If you frequent iHateTheUSMC.com you obviously don’t understand the Marine Corps.

Your comment isn’t going to be deleted because it’s not spam and doesn’t violate opsec. We aren’t in the habit of deleting comments offhand. I have to say though that your assertion that we don’t have an understanding of the Marine Corps is a bit strange, as most of us went through at least one enlistment. I do however agree wholeheartedly that “there is a reason for everything you NCO’s and CO’s do”, what matters then is what those reasons are.

For example, there are “reasons” for why enlisted Marines in Oki are treated like naughty twelve year olds, those reasons just aren’t very good ones. Following the 1995 rape of a 12 year old native girl by a Navy Corpsman and two pathetic Marine hangers-on who later cried racism in their treatment in an Okinawan prison, liberty restrictions began to be put in place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident

Now, the fact that these restrictions really only applied to “junior” enlisted Marines on island could be argued for at this point, the major incident sparking these restrictions was perpetrated by their demographic. Following this, the restriction remained in place and only became a bit worse until 2002, when Marine Major Michael Brown assaulted a bartender:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Brown_Okinawa_assault_incident

With this, those damn “junior” enlisted Marines really started to feel the restrictions. But wait, it was a Major that did it this time, shouldn’t the restrictions now extend and rigorously apply to field grade Marine Officers? Why are the lower enlisted ranks being punished for a crime that wasn’t even perpetrated within their demographic? Well, there’s a reason for this, and it can be summarized in one word: careerism.

When someone fucks up, they’re done, and so is their leadership. As one officer said to me, “when a dog shits on your carpet, do you blame the dog, or his master, the one who trained him?” These incidences add fuel to the fires of the protests against our continued presence on island by the natives; potentially weakening our presence in a strategically critical location. So, when word of these incidences hits the higher levels of command, they demand to know what’s being done about it, and more importantly, who’s to blame for it. When you take command of a unit and have the choice of either trusting your men, which runs the risk of damaging your career, or playing it safe and cracking down on those who can’t do anything about it, the choice is often depressingly clear. The morale and well being of your men come second to the security of your career, oh, I mean of the local populace after all, who could argue with that?

It’s awfully difficult to quantify how well you did at your last unit on your next performance review by citing the number of good Marines you got to re-enlist because you treated them like men. It’s so much easier to cite the lack of incidences under your firm “leadership”. You can’t just go around punishing all field grade Officers though, so what to do? Why, crack down on the Enlisted scum of course! They’re all lazy assed criminals anyway, that’s why they get a medal if they don’t get caught for three years. If they wanted to be treated like people they should have commissioned. It’ll add an extra incentive to get to that next rank, and it’ll be doubly hilarious when they get to that next rank and the restrictions are suddenly and unexpectedly advanced to include their new rank as well.

As to the “10% who will not be happy and who have bad experiences” assertion, let’s check out the average reenlistment rate for the Marine Corps:

https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=716162

Wow, a whopping 35% average reenlistment rate for first timers. And before you spout off the ever available catch-all “the USMC is not for everyone”, oh, too late…Let’s look at the passing rate of USMC boot camp in 1998 and 2006; prior to the flooding of the Marine Corps with 25,000 new members over the course of 3 years with the Grow the Force Initiative beginning in 2007:

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/l/blbasicattrit.htm

What a truly elite organization, with a grueling 88.3% graduation rate, which is higher than either the Navy or Army. How do they manage to keep their standards so incredibly high? Hell, the University of Phoenix online has a lower graduation rate than that. The few the proud? There are currently about 182,000 active duty Marines, the only reason there aren’t more is because the Marine Corps can’t afford them. Without the Marine Corps the US would be a very different place? It sure would! It would be a place with only one Army, two Air Forces, and about $22.7 billion to spend elsewhere. Christ man, I’m begging you, bring up an actual argument that we haven’t heard before and can’t be summarily disproved with a cursory Google search. Or, at the very least, don’t just automatically assume that we’re all shit bags who are crying about our wittle feewings getting hurt by the big bad NCOs. Try actually backing up your claims with a little thing called any fucking evidence at all.

Submitted by: freeatlastfreeatlast in response to:

“It saddens me to see some of you who do not have an understanding of the Marine Corps. The USMC is the best thing that has happened to me. But there is always that 10% who will not be happy and who have bad experiences. It is what you make of it. And there is a reason for everything you NCO’s and CO’s do, again most of the time. The Corps is the most feared military organization in the world and there is only way to make Marines, who can carry on that legacy. If it weren’t for the Corps then the US would be a very different place. I’m a third generation Marine and have my family who are Marines have said they would never of changed anything. The brother hood is undesirable. It’s something you have to experience your self. Now don’t get me wrong the USMC is not for everyone. There is a reason we are THE FEW, THE PROUD! I’m sure this will get deleted by the admin, but it is what it is. SEMPER FI!!”

  • Russell Naylor

    Well The way I see it .and this is More to the reply than the original poster. I spent 3 year 1/1 first engineers detached A co from Pendleton to 29 Palms. I would say I comprendo Marine Corps.
    You train a bunch of boys and men to be guns for hire, you set there appetites loose on the world, and you are surprised when the don’t act like good front row Baptists at a Gospel sing in:)
    Sorry bro. I don’t see the logic. When I got to San Onofre in 73 I would walk into town, i COULD COUNT ON SEEING AT LEAST 2 NEW BOOTS WALKING DOWN THE STREET IN bILLY jACK nAVAHO HATS AND A BLUE JEAN JACKET. AT LEAST THEY HAD THEIR SHOES ON. the usmc GOES OUT OF THEIR WAY TO RECRUIT THESE MENTALLY UNSTABLE INDIVIDUALS. Im sorry guys thats the second times the caps lock got involved and Im not retyping this again. Im lazy.in addition to not understanding the USMC. I spent 3 years in the Marines Barracks ,and Brigs,I was a coach on the rifle range, I drove dump trucks and built roads to nowhere in the Mohave Desert,I stood weekend Firewatch (my logbook entries are classic and I hope they gave some of my bros a grin).
    I served in a different time. 72-75 . But my little brother went in 12 years later and it sounded the same. The USMC was drafting guys when I was in. Yeah! Draftees not volunteers. We had a USMC with 300000 three hundred thousand hard dick Marines in it.after Vietnam lhey cut it to 100,000
    My rant. ya cant train a man like an animal and expect him to function very well in civilization…
    Common Sense! No?

  • Marines are the best. Everyone knows it. We are the last of the “true military,” which Obama hates more than a straight male. Mark my words, no commie liberal president can undo the blood-stripe. This is coming from a terminal Lance there crazy.

    • freeatlastfreeatlast

      The true military is made up of about 70,000 personnel in SOCOM. There are fragments of the real military in the Marines, ie. Recon, SS, some good grunt units here and there. The rest is a festering pool of loud mediocrity overseen by lifers and institutionalized careerists who are looking to get onto Uncle Sam’s tit after twenty or so years of doing something of questionable value and getting their giggles out of fucking with gullible teenagers who are stuck in a contractually obligated low-point in their lives.