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US Marines: The Ultimate beta Males

This was adapted from a comment made by Idris

While putting up with all the bullshit in the Corps I’ve been simultaneously learning about MGTOW (Men Go Their Own Way) and RedPill (choosing to learn the painful truth, as opposed to BluePill, which is embracing that the matrix is real). In the course of it I’d also learned about this outrageous culture of people choosing to like subordinate lives, and found message boards about how joining the military will “take the wimp out of a man,” and make him strong and proud.
I had to laugh at that, because it’s complete bullshit. It’s propaganda that the military wants to push on society so they think that all the welfare families on base, and the barracks full of idiots are stocked full with great men who will some day lead our nation.
Maybe it was true for a time – up until the Korean War – but shit rolled downhill fast, especially in the USMC. We don’t have strong honorable men leading anything. We have hyper-masculine jag-offs screaming for floors to be buffed and shit to be shined. They are literally polishing turds, almost like the great sculptors of the past didn’t say, “chisel away everything that’s not DAVID or THE THINKER,” but instead said, “see that guy who’s a real piece of shit? Go sign him up for your cause. The one who’s the biggest turd; put him in charge.”
I’ve trained hard in the Corps. That’s not the problem. The problem is that it goes too far in a direction that there is nothing to be gained, like polishing and polishing and polishing that turd. At some point the damn thing needs to just be bagged up and thrown out!
What intrigued me about the whole MGTOW and RedRill concept was that it would talk about men in relationships where they were treated like shit, and then just accepted it. I read about women withholding sex from their men, then going and fucking other men, and thought, ‘that’s what the Corps is like.’ The Corps is seductive when you don’t have it, then it’s fucking you over while seemingly rewarding everyone else. Young, hardworking marines are like cuckolds in D/s relationships. While she’s getting railed in the bathroom at a club, we’re holding her purse. While she flirts with some slack-ass loser in designer jeans that are pre-scuffed, we’re at working overtime to buy the new blinds we’re going to install where we actually end up with a tear in our jeans – our favorite fucking pair!
Do we confront her? Do we say, ‘hey, this is a raw deal?’ Maybe once. And then the group of other cuckolds scalds us. There’s a reason it’s called “the Lance Corporal underground.” It’s because it’s like a pit of despair. It’s like a bucket full of lobsters. One tries to get out, and the others pull him back in. When they yank that stupid bastard down, they turn to one another and say, “don’t let the green grass fool you!” And some of us do get out, but it’s either because they are those unicorn marines who really do rate, or, more likely, because they got plucked out by someone above the the Lance Corporal underground.
The USMC is a cuckolding organization with little boys full of beta tendencies. They think they’re alpha males because they yell and scream and have tattoos, but the whole time they rock that tough macho tantrum, they cowtow and bow down to their girl (the Corps) who is always disrespecting him. The whole group is nothing but followers. They follow orders, which is good, but they follow in every other way, too, right down to the littlest things, and then they sign up for more so that they can have the slight bit of security [the hell they know, versus the hell they don’t] instead of taking control of their own lives.
You know you’re a fucking beta male in the USMC because you go along with mass punishment. Some SNCO rapes a girl in Okinawa, and everyone below that rank pays for it. Just like a beta male. You know you’re a beta male in the USMC because even in your free time you have to address someone by their “superior rank.” You’re at the grocery store off base and see someone. “Good afternoon, Corporal.” “Yes, Corporal.” Like you’re never off duty, because you’re not. Beta males don’t get to rest. They must always do the bidding of their superiors.
It starts on day one in boot camp. Recruits are conditioned to obey, not think. Then when there’s a hazing incident, the comments at the end of the article about it all say that the kid was a pussy because he couldn’t handle by other betas who brag about the beatings they took. They took the beatings, and shut down the legitimacy of the complaints. They took the beatings because they are beta males. They are marines.
This is just like the guy who stands by sexless and pathetic while his wife gets her itch scratched 7 other ways from Sunday, and then someone says, ‘he should have been taking care of his wife, or I wouldn’t have to do it for him.’ He says this never thinking for a second that he could have actually really helped the young man by addressing legitimate concerns that men face while married/in the Corps. That fake-alpha type never actually mans up and teaches the young man/marine how to buck up and take control. Why? Because he’s a product of a system designed to keep the young marines down. He’s a frontline troop working to keep everyone beneath him submissive, and also keeping an eye out for others like himself who have no problem  with fucking someone else over by fucking “his wife,” which is symbolic of his career and sense of worth.
It’s part of the decline of society and the Corps, and they know they are riding a hand basket to hell, and working to take us all down with them. And us? We just take it. Because we’re the ultimate beta males: US Marines.

The Almost Officer: What Marine OCS is like and how I got dropped two weeks from graduation. Part 3 of 4

After writing the first two articles in this series, I realized that my memories from OCS (and the USMC in general) are still pretty vivid. I’m going to hold off my actual experience (what led me to get dropped) until I can disassociate my personal feelings from the article. What I would like to present now are snapshots of different scenarios and people that I encountered in 8 weeks at Quantico. Names have been changed to protect people’s anonymity.

There are multiple “open forums” where leadership scenarios are given to the entire company to discuss how they would act. Since everyone is being evaluated at all times, there is someone in the back taking notes to see who says what. Because of this, candidates are basically expected to spew out moto-bullshit that involves mass punishments. One example went something like this:
LCpl Schmuckatelli is on barracks duty and you, as OOD encounter him while making your rounds. LCpl Schmuckatelli reports his post and you notice him reading an unauthorized book (aka not on the commandant’s reading list). If I remember correctly, I think the book was Jurassic Park. What do you do?

Apparently the correct answer is to NJP the junior Marine. The wrong answer was to ask an entire company of candidates (most of whom had never stood a 24 hour post) if they had ever read a book on the commandant’s reading list. They didn’t seem to understand that reading ‘First to Fight’ would make you ‘First to Sleep’ on duty.

Which brings me to one guy I will never forget, Candidate Ian Reid (fake name). He was constantly on the prowl to correct his fellow candidates (yelling at them for not locking out their legs during flutter kicks or snapping his fingers during formations). He was one of those busy body types who spent most of his time trying to find other people fucking up, rather than minding his own business (this is the type of person that OCS absolutely adores). One thing he used to do, which really infuriated me, was every time a candidate got dropped and their name was called for mail deliveries, he would yell at the top of his lungs, “KIA, GySgt, KIA.” For some weird reason, people liked this shit. I thought it disrespected those Marines who actually died in combat, a role that he as a reservist would probably not see too much of.

The last scenario that I remembered was a platoon “mentorship” session with our commander, Captain Bragan (fake name). I forget the context and the discussion even, but somehow the subject of working parties came up. He said something like: “Use your junior Marines, that’s what they are there for.”

So, if you’re curious about some of the stuff they are teaching junior officers at OCS nowadays, now you know. NJP people for reading the wrong book on duty and junior Marines exist only to be slaves who clean.

Submitted by: Motoboner

Straight Out Of 4th Battalion

This story was submitted by Rebekah Kind, who was extremely motivated to earn the title of Marine as a means of both serving her country, and personally self-actualizing. At the end of this entry is a link to a news article written about her, and a specific Parris Island practice that I can personally attest to having been practiced in 2003.

Following the events of September 11, 2001, I knew I wanted to serve my country. I was not looking for an easy path. The Marine Corps called my name even when I was a young teenager.

When I was finally old enough to join, I told my parents, and they talked me out of it...for a time. In 2016 I realized it was my last chance to join. I was 28 and would only just make the age cutoff. So, against my family's wishes, I joined the DEP.

I was about as motivated as a poolee could be. I went to PT sessions as often as possible, scored a 93 on the ASVAB, and looked forward to becoming an aviation mechanic for the Marines.

To give you an idea of my state of mind, before I shipped off to boot camp a MEPS employee asked me where I wanted to be stationed. I answered, "Wherever the Marine Corps will have me, sir!" Not only was I as patriotic and motivated as could be, but I was honored to be given this incredible opportunity. That is, until I got to Parris Island.

At boot camp I was taught that "Marines never lie, cheat, or steal," even as I witnessed said activity. I got there as a mentally and physically strong person, but soon after my arrival, began a descent into a shell of who I formerly was. I grew thin and sick, which was made even worse when I contracted pneumonia. Upon requesting to go to sick call for the first time - with pneumonia - I was mocked and berated.

This was the worst part, I think - being torn down, then never built back up. In fact, when my dad saw me the day I left Parris Island, he immediately noticed the change. I had gone from being a tough tomboy to someone who was afraid to look people in the eye. Because, on Parris Island, the moment you look someone in the eye you're told not to "eyeball" them. Having adapted to the environment, it only took a couple months of being treated with no dignity for me to lose confidence in myself, or my ability to do anything right, including walk down the sidewalk and cross paths with someone, particularly if they had that funny hat/belt combo.

I only wanted to serve my country as an aviation mechanic. I did not expect to be treated with disgrace and disgust at every turn. If I'd had leaders I could trust, I would have willingly run toward bullets. Instead, I was methodically shredded until there was nothing left to destroy.

Frankly, this is all fairly humiliating, so you might wonder why I would risk telling this story.

Why Am I Doing This?

I have made my experience public in the hopes that other young patriotic recruits will not have to continue to undergo the sort of degradation that I did. I may not have earned the right to say "Semper Fi," but neither does anyone else, because that phrase does not describe the USMC accurately. Always faithful? The Marine Corps has a lot of work to do in order to live up to that ideal.

I will write more about my experiences in boot camp as time permits.

I have nothing but the greatest respect for Marines who live up to the Corps' motto.
Beaufort Gazette article about me

My Thoughts About ‘Former USMC’ Marketing And Corporate BS

“A Marine explains how to lead when you’re not the boss.”

During my time I’ve seen the rise of ‘celebrity’ Navy SEALS, I.E., billy badasses who get off active duty, write books about their experiences, get movie or product endorsements, and generally milk their prior military service to expand their business interests.

Well, former Marines are no different, and in the last 10 years there’s been no shortage of autobiographies, and/or management books that capitalize on the author’s prior military service. Nothing inherently illegal about that, but unfortunately those who have experienced the worst of the Corps would question how valuable of a real world business ‘training’ experience it REALLY IS!

From my last assignment on active duty working with the finances and supply of a Marine Aircraft Group, I can positively attest to the fact that it was NOT EVEN A REMOTELY ORGANIZED OR EFFICENT BUSINESS MODEL! If it was a civilian airline, it wouldn’t stay in business for very long!

But if you get out and are seeking a new career as the next motivational speaker/ modern day Stephen Covey management guru, then I guess you can capitalize on the Corps emphasis on leadership and management.

AS LONG AS YOU DON’T DARE CRITICISE THE MILITARY, you can string together enough open ended human concepts (mixed in with historical philosophical quotes) to put together a book deal, or sell your superficial advice for a corporate consultancy contract ($$$$).

The Marine Corps has a brand logo, a corporate slogan, and a marketing strategy. It puts a huge amount of effort into marketing (propaganda), and it has a vested interest in maintaining an image to secure resources and funding. There’s also no shortage of civilian salesman who play on the ‘former Marine’ status.

Robert T. Kiyosaki– the ultimate hypocrite.

But the Corps NOT a place to learn how to run a business- especially a business or corporate model that must deliver ON TIME at low cost, generate profit, and maximize human capital.

My two cents worth- civilian corporations kiss the ass of the military because the military excels at indoctrinating people into low paid wage slaves- with emphasis on long (uncompensated) hours, blind obedience, low tolerance of individual thought or creativity, and severe penalties for any form of dissent. It really wants a CHEAP, EASILY EXPLOITABLE WORKFORCE.
All the rest is just window dressing BS.

Video: How to lead when you’re not the boss. 

Submitted by: Oldr

The Almost Officer: What Marine OCS is like and how I got dropped two weeks from graduation. Part 2 of 4

At the time that I was selected to OCS, I was married to another Marine. Further complicating matters was that I was selected for ECP, not MECEP. MECEP marines check out of the unit on TAD, while ECP marines PCS out. Because I got PCS orders, I had to terminate my lease with military housing (within a very short amount of time). My ex-wife’s command wanted to move her into their barracks. Thankfully, after a lot of discussion, they allowed us to get her an apartment off base. It was stressful enough being forced to move your family in under a month. It would have been even more stressful to have my young, good looking LCpl wife in a barracks full of horny male Marines from her command. I am not a jealous person, but they had brazenly sexually harassed her at work and even right in front of me. The last thing I wanted was to check out of my unit knowing that a whole command of thirsty fucks was waiting to pounce the minute I left the gate.

As I was checking out/moving, I was also making sure to stay in good shape. I checked into my unit in early 2009 averaging a 297 PFT. By the time I left for OCS, I was running somewhere in the mid-270s. I was stationed at MCAS Yuma, AZ (air wing MOS). It was black flag on most days, and my command was really lazy with PT. In 4 years at my unit, we only did scheduled PT literally a handful of times (like 4-5). Everything PT related was on your “own time.” As a result, most Marines just lifted, if they PT’d at all. I was a dedicated lifter, but ran on my own once or twice a week. While my PFT run time was declining, I was still running circles around 98% of the Marines around me because no one ever PTd. Most people were either fat, extremely out of shape, or both. So, our extremely unsat SNCOs (2nd -3rd class PFT/4-5 ribbons in 13 years) used to routinely counsel people for being out of shape, but would never give anyone time to actually PT. We had to be “at work” for 50-60 hours a week, even if we were not actually doing anything. The only ones who could leave work to PT were those Marines that were on BCP. They got to PT twice a day, three times a week, during working hours. It was a perverse incentive.

The final piece to keep in mind, before I get to OCS itself, is that because I was in avionics, there were no fresh lieutenants out of OCS in our unit. All of our commissioned officers were prior warrant officers who converted to captains as limited duty officers. None of them had any frame of reference for OCS. WOBC (warrant officer training) is a very, very different beast. The few commissioned officers that were actually around who went through OCS went through between 1995-2000. By 2011, when I went, the standards had increased dramatically due to both the draw-down and the recession. So, more people were applying to Marine OCS than ever before due to the bad economy, and the USMC just didn’t need as many bodies. At the time, I did not know this, as I dutifully collected signatures for my checkout sheet with a smile on my face. I was on my way out of a toxic command, and finally on my way to actually being able to lead marines through something more than just a Chinese field day.

By Motoboner

The Almost Officer: What Marine OCS is like and how I got dropped two weeks from graduation. Part 1 of 4

I enlisted with a college degree in 2007.

At the time, I didn’t know any better and took the advice of my recruiter who told me that I would have more respect by going into the Marine Corps the “right way.” Still, I drank the kool-aid and dove head first into the experience. At the time, I was a caricature of the most moto-motard. I PT’d on my free time. On weekends I did MCIs and practiced MCMAP. I rarely went out, and spent most of my weekends field daying my room. No joke. I didn’t want to get in trouble by doing anything that even remotely place me in a situation where I could get burned. In my first year in, I listened to my SNCOs who told me not to get discouraged by my demotivated peers; that they were demotivated because they chose to be. It was their fault that they didn’t give a fuck, if they were not promoted or if they ever got an NJP.
By the time I got back from my second deployment, I knew better. By that point, I had seen enough examples of horrendous leadership that I knew there was no way in fucking hell I was going to re-enlist. Whether it was the Gunny who didn’t allow the paperwork for 10 Marines who I taught and tested out for MCMAP belts to be processed because I taught an “illegal course” (Once our CO got his black belt, he decided that MCMAP was too dangerous so he banned it for everyone else on deployment), or the SSgts who searched our hooches for “contraband” aka porn (which they themselves sometimes gave us) so they could write charge sheets …..the people on this site know the drill. There are too many examples of shit like this to even attempt to list them all.

Still, by the time I hit year 4/5 in my contract I decided to reach down into my cargo pocket for one last bit of motivation. I was going to put in an officer package. In my opinion, there is no way in hell that any enlisted personnel have a legitimate shot at actually taking care of their Marines since most of the time they were just “following orders.” Hell, most of the time it was unchecked SNCOs taking their rank too literally that was the problem. Since my MOS was indefinitely closed, my only chance to try to end this cycle was to literally outrank some of the retarded motherfuckers that I had the displeasure of serving under.

Even though I had more awards, deployments, and training than most of my supervisors (air wing has pathetically low standards), the political nature of life as a junior marine made this task almost unbearable. While I was able to secure more than 10 letters of recommendation, none of them actually came from anyone WITHIN my chain of command. I could not trust any of them, as I saw one of my Gunnys tell a Sgt who was on his way out to list him as a job reference only to brag about purposely giving him a shitty recommendation. So, I was forced to look for people I worked for, under TAD or deployment. Luckily, there were plenty of people willing to write good things, so I wasn’t worried. However, once I started to route paperwork up, things got interesting. I started getting ass-chewings galore for going behind people’s backs and all that happy horse shit about how I don’t respect the chain of command. Some of the senior Marines who did write me recommendations and who happened to also be located close by were called by my OIC to ask why they gave me recommendations.

In the end, the recommendations stuck and I was recommended with enthusiasm by everyone on up to the CG to go to OCS. After four years of continuously striving to better myself but being let down by terrible leadership, I finally felt like the hard work had paid off. When the MARADMIN came out, several SNCOs who made a career out of ruining others came to shake my hand. I just stared at them. I couldn’t outright tell them to go fuck themselves, but this little victory was close enough. I was soon going to outrank them (which was something that any SNCO detests). Or so I thought.

Submitted by: Motoboner

Boot Camp Tips For Females

I have not seen any female submissions so I decided I could write a little story of my own experience in boot camp and the initial process.

Back in 2015 I started the process for joining the Air Force, but I had a mark on my credit for a dental bill I could not pay off and got denied enlistment. The Air Force recruiter then brought me over to the Marine recruiter’s office and basically fed me to the sharks. As soon as I stepped into that office, their eyes lit up and they gave me this big grin. I introduced myself, and immediately I was filling out paperwork. I will say I was pretty intimidated and new to this, but I was desperate after losing my job, failing one class, and almost losing my apartment. I was partially guilty to giving in so easily, but I was also led on by their fast sales talk.

I was supposed to go MEPS the next week or so and I had yet to talk about any MOS or a ship date. I was interviewed by a MSgt, a GySgt, a SSgt, and a female Sgt.  I was so deep into it that I had no choice but to keep going.

I was the only female in good physical shape there and I was gold to them because I didn’t need to be babysat and told to lose weight. Something just didn’t feel right a couple weeks before shipping so I called up an Army buddy and we went to a recruiter in his area. I told him how they were rushing the process and how I still didn’t get an MOS and every time I asked about it I got shut down or was told to come back next week. I told him I wanted out but I felt like I would be punished if I broke the contract. Alas, I went in and told the Marine recruiter I wanted out and he wasn’t having it. I got “talked to” by the Gunny and yelled at as well. I am not going to lie, I was pretty scared and I did not continue with the Army recruiter.

Two days before I shipped, I got a call from the Army recruiter and he said “You don’t have to go. They will knock on your door and tell you that you can go to jail. It is an aggressive recruiting tactic so don’t fall for it.” I told him I was sorry and scared but I had to go.

I finally landed on PI. OK, not that bad so far but I was tired and already regretting my decision. Moment of truth time arrives and half of the females get up. Some we never see again but most come back.

IST, pull-ups and run all passed with flying colors.

The following week, we met our DI’s and that is when I knew it was serious. I of gave one of them attitude. Not on purpose but because I was exhausted. Yeah that went great! She basically followed me around like a hungry stray dog all month. I wanted out! Open contract, BS, getting sick, spat on and pushed around.

I knew that marine boot camp was not supposed to be easy and I am not saying that I could not hang. I did not WANT to hang. I was NOT a marine and never wanted to be. I was there for the wrong reasons and I knew that my lack of motivation would hurt me in the long run. I did my research and tried to get out medically. I was in great shape and I was one of the strongest females so they laughed at me when I asked to see the corpsmen.  I did more research and told them I was depressed. Technically I was depressed. I was not really proud of that being on my medical record but it was better than having mental breakdowns later on and getting out with an OTH or similar. I said I was not suicidal, I was not a Marine and I never wanted  be one. I wanted to go home.

1 month later, I went home. The worst days of my life were in RSP. That was the lowest place I had ever seen. I saw my DI’s and they were more down to earth in real life but still had some loose screws and carried out their dominant personality everywhere except the senior. She impacted me the most. I let her down because she always took me aside and told me I had a lot of potential. Honestly I did not.

I am now free and still trying to figure out what I want in life. I think about that shit everyday. I love our marines and respect what they do but it is not the life for me.

Tips for females if you are shipping:

Do not fall for the hype. We train differently even though they tell you otherwise. Males did have it harder.

Women follow the rules more. They don’t curse or hit you.

You will be taken care of with hygiene and other stuff.

Stay away from gossip.

Help each other and keep your mouth shut.

If your female Marine is getting out, she will be taken care of either way.

There’s a lot of support believe it or not. Stay very professional, productive and honest, if they like you the process will be faster and easier try not to get out with OTH or General.

I hope this helps others.

Submitted by Trump

Nobody Lies, Cheats, or Steals in the Marine Corps

In the Summer of 2003, I was on Parris Island. 1st Bn, CO A.

One platoon stood out as they won all the competitions – initial drill, final drill, written testing, etc. This story takes place around the final written test and prac app. The platoon I was in had scored the highest but lost because Recruit “X” had gotten a 0% on the prac app portion. How did this happen? Well, within earshot of dozens of us, the Senior DI of the championship platoon said to the marine in charge of taking the scores, “I’d really like to make sure my platoon wins this one, too.” It didn’t mean anything to us until “X,” who was not an idiot by any means, was railroaded during the CPR and other prac app exercises. They rushed him, harassed him, and got up in his grill like he was committing the cardinal sin of considering out loud that he might want to go to OCS.

Afterward, word must have gotten around, so there was a pow-wow with the Co. Gunny. We all received the following speech, but at much greater length:

“There’s a lot of doggone talk about people cheating. Well, I’m here to tell you that no one is cheating, so you all need to stop talking about it. At the end of each doggone competition, a trophy is given to the platoon that earns it by winning, but that doggone trophy is returned at the end of the drill cycle, so it’s a trophy that you don’t even get to keep. So if anyone did cheat, it wouldoesn’t not matter. Now, tell me, do you think that someone can be a leader if he runs a four-minute mile and does forty pull-ups, but is a faggot? I say no. Now some of you might not want to hear that, but if you’re a faggot you can’t be a leader.”

And then we were dismissed.

Submitted by Chris Pascale

Rants Of A (Former) Boot Marine

It’s been a while since I have posted here. I mean really, quite a while since I’ve been posting the series “Rants of a Boot Marine.” This will sound like gibberish, but here goes nothing.
The classical Stockholm Syndrome almost got to me. I contemplated of staying in when my mind is always screaming for me to get out. I mean how does this happen? Perhaps because I am now an NCO. Treated somewhat better, actually earned respect because I don’t play fuck fuck games or pull the rank card with junior Marines, and actually decent at my job.
I am not under terrible Sergeants or SNCOs and my OIC seems to be a fantastic individual who approved my Christmas leave before my SNCO had a chance to look at it. I have a package for an aquatic course that’s awaiting the approval of my SNCO before it heads up to the Commanding Officer for his signature before attending the course after coming back from leave. And my Sergeant, while he can be offended by long hair, seems to be a decent individual who will have my back. Not to mention, I’m on standby to possibly go to another country for a decent amount of time on the Corps dime.
However, I am easily reminded from the system of Field Day, Safety Standdowns, and ridiculous inspections that I now am a part of, is the reason to not stay. Everyone in my family after seeing my “success” and wants me to stay but they don’t seem to get it. And while I love my Chain of Command, I also have my own integrity and morale values. I can’t let myself down.
I do not want to go down that path of feeling regret for another 4 to 5 years knowing that I could have a better life.
If anything while I’m not drinking the Kool-Aid of motardism, being in the Marines for the last three years has taught me to beat the system at its own game, or at least making the most out of it, or playing the game at work.
While I know I am not going to live the same way in the outside world, knowing that I can be myself, it sucks sometimes when you find the small patch of green after promotion. I am not saying that it’s easier, now that I’m an NCO. I’ve felt like I’ve been smacked in the balls with a giant workload from the day I got promoted, probably because of a dirtbag Corporal who cannot seem to have his life together. And with that being said, I literally have to pick up the slack for what he misses. It’s like eating horrible leftovers.
When I can, I’ll remind myself here and there by going to this site to remind me of why I will not raise my hand and swear an oath again. If I do have an oath to swear, it’s to swear that I can be successful in the actual world, be paid the worth that I work for, and actually enjoy life.
Submitted by: BrassNecked14

Join The Marines They Said….


The Marine Corps is portrayed as bad ass 24/7 kicking down doors, and partying. They don’t show all the rules and regulations. They don’t tell you that joining to be a machinegunner will log you with more hours behind a lawnmower or as janitor.

You will be expolited at every level , made to do non work related tasks, be massed punished, find yourself repeatedly in situations where either option is going to have negative effects. Example. Trying to go to school, but your SSgt won’t sign off on your TA form because he is a bitter lifer with no education. Then when you tell your officer in charge, he asks the SSgt, so the SSgt lies, or exclaims it just was a miscommunication.

So you end up getting to attend night courses, but know you are on your bosses bad side because you went over his head for something you are entitled too, and something that worthless human being should be reluctant to assist you with after you have accumulated more awards in 2 years of deployments than he has in his sad pathetic 20 years dodging deployments.

Oh yeah the Marine Corps is so much fun, I love having other people who are mad at the world live my life for me. Some guy with $30,000 in debt and 4 kids on his 3rd wife yet he still manages to talk down to you because you forgot to blouse your right boot, while he goes home and gets drunk only looking foward to coming to work the next day pissed off to order you around like a slave and nitpicking at everything you do. Yelling at you for taking initiative. Yelling at you when you ask to many questions, and don’t forget yelling at you when you decide not to ask questions and wait for instructions.

I fell for Full Metal Jacket, and the recruiters pitch. They don’t lie they just don’t tell you about working parties, field day, mass punishment, haircuts, the working weekends, libo briefs, sitting and waiting, working non stop, civilian clothing regulations, curfew, being 21 but only being allowed 6 beers in your room, no girls in your room. The Marine Corps was indeed the worst decision of my life. I am now in college and loving being free. However I still feel robbed of my childhood and it’s my own fault because I never listened. Hopefully you guys can.

Originally posted by Tyler32Ross on 43things.

Let Down From The Start. Boot Camp Criticism Part II



I have quite a few criticisms of USMC bootcamp, but I’ll begin with this one: The training in bootcamp, isn’t good training (excluding PT, because that obviously is a type of training). Bootcamp is mediocre, real training doesn’t start until SOI.

Every Marine is a rifleman right? The USMC is supposed to be an elite FIGHTING organization that wins battles and effectively kills the enemy. Now honestly answer me this, what kind of combat training did we get in bootcamp? No one really comes out as a “killing machine.” We just come out a motivated boot that thinks we’re the shit. Do we even know what to do when we’re being shot at? And don’t mention the bootcamp IED training, that was extremely brief and rushed. What did we get trained to do? Drill? Is drill that important? Do we have marching competitions against Al Qaeda? Is drill more important than being a war fighter? Did we get trained on how to move like cattle from one place to the other while being on a tight schedule?

Sexual harassment classes and classes on how to speak in the workplace. Really? Do we really need to spend valuable training time on things like that? Everyone knows that rape is bad, rapists will still rape even if a class tells them not to. And how to speak/act politely in a workplace, why are we being so politically correct!? Other than PT, we didn’t get that much training. The training should definitely be improved. During WW2, training time was managed much better and focused on important aspects of being a Marine. In WW2, we didn’t have to go to SOI for additional training, unless it was something specialized. Because back then, as soon as you were out of bootcamp, you were a rifleman. WW2 bootcamp was shorter, and they got more training than we do today. They were taught decent fighting skills, unlike the joke we call MCMAP. They shot their rifles a lot; infact the most they did was shoot their rifles. They got tons of shooting practice. How much do we get now? Barely a week!

We could be learning so many valuable things that could make us good riflemen and help us survive combat. We could be learning how to shoot better, how to better react to ambushes. How to set up and ambush. How to attack an enemy position RTR, suppressive fire, etc. We could be learning valuable combat related skills that could save our lives in a war, after all that’s what the USMC is for! Instead, we get mediocre training (again excluding PT, because the PT is decent IMO though many debate that).

Now, a counter argument would be “But they’re just recruits, they’re not disciplined enough to learn combat tactics.” My response to that is that during WW2, and every conflict before that, they were taught combat tactics and they did just fine. Not only that, but in the US, there are private companies that train ordinary civilians and teach them how to survive in firefights and in combat situations. If ordinary “undisciplined” civilians can successfully learn advanced combat tactics in a few days, then so can recruits in bootcamp. The USMC would save so much money and time as well rather than sending Marines to SOI for another few months to learn things they already learned like combat skills in bootcamp. Think of the time it would save in a wartime situation! The Marines would have good training, and they would be ready much quicker.

Another thing about bootcamp, is that the DI’s always say “IF you become a Marine.” As if it were a near impossibility to make it through bootcamp. Everyone who has been though it knows that pretty much anyone can make it as long as they have steadfastness. We’ve all seen shit bags pass despite being the terrorist of the platoon. Actually no, you don’t even need steadfastness to pass, people who try to quit are still forced to go through it. So if it’s such an elite organization, why does it force people to go through it? If someone doesn’t want do be in bootcamp anymore, would you really want that suicidal/depressed person beside you in a war zone? They could end up committing suicide or going AWOL leading to others getting killed (Bergdahl).

Bootcamp should be the time where if someone doesn’t want to be there, they’ll get sent home. So that way the USMC won’t have to worry about someone who doesn’t want to be there and possibly committing suicide or doing something bad. But of course, the USMC is NOT an elite organization ,nor very well organized. They’re just like the Army, as in they want as many troops as possible to fill a quota. The few the proud, the elite? Nope. They could be doing a much better job, but for some reason, actual training and preparation for war isn’t important in the eyes of the USMC. I don’t know why, and I hope that someday, a good leader will make the USMC better and make it live up to its name and legacy.


Submitted by: Martinez

Website Offers Support To Disgruntled And Disillusioned Marines

0x0ss-85-1Published in the October 13, 2013 issue.

Most Marines first visit iHateTheUSMC.com after a bad day on the job.

In fact, said site founder S–, the majority of first-time visitors stumble upon the site simply by typing “I hate the USMC” into Google’s search bar. Once there, they can find other unhappy Marines to commiserate with or, perhaps, some help for whatever problem they’re facing.

“We have people coming on here who say they have issues with hazing, for example, and they want to know what they can do, or trouble where they aren’t getting paid correctly,” said site co-administrator Tyler Ewing. “They know there’s a way to get it fixed, but they don’t know how to get it fixed.”

S– and Ewing are both Marine Corps veterans who identify with the the active-duty guys who visit their site. S–, 25, started the site shortly after he was discharged in 2010 after one term of service. He intended for it to become a low-key discussion board where Marines could complain or vent frustrations to others like them.

Ewing, 23, who got out in July 2012, discovered the site the same way most do — by typing “I hate the USMC” into Google.

“I found it that way and started posting there, and S– eventually brought me into the fold,” he said.

The site remains unsophisticated; while there is a blog portion where S– and Ewing post submitted stories, a hosted Web comic, and a page of funny Marine-specific “memes,” the most popular section is an anonymous message board with thousands of nested comments: one long running conversation. But the site’s traffic has been steadily growing since its start, S– said, and it now receives 30,000-50,000 hits every month.

In a recent exchange, a user explained he was stuck in a lengthy tour on Okinawa, Japan, and wanted to know how to ask for a permanent change of assignment to another location on the island.

Ewing posted a response citing paragraphs and sections of a Marine Corps order specific to the Marine’s situation and advised him to approach his career planner, armed with the applicable rules.

‘I just want to fix it’ A combat engineer who left the Corps as a corporal, Ewing said he discovered his knack for navigating the complex Marine Corps system of orders and regulations while he was still on active duty. He frequently directs users back to Marine Corps source material: chapter and verse of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, location-specific orders, resources that the Marines offer but that troops may not know about. A drop-down “resources” menu on the website includes everything from a link to the Military OneSource counseling hotline to a step-by-step “how to” guide, compiled by Ewing and S–, for getting out of boot camp once you’ve already begun.

Other posters on iHateThe-USMC ask about processing VA claims or how to request mast. Occasionally, prospective Marines will ask for the no-frills truth about joining the Corps.

Sometimes, S– said, these would-be recruits read what users have to say and decide not to join.

“We don’t lie about the Marine Corps; we just don’t sugar-coat it,” he said. And for the record, he said, “I don’t hate the Marine Corps. I just want to fix it. That’s what I do.”

So far, the admins said, they aren’t aware of any official Marine Corps response to their site, though they’ve heard stories of senior enlisted leaders scrolling through anonymously submitted stories in efforts to incriminate subordinates.

Ewing and S– both cited specific moments in their own Marine Corps experience when they began to be disillusioned with the system. For Ewing, it was the day that he was chewed out by a superior for suggesting his unit use a 7-ton to haul a load of sandbags to build a bunker, rather than lugging them by hand. For S–, an artilleryman, it was a busywork exercise in Kuwait, involving lifting heavy weapons, that ended when one Marine was fatally injured. Regardless, S– says he would do his time in the Marines over again; Ewing would not.

The two share some common beliefs about the Corps after their respective tours of service: They believe many Marine units suffer under leaders who feel they’re above the law and let their emotions dictate their decision-making. And they are convinced the Marine Corps needs a cultural change that will make the ranks more accepting of others and de-emphasize the aggressive “macho” ideal.

“You can’t let masculinity be your leadership trait,” S– said.

I Stand Relieved.


I’ve not really seen any real announcement about it so here it goes. It’s time for myself and NINJA_PUNCH to move on. Both of us have important things happening in our lives that simply do not allow us to have the extra time needed to properly lead and manage this community and website.

A while back I asked if anyone would like to step up and start taking over. Master LCpl is that person. Master LCpl has been officially deemed the new leader of this community and has already taken action appointing more mods and making articles. I’ll make sure to keep myself available to everyone here and Master LCpl to offer any advice on how to keep things flowing, however I am officially out of it.

I started this website after I got out in 2010 and it grew larger and more popular than I ever thought it would. The Marine Corps is the cause of the success of this website. Many people like to believe that I caused people to think the way they do about the USMC, but no single person has that power. It would be impossible, no matter what I say or write, to single handedly convince hundreds of thousands of people that the USMC is dysfunctional and needs repair. The USMC causes this website to be popular, and I would love nothing for this website to die out and become nothing but a memory because issues within the organization get resolved. We’ll see if that ever happens. Until then, I will keep this website online, pay the server bills and keep it updated as technology progresses.

– S

How To Be A “GOOD” Marine

One thing that I always hated about the USMC, was that instead of actually trying to be good, they instead try to look like they’re good.

See, in the Marine Corps, it’s a dog and pony show. Looking like you know your shit is better than actually knowing your shit. That’s why uniforms matter so much and perfect uniforms determine how good you are. Nevermind the fact that you have to spend a long time in the field actually doing shit. Being a Marine training, shooting, war fighting makes you a good Marine right? Pfffft of course not, those Infantry guys have dirty uniforms and even put their hands in their pockets, those fucking shitbags!

Another example of this is small, but still a good one: When they make you clean shit. Rather than using disinfectant to you know, clean shit and kill germs, they want you to use your breath to remove the smudge so that way the surface LOOKS clean, rather than actually being clean. Nevermind the fact that you used your nasty ass morning breath that could contaminate the surface and make everyone else sick. That doesn’t matter.

So remember everyone, being a good Marine means looking like you’re a good Marine. Don’t worry about actually being a good Marine, just look good and you’ll be fine. Oh, and don’t put your hands in your pockets you shitbag. If a civilian or someone of another branch sees that, they’ll think less of us (even though they won’t).

Remember being in the USMC means you’re also an attention whore and you need to worry about what others might think. After all, the USMC loves dog and pony shows.


Submitted By: Martinez