make sure the Corps remains THE FEW AND THE PROUD? Here’s my suggestions:

          – remove mandatory recruiting quotas per month; emphasize quality over quantity and ensure all potential recruits can exceed the minimum standard prior to shipping out! Allow the recruiters to be more selective as opposed to putting bodies through the system.

          – at the boot camps, after say 7 weeks give each recruit the option to discontinue. Don’t waste time or money supporting people who don’t want to be there, or support those too injured to continue! Only the recruits who are truly motivated to finish it and go on to the Fleet can stay ( plus get the benefits of doing so)!

          -REFORM MARINE CORPS CULTURE ( an easy thing to type- very broad and difficult to do in practice) that makes a four year enlistment not a test of how much bureaucratic BS, misery and stupid and unnecessary games one must endure, but focusing on being a Professional Warrior/ soldier /MARINE!

          As a a basic example of this, I have gone through a jungle warfare course where we forced to forage for food for a week without MRES. Needless to say we got very little to eat. But why play a stupid game back in garrison where you overwork Marines so they can’t get chance to get a meal ( which they pay for!) thinking that is going to prepare you for the trials of combat?

          Just get rid of the ones who aren’t cut out to be Marines, and the ones who ARE treat them like professionals, which means conditioning them for combat via professional training, and not cruel and unusual punishment to satisfy the ego of a petty tyrant!

          Feel free to disagree if you want, but I’m done with being drawn into petty comment wars over the Internet. Its not my responsiblity or fault that the USMC cannot be flexible, progressive or adapt to a changing world!

          • Brandon Spades Dawkins

            I can respect your opinion and point of view because at least you came with a solution and not just a cower behind a comp and talk shit about the Corps session.

          • Older Marine Vet

            And I respect the honor and pride you feel about being a Marine, but with that should come an open mind about accepting constructive criticism, willing to make changes to be more productive, efficient and economical, not take everything to ridiculous extremes!

            Some points for consideration:

            -The drill instructors I had at MCRD in 1992 were complete assholes, but PROFESSIONAL!. they never resorted to beating up recruits nor playing disgusting games with them. But at the same time, I showed them that I wanted to be a Marine and put forth the best effort I could. They recognized that.

            – making your Marines field day the barracks until 2am, then forcing them to be up at 0530, then have them wait on standby all afternoon is just a stupid misuse of time!!

            – As an Aviation supply Officer, making me go through 8 levels of approval just to get a supply requisition to a civilians desk for them to order it is a stupid example of a dumb military bureaucracy that places no value on efficiency, but every value on meaningless paperwork, dumb political correctness ( ensuring money gets spent with women owned or minority owned bushiness- I SHIT YOU NOT!) and ‘jobs for government bureaucrats’ .

            So criticizing the Marine Corps does not equate to being unpatriotic, or burning the Flag, or hating America. There is a lot of thing the USMC could do a hell of a lot better!

    • hooyut

      O the ignorance. What does that have to do with being treated like garbage every day of the week? If there is supposed to be training to be POWs there should be training for that.

      Being physically and mentally abused for no other reason than the enjoyment of your slavemasters when you are supposed to be becoming a marine is not training, nor will it make you a better man, nor will it make you a good marine. Think for yourself sheep. Once a marine, once was enough.

      “To Hell with War” – Major general Smedley Butler

      • Brandon Spades Dawkins

        Like I said the Corps is NOT for everybody.It’s not easy and it’s damn sure not fun. But it is the U.S. Marine Corps the toughest branch of military service thers is. Nobody puts a gun to your head and makes you join. You join because you want to.So don’t crying about it if you can’t make the cut. just drop out and lead a normal life while the rest of us who DID go on to become Marines fight to protect your way of life.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          Hooyut, like myself and most others on this site made it through a full enlistment and got out with an honorable discharge. Spouting off nonsense about how the marine corps is the “toughest branch” and “protecting our way of life” isn’t going to fly. We all know that Army Rangers, Navy Seals, etc etc all put most marines to shame. Also, we all know that it’s easier to let your DI’s force you through than it is to drop out.

          Seriously, rehash your recruiter’s propaganda somewhere else. No one here is buying it.

          • Guest

            What?

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            I’m just guessing about what you’re asking about here… I was stating that Hooyut, myself and others, have made it through the marine corps. I wasn’t addressing the comment to Hooyut.

        • hooyut

          Yes! Thank you for opening that door! What war since 1812 has been fought to protect the US Constitution? Please, tell me.

          On top of that, what gives you the idea that the marine corpse is one of the branches? You know that the Navy owns the marine corpse right? The marine corpse was intended to be a force to prevent mutinies and protect naval bases, not be a third land army behind the Army and DHS. The Army, Air Force, and Navy are branches, the marine corpse is a department within the Navy. (Easy to understand because the Navy give the marine corpse its money.)

          Finally, I did make the cut, I had such a desperate need for the glory of earning the bird ball and hook.

          But then I matured. I matured past the indoctrinating patriotism, I read Major General Smedley Butler’s booklet “War is a Racket’, and finally I understood that in my specific scenario the government expected me to kill civilians and protect the same CIA jerk offs who were sending weapons to the Al Qaeda backed Syrian rebels who were killing civilians. What in that clusterf*ck denotes any protection of the Constitution or American citizens?

          You don’t protect me, I protect me. You just kill or help to ensure people are killed for your government, pawn.

        • fieldradiohater

          ahh man, lets see here, i got out honorably, said fuck you to a promotion board my last 4 months in, got promoted to sgt in the irr anyways, dude you cant deny it, i have seen clinic special needs make it through boot camp, example a couple Marines at a clb at their parent command actually had a Marine show “autistic” traits, he got admin sep eventually but he made it through boot camp and mct, so the whole elite fighting shit…get that out of your head.

          Many believe that serving in the military is a sign of being an “ALPHA” male, no… very wrong, BETAS fight wars, ALPHAS stay back on the plantation, EAT, and FUCK… sorry man its Human/Animal biology, so get that PC shit out of your head.

          Drop out and lead a normal life, sorry bud USMC didnt really seem like normal work to me if anything, it made me lazy, everyday is a groundhog day/gov benes…all the time off you get…however yeah the dumb games day in and day out makes it rough ill give you that.

          Ah yes, no one gives a fuck, sorry man, pave the way to protect freedom of Americans, yeah real noble, Yeah your wife/girlfriend waves the flag my husband is a Marine blah blah… really thats just a status as a competition to other woman, but REAListically that shit doesnt matter to the female bio, they live in the moment, meaning you get out, well then what? your girl is goign to wonder and look for better, its in their nature to look for a provider, we plant the seed, so hey babe I was in the Marines but dude, SHE will want that “nerd” or what not mechanical engineer making 150k a year, thats how it is man.

          Were on Earth to Fuck, you are a MAN? arnt you? well go ahead and be gung ho ooorah combat action, but you get your legs blowed off and your on ss or disability, dude lol you think a chick would want that. chemically (take away consciousness ) your “No Good” in the Gene department, she would not want the Male to rear offspring, if said provider is pissing in a bag, and needs tube fed, PC, FEM, whatever can not over right human instincts.

          Cpl. USMC 07-2011

      • Pissed off

        The term murder is a legal term in which you can get thrown in jail for. In war, you don’t get put in jail for killing your enemy. I call it organize killing or homicide but not murder. You can kill or commit homicide in self defense legally. Murder is never legal.

        • FoxtrotTangoNovember

          It’s not the soldiers who are murderers. It’s the politicians and banksters who start these wars for profit.

          • Knob_Gaudy

            I don’t think the soldier, as a human being of free will, is free of responsibility here. All the soldiers would have to do is say “no sir”. and refuse to fight. They consciously choose to “follow orders” and kill whoever they are told to. What are the bankers and politicans gonna do, kill them if they refuse?The soldiers have the monopoly of force.
            Fighting in war is not self defense either, unless you are being invaded. Two men go into a bar looking for a fight, is either one really just defending himself? Unprovoked aggression is one thing. Two sides trying to kill each other arbitrarily, another

          • FoxtrotTangoNovember

            That sounds fine and dandy in theory, but that’s not how it plays out in the real world. Do you think the average soldier has any control of our national policy? They follow orders or they are punished, and in today’s all-volunteer force, most of these guys have careers at stake in the military. Soldiers are just pawns. I agree that fighting wars of aggression are not comparable to repelling an enemy invasion.

          • Knob_Gaudy

            the average soldier being insubordinate by himself can’t achieve much sure. But history is full of armies that have disobeyed or even crumbled before being sent out( admittedly, the examples are mainly conscripted armies or mercenaries). Another great reason to disband the all volunteer force, in preference to a national service system, where members more accurately comprise the feelings and morale of the public at large. Instead, we almost have a military caste that toots its own horn and is idolized by everyone else.

            In some ways, predatory mentalities are more reasonable than that driving most of the gung ho crowd. Think about it. A predator(in the general nature sense) looks for victims, those who can’t effectively fight back. Your moto killer on the other hand, is looking for someone who can fight him on his own terms,willingly. At one point, I’m sure many of us fantasized about world war 3 with russia. I know I did. Why we would dream about fighting an enemy capable of killing as many of us as we could of them on fair terms, is juvenile madness in retrospect.

            anyways, my point is, if the whole army’s morale was low enough and their will to fight nonexistent, no amount of political pressure will make them move. At that point, the people in charge should start hoping there isn’t a coup attempt forthcoming.

          • FoxtrotTangoNovember

            Well, if the government bogs us down in yet another war — which is very possible — that scenario could happen. I don’t think our military can take much more after this past decade.

          • Pissed off

            It’s up to voters. In one family guy episode, Lois was running for public office. She offered rational solutions to an issue but people didn’t listen. Meanwhile, her opponent changes the subject in the question and gets cheers from the crowd. Lois was confused and her dog Brian told her many voters are dumb as rocks. Try being vague. The next set of questions were asked and Lois answered ‘911’ and got cheers and votes from the crowds. The lesson? Many voters here are dumb as fuck and vote in the same people who made them pissed off in the first place. I guess Dawkins is gone too, lol

          • Knob_Gaudy

            I think what keeps morale from sinking to that level is funding. The benefits go away, the pay gets cut, or entire commands go without funding, suddenly “selfless servant warriors” will do like the roman army did. Take what they think is rightfully theirs.

        • hooyut

          Let’s say that you are a business owner and you make X. Everyone uses X. Then a number of years later a guy down the street starts selling Y. People stop buying X to buy Y. You kill the guy selling Y.

          Is that murder or killing an enemy? Now expand that to a much larger scale to understand how Iraq was invaded shortly after selling oil in euros rather than US dollars.

          I understand your point concerning legal terminology, however legal definitions cannot change the morality, intent, or logic of actions taken. Killing an “enemy” to protect one’s profits is murder, no matter how the “enemy” is portrayed..

      • Marine Mom

        Most all of you should be so ashamed! I presently have two of my three triplets in San Diego. They will go thru the crucible starting Sunday. They will graduate in less than three weeks. I have never in my life talked down about any branch of our military. I never will. Our military fights in order to protect our freedom. In other countries people cant just get on a site and call a military branch the profanities that some of you have. My boys are soon to be two of the Few The Proud, A United States Marine. Training is difficult but they have never complained and wrote to me of abuse. I love what President Reagan said about Marines. “Some people wonder their whole lives if they have made a difference, the Marines don’t have that problem” I am just a soon to be Marine mom and I think I will just leave my comment at that!!!

        • fieldradiohater

          that is fine, you are proud of your sons, we had a recruit write slander and abuse to his family, our DI’s found out about it and called him out…this was at the end of phase 1, how they found out, i think they read our mail or maybe they just happened to find it i dont know, our footlockers have locks on them i remember a DI gave me a code to open a recruits locker once (i wanst thinking about it at the time) HINT HINT… long story short we wrote how much we loved bootcamp and our DI’s lol

        • S.

          Site founder and creator here.

          I think that since most of us actually served, did 1 or more tours in combat, got out honorably, etc etc, we have the right to voice our opinions about our experiences.

          I am assuming you never served in the Marines, and your kids have not experienced the real marine corps yet.

          Before you blast us, understand that we have actually gone through all of this, “fought for your freedom”, dealt with the bureaucracy.

          Being proud is cool. But you and your kids have not experienced what all of us actual marines have yet. Cool your jets.

          Also, stop acting like America is the only country in the world that has freedom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_in_the_World

          • mmafan3 .

            Here, here. brother Amen

        • madmike1968

          If you must lie about something to protect it, than whatever it is that you are protecting is NOT worth protecting. The military is a government agency no different than FEMA or the TSA. We are trying to make it better while people like you want to keep it the same.

        • NINJA_PUNCH

          I think everyone else here pretty much has it covered, so I’ll be brief.

          1) As already noted, this site was created by and for active duty and former marines. The fact that your sons are currently in boot camp does not awaken in me any sense of shame for this site.

          2) You should give it a couple of years and see what your sons have to say about the marine corps before you boldly assert that you will never talk down about any branch of the military. (Believe me, I once thought the same thing.)

          3) If you have to resort to recruiting propaganda (i.e. that “the few the proud” slogan and a Reagan quote) to justify your position, I do not feel the need to recognize you as a competent authority on the marine corps. As it happens, I’d say most of us on this site would freely state that Reagan was quite simply wrong, and that they’ve made far greater of a difference since they got out of the marine corps, than anything they ever did while they were in the marine corps. I know that’s true for me.

          It’s natural to want to be proud of your children, but you should at least entertain the possibility that your sons have made a rash, under-informed, and ultimately poor decision.

          Safety and Peace

          • S.

            “It’s natural to want to be proud of your children, but you should at least entertain the possibility that your sons have made a rash, under-informed, and ultimately poor decision.”

            She wont.

        • older Marine Vet

          As an older adult, I am not a parent, but your willingness to believe such blatant and obvious propaganda, plus your lack of critical thinking skills, makes me conjecture that you should really look at different perspectives before encouraging your child to enter an organization they don’t know the full truth about.
          When I first joined the USMC I believed this type of talk, but least the adults around me did their job as adults by trying to advise me to do the proper research, and not take everything at face value before committing to a four year contract.
          I sincerely hope that your sons do not die in another pointless conflict- that would a devastating blow to your family.

        • mmafan3 .

          Marine Mom..I and others here served, so we have the right to voice our opinions on the matter. See, myself and the other Men and women on this forum went in headfirst believing the hype. Then, at least for me, I got tired of constantly having to prove myself and be treated with dis- respect, disdain and like utter shit by my superiors AFTER having earned the title “Marine”.

          I didn’t care about boot camp..I knew that would be hard and I respected that. I programmed myself to take whatever was thrown my way.

          I knew one day I could possibly be sent into combat, even for a war I didn’t agree with and be captured and/or killed by a ruthless enemy. I accepted that, but never got the chance to go to war.

          What I couldn’t accept is being treated like dirt by my NCOS, SCNOS and commanding officers who were charged with my safety, growth, morale and well-being as as a Marine and human being. I lived and would have die for the Marine Corps..That’s how far gone I was. I sacrificed personal releationships and even a possible marriage for this orginization, only to get screwed in return. I never asked for special treatment. I just wanted to be part of the team. Semper Fi my ass.. I never felt that. It was more like Semper Fuck You. Granted, there were FEW, and I mean very few superiors I respected, but eventually, they saw the Corps for what it was/still is and left. Now, here I am.

          I thank God as an American and one who did serve, that I cherish the right to free speech, becasue in the military, Esp the Corps, it’s non-existent and you do get punished for expressing your opinion. AH, the irony…I could have lost my life in war but didn’t have the same rights as those who never served do enjoy and even take for granted.

          Oh, and if any dissenters like yourself who come and criticize the creator(s) of this blog and the other Marines here for being soft, scared and afraid to fight, you are wrong. I can tell by the posts here that the men and women would not back down from anyone if the shit hit the fan and neither would I. It just won’t be under the guise of the Marine Corps.

          • tieman

            Well written.
            You took those words outta my mouth.
            I went through boot and came out totally gung ho into the FMF. It was a total let down. Ended up leaving the crotch (do they still call it that?) after one year. Got out on a general dizcharge.

    • mmafan3 .

      I expect my bloodthirsty enemy to do these things and I accept, and going on a limb, respect that. They are trained to hate, kill me and if captured alive, torture and degrade me. I’ll take that from them, but not being fucked with by Sncos and officers in the fleet who are supposed to lead, train and guide me to even be better. Bootcamp, that was expected and even welcomed by me.

  • Pissed off

    To the retards here. Boot camp is NOT a SERE level C course. If you don’t know that that course is (if you do, don’t say shit), you probably shouldn’t reference boot camp with the stuff they do at SERE level C.

    The recruit training regiment made it harder for DIs to weed out recruits without approval from the CO. That’s the fact and now, the USMC is paying for it. The Army has also paid for it too and some of their soldiers made headlines. One recruit kept falling asleep during firewatch and we all got punished for it (yeah our DIs and SDI knows this fucker sleeps on watch). During the Crucible, same thing and he still graduates. Everyone in my platoon wanted that bitch kicked out. He fell asleep on watch on numerous occasions. And the shitty part was that he’s an 0311 and probably will fuck others over. Thank god he didn’t come to my unit.

    Falling asleep on watch violates the Corps Values of honor and commitment. Honor that you are sleeping when you are not suppose to and commitment- you are not committed to your brothers and sisters by keeping a look out for trouble. Yet the USMC recruit training lets these people slide and it pisses me off.

  • R.E.M.F.

    I don’t know why the abused recruits just don’t get together and kick the DI’s asses. You’ve got 70 men against 4 DI’s. It would take all of 2 minutes to straighten these DI’s out.

    Strip those sick DI mother fuckers down to their skivvies and make them “thrash” for YOU! They can’t beat 70 men, they know it. LET THEM KNOW YOU KNOW IT.

    Any real man would defend himself. Just goes to show that the Marine Corps is not “the few… the proud” but is really “the cowards who will not defend themselves.”

    FUCK THE MARINE CORPS… FOREVER.

    • Idiots

      You are an absolute idiot! You realize there are more than just 4 DI’s at the recruiting depot correct? So let’s say the recruits did gang up on the DI’s, how many other DI’s would step up and manhandle the recruits? I would take the 4 DI’s over 70 recruits anyday! As for not defending themselves, what about those soldiers over in Afghanistan and Irag fighting against the Taliban? Are they cowards? No! The real cowards are all you idiots talking a bunch of crap about shit you don’t know, so keep your mouth shut and until you go over seas and fight the battle with em you will never understand what military personnel go through! SEMPER FI till the day I die! OOORAHHH!

      • KnockKnock Freedom Time

        I use this site and absolutely love everything about it. Am I still a coward if I went to Iraq and fought the bad guys?

      • fieldradiohater

        I power leveled an 82 necromancer in diablo 2 when I went to Iraq

      • Older Marine Vet

        I’m going to call R.E.M.F and the person who calls himself idiots both out for being dumb!
        First off, can you show me any time in history where there was a mass rebellion at a basic military training facility? The fact that recruits volunteered to be there, plus the fact that it takes a lot of abuse and mistreatment before human beings finally say “enough’, means that you are unlikely to see such a revolt at any boot camp!
        But on the flip side, 70 intelligent, motivated and determined 18-20 years olds could surely overwhelm 4 DI’s no matter how tough they think they are, but then they would have to deal with the MP’s plus the back up support!! They could take hostages and demand safe passage out, but what then? Unless all the recruit training battalions rise up at once ( a feat that would take a lot of organization and planning!) those initial 70 would face a huge challenge in immediately getting discharged. Nothings impossible though.
        But we are talking about Marine recruits- I was a Marine and went to MCRD San Diego. For every intelligent recruit you have how many outnumbered by ‘rocks’ who joined because they had nothing else going for them? and these are people who are capable of planning a well organized, disciplined breakout of say Parris Island?
        As for what ‘idiots’ wrote, I don’t disrespect deployed soldiers ( MARINES because I know your going shit your pants about that, even though they do exactly the same thing!) but of those deployed how many actually go out and engage in firefights with the enemy, and why are they still in those shitty countries anyway? One of the reason I personally got out was because after going to Iraq, I saw no reason to hate the Iraqis because they didn’t do a damn thing to me personally. I hate the terrorists who killed Americans, but not plain old Iraqis who just wanted be left alone! Do you really think that your being heroic by willfully being a corporate sponsored bully?
        A CONCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR who stands up for what they believe in and refuses to go along with unjust warmongering is not a COWARD either!

  • Older Marine Vet

    I like to use this forum if I may to point out some truths about an old myth that us 1990’s Marines would be familiar with- the use of “stress cards” in Army boot camp.

    I doubt young Marines today would be familiar with this, but I remember being on active duty around 1994 and this rumor circulated- that a recruit could pull out a little stress card and get a ‘time out’ from any abuse or “correctional training”.

    Well, I’ve included this link to reveal the REAL truth about this urban legend:

    http://www.snopes.com/military/stresscards.asp

    but reflecting back on this at the time when we heard it all the Marine Corps did was take this unconfirmed rumor and spin it to form the same old party line- that the other branches of the US Armed Forces were weak and soft, and of course the US Marines were the ‘biggest and badest’ of them all! Doesn’t the Marines always try to do this at the expense of the Army, or anything else regardless of if the information is real TRUE or not?

    Even though I’m older, I’ll leave you with a very relevant quote from the article in the link:
    “Throughout the history of human endeavor, people have looked back to note with satisfaction how things have gone to hell in a hand basket since their glory days, be they bridge players, churchgoers, parents, or soldiers. It’s just human nature.”

    • tieman

      Whoa hold on here!
      I have a friend who went through boot in late 80s and he was the one who told me about theze cards.

      He was a cloze friend and no liar. He didn’t exclude the part about getting out early to avoid war.

  • glenn kresge

    I went to Paris Island in June 1971. I knew the Marine Corps was the hardest of all the Armed Forces-and yes they do hit you-but they can’t eat. And yes we had 9 recruits die in training that summer from heart strokes to heart attacks. It was the hardest thing I every went through! Yes, I was hit on many occasions. The one time that I really felt my self in great harms way was one of the Jr. D.I.’s kept smashing my head up against the bulkhead (wall) for no reason. After, about the fourth time he smashed the back of my head against the wall-I picked him up and threw him out into the middle of the squad bay. he looked shocked! Then the other D.I.s grabbed me and said don’t get yourself into trouble. I stated I have a right to defend myself against an unprovoked attack and bodily harmed. Nothing happened to me-and the Jr. D.I. was removed from training for during by the Sr. D.I.

    • Older marine vet

      I have no doubt you were a Marine during that time period, and your experience is consistent with the time period, but do you have anything more tangible to back up your story?

      Congratulations if you did stand up to a mean spirited DI, but knowing those fuckers they could just as easily ganged up on you, or screwed you with paperwork!

      Also, the death of 9 recruits is pretty substantial- enough to warrant a major i