Update on my case – iHateDIs

Update on my case:

I didn’t want everyone to think I’d jumped ship.  I am still around and reading the posts and stories…quietly observing.

After my interview with the Lt. Colonel (2nd and Congressional Investigation) a couple of weeks ago, I requested and recieved BOTH investigation reports.  Meaning the investigation that occurred while I was still on the island and the current one.

I had already been informed by the LtCol during the current investigation that many/most of my fellow recruits (whom of course have now graduated), had either denied or minimized the abuse I reported.

So I wasn’t exactly blindsided with anything earth-shattering however, I still found it quite disappointing again.

The good news is that many of the ‘denials’ are conflicting in themselves.  Of course, the main offending DI adamantly denied he’d ever stuck anyone with anything OR used profanity whatsoever.  Achem!  Seriously?  He claimed that in regards to the clipboard incident in the head that he might have accidently “brushed” someone with the clipboard when he turned while giving the instruction.  Really?

The even better news is that a Gunny (recruiter) heard rumors about the abuse in my platoon and sat down with his 3 recruits to question them.  He said all 3 immediately dropped their heads and refused to make further eye contact with him.  He said said their body language said a lot and that it was the reaction of someone who has been abused and is ashamed.

It took a some time but he finally got them to start talking.  All 3 wrote detailed reports of the abuse they either observed or experienced personally.  Most of what they wrote about was after my departure.  All 3 admitted they had been or observed fellow recruits being hit, drop-kicked, kicked and other forms of abuse. All 3 were still terrified of retribution.

When asked why they had not reported this the first time or sooner, all 3 said the SDI had warned them that what happened in the squad bay stayed in the squad bay.  They were afraid of retaliation in the form of physical and/or mental abuse as well as possibly being kept from graduating.  One even said that since everyone else was getting hit, kicked or abused in some fashion, he thought it was “normal” and that this was the “way it was in the MOVIES”.

These 3 guys can truly say they ARE the Few and the Proud.  Even if their validations of my allegations came too late for me, they still found the courage to come through at the end of the day.

It is my hope that more will come forward and do the right thing but I really don’t look for that to happen since the LtCol told each one of them that NOW was the time to tell the truth and their prior statements would not be hald against them.  Now, I suppose they could be charged with perjury.

I have not received any notice of the actions to be taken, yet.  I will update everyone as soon as I know anything further.

I also want to especially thank those of you who have been supportive and even those who have not.  Everyone counts in my book.

Submitted by: iHateDIs

UPDATE – 5/2/12

Just dropping by to let everyone know I am STILL waiting on the final outcome/decision on my allegations.  I do know that Washington, DC is now in possession of that decision and is said to be ‘sorting’ through over 300 pages of investigative reports, etc.

I also know, because I have copies of the investigation, that several more recruits, now Marines, have come forward and told the truth about the abuse delivered by the hands of the DI’s.

Once again, I want to thank those of you how have supported me during this time.

Submitted by: iHateDIs

  • Decan45

    It seems blatantly obvious to me that much of what makes the USMC what it is, is its unabashed reputation for breeding toughness and mental fortitude through an indoctrination of masochistic thought patterns. If you’re scared to get wacked with a flimsy clipboard or take a kick to the chest, don’t sign up.

    • Madmike19682003

      while i obviously agree that people who are afraid to take a punch should never join the service much less the marines it is also obvious to anyone who has gone through marine bootcamp that it’s purpose is not to make warriors but to make slaves. i mean seriously if they wanted warriors they would tell you to yell back at di’s and punch them in the jaw if they assault you. how much combat training do you get in bootcamp? very goddamn little and what you do get is conducted in a half assed manner. america does not win it’s wars primarily through tactical skill or “hardness” we do it through superior technology and logistics.

  • Decan45

    It seems blatantly obvious to me that much of what makes the USMC what it is, is its unabashed reputation for breeding toughness and mental fortitude through an indoctrination of masochistic thought patterns. If you’re scared to get wacked with a flimsy clipboard or take a kick to the chest, don’t sign up.

    • Madmike19682003

      while i obviously agree that people who are afraid to take a punch should never join the service much less the marines it is also obvious to anyone who has gone through marine bootcamp that it’s purpose is not to make warriors but to make slaves. i mean seriously if they wanted warriors they would tell you to yell back at di’s and punch them in the jaw if they assault you. how much combat training do you get in bootcamp? very goddamn little and what you do get is conducted in a half assed manner. america does not win it’s wars primarily through tactical skill or “hardness” we do it through superior technology and logistics.

    • swizzlestik

      I’m ihateDis89’s mom and I can assure you he wasn’t ‘scared’ of a damned thing. If he were ‘scared’ then he would not have had the BALLS to take a stand against this piss head they called the ‘heavy’. It takes GUTS/COURAGE to stand up, let alone stand ALONE but he did it and that’s something that was the epitome of honor.

  • ihateDIs89

    Just dropping by to let everyone know I am STILL waiting on the final outcome/decision on my allegations. I do know that Washington, DC is now in possession of that decision and is said to be ‘sorting’ through over 300 pages of investigative reports, etc.

    I also know, because I have copies of the investigation, that several more recruits, now Marines, have come forward and told the truth about the abuse delivered by the hands of the DI’s.

    Once again, I want to thank those of you how have supported me during this time.

  • ihateDIs89

    Just dropping by to let everyone know I am STILL waiting on the final outcome/decision on my allegations. I do know that Washington, DC is now in possession of that decision and is said to be ‘sorting’ through over 300 pages of investigative reports, etc.

    I also know, because I have copies of the investigation, that several more recruits, now Marines, have come forward and told the truth about the abuse delivered by the hands of the DI’s.

    Once again, I want to thank those of you how have supported me during this time.

  • therealist1984

    I have read your story, and I have one question.  Why do you still want to serve?  The marines have showed you what the military is about.  Are you a glutton for punishment?  You have been inside and were lucky to return.  Do not make the same mistake.

  • therealist1984

    I have read your story, and I have one question.  Why do you still want to serve?  The marines have showed you what the military is about.  Are you a glutton for punishment?  You have been inside and were lucky to return.  Do not make the same mistake.

  • swizzlestik

    I’m ihateDis89’s mom and I can assure you he wasn’t ‘scared’ of a damned thing. If he were ‘scared’ then he would not have had the BALLS to take a stand against this piss head they called the ‘heavy’. It takes GUTS/COURAGE to stand up, let alone stand ALONE but he did it and that’s something that was the epitome of honor.

  • swizzlestik

    UPDATE: My son received word from the Marine Corps in D.C. They admitted that his allegations WERE indeed substantiated by others and the ‘proper’ administrative steps were taken to rectify the situation.
    HOWEVER, they still told him he had to go through miles of red-tape-bullshit to get his separation code and re-enlistment code changed…blah, blah, blah. To this I said, “Awww HELL NO!” And everyone knows you never get a southern mom spouting those words…end of story.
    So I get on the phone and call directly to Amos’s office and demanded an appt to see him personally. I related the entire story to a MSgt who assures me that all my infomation (I e-mailed him all of the documentation of both investigations, etc) will be given directly to Amos himself. He asked that I allow him at least two weeks to complete this.
    Two weeks, he has. After that, my son and I will personally be on the steps of Amos’s office if the outcome isn’t conducive to our definition of justice. I’m not blowing smoke out of my ass.
    I’ve done this before in D.C. many years ago, but it was the US Army I took on and WON. So this ain’t my first rodeo wading through military bullshit.
    I can prove this any damned day of the week.
    So stay tuned boys and girls…this should be interesting to say the very least!

  • swizzlestik

    UPDATE: My son received word from the Marine Corps in D.C. They admitted that his allegations WERE indeed substantiated by others and the ‘proper’ administrative steps were taken to rectify the situation.
    HOWEVER, they still told him he had to go through miles of red-tape-bullshit to get his separation code and re-enlistment code changed…blah, blah, blah. To this I said, “Awww HELL NO!” And everyone knows you never get a southern mom spouting those words…end of story.
    So I get on the phone and call directly to Amos’s office and demanded an appt to see him personally. I related the entire story to a MSgt who assures me that all my infomation (I e-mailed him all of the documentation of both investigations, etc) will be given directly to Amos himself. He asked that I allow him at least two weeks to complete this.
    Two weeks, he has. After that, my son and I will personally be on the steps of Amos’s office if the outcome isn’t conducive to our definition of justice. I’m not blowing smoke out of my ass.
    I’ve done this before in D.C. many years ago, but it was the US Army I took on and WON. So this ain’t my first rodeo wading through military bullshit.
    I can prove this any damned day of the week.
    So stay tuned boys and girls…this should be interesting to say the very least!

  • Kevin Winters

    I take great comfort in the knowledge that this boy will never be able to call himself a Marine.

    • freeatlastfreeatlast

      Me too, now he’ll have to go and waste those four years he would have spent cleaning and yelling like a bad ass doing something completely worthless, like college or some gay shit like that. He’ll never get to look back on that time that he just took the abuse submissively, with his head held low like a MAN. Now, for the rest of his life, he’ll know that he stood up for himself like a pussy!

      I’ll bet that twenty years down the road, he’ll look back on this incident with shame as his lifer platoon-mates retire with half rate 401K plans, and no transferable job skills short of over-developed egos and senses of entitlement.

      • Kevin Winters

        Keep thinking that. He is a quitter and that is what he will always be. Unless you are talking about all those losers like:
        Walter Anderson CEO of Parade Publications
        F. Lee Bailey, Attorney
        Glen Bell, Founder and Former CEO of Taco Bell
        Donald Bellisario, TV Producer
        Mike Illitch, Founder Little Ceasars Pizza, Owner Detroit Tigers and Detroit Redwings
        Alfred Lerner, Chairman MBNA
        Robert Lutz, Vice Chairman, General Motors
        Tom Monaghan, CEO Domino’s Pizza
        Bob Parsons, CEO of GoDaddy
        Charles Phillips, President, Oracle Corporation
        Yeah, good thing he didn’t stick with it. He obviously would have been doomed to a life a mediocrity.

        • freeatlastfreeatlast

          Haha, let’s just mosey on over to a fun wikipedia page:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Marines

          Wow! Look at all those folks who did all those things! I’ll bet the fact that they were Marines played the critical factor in ensuring that they succeeded in their endeavors!

          Take F. Lee Bailey, the attorney you mentioned for instance. He’s served on many important cases over the past forty years, and served as one of the key defense lawyers on the O.J Simpson trial. He was also was disbarred for:
          “multiple counts of
          egregious misconduct, including offering false testimony, engaging in
          ex parte communications, violating a client’s confidences, violating two
          federal court orders, and trust account violations, including
          commingling and misappropriation.”
          http://www.mass.gov/obcbbo/8764.htm

          You see, the Marine Corps attracts motivated people through its image of “the hard choice”, “we don’t promise you a rose garden”, “the FEW, the PROUD”. The Marine Corps portrays itself as a challenge to be overcome, a right of passage into manhood, a small elite unit of professionals who are “looking for a few good men”. The problem is that they aren’t any of these things, and the intelligent, motivated people who come to them often leave as soon as they figure that out, and they’ve gotten all they can out of it.

          Walter Anderson CEO of Parade Publications: Served from 1961 to 1966, five years during which he got his GED.

          F. Lee Bailey, Attorney: Served from 1952 to 1956, four years as a pilot and legal officer.

          Glen Bell, Founder and Former CEO of Taco Bell: Served in WWII from 1943 to 1946, three years.

          Donald Bellisario, TV Producer: Served from 1955 to 1959, four years.

          Mike Illitch, Founder Little Ceasars Pizza, Owner Detroit Tigers and Detroit Redwings: Served four years.

          Alfred Lerner, Chairman MBNA: Served as a pilot from 1955 to 1957, TWO years.

          Robert Lutz, Vice Chairman, General Motors: Served from 1954 to 1965 in the Marine Reserve 4th Marine Air Wing. Eleven years as a pilot in the reserves while getting his MBA in marketing with highest honors from UC Berkley, and selling vacuum cleaners on the side to make ends meet. The Marine Corps was a way for him to fly jets on the weekend, help pay for school, and make some extra bucks.

          Tom Monaghan, CEO Domino’s Pizza: Served from 1956 to 1959, three years of mistaken enlistment, he meant to join the Army.

          Bob Parsons, CEO of GoDaddy: After almost failing out of high school, he served from 1969 to 1970. He he was wounded in the Quang Nam province of Vietnam in his second year and was discharged. Returning home, he went to work in a local steel mill. Seeing a life of steel mill work ahead of him, he did some thing he had not yet contemplated, and went to college. He does mention that his experiences in Vietnam matured him, and that makes him a popular topic on Military.com.

          Charles Phillips, President, Oracle Corporation: I’m not sure how long he served, but he served as an information technology officer and got up to Captain. Oddly, he has a BS in computer science from the Air Force Academy.

          I never said that the Marine Corps dooms one to a life of mediocrity. I said that he might find a better use of his time. The Marine Corps didn’t make these men what they were. Experiences form our character, and the experience of standing up for himself and not taking shit lying down can be a very positive influence in this mans life. This “boy” showed guts, and I wish him the best.

          • NINJA_PUNCH

            Well played!

          • USMCFormer

            This a very intelligent and articulate response to that old adage that former Marines who are successful and accomplished in civilian life owe it ALL to the Marine Corps. While the Corps really does strive to instill good values, a solid work ethic, and has honorable intentions, maybe half the reason people get out after one term is because of the terrible lifestyle, overly draconian rules, pointless regulations etc.
            So once they are out they work their tail off in civilian life, because they don’t want to have to go back in the Marine Corps!!

        • S.

          Ah the good ol argument of authority. I can just as easily create a list of marines that ended up being serial killers, or bakers, or an even bigger list of homeless people.

          This is not the way you argue a point guy.

  • Gunny

    So what was the final outcome of all this? Its been 4 years. What happened?

  • MC_Fraud_Waste_&_Abuse

    FLEE Bailey are fucking kidding me?

  • MC_Fraud_Waste_&_Abuse

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

    Try this one you driveling fanatic!

  • MC_Fraud_Waste_&_Abuse

    FLEE Bailey as criminal energy type/sociopath MC leadership loves. Let’s not forget ISIS/IS Czar Gen. Allen as he was caught having cybersex/e-mail sex emailings.